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Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 11:07pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Maamin: Okay sir. But I usually advice people, even if you think your position is absolutely right, still try to objectively consider the two (or more) sides of an argument. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by OneJ: 11:17pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
sonofthunder: Pls Read John 8:53,56-58 in different bible translations & get the exact meaning. V58 Before Abraham was born (or before Abraham's existence/ Before Abraham lived ) ,"ego himi on" ,( that is, " I exist" or I had existed" etc. ) |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by ichuka(m): 11:31pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Romans9:5.Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. New Living Translation Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. English Standard Version To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. Berean Study Bible Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen. Berean Literal Bible whose are the patriarchs; and from whom is Christ according to the flesh, being God over all, blessed to the ages. Amen. New American Standard Bible whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen. King James Bible Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Christian Standard Bible The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by OneJ: 11:40pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
sonofthunder: Who did the son instructed U to worship? "For it is written: Worship (Jehovah/Yahweh) your God,and serve HIM alone" Matt4:10. Shalom. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by ichuka(m): 11:41pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Galatains3:19Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20A mediator, however, implies more than one party; "BUT GOD IS ONE" |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by OneJ: 12:10am On Aug 21, 2018 |
ichuka: These Bible translations U put up above , were laced with Trinitarian bias but the New American Standard Bible (NASB) & the King James Bible (for both popular Trinitarian Bibles to give a rendition different from their peers, ) exposes the fraud in the manner that other Bibles rendered the verse.: "Whose are the fathers ,& of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,who is over all,God blessed for ever. Amen". Christ is not God Almighty. The KJB& NASB are very correct. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by Maamin(m): 7:42am On Aug 21, 2018 |
sonofthunder: It has long been considered and done away with. There is but one true God and not three in one. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by Maamin(m): 7:46am On Aug 21, 2018 |
sonofthunder: Yes all those verses are correct, what are you trying to prove with the verses anyway! That Jesus is Yahweh? |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by Maamin(m): 8:10am On Aug 21, 2018 |
sonofthunder: I think you should learn to divide the scripture properly with scripture. John 8:51-59 51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. Now look at verse 53 carefully, the Jews asked him that "Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead:".. they further asked him "whom makest thou thyself?" that is who made him(Jesus). Asking Christ if he is greater than Abraham here simply mean if he existed before Abraham and the dead prophets. Verse 57 further threw more light in what they meant. They misunderstood Christ as to physically exist before even his ancestors. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 9:51am On Aug 21, 2018 |
OneJ:but if I honour the Son, don't I also honour the Father? |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 9:58am On Aug 21, 2018 |
OneJ:You are the only one bringing up exodus 3:14 here... |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 10:02am On Aug 21, 2018 |
OneJ: OneJ: Pls Read John 8:53,56-58 in different bible translations & get the exact meaning. V58 Before Abraham was born (or before Abraham's existence/ Before Abraham lived ) ,"ego himi on" ,( that is, " I exist" or I had existed" etc. ) OneJ: the amplified bible says..... Jesus answered, If I were to glorify Myself (magnify, praise, and honor Myself), I would have no real glory, for My glory would be nothing and worthless. [My honor must come to Me from My Father.] It is My Father Who glorifies Me [Who extols Me, magnifies, and praises Me], of Whom you say that He is your God. What do you understand from it? |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 10:06am On Aug 21, 2018 |
Maamin:I think I lack the idea(s) to properly prove my point to YOU. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 10:06am On Aug 21, 2018 |
Maamin: |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by Maamin(m): 10:55am On Aug 21, 2018 |
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Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by OneJ: 12:12pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
sonofthunder: "The haughtiness of a man will humble him.But whoever is humble in spirit will obtain glory." Prov29:23. Humble yourselves in the eyes of Jehovah & he will exalt you" James 4:10. "Whoever exalts himself will be humbled,& whoever humbles himself will be exalted" Matt 23:12. Jesus humbled himself before His Father & his Father exalted him to a position of glory. Likewise, God Almighty himself will exalt you when U are humble. Jesus is not God Almighty. Jesus has a Father but God Almighty himself (Father of Jesus) has no Father. Shalom. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 12:39pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
OneJ:And what is the usefulness of God glorifying Jesus? Because He's older than Abraham or because He is greater? if the Jews had simply understood Jesus to be saying He was older, they would have left Him for a lunatic but He claimed to be greater than their father Abraham hence they wanted to stone Him for blasphemously equating Himself to God Almighty. How can the Word of a man grant eternal life even if sinless? John 1 says and the Word was with God, and the Word was GOD. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by OneJ: 1:35pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
sonofthunder:The word is not God Almighty himself. " The word (a person) was with the God (another person). "He was with GOD Almighty in the beginning" The word became flesh.... who came from the Father. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD but the only begotten son who is at the Father's side,has made him known. I have seen & I testify that this is the son of God" John 1:1,2,14,18,34. Shalom. |
Re: Five Fact That Shows Jesus Is God. And Most Superior And Influential by sonofthunder: 2:00pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
OneJ:Your first sentence contradicts John chapter 1 |
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