ollah2:


really?

You see how Christian god is directing Chrisitians go destroy countries. He also instructed then to fund terrorist organisations like Al Qeada which turned into ISIS. You see that Christianity is a terrorist religion and organisation.

You might be interested to know the facts that your so called Holy book whic is quran is the most violent religious books in the world. And Islam itself is a violent religion of war from its inception even MOHAMMED himself gives Jihad notions on his dying bed.

(Q2:256) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.
(Q2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
This murderous ayah is PROOF of Allah commanding conversion of pagans by the sword. It should be noted here that Meccans weren't fighting Muhammad: they were merely resisting his authority and/or violating the terms of a treaty: they weren't 'getting with the program', so to speak. Attacking and killing them directly violates the Quranic injunction against fighting except in self defense. And since the goal is to convert or kill pagans, it also violates the Quranic injunction against compulsion in religion. This is an example of abrogation: a later revelation contradicting earlier ones. In essence, the clear, perfect, immutable, inerrant Quran contradicts itself: Allah changed his omniscient mind.

Now, I ask you, which is more likely:

Allah, the perfect embodiment of truth, abrogated his own clear, perfect, immutable, inerrant Quran?
Muhammad, a mere mortal man, needed the doctrine of abrogation to excuse the contradictions that accompanied his transformation of the Hijaz into the world's first Islamic state? He transformed from a persecuted prophet into a persecuting warlord and need the revelation or abrogation () that fit his new circumstances.
Common sense tells us that Muhammad conjured 'revelations' as suited his needs and ascribed them to Allah. Even Aisha teased Muhammad about the convenient timing and content of his 'revelations':

I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.

The remaining citations are added for good measure. Check them out if you like.

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land."

What can be said about that?!? It’s just plain barbaric.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

This revelation comes after Muhammad moved to Medina and was gaining power. Is this a man of peace and tolerance or is this a man bent on forced conversions – despite previous revelations (in Mecca) that claim there should be no coercion in religion?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"

‘Fitna’ is disbelief. This is yet another ayah in which power has gone to Muhammad’s head and prior injunctions for self-defense and no coercion in religion go out the window.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

This comes from one of the last suwar in the Quran. Does this sound like a representative of God to you? Waging war against Allah and His messenger is NOT actual violence and attacks (as in a real war), it’s 'making mischief in the land': disrespecting Allah, Islam, the Quran and/or Muhammad. To this day, such disrespect is all the warrant needed for violent retaliation. Charlie Hebdo, anybody?

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Muhammad is trying to get his followers on board with his plan to raid caravans for camels and booty. The ‘back story’ here is that Muhammad and his followers were impoverished because the possessions they left behind, in Mecca, when they moved to Medina, were confiscated by the Meccans. You can see that the men are, at least initially, reticent to risk their lives (caravans were accompanied by armed fighters, for protection from robbers). Indeed, their first few attempts to raid caravans failed, probably because of their reticence.

Also note that raiding caravans is an offensive, not defensive, operation . . . contrary to what the Quran preaches.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

This is one of the last revelations from Muhammad. Note that believers aren’t being told to fight in self defense. They’re being told to fight unbelievers because they don’t believe (are resisting Islam). Also notice that dhimma (which demands jizya tribute tax) had already been instituted by Muhammad

demmisab85:


You might be interested to know the facts that your so called Holy book whic is quran is the most violent religious books in the world. And Islam itself is a violent religion of war from its inception even MOHAMMED himself gives Jihad notions on his dying bed.

(Q2:256) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.
(Q2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
This murderous ayah is PROOF of Allah commanding conversion of pagans by the sword. It should be noted here that Meccans weren't fighting Muhammad: they were merely resisting his authority and/or violating the terms of a treaty: they weren't 'getting with the program', so to speak. Attacking and killing them directly violates the Quranic injunction against fighting except in self defense. And since the goal is to convert or kill pagans, it also violates the Quranic injunction against compulsion in religion. This is an example of abrogation: a later revelation contradicting earlier ones. In essence, the clear, perfect, immutable, inerrant Quran contradicts itself: Allah changed his omniscient mind.

Now, I ask you, which is more likely:

Allah, the perfect embodiment of truth, abrogated his own clear, perfect, immutable, inerrant Quran?
Muhammad, a mere mortal man, needed the doctrine of abrogation to excuse the contradictions that accompanied his transformation of the Hijaz into the world's first Islamic state? He transformed from a persecuted prophet into a persecuting warlord and need the revelation or abrogation () that fit his new circumstances.
Common sense tells us that Muhammad conjured 'revelations' as suited his needs and ascribed them to Allah. Even Aisha teased Muhammad about the convenient timing and content of his 'revelations':

I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.

The remaining citations are added for good measure. Check them out if you like.

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land."

What can be said about that?!? It’s just plain barbaric.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

This revelation comes after Muhammad moved to Medina and was gaining power. Is this a man of peace and tolerance or is this a man bent on forced conversions – despite previous revelations (in Mecca) that claim there should be no coercion in religion?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"

‘Fitna’ is disbelief. This is yet another ayah in which power has gone to Muhammad’s head and prior injunctions for self-defense and no coercion in religion go out the window.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

This comes from one of the last suwar in the Quran. Does this sound like a representative of God to you? Waging war against Allah and His messenger is NOT actual violence and attacks (as in a real war), it’s 'making mischief in the land': disrespecting Allah, Islam, the Quran and/or Muhammad. To this day, such disrespect is all the warrant needed for violent retaliation. Charlie Hebdo, anybody?

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Muhammad is trying to get his followers on board with his plan to raid caravans for camels and booty. The ‘back story’ here is that Muhammad and his followers were impoverished because the possessions they left behind, in Mecca, when they moved to Medina, were confiscated by the Meccans. You can see that the men are, at least initially, reticent to risk their lives (caravans were accompanied by armed fighters, for protection from robbers). Indeed, their first few attempts to raid caravans failed, probably because of their reticence.

Also note that raiding caravans is an offensive, not defensive, operation . . . contrary to what the Quran preaches.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

This is one of the last revelations from Muhammad. Note that believers aren’t being told to fight in self defense. They’re being told to fight unbelievers because they don’t believe (are resisting Islam). Also notice that dhimma (which demands jizya tribute tax) had already been instituted by Muhammad

It .If It interest you to know that Christianity is the pioneer of terrorism and bigotry. The bible is a terrorist manual and jesus is full of sh*t

ollah2:




It .If It interest you to know that Christianity is the pioneer of terrorism and bigotry. The bible is a terrorist manual and jesus is full of sh*t

Ramblings of an ignorant man.
You cant even prove it.

williamsdon:

Ramblings of an ignorant man.
You cant even prove it.

So the verses I attached aren't prove enough?
The previous images aren't enought too?

Keep deceiving yourself while wallowing in ignorance

cook story

Islam is too beautiful,

we don't force people to Islam but the truth in it, will make you want to join us

it is unislamic to force someone to practice isl

the girl wants to join and you guys said force
whether you like it or not Islam will surely prevail come rain come shine.

every time force
any other religion other than islam are man made created upon piracy.

ollah2:



So the verses I attached aren't prove enough?
The previous images aren't enought too?

Keep deceiving yourself while wallowing in ignorance

Your understanding is so narrow, Islam apologist like yourself can't defend what i wrote earlier with full narrations (that is just a very small fraction of my knowledge of your shithole quran and useless hadiths). All you could do in selfless defence was to rambled and put an image from bible passages without narration. Anyway you are not in my league when It comes to religion arguments, Most of your so called dumb immans have rendered them speechless times without number. Foolish Wahalism doctrine believers.

I grew up in Lagos, amongst Muslims, had them as friends, neighbours.... but I realize that these days, I'm finding it hilarious that I might not be able to actually relate normally or form a good bond with a Muslim when next I meet one.... the fear of the unknown has struck me... could it be because of the unrest that they've supposedly caused in the nation or because I rarely come in contact with Muslims where I'm at

demmisab85:


Your understanding is so narrow, Islam apologist like yourself can't defend what i wrote earlier with full narrations (that is just a very small fraction of my knowledge of your shithole quran and useless hadiths). All you could do in selfless defence was to rambled and put an image from bible passages without narration. Anyway you are not in my league when It comes to religion arguments, Most of your so called dumb immans have rendered them speechless times without number. Foolish Wahalism doctrine believers.

Your understanding is so myopic, Christianity apologist like yourself can't defence what j wrote with full narrations. You need to know that's just a tiny bit of what I know about your devilish religion filled with bigotry and hatred causing terrorism in the whole world which resulted to destruction of countries because your jesus demands for blood always and his christian terrorists had to obey his instructions hence the invasion of Libya, Syria, Iraq et al.

They didn't stop there, they further created terrorist groups, arm them and claim they are fighting them. You should be ashamed of your religion, the same religion that jesus was happy when Cain killed Abel, protected him till he married his sister and blessed him with a city.

The most strangeful thing about this religion is why forcing people to accept if they preach is truth? If you speak the truth the truth speaks for itself and you don't force it.

This was how they came this morning and said thrir prophet is most influential and even Isaac Newton more influential than Jesus what an irony? They lie, love forcing people and love blood shedding a lot.

ollah2:



Your understanding is so myopic, Christianity apologist like yourself can't defence what j wrote with full narrations. You need to know that's just a tiny bit of what I know about your devilish religion filled with bigotry and hatred causing terrorism in the whole world which resulted to destruction of countries because your jesus demands for blood always and his christian terrorists had to obey his instructions hence the invasion of Libya, Syria, Iraq et al.

They didn't stop there, they further created terrorist groups, arm them and claim they are fighting them. You should be ashamed of your religion, the same religion that jesus was happy when Cain killed Abel, protected him till he married his sister and blessed him with a city.

Can you see how idiot you are Very very and very stupid and very idiot. So it's Jesus that caused Syria war? It's Jesus that cause Yemen upheaval? It's Jesus that caused Somalia war? It's Jesus that cause Iraq trouble? Its Jesus that trained Bin Laden? It's Jesus that trained ISIS? It's Jesus that trained Shekau of Boko Haram? It's Jesus that formed Al Shabab? It's Jesus that broke Sudan into two nations and caused civil war? Bro I repeat you are an idiot.

You should be ashame of your religion do you know why? if Jesus as you stupidly claimed can armed you and your fellow fools to be killing each other then you are all fools. Pls just go to hell you are a sore looser that deserve no second chance of existence, a red paint stain on white cloth bollock.

klax:



Can you see how idiot you are Very very and very stupid and very idiot. So it's Jesus that caused Syria war? It's Jesus that cause Yemen upheaval? It's Jesus that caused Somalia war? It's Jesus that cause Iraq trouble? Its Jesus that trained Bin Laden? It's Jesus that trained ISIS? It's Jesus that trained Shekau of Boko Haram? It's Jesus that formed Al Shabab? It's Jesus that broke Sudan into two nations and caused civil war? Bro I repeat you are an idiot.

You should be ashame of your religion do you know why? if Jesus as you stupidly claimed can armed you and your fellow fools to be killing each other then you are all fools. Pls just go to hell you are a sore looser that deserve no second chance of existence, a red paint stain on white cloth bollock.

It's jesus that instructed Bush to destroy Iraq
It's jesus that hihary clinton and her cohorts obeyed to create Al Qeada which turned ISIS to destroy Syria. You see your jesus loves blood so much hence these destruction. It's not new tho, ain't that same way he destroyed cities and countries in the bible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahoK97dot_w




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=warwyTXqt1I

This is the trend here in the north. The Christian girls a forcefully kidnapped & radicalized into their blood sucking religion, were by the write on that their slavery slate & washed to give the girls in other to make them loose their mind & sense then marry them off to the old village heads or any almajiril.yet some useless Christians are still following them cos of longer throat. That once any crisis start, they converts are the first to be killed. God redeem your children from this blood sucking religion

ollah2:



It's jesus that instructed Bush to destroy Iraq
It's jesus that hihary clinton and her cohorts obeyed to create Al Qeada which turned ISIS to destroy Syria. You see your jesus loves blood so much hence these destruction. It's not new tho, ain't that same way he destroyed cities and countries in the bible

Mr problem with your dullard brain is that you are out of defense, all your points are off track and very flimsy. You are a potential terrorist against human race. I just laugh, you keep comparing America with Christianity. Can you see how dull you are ?
If you take America as a Christian country, then what would you say of muslims keep coming to the US and build mosque for worship. when saudi arabia won't tolerate a christian building in their country, i see alot of them here in the US living life they can't even dare in their so called Arab nations. Free is just wonderful. You need to go for rehab and enlightenment and free yourself from the york of warlord you serve or you remain Boko Haram and ISIS footsolider.

bedspread:
It Amazes Me how a Religion of Peace is Forced on People....

It is Well ooooo

As for those who quick to point at the spec in people's eyes for getting about the log in their eye should read this and keep shut:

“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

IbnAbdullah1:





“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

Bros Send this verse to the Those that force Religion change little girls... Maybe they don't know !!

D1zion:
This is the trend here in the north. The Christian girls a forcefully kidnapped & radicalized into their blood sucking religion, were by the write on that their slavery slate & washed to give the girls in other to make them loose their mind & sense then marry them off to the old village heads or any almajiril.yet some useless Christians are still following them cos of longer throat. That once any crisis start, they converts are the first to be killed. God redeem your children from this blood sucking religion

When. you blood sucking colonial masters who brought slavery into Africa in the name of Christianity were buying your lost grand great uncle with a piece mirror by your white British colonial masters Christianity was the love bride of humanity.
What I am simply saying is, if we go that way of pulling every wrong act by some group of disgruntled ignorant Muslims which is not sanctioned in our religious book I will waste no time in putting a sellotape on your mouth.

Racoon:


From the religion of paedophiles,pussy & virgin hunters. And people are adherents of this satanic cult called faith?

Look at the pot calling kettle black.
Christianity have produced the most immoral and lying murderous cheats in this world yet you open that gutter you call a mouth to insult over a billion plus adherents who have little or nothing to do with this nonsense.
My Qur'aan tells me:

“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

But if you are too blinded by your bigotry to accept this, you may as well go bang your head on concrete wall for all I care.

bedspread:
Bros Send this verse to the Those that force Religion change little girls... Maybe they don't know !!

If they don't know why blame their ignorant acts on the religion?

You like dishing it out to make Islaam and innocent Muslims look wicked whereas in your hearts of hearts you have lived with Muslims who don't do most of the preposterous claims you make.
God save us if these are the kind if lying Christians we confront every other day on Nairaland then I am sorry to say that you have really proved how false your faith is.

IbnAbdullah1:



If they don't know why blame their ignorant acts on the religion?

You like dishing it out to make Islaam and innocent Muslims look wicked whereas in your hearts of hearts you have lived with Muslims who don't do most of the preposterous claims you make.
God save us if these are the kind if lying Christians we confront every other day on Nairaland then I am sorry to say that you have really proved how false your faith is.

ok.... Am Sorry for Generalizing... but a whole lot needs to be done cos it's becoming Rampant

IbnAbdullah1:





“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)
.

(Q2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

What would islam apologist like you say of this huge contradictions in your holy holy, its encourages more of compulsion.

What a sad story!
The govt. should mandate the exam. body to conduct a special JSSCE exams for her,
as well as give her some financial assistance to ginger her spirits and speed up the rehabilitation process.

demmisab85:


(Q2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

What would islam apologist like you say of this huge contradictions in your holy holy, its encourages more of compulsion.

Hahahahahahahah...
When people like think 'yes! I I have finally got him' he horribly forgets that if this is what the Qur'aan commands us to do without CONTEXTUAL UNDERSTANDING of these verses it means the world would have been in smoke a thousand year ago when Muslims had the authority to do so.

All those verse where revealed in different battles fought by Muslims against the Arab Idalotors and trangressior at different times.
There is what you call sabaab nuzool in understood. the Qur'aan which means the reason behind the revelation if a verse otherwise you make a mockery of yourself thinking that the Qur'aan commands u s to shed people's blood like blood thirsty carnivores.
Alla these were for reasons to war against oppressors hence the call for the Muslims to be brave and fight and not run away like cowards.

I can quite to your verses from your 'Holy' bible that is even more Brutal and with zero compassion.

There you have it.
Since you started this whole gutter thing let's go there!
And please as you read take note of the words in capital letters.


2 Kings 2:23-24
He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and MAULED forty-two of the boys . (NRSV)


Exodus 32:27-29
Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each KILLING his brother and friend and neighbor .' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers , and he has blessed you this day."(NIV)


2 Chronicles 25:12
The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and THREW them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces .(NASB)

Judges 12:5-6
Then the Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. Whenever one of the fugitives of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead would say to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” When he said, “No” they said to him, “Then say Shibboleth” and he said, “Sibboleth,” for he could not pronounce it right. Then they seized him and KILLED him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand of the Ephraimites fell at that time. (NRSV)

1 Kings 20:28-30
Then a man of God came and spoke to the king of Israel, and said, “Thus says the LORD: 'Because the Syrians have said, “The LORD is God of the hills, but He is not God of the valleys ,” therefore I will deliver all this great multitude into your hand, and you shall know that I am the LORD.’” And they encamped opposite each other for seven days.
So it was that on the seventh day the battle was joined; and the children of Israel KILLED one hundred thousand foot soldiers of the Syrians in one day. But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; then a wall fell on twenty-seven thousand of the men who were left. (NKJV)

Joshua 8:24-26
When the Israelite army finished chasing and KILLING all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and
women , was WIPED out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until
everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed . (NLT)

Deuteronomy 2:32-34
Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we SMOTE him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones ; we left none remaining. (ASV)

Deuteronomy 3:3-6
So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city . (NASB)

1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys .' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword .(NIV)

Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open .

IbnAbdullah1:



Hahahahahahahah...
When people like think 'yes! I I have finally got him' he horribly forgets that if this is what the Qur'aan commands us to do without CONTEXTUAL UNDERSTANDING of these verses it means the world would have been in smoke a thousand year ago when Muslims had the authority to do so.

All those verse where revealed in different battles fought by Muslims against the Arab Idalotors and trangressior at different times.
There is what you call sabaab nuzool in understood. the Qur'aan which means the reason behind the revelation if a verse otherwise you make a mockery of yourself thinking that the Qur'aan commands u s to shed people's blood like blood thirsty carnivores.
Alla these were for reasons to war against oppressors hence the call for the Muslims to be brave and fight and not run away like cowards.

Am happy from all the bible verses you cited, you never mentioned any barbaric deeds by Jesus christ(who is the foundation of christainity) unlike Mohammed dirty and barbaric deeds. Mohammed himself aacknoledges Jesus christ but in a way to suits himself.
Talkin about which CONTECTUAL UNDERSTANDING of my earlier mentioned verses of your quran, and you forgot that mohammed was a warlord rather than claimed prophets, he fought battles, waged wars on innocent cities, took slaves, married peoples wives (Including his adopted son's), killed followers that are not loyal to him and the list continues.... it seems you forgot somethings about your Quran.
That the Quran has no narrative, No stories, Although many characters and events are 'borrowed' from the holy Bible, it's nothing like the Bible in literary style. The Quran is (allegedly) 100% revelations from Allah. It tells no story. It preaches. It's not even compiled in chronological order but, rather, longer suwar are arranged first, then shorter suwar (roughly speaking). How do you have a narrative without a coherent timeline? You must have read a version of the Quran I've never heard of before.
Much of the Quran needs to be cross-referenced with ahadith in order to understand its context and make sense of what you’re reading. I'll be dealing withCONTECTUAL UNDERSTANDING often-cited admonitions repeated frequently by apologists for Islam:

(Q2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
These admonitions are invoked by apologists to support the claim that, despite abundant evidence to the contrary, Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

Sura 9 (At-Tawbah) was revealed a year after Muhammad had taken control of Mecca. It starts off as a declaration of disassociation from those pagan Meccans who had not complied with the surrender treaty. The beginning ayat of this sura are actually about announcing and justifying the establishment of the first Islamic state (in the Hijaz region of Arabia). It covers everything -- from the prior violation of treaties, to admonishing Muhammad's followers not to fear the approaching violent conflict. Sura 9 was read to the Meccans in public places to inform them that they had only a little time to get their affairs in order and seek safe shelter outside the Hijaz. If they choose to stay, they would have to convert to Islam or else be attacked and killed (or imprisoned).

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

In this ayah, a revelation from Allah is clearly planning future attacks to take place after the end of a 4-month truce ('the sacred months'). This is not counseling self-defense in any way, shape, or form. Period. It's giving specific orders to kill recalcitrant pagans ('idolaters') wherever they are found and to ambush, assault and imprison them. To summarize this in one sentence: “Make sure to convert or kill any recalcitrant pagans but, if they've truly converted (‘keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate[zakat]’), then leave them alone.”

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land."

What can be said about that?!? It’s just plain barbaric.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

This revelation comes after Muhammad moved to Medina and was gaining power. Is this a man of peace and tolerance or is this a man bent on forced conversions – despite previous revelations (in Mecca) that claim there should be no coercion in religion?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"

‘Fitna’ is disbelief. This is yet another ayah in which power has gone to Muhammad’s head and prior injunctions for self-defense and no coercion in religion go out the window.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

This comes from one of the last suwar in the Quran. Does this sound like a representative of God to you? Waging war against Allah and His messenger is NOT actual violence and attacks (as in a real war), it’s 'making mischief in the land': disrespecting Allah, Islam, the Quran and/or Muhammad. To this day, such disrespect is all the warrant needed for violent retaliation. Charlie Hebdo, anybody?

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Muhammad is trying to get his followers on board with his plan to raid caravans for camels and booty. The ‘back story’ here is that Muhammad and his followers were impoverished because the possessions they left behind, in Mecca, when they moved to Medina, were confiscated by the Meccans. You can see that the men are, at least initially, reticent to risk their lives (caravans were accompanied by armed fighters, for protection from robbers). Indeed, their first few attempts to raid caravans failed, probably because of their reticence.

From all the verses i cited for you with their CONTEXTUAL UNDERSTNDING which is the basis of your arguements, it shows Mohammed was not at war at those times. he waged wars and to gain other peoples cites and have followers and extaly what the barbaric fulani herdsmen are doing and Boko Haram and ISIS. raising black flags all over the middles east and some parts of Africa and recruiting teenergers and grown up people. Where does these islamist terrorist sects drawn their believes from? They are even more knowledgeable in quaranic than common muslims clerics in the world. I dont have problems with Muslims, I Just dislike Islam Ideology which has gotten into extremist muslims head.
For your Information i was once a muslim but not anymore, am now in the light..Salam Brother.

demmisab85:


Mr problem with your dullard brain is that you are out of defense, all your points are off track and very flimsy. You are a potential terrorist against human race. I just laugh, you keep comparing America with Christianity. Can you see how dull you are ?
If you take America as a Christian country, then what would you say of muslims keep coming to the US and build mosque for worship. when saudi arabia won't tolerate a christian building in their country, i see alot of them here in the US living life they can't even dare in their so called Arab nations. Free is just wonderful. You need to go for rehab and enlightenment and free yourself from the york of warlord you serve or you remain Boko Haram and ISIS footsolider.

You are a dunce, terrorist and hypocrite. You are one of those that believes Chrisitainity is clean and Christians are saints while others are devils. In your minds, heaven is for you only because god is a christian.


The highest number of terrorism in the US is carried out by christian terrorists. They have done far worse things than anybody combined. But you will claim victim whilst attacking other faith particularly Islam because that's the religion disputing your world domination.

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/dark-constant-rage-25-years-of-right-wing-terrorism-in-united-states

The person that needs rehab is a close minded,bigoted, sentiment hypocrite like you.

demmisab85:


Am happy from all the bible verses you cited, you never mentioned any barbaric deeds by Jesus christ(who is the foundation of christainity) unlike Mohammed dirty and barbaric deeds. Mohammed himself aacknoledges Jesus christ but in a way to suits himself.
Talkin about which CONTECTUAL UNDERSTANDING of my earlier mentioned verses of your quran, and you forgot that mohammed was a warlord rather than claimed prophets, he fought battles, waged wars on innocent cities, took slaves, married peoples wives (Including his adopted son's), killed followers that are not loyal to him and the list continues.... it seems you forgot somethings about your Quran.
That the Quran has no narrative, No stories, Although many characters and events are 'borrowed' from the holy Bible, it's nothing like the Bible in literary style. The Quran is (allegedly) 100% revelations from Allah. It tells no story. It preaches. It's not even compiled in chronological order but, rather, longer suwar are arranged first, then shorter suwar (roughly speaking). How do you have a narrative without a coherent timeline? You must have read a version of the Quran I've never heard of before.
Much of the Quran needs to be cross-referenced with ahadith in order to understand its context and make sense of what you’re reading. I'll be dealing withCONTECTUAL UNDERSTANDING often-cited admonitions repeated frequently by apologists for Islam:

(Q2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
These admonitions are invoked by apologists to support the claim that, despite abundant evidence to the contrary, Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

Sura 9 (At-Tawbah) was revealed a year after Muhammad had taken control of Mecca. It starts off as a declaration of disassociation from those pagan Meccans who had not complied with the surrender treaty. The beginning ayat of this sura are actually about announcing and justifying the establishment of the first Islamic state (in the Hijaz region of Arabia). It covers everything -- from the prior violation of treaties, to admonishing Muhammad's followers not to fear the approaching violent conflict. Sura 9 was read to the Meccans in public places to inform them that they had only a little time to get their affairs in order and seek safe shelter outside the Hijaz. If they choose to stay, they would have to convert to Islam or else be attacked and killed (or imprisoned).

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

In this ayah, a revelation from Allah is clearly planning future attacks to take place after the end of a 4-month truce ('the sacred months'). This is not counseling self-defense in any way, shape, or form. Period. It's giving specific orders to kill recalcitrant pagans ('idolaters') wherever they are found and to ambush, assault and imprison them. To summarize this in one sentence: “Make sure to convert or kill any recalcitrant pagans but, if they've truly converted (‘keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate[zakat]’), then leave them alone.”

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land."

What can be said about that?!? It’s just plain barbaric.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

This revelation comes after Muhammad moved to Medina and was gaining power. Is this a man of peace and tolerance or is this a man bent on forced conversions – despite previous revelations (in Mecca) that claim there should be no coercion in religion?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"

‘Fitna’ is disbelief. This is yet another ayah in which power has gone to Muhammad’s head and prior injunctions for self-defense and no coercion in religion go out the window.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

This comes from one of the last suwar in the Quran. Does this sound like a representative of God to you? Waging war against Allah and His messenger is NOT actual violence and attacks (as in a real war), it’s 'making mischief in the land': disrespecting Allah, Islam, the Quran and/or Muhammad. To this day, such disrespect is all the warrant needed for violent retaliation. Charlie Hebdo, anybody?

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Muhammad is trying to get his followers on board with his plan to raid caravans for camels and booty. The ‘back story’ here is that Muhammad and his followers were impoverished because the possessions they left behind, in Mecca, when they moved to Medina, were confiscated by the Meccans. You can see that the men are, at least initially, reticent to risk their lives (caravans were accompanied by armed fighters, for protection from robbers). Indeed, their first few attempts to raid caravans failed, probably because of their reticence.

From all the verses i cited for you with their CONTEXTUAL UNDERSTNDING which is the basis of your arguements, it shows Mohammed was not at war at those times. he waged wars and to gain other peoples cites and have followers and extaly what the barbaric fulani herdsmen are doing and Boko Haram and ISIS. raising black flags all over the middles east and some parts of Africa and recruiting teenergers and grown up people. Where does these islamist terrorist sects drawn their believes from? They are even more knowledgeable in quaranic than common muslims clerics in the world. I dont have problems with Muslims, I Just dislike Islam Ideology which has gotten into extremist muslims head.
For your Information i was once a muslim but not anymore, am now in the light..Salam Brother.

It's funny when hypocrites and sentimental folks like you attack Muhammed but exonerate Moses, David, Solomon et al. It's funny when you attack Muhammed but exonerate Jesus who instructed the destruction of cities, protected rapist, paedophiles, those who practiced fraticide and incestation, gave him a city but ordered the deaths of people who didn't believe in him, proceed by telling slaves to always obey their masters yet he is the saint you guys worship. I spit in your lost souls.


I was once a christian and dropped that darkness for LIGHT. I'm damn glad I made that decision else I would have been an extremist, bigot, hypocrite, phedophile et al. Shalom brother