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Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 1:56am On Nov 12, 2018
ivysunday:

Buddha Sakyamuni said that all humans are equal, and we are future buddha. If you know the origin of human beings and the transmigration of Life, you will know you can be celestial being someday if you like.
Translation into Christianese

Know that ye are gods!
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 3:40am On Nov 14, 2018
budaatum:

Translation into Christianese

Know that ye are gods!
What do you think of below article?

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Religion Will Disappear: On Lifechanyuan Era (3)



Deiform Celestial


Religion is a kind of knowledge exploring the relation between human and nature and is a kind of knowledge about life; it is an ideological theory framework helping people to establish the correct view of world, view of live, view of life and view of value; it is a bridge that guides people to move from the material world to nonmaterial world; and it is an efficient way to establish belief and enlighten mind power.

The essence of religion is to maintain the inner silence and the world peace, to help life move from this shore to another. The starting point of all the religions is kind-hearted; the limitation and discrepancy of human recognition result in countless doctrines which are difficult to justify themselves and result in the birth of countless religious sects and factions; on the other hand, the different religious sects and factions are not only unfavorable to the world peace but become a major factor of the turbulent world.

With the existing of religions, human beings will never share peace and tranquility.

The birth of different religious sects is very natural and everything will experience the birth, development, expansion, and then declination and death. Religion is of no exception.

Religion has made great contribution to the inherence of civilization in history; however, with the gradually deepening recognition on the natural law, people find the religion has become fetters and handcuffs which are used to constrain human thinking; without breaking down the superstition of religion, the civilization of humans can not move forward and human beings can never enter into the new era.

There are eight shortcomings in the existing religions.

1. Ignorant to life and unclear about the road to Heaven

What is life? Where is the Heaven? How can one go to the Heaven? The existing religions are confused about this.

2. Making people feel terror, fettering human thinking

Without the concrete time and rescuing channel, religions create the eschatology to terrify people indefinitely. Religions restrict people to explore freely and persuade people to give up enjoyment in this life, which delays people's research and exploration on the essence of life.

3. Overweening and autocratic

Any religious sects or factions who regard themselves as the only correct one and others are all heresy; all religions are plotting to control mankind. They are narrow-minded and unwilling to communicate with other sects or learn from others.

4. Suppressing human nature and fettering human spirit

A series of canons, doctrines and commandments are the ropes to fetter human thinking, and most of them work to suppress human nature and fetter human spirit.

5. All religions run counter to the Tao of the Greatest Creator

What is the true essence of human life? What is the value and meaning of human life? All religions fail to spell out and speak clearly.

6. Suppressing the new emerging forces and destroying the elite of human being.

Such as the Christianity regarded "the witness of Jehovah" as heresy and burned Bruno to death.

7. Creating contradiction and stirring up war

All religions can not tolerate different opinions and would rather create contradiction and stir up war in order to maintain their own benefits.

8. Wasting manpower and material resources and creating the religious superstition

Religions build up temples and churches everywhere and call on people to worship idols, offer up a sacrifice by killing, hold crazy activities, which have harassed the people's mind and nature's peace and tranquility, hindered the natural activities of mankind and led people into the religious superstition.

It is difficult to estimate the good effect of religion, nor its bad effect. Religion has become the obstacle for the progress of human civilization. Human should move towards unification; however, religion is unwilling to do so; one can imagine: is Christianism willing to give up all its own doctrine to accept that of Islam? Is Islam willing to give up all its own doctrine to accept that of Hinduism? Is Hinduism willing to give up all its doctrine to accept that of Buddhism? Is Buddhism willing to give up all its doctrine to accept that of Christianism? They will not and these four big religions will safeguard their own doctrine. In this way, how can the world move towards unification? Can the world be peaceful?

The only way is to unify all doctrines into one and unify all religions into one. Everyone follows the path of the Greatest Creator.

In the Lifechanyuan era, all founders of religions such as Jesus, Sakyamuni, Mohammed, LaoTzu, etc. and all the people whose sermons causing the birth of different religious sects and factions will receive respects and honors, but any one of these sermons can not become the only correct theory. People will not fanatically worship their own hierarch. There are not any religious sects in the world and the whole people will not worship any idols or go to any churches or prostrate oneself in worship but revere the Greatest Creator, life, Nature and follow the way of the Greatest Creator. Everyone shares the maximum freedom in thought, spirit and human life.

With the development of science and the continuous liberation of human spirit, the value view and the world view of people also change constantly. We used to think that the religious believers are elegant, self-control, civilized and noble, who are armed with faith, aspiration and ideal; and now we gradually realize that the religious believers are stubborn, obsessed, perverse, emotional, simple-minded and short of reason and forgiveness; if you obey their religious doctrine and rules, they would be kind with pleasant countenance; if you propose different opinion and ideas, they would be out of reason and become very terrible with an angry face.

The future mankind will enter into Lifechanyuan era; and any religions have to overturn the values of Lifechanyuan if they want to exist, otherwise you have to give up your own religious belief; certainly you can stick stubbornly to your own belief and no one can control you. People in the end can do nothing but laugh at you, pity you and feel sorry for you.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 4:22am On Nov 14, 2018
ivysunday:
The only way is to unify all doctrines into one and unify all religions into one. Everyone follows the path of the Greatest Creator.
The first paragraph states an impossibility. Religions, and doctrines, are the subjective expressions of individuals and a means to achieve their goals. All subjects cannot have the same goals nor can they adopt the same doctrines. And by doctrines, I am including scientific knowledge. You went on to say what could mean exactly that by the statement below.

ivysunday:
With the development of science and the continuous liberation of human spirit, the value view and the world view of people also change constantly.
Not only is there change over time, but also by location.

And then there is the fact that some humans will use knowledge to enslave others. This is clearly shown in Genesis where Yahweh is said to have enslaved Adam and Eve.

The rest of it is just one more religious ideology added to the pot of religions. And we atheists do not do "Creationism".
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 2:02am On Nov 22, 2018
budaatum:

The first paragraph states an impossibility. Religions, and doctrines, are the subjective expressions of individuals and a means to achieve their goals. All subjects cannot have the same goals nor can they adopt the same doctrines. And by doctrines, I am including scientific knowledge. You went on to say what could mean exactly that by the statement below.


Not only is there change over time, but also by location.

And then there is the fact that some humans will use knowledge to enslave others. This is clearly shown in Genesis where Yahweh is said to have enslaved Adam and Eve.

The rest of it is just one more religious ideology added to the pot of religions. And we atheists do not do "Creationism".
Atheists believe in the evolutionism and the jungle rules. You don't believe in the Greatest Creator but you call his name when facing great danger.
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The Greatest Creator actually does not have a name. Human beings have given some names to the Greatest Creator for him to be easily identified. The Christians call him Jehovah. The Muslims call him Allah. The Buddhists call him the Ancestor of Buddha. The Taoists call him the Original Heaven Ancestor. Some people also call him the Creator, Imperial Heaven, Heaven, Emperor Heaven, Indian Heaven, etc. Some even call him the Elderly Heaven Lord. In fact, these names are all right. Only if we have the sole and only, amorphous, neutral, mysterious, supremely powerful, wise, impartial and merciful Greatest Creator in our heart, it is acceptable no matter what name we give him.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 1:26pm On Nov 22, 2018
ivysunday:

Atheists believe in the evolutionism and the jungle rules. You don't believe in the Greatest Creator but you call his name when facing great danger.
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One thing most atheists find obnoxious about so called believers is their inability to accept the evidence before their eyes. Just you consider what you wrote above. Surely if atheists 'believe' in 'jungle rules', they'd find in difficult to obey the rules of decent society or even the rules of the language they write in and gibberish sentence likely write would in time every, but I'm very certain you would just not make up an idea of what atheists are like without considering the evidence before very own eye's your's!

The pity is when those who think they promote peace base it on everyone thinking, reasoning or believing the same thing without avoiding making enemies of those who disagree with them. The greater pity is when observed evidence is disregarded and substituted with demonisation of the so called enemy to justify the hatred.

But if If evidence does matter to you, heres is at least one thread where we have attempted to state What Atheism Is, if the evidence before you does not already show that atheism does not mean "jungle rule" as you seem to believe it does.

As to your "evolutionism". It just shows how much you know.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 1:57am On Nov 23, 2018
budaatum:

One thing most atheists find obnoxious about so called believers is their inability to accept the evidence before their eyes. Just you consider what you wrote above. Surely if atheists 'believe' in 'jungle rules', they'd find in difficult to obey the rules of decent society or even the rules of the language they write in and gibberish sentence likely write would in time every, but I'm very certain you would just not make up an idea of what atheists are like without considering the evidence before very own eye's your's!

The pity is when those who think they promote peace base it on everyone thinking, reasoning or believing the same thing without avoiding making enemies of those who disagree with them. The greater pity is when observed evidence is disregarded and substituted with demonisation of the so called enemy to justify the hatred.

But if If evidence does matter to you, heres is at least one thread where we have attempted to state What Atheism Is, if the evidence before you does not already show that atheism does not mean "jungle rule" as you seem to believe it does.

As to your "evolutionism". It just shows how much you know.
Ok, I apologize for my ignorance. Please do teach me what you believe.
And below article may be useful to our understanding of each other.
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Science and Civilization




Religion goes hand in hand with fatuity, while science keeps abreast with civilization.

Science is the activity and knowledge to understand, explore, and interpret the laws of nature, human society, and thinking.

Civilization is a voluntary behavior of man formed on the basis of the correct understanding of material world and nonmaterial world.

Without the development and progress of science, civilization is only an extravagant hope.

The symbol for real civilization is: no slightest conflict between man and man, man and society, and man and nature, and the sustained harmony without the regulations of laws and without the mechanisms of supervision.

For example, how do we dispose of the banana peel after eating a banana on the bus? The uncivilized behavior is to throw it out of the window. We only keep a clean place for ourselves and do not care about the inconvenience to others caused by the banana peel thrown out of the window. The less uncivilized behavior is to place the banana peel under the seat and leave the bus. The civilized behavior is to take the banana peel away and throw it into the dustbin.

For another example, suppose an automatic newsagent stand is set up by a road with a large flow of pedestrians, each newspaper sells for one dollar, and beside the pile of newspaper is placed a money box, from which buyers can get the changes of his money. In this situation, the civilized person would willingly place the money into the money box and take away the changesand then fetch a newspaper from the top of the pile of newspaper. The less uncivilized person would also place the money into the box, but would fumble through the box for the cleaner and tidier changes and would not take the newspaper directly from the top of the pile but takes one from the middle of the pile. The uncivilized person would trickly pick newspaper from the pile when seeing no one around and would take one or even two newspaper without paying money, thinking “It does not make any difference whether I take one for free or not”. He would not consider other consequences. He would not pay attention to the losses sustained to the owner of the newspaper. For those who do not pay for the newspaper and worse still pick money from the box, this is not a matter of being civilized or not, but a matter of crime.

Some may say that civilization does not have much to do with science. In the remote villages with rustic folkway, The doors were not shut at night and no one picked other's loss on the street., and doesn’t this count for civilization?

This question involves the understanding of science. It is generally believed that space shuttles, ion accelerators, computer networks, magnetic suspension trains, atomic energy power plants, cloning of life, nanotechnology, and atomic bombs are science but farmer’s planting of crops, housewife’s cooking, worker’s operation, and smallbusiness all have nothing to do with science.

Many people are biased against science, believing that science is at the same time benefiting mankind and threatening the survival of civilization. For example, as a result of the development of science, people can no longer have any impression of the good old days—in which the doors were not shut at night and no one picked other's loss on the street.. Some people even believe that science should be held responsible for the creation of killing machines like firearms, bombers, and atomic bombs and that science has caused the bustling of mankind and accelerated the pace of life. There are even people who claim that the exhausted resources, the polluted earth, the damaged environment, and people’s spiritual and mental stress are all evils committed by science.

Science has been treated unjustly.

Science is the activity and knowledge for understanding, exploring, and interpreting the laws of nature, human society, and thinking. How can we impute science simply because of some people’s crooked application of science to other purposes?

Science has caused the emergence of automobiles. Can we blame science if a driverhas run into someone?

Internet has burst into the modern stage with the development of science. Can we say that science is promoting drugs and pornographic picture albums if someone takes advantage of the network to promote drugs and porn picture albums?

With the development of science and the appearance of Television, VCD, DVD, CD, films, telephones, and floods of books and magazines. Some people are utilizing these facilities to conduct vulgar propaganda, which causes people’s tension in sense of time, apathy in human relations, and contortion in psychology and mentality. Can we blame science for all these bad effects?

Science has caused the invention of atomic bombs, but can we say that science is intimidating people if someone threatens others with an atomic bomb?

If it is tenable to ascribe all misbehaviors and evils of modern society to science, then the following logical reasoning should be completely correct.

The reason why Xiao Wang committed murder is because his parents have given birth to him. If his parents have not given birth to him, there would not have been the problem of Xiao Wang’s murder. Then not Xiao Wang but his parents should be blamed for the crime. However, Xiao Wang’s parents were born by their respective parents, so Xiao Wang’s parents’ parents should be responsible for Xiao Wang’s crime. If this reasoning goes further back, the primogenitor of mankind will have to be held responsible. Where did man’s primogenitor come from? Then the earth cannot be exempt from the liability, because without the earth there would have been no primogenitor of mankind. The problem, however, does not end here. Without the solar system, there would have been no earth; and without the Milky Way galaxy, there would have been no solar system. And finally the crime may be traced back to the Greatest Creator who has created the universe.

The result of the logical reasoning is that the Greatest Creator is responsible for Xiao Wang’s action of murder.

This discursion is ridiculous.

If this rationalization is not absurd, then there would be only one solution: destroy mankind, destroy the universe.

Who else wants to shift the blame onto science?

There is a fallacy, “Science is a double-edged sword”, which undoubtedly implies that “The sun is a double-edged ball”, “The orange is a double-edged fruit”, “The plane is a double-edged aircraft”, and “TV is a double-edged set”. Everything is double-edged anywhere and any time. The result is one’s own parents are double-edged persons.

If we compare science to a knife, it totally depends on the user of the knife and has nothing to do with the knife itself whether the knife is used to chop vegetables, to mow grass, to slaughter pigs, or to kill people.

When it comes to science, we have to talk about scientists. Now there are more and more scientists, which are a good thing and an inevitable result of social development. But the problem is, “Who can be called scientists?”

Who are scientists?

Scientists are people who have discovered and can clearly describe or explain a certain law in the field of nature, society, and thinking, which is universally valid within a given limit of time and space.

Newton is a scientist because he has discovered gravitation; Einstein is a scientist because he has discovered the mass energy equation; Madame Curie is a scientist because she has discovered radioelements; Planck is a scientist because he has discovered quantum theory; Laplace is a scientist because he has discovered the uncertainty principle.

Those who work in science laboratories or with scientists can only be called scientific workers and cannot be called scientists.

People capable of explaining certain phenomena cannot be called scientists. Otherwise, I would also be a scientist.

People working in certain academy of sciences can not be called scientists.

People only capable of making innovations and inventions according to others’ theories can not be called scientists and can only be called inventors, engineers, and technicians. Edison is not a scientist.

People only capable of expounding others’ theories are not scientists, either. Many university teachers can explain the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics to students, but they are not scientists, instead they are teachers and professors.

A person can only be regarded as one with great power of understanding but cannot be considered a scientist if he has discovered certain law but cannot explain it in clear words.

Therefore those who developed atomic bombs according to Einstein’s theories cannot be called scientist. They can at best be regarded as scientific workers or engineers.

Scientist is a sacred title. We should not abuse this title by using it randomly; otherwise science and scientists will be tarnished.

A person is a scientist if he has discovered and explained a certain theory. That he may later do something detrimental to society with his discovery is a matter of his moral character and social standpoint and has nothing to do with the title of scientist. In the same way, a man has created wealth for himself and the society by making a knife. We cannot say that it is wrong to create wealth just because he later becomes a criminal by killing people with this knife.

After we have discovered what science and scientists are, we will understand that science is the catalyst for civilization.

Without the guidance of science, man would be like a mob of animals, irrational, irredeemable, and hopeless.

Science and scientist are offspring of the Greatest Creator. The Greatest Creator has not created religion, but he has created science and scientist. A real scientist cannot deny the existence of the Greatest Creator, because all that are created by the Greatest Creator are not a result of random actions but are based on science, laws, and principles. The road of science is the road of the Greatest Creator. Who are nearest to the Greatest Creator? Scientists!

Human society is marching toward civilization. Today’s society is more civilized than the past. Modern times are more civilized than past times. Whoever is hostile to science, to present time and is afraid of the future can get undressed, destroy all you haveand go back to the virgin forest to see how you can survive.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 11:45pm On Nov 27, 2018
ivysunday:

Ok, I apologize for my ignorance. Please do teach me what you believe.
Beliefs, are not a thing that I teach, since at best, they are the figments of the imagination that are cooked up in one's head without external supporting evidence.

One belief I do hold though, despite all the evidence against it, is all human beings can be decent. The evidence at least shows that a vast majority of humans I meet are decent, at least towards me.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 1:53am On Nov 28, 2018
budaatum:

Beliefs, are not a thing that I teach, since at best, they are the figments of the imagination that are cooked up in one's head without external supporting evidence.

One belief I do hold though, despite all the evidence against it, is all human beings can be decent. The evidence at least shows that a vast majority of humans I meet are decent, at least towards me.
Good to hear. People alike attract each other. You are decent person.
But do you really believe in science? how about this?

Life and Death and Reincarnation --American Science and Education Documentary

Episode 1: Near-death Experience

https://v.qq.com/x/page/q0169lepkzg.html

Episode 2: Past Life Memories

https://v.qq.com/x/page/c0506w0urm1.html

Episode 3: Exploring the Phenomenon of Consciousness

https://v.qq.com/x/page/k0177rc9j8e.html

Episode 4: Secrets of the Soul

https://v.qq.com/x/page/y01693oe2i9.html
Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 4:36am On Nov 28, 2018
ivysunday:

Good to hear. People alike attact each other. You are decent person.
But do you really believe in science? how about this?

Life and Death and Reincarnation --American Science and Education Documentary

Episode 1: Near-death Experience

https://v.qq.com/x/page/q0169lepkzg.html

Episode 2: Past Life Memories

https://v.qq.com/x/page/c0506w0urm1.html

Episode 3: Exploring the Phenomenon of Consciousness

https://v.qq.com/x/page/k0177rc9j8e.html

Episode 4: Secrets of the Soul

https://v.qq.com/x/page/y01693oe2i9.html
No, I do not believe in science, nor am I required to. Science is not some religion that one believes or not. Where it is relevant one can test scientific claims and know, and where one can't perform experiment, one can read what others have done and accept it as so or not.

Couldn't play the videos in the links for some reason. Maybe they don't play where I am.

Near death experiences are not a thing I have to believe since I've been opportuned to experience more than four. Past life memories, I haven't, but nothing I've heard about them convinces me of their plausibility. C. G. Jung does a lot on consciousness and I'm a fan, though I doubt we're on the same page. And I've never met a soul.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 2:26am On Nov 29, 2018
budaatum:

No, I do not believe in science, nor am I required to. Science is not some religion that one believes or not. Where it is relevant one can test scientific claims and know, and where one can't perform experiment, one can read what others have done and accept it as so or not.

Couldn't play the videos in the links for some reason. Maybe they don't play where I am.

Near death experiences are not a thing I have to believe since I've been opportuned to experience more than four. Past life memories, I haven't, but nothing I've heard about them convinces me of their plausibility. C. G. Jung does a lot on consciousness and I'm a fan, though I doubt we're on the same page. And I've never met a soul.

The video can be played in China. Yes, maybe it cannot be played your place.
How about talking about the near death experience you had, anything unusual happened? I guess that was hint to you, you might get somthing from those experience.
CG Jung is faithful Student of Chinese Thought, with very high spirituality. I just found this on internet. I really know little about these masters.
In China, Lao Tzu is the person who understands Tao best.
When you say soul, you mean ghost? In lifechanyuan, when we say consciousness, we mean soul. We are our souls. Souls can be seperated with bodys, when we have dreams, our souls are not in our body.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 3:09am On Nov 29, 2018
ivysunday:


The video can be played in China. Yes, maybe it cannot be played your place.
How about talking about the near death experience you had, anything unusual happened? I guess that was hint to you, you might get somthing from those experience.
CG Jung is faithful Student of Chinese Thought, with very high spirituality. I just found this on internet. I really know little about these masters.
In China, Lao Tzu is the person who understands Tao best.
When you say soul, you mean ghost? In lifechanyuan, when we say consciousness, we mean soul. We are our souls. Souls can be seperated with bodys, when we have dreams, our souls are not in our body.

There was nothing untoward with my near death experiences except that my mind created scenarios that seemed unrelated to the physical environment I was in. I saw lights, and if I was the sort, I would claim angels came, took me to what could be called god who told me to go back, "it's not your time yet, buda", but in reality, it was all my own state of semi-consciousness trying to make sense of the experience I was undergoing. In the one instance when I completely instantly switched off, which seemed like closer to death than near, there was absolutely nothing.

"Consciousness is the state or quality of awareness or of being aware of an external object or something within oneself." While the soul, as far as I understand it, is religious mumbo-jumbo for the part of humans that supposedly lives on after one dies. Soul, I guess, is not a word that sits well in my vocabulary since there's no evidence for it.

Jung studied and wrote about the psychology of the human nature, which did include him finding similarities in western, Chinese and even primitive thought. I wouldn't say he was "faithful" . If anything, he attempted to explain the religious experience of the human being and how it influences thought and subsequent action. He explains how symbols (and myths) influence what we believe, and points to similarities across time and location. His writing is heavy going, but enlightening. The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious, Part 1 of Volume 9 in The Collected Works of C. G. Jung is a good one to start with, though to fully comprehend what he is saying, you'd have to work through some of the books he mentions in his rather copious references.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 7:01am On Nov 29, 2018
budaatum:

There was nothing untoward with my near death experiences except that my mind created scenarios that seemed unrelated to the physical environment I was in. I saw lights, and if I was the sort, I would claim angels came, took me to what could be called god who told me to go back, "it's not your time yet, buda", but in reality, it was all my own state of semi-consciousness trying to make sense of the experience I was undergoing. In the one instance when I completely instantly switched off, which seemed like closer to death than near, there was absolutely nothing.

"Consciousness is the state or quality of awareness or of being aware of an external object or something within oneself." While the soul, as far as I understand it, is religious mumbo-jumbo for the part of humans that supposedly lives on after one dies. Soul, I guess, is not a word that sits well in my vocabulary since there's no evidence for it.

Jung studied and wrote about the psychology of the human nature, which did include him finding similarities in western, Chinese and even primitive thought. I wouldn't say he was "faithful" . If anything, he attempted to explain the religious experience of the human being and how it influences thought and subsequent action. He explains how symbols (and myths) influence what we believe, and points to similarities across time and location. His writing is heavy going, but enlightening. The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious, Part 1 of Volume 9 in The Collected Works of C. G. Jung is a good one to start with, though to fully comprehend what he is saying, you'd have to work through some of the books he mentions in his rather copious references.
Hi, thanks for sharing.
So you believe that you are your brain and you get no soul?And what in your dream are only created by your imagination? Why cannot you control your dream? Why somebody always have good dreams while some aways have nightmares?

And you don't believe in below either:

Jesus cured many people who were possessed by evil spirits; there are countless records and instances about being possessed by soul (some people call this as being haunted by ghost) at all times and in all over the world. Seth conveyed the information of life to common people through the attachment to an American woman.

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Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 4:49pm On Nov 29, 2018
ivysunday:

Hi, thanks for sharing.
So you believe that you are your brain and you get no soul?And what in your dream are only created by your imagination? Why cannot you control your dream? Why somebody always have good dreams while some aways have nightmares?
No, I do not believe that I am my brain! I am my legs too, and my arms and my chest and my bum and my kidney and my heart and my nose and my eyes and my entire being. Saying I am just a brain is like saying the elephant's trunk is the elephant!

And I do control my dreams, to an extent. I grew up very poor and used to dream of money a lot and in my dream would plot how to bring the money out of my dreams and into reality.

When I started, I'd carefully hide the dream money, but when I woke up it wouldn't be there so next time I'd take that into consideration and place it more carefully but it still wouldn't be there, but eventually, I worked out how to bring dream money into reality. I still hate when I wake up during an interesting dream, so I go back and dream some more.

People dream what they think. If your thoughts are good, you will have good dreams, but if your thoughts are bad, you'd have more nightmares. People more or less control which sort of dreams they have.

ivysunday:

And you don't believe in below either:

Jesus cured many people who were possessed by evil spirits; there are countless records and instances about being possessed by soul (some people call this as being haunted by ghost) at all times and in all over the world. Seth conveyed the information of life to common people through the attachment to an American woman.
No, I don't believe that Jesus cured many people who were possessed by evil spirits, I know that Jesus cures many people who are possessed by stupid thinking, and without his teachings, more people would be stupid today.

Don't have a clue what Seth you mean.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 1:52am On Nov 30, 2018
budaatum:

No, I do not believe that I am my brain! I am my legs too, and my arms and my chest and my bum and my kidney and my heart and my nose and my eyes and my entire being. Saying I am just a brain is like saying the elephant's trunk is the elephant!

And I do control my dreams, to an extent. I grew up very poor and used to dream of money a lot and in my dream would plot how to bring the money out of my dreams and into reality.

When I started, I'd carefully hide the dream money, but when I woke up it wouldn't be there so next time I'd take that into consideration and place it more carefully but it still wouldn't be there, but eventually, I worked out how to bring dream money into reality. I still hate when I wake up during an interesting dream, so I go back and dream some more.

People dream what they think. If your thoughts are good, you will have good dreams, but if your thoughts are bad, you'd have more nightmares. People more or less control which sort of dreams they have.


No, I don't believe that Jesus cured many people who were possessed by evil spirits, I know that Jesus cures many people who are possessed by stupid thinking, and without his teachings, more people would be stupid today.

Don't have a clue what Seth you mean.
If you pay close attention to the information of the new age, you will know who Seth is.

For thousands of years, the wise people have been working hard to seek the answers. the sages such as Jesus, Sakyamuni, Mohammed, Lao Tzu from one generation after another had paid their painstaking efforts for us; Marx, Lenin, Mao Zedong, Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln had worked so hard for us. All of them tried to create a peaceful world in which everyone are equal and happy; the great sages such as Moses, St. Paul, Maha Villa, Zoroaster, Mani, Vardhamana, Dante, Seth had endured the hardships and advised us in earnest in order to lead us into a happy homeland; but the real answer seems to be still far away from us, and we still need to go a long journey, step by step, to approach the other side of truth.

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Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 2:14am On Nov 30, 2018
ivysunday:

If you pay close attention to the information of the new age, you will know who Seth is.

For thousands of years, the wise people have been working hard to seek the answers. the sages such as Jesus, Sakyamuni, Mohammed, Lao Tzu from one generation after another had paid their painstaking efforts for us; Marx, Lenin, Mao Zedong, Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln had worked so hard for us. All of them tried to create a peaceful world in which everyone are equal and happy; the great sages such as Moses, St. Paul, Maha Villa, Zoroaster, Mani, Vardhamana, Dante, Seth had endured the hardships and advised us in earnest in order to lead us into a happy homeland; but the real answer seems to be still far away from us, and we still need to go a long journey, step by step, to approach the other side of truth.

Your Seth didn't sound like information of the old age.

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28deity%29?wprov=sfla1]Seth[/url] is the son of Geb, the Earth and Nut, the Sky; his siblings are Osiris, Isis, and Nephthys. He married Nephthys and fathered Anubis; and in some accounts he had relationships with the foreign goddesses Anat, and Astarte.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 6:22am On Nov 30, 2018
budaatum:

Your Seth didn't sound like information of the old age.

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28deity%29?wprov=sfla1]Seth[/url] is the son of Geb, the Earth and Nut, the Sky; his siblings are Osiris, Isis, and Nephthys. He married Nephthys and fathered Anubis; and in some accounts he had relationships with the foreign goddesses Anat, and Astarte.

The Seth Material: The Spiritual Teacher that Launched the New Age Paperback – January 1, 2010. ... Seth is the acclaimed non-physical teacher whose collected works are the most

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Material

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Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 1:00am On Dec 01, 2018
ivysunday:


The Seth Material: The Spiritual Teacher that Launched the New Age Paperback – January 1, 2010. ... Seth is the acclaimed non-physical teacher whose collected works are the most

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Material
We got different Seths. The following is from your link.

The core teachings of the Seth Material are based on the principle that consciousness creates matter, and that each individual creates his or her own reality through thoughts, beliefs and expectations, and that the "point of power" through which the individual can affect change is in the present moment.

The Seth Material says that all individuals create their own circumstances and experiences within the shared earthly environment, similar to the doctrine of responsibility assumption. This concept is expressed in the phrase "you create your own reality", which may have originated with the Seth readings.


Compare it with this and tell me what you think.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 3:26am On Dec 01, 2018
budaatum:

We got different Seths. The following is from your link.

The core teachings of the Seth Material are based on the principle that consciousness creates matter, and that each individual creates his or her own reality through thoughts, beliefs and expectations, and that the "point of power" through which the individual can affect change is in the present moment.

The Seth Material says that all individuals create their own circumstances and experiences within the shared earthly environment, similar to the doctrine of responsibility assumption. This concept is expressed in the phrase "you create your own reality", which may have originated with the Seth readings.


Compare it with this and tell me what you think.

I believe in him.

the universe is holographic, and human beings can eventually become immortals through the adjustment of thinking, conscious practice and health cultivation. That is to say, the antimatter structure of our life will evolve at any time and anywhere along with the energy and information we receive, as shown in the Water Knows Answer experiment. When noise and hatred fill the surrounding environment, the crystals of water are ugly, but when soothing music and love surround the water, the crystals of water are like flowers, very beautiful and moving. Science proves that 70% of the human body is water. So when we live in a dirty and fraudulent environment full of hatred. In fact, we are already very ugly, but if we live in a beautiful, peaceful and natural environment, full of love and mutual trust, our body structure will show a very beautiful and moving appearance. Maybe that's exactly what happens when talented people come out of beautiful mountains and rivers, and miserable people come out of poor mountains and rivers.
Re: Origin Of The Universe by ivysunday(f): 3:27am On Dec 01, 2018
budaatum:

We got different Seths. The following is from your link.

The core teachings of the Seth Material are based on the principle that consciousness creates matter, and that each individual creates his or her own reality through thoughts, beliefs and expectations, and that the "point of power" through which the individual can affect change is in the present moment.

The Seth Material says that all individuals create their own circumstances and experiences within the shared earthly environment, similar to the doctrine of responsibility assumption. This concept is expressed in the phrase "you create your own reality", which may have originated with the Seth readings.


Compare it with this and tell me what you think.

The only eternal things in the universe are consciousness, structure and energy. Everything else is illusory, flashy and unsustainable. Energy is neutral, just like air and water. Any consciousness can call for it, so we don't need to pay too much attention to energy. Flower blooms and butterflies come, what kind of structure they have, they will naturally attract that kind of energy. We already know that any structure is the product of consciousness. So, we need not overemphasize on structure. what kind of consciousness exist, there will be what kind of corresponding structure. To unify all thoughts and beliefs into the Greatest Creator's will and all religions into one uniform belief system, this "one" is consciousness. The universe is conscious. Without consciousness, there will be no various life structures and strange material forms. So, what is this consciousness? Answer: This consciousness is the Greatest Creator! When we find the Greatest Creator, we find the source, the core, the myriad confusions, the boundless dim become clear and bright; the complexity becomes simple, the darkness becomes light, the limitation becomes infinite, and the suffering becomes joy.

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