TruthinAction:


You stand on this Scripture and ignore many others that clearly teaches about the existence of a place of torment called hell. That's the problem of JW. They just pick scriptures that apparently support their pre conceived opinion while ignoring others. In addition, you don't try to figure out things with your physical senses. The physical senses many a time don't agree with God's word. Please, I plea with you, give your life to Jesus and find a Bible believing Church to attend.

Physical but able to align the beginning of the matter with the end using the scriptures! If you call that PHYSICAL then i wonder what you'll call SPIRITUAL! Definitely some kind of complications where the beginning totally contradicts the end.
I presented the pronouncement of the Creator from the beginning concerning the first sinner and concluded that such is what HE has in mind for any other sinner, and you called it physical but you'll agree with those who can't explain what is happening to Adam(the first sinner) presently. They're saying God will punish people in a place of torment forever NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DIE that's spiritual and makes sense to you. My friend the Bible is for those who are willing to humble themselves for the ones God sent not those who are just followers of religious title holders!
You need to IDENTIFY those working for Jesus today, they're not mixed up in different religious groups having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, they have a unique organization having the same teaching and one line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10,Philippians 2:2

TATIME:
Physical but able to align the beginning of the matter with the end using the scriptures! If you call that PHYSICAL then i wonder what you'll call SPIRITUAL! Definitely some kind of complications where the beginning totally contradicts the end.
I presented the pronouncement of the Creator from the beginning concerning the first sinner and concluded that such is what HE has in mind for any other sinner, and you called it physical but you'll agree with those who can't explain what is happening to Adam(the first sinner) presently. They're saying God will punish people in a place of torment forever NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DIE that's spiritual and makes sense to you. My friend the Bible is for those who are willing to humble themselves for the ones God sent not those who are just followers of religious title holders!
You need to IDENTIFY those working for Jesus today, they're not mixed up in different religious groups having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, they have a unique organization having the same teaching and one line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10,Philippians 2:2

Have you tried to go through all the scriptures that deals with eternal judgment. Have you read where it is written that those whose names were not found written in the book of life were cast into the Lake of fire?

TruthinAction:


Have you tried to go through all the scriptures that deals with eternal judgment. Have you read where it is written that those whose names were not found written in the book of life were cast into the Lake of fire?

Yes! Revelations 20:15 and verse 14 already explains what LAKE OF FIRE means, it's simply the second Death. Note that Death and He'll were also cast into the same place, meaning there won't be death nor Hell(Grave) anymore and those whose names were not written in the book of life were cast into the same place! You need to first understand what is the first death before you can grasp what the second means! The first death is that which Adam brought on all of us whether good or bad we are all dying, the second Death is all that has to do with whatever God doesn't include in HIS arrangement from the beginning :death, grave, evildoers.
How will your name get into the book of life? Malachi answered that those setting aside time for going to meet their neighbors and studying the Bible together with them so that both the visitor and householder could know what God wants. Malachi 3:16
And 500 years after Malachi Jesus Later commissioned the preaching and teaching program and today ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses the ones all of YOU despises so much that are doing it, so how will your name get into that "book of life" when you can not even IDENTIFY true Christians(true worshippers) talkless joining them to do what must be done? Malachi 3:18

TATIME:
Yes! Revelations 20:15 and verse 14 already explains what LAKE OF FIRE means, it's simply the second Death. Note that Death and He'll were also cast into the same place, meaning there won't be death nor Hell(Grave) anymore and those whose names were not written in the book of life were cast into the same place! You need to first understand what is the first death before you can grasp what the second means! The first death is that which Adam brought on all of us whether good or bad we are all dying, the second Death is all that has to do with whatever God doesn't include in HIS arrangement from the beginning :death, grave, evildoers.
How will your name get into the book of life? Malachi answered that those setting aside time for going to meet their neighbors and studying the Bible together with them so that both the visitor and householder could know what God wants. Malachi 3:16
And 500 years after Malachi Jesus Later commissioned the preaching and teaching program and today ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses the ones all of YOU despises so much that are doing it, so how will your name get into that "book of life" when you can not even IDENTIFY true Christians(true worshippers) talkless joining them to do what must be done? Malachi 3:18

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and SHALL BE TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOR EVER and EVER.

Please read these two verses clearly and honestly and tell me what it says.

TATIME:
Peter has helped US with a thought provoking question for enemies of the truth like this one. "to whom shall we go, you have the saying of everlasting life" John 6:68. Please brother,just ask Mr blackmailer to name a BETTER Christian group. Lobatan

John 6:67-68 - Jesus said therefore to the twelve, "You don't also want to go away, do you?" [68] Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.

Who is Peter speaking to in John 6:68? Is it the JW leadership? No, it was Jesus. There is nothing in that verse about leaving such an organization or going to another similar organization. To apply the words of Jesus to an organization leadership such as that of the JW organization would scripturally place the leadership as being anti-christ (instead of Christ).

I believe Charles Taze Russell was right on this. He said:

The Apostle Peter's words, "Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life," are full of meaning. He had known what it meant to seek God's favor and everlasting life through keeping the Law, and, like most of the Jews of the humbler class, had been discouraged, finding himself condemned both by the doctrines of the Pharisees and by his own conscience. Doubtless, also, he knew something of the various heathen philosophies respecting a future life; and, if so, he knew them to be merely human speculations or guesses.

But for three years he had known Jesus and heard his words on this subject of eternal life. His teaching was not speculative guessing as to what might be. "He taught them with authority, and not as the scribes." Nor did he teach them to hope for eternal life through the keeping of the Law (which they knew to be an impossibility). His teaching, on the contrary, was different from that of every other teacher. He taught them that he had come into the world, not to be served or honored and titled, but to serve men and to finally give his life a ransom or purchase-price for the forfeited lives of all who lost the right to life in Adam's trial and disobedience. (Matt. 20:28.) His teaching was that as a result of this ransom-sacrifice, which, by divine love and arrangement, he was about to give for all, all shall have the opportunity of everlasting life through obedience under the gracious terms of the New Covenant; and that to this end not only they, but also, "All that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of Man, and come forth, and they that hear [obey] shall live" – attain perfect life. (John 5:25,28,29.) Peter had heard this simple and beautiful gospel – this, the only real good tidings of everlasting life; he recognized Jesus as the Messiah sent of God to be the Life-giver to the world, the true light that shall ultimately lighten every man that cometh into the world. – John 1:9.

What wonder, then, in view of this, that Peter answered as he did, "Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life." Peter's faith and hope had found in the doctrines of Christ a foundation and anchorage which they could not find elsewhere.

And the same is true of all intelligent believers to-day, in proportion as they have heard and understood the wonderful words of life, of which Christ's death is the central theme, the hub, whose spokes are the love and favor of God, including all his exceeding great and precious promises reaching to the circumference – everlasting life. Having once seen the truth, having once heard the good tidings – the words of everlasting life – for what would they exchange it?

http://mostholyfaith.com/Beta/bible/Reprints/Z1894OCT.asp#R1710:11

Russell further stated:

Nothing must be allowed to separate between us and the inspired Word if we would walk in the Light. Whatever "helps" really point us to the Bible as the only authority, and assist us in rightly dividing it, are profitable to us as servants and guides: but that which attempts to be to us instead of God's Word is a dangerous foe. Watch Tower, August 15, 1897, page 240.

And also:

The Lord himself is the only rightful Head of the Church, and consequently the only authority in it. A recognition of his headship or supreme authority in the Church, and of his Word alone as its doctrinal standard, with faith in him as the Redeemer and in the power of his truth to sanctify, together with a recognition of the individual liberty of consecrated believers, to grow in grace and in the knowledge of the truth, is the only proper attitude of the Church. -- Watch Tower, March 1, 1892, page 67.

Concerning an organization (such as the Jehovah's Witnesses organization], Russell stated:

A visible organization is out of harmony with God's divine plan. -- Watch Tower, December 1, 1894, page 1743

There is no organization today clothed with authority. -- Watch Tower, September 1, 1893, page 262.

Concerning the Bible Students as an association, Russell said:

There would be nothing to come out of, as an organization, if one is an International Bible Student. -- The Watch Tower, July 15, 1915, page 219

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And concerning the Watch Tower Society in his day, Russell stated:

Let it be borne in mind that the Society exercises no authority, makes no criticism, but merely gives advice; and that in the interest of the Lord's Cause and the Lord's people. -- The Watch Tower, August 15, 1916, page 248.

No, it is not regarding an organization such as JW organization that Peter spoke. He was speaking of Jesus. If we leave any of man's organizations, we should certainly should go to Jesus, for he is the savior whom Jehovah sent, not any man, nor any "governing body" of men, nor any rulers of this world, etc.

TruthinAction:


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and SHALL BE TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOR EVER and EVER.

Please read these two verses clearly and honestly and tell me what it says.

What those trying to translate the Bible book of Revelation don't realise is that "it's understanding belongs to those given". You're dwelling on what is mentioned but neglecting the fact that it has "spiritual meanings". So ask those taking FIRE and BRIMSTONE literal, what is the meaning of WILD BEAST (with seven heads and ten horns)Revelations 13:1, BABYLON THE GREAT(the prostitute) Revelations 17:5, GOG and MAGOG 20:8. If you don't understand any of those mentioned above, then whoever is trying to translate the others LITERALLY must also be part of the FALSE PROPHETS. Revelations 19:20

ResLight:

John 6:67-68 - Jesus said therefore to the twelve, "You don't also want to go away, do you?" [68] Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.
Who is Peter speaking to in John 6:68? Is it the JW leadership? No, it was Jesus. There is nothing in that verse about leaving such an organization or going to another similar organization. To apply the words of Jesus to an organization leadership such as that of the JW organization would scripturally place the leadership as being anti-christ (instead of Christ).
I believe Charles Taze Russell was right on this. He said:
http://mostholyfaith.com/Beta/bible/Reprints/Z1894OCT.asp#R1710:11
Russell further stated:
And also:
Concerning an organization (such as the Jehovah's Witnesses organization], Russell stated:
Concerning the Bible Students as an association, Russell said:
And concerning the Watch Tower Society in his day, Russell stated:
No, it is not regarding an organization such as JW organization that Peter spoke. He was speaking of Jesus. If we leave any of man's organizations, we should certainly should go to Jesus, for he is the savior whom Jehovah sent, not any man, nor any "governing body" of men, nor any rulers of this world, etc.

Thanks for bringing back the sweet memories of our beloved brother "Charles Taxes Russell", it's makes us feel good whenever there is a mention of the 19th century Bible's students.
However there is something that escaped your notice regarding Jehovah's Witnesses. We're not followers of Russell! Though he also served as part of the frontiers during this endtime research to restore pure worship and all his contemporary Bible students worked very hard to sought out the falsehood that beclowded the sons of light preventing them from seeing brightly.
So it was to the extent that they saw the light that Russell and others back then we're operating. Today the light has grown brighter than their time(Proverbs 4:18) therefore Jehovah's Witnesses must continue to improve on what was discovered NOT TO REMAIN in the things they were doing back then.
Christianity began as an organization in the year 33ce at Pentecost when the first set of believers were anointed with God's holy spirit. According to Jesus, Satan will come and sow weeds amongst Christians, both will continue to grow together until the time of harvest and the reapers will SEPARATE the fine seeds and the weeds.
After the death of the Apostles, Apostasy dominated the church and true Christianity was lost! It was during the 19th century that the reapers began that spiritual separation, that's why the Bible students began making research to restore pure worship! So the restoration took a long time as many who wants to continue with the old system of setting up another religious group walked away and finally pure worship is restored. That's why today we're bearing the divine name Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever is not ready to remain with our organization can go and start his/her own but let all of them have it in mind that JEHOVAH is one and our God ONLY operate with just one organization!
We're Jehovah's Witnesses,We're modern day worshippers of our God and NO president of the watchtower whether past or present is our leader(including Russell). The organization is following an unseen King having corulers numbering 144,000. So don't expect anyone to predict the movement of His earthly followers, only those who are ready to remain with the organization that our God wants! Revelations 14:1-6 compared with Zechariah 8:23
God bless you!

TATIME:
What those trying to translate the Bible book of Revelation don't realise is that "it's understanding belongs to those given". You're dwelling on what is mentioned but neglecting the fact that it has "spiritual meanings". So ask those taking FIRE and BRIMSTONE literal, what is the meaning of WILD BEAST (with seven heads and ten horns)Revelations 13:1, BABYLON THE GREAT(the prostitute) Revelations 17:5, GOG and MAGOG 20:8. If you don't understand any of those mentioned above, then whoever is trying to translate the others LITERALLY must also be part of the FALSE PROPHETS. Revelations 19:20

Your response is typical of a JW. So, you can't answer my question because it is against your doctrine? I will tell you what the other symbols represent if you agree for us to look at these two Scripture first. Otherwise, you are grossly dishonest and will end up in that burning flame unless you repent.

TruthinAction:


Your response is typical of a JW. So, you can't answer my question because it is against your doctrine? I will tell you what the other symbols represent if you agree for us to look at these two Scripture first. Otherwise, you are grossly dishonest and will end up in that burning flame unless you repent.

It's OK! i'll keep all the meaning to myself and you too can keep whatever meaning you have to yourself. The judgement is for the One seated on the throne not from you or me,so leave presumption out of this,if you can't tell the meaning. I believe those were mentioned FIRST before the Lake of Fire.

TATIME:
It's OK! i'll keep all the meaning to myself and you too can keep whatever meaning you have to yourself. The judgement is for the One seated on the throne not from you or me,so leave presumption out of this,if you can't tell the meaning. I believe those were mentioned FIRST before the Lake of Fire.

It's not about what was mentioned first. Let's stay on topic. We are discussing here about the eternal destiny of man which is a very serious topic. If hell is indeed real and it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is indeed real from the scripture, then everyone must take warning including you and find out what you think one must do to be saved.

The first quote says that the beast and the false prophet were thrown into the Lake of fire burning with brimstone. Notice, the description given to the lake of fire - burning with brimstone. So it confirms it's a literal fire. The verse interpretes itself. It does not need any further interpretation.

Now after Jesus defeated the devil and established his 1,000 reign on earth, Satan was losed for a season. And he gathered great armies against the people of God. Fire came and destroyed that army. And Satan was eventually thrown into the Lake of fire that the false prophets and the beast were thrown in over 1,000 years ago. This is what Revelation 20:10 says.

What can we deduce from these two verses.

1. That the Lake of fire is literal according to the scripture.
2. That those thrown in remain there for eternity. At least, the beast and the false prophet were acknowledged to still be there when Satan was thrown in.
3. This confirms the earlier teaching of our Lord Jesus when he said that sinners will be thrown into a furnace of fire repeatedly. He also added that the worms there do not die and the souls will not have rest night and day.
4. The torment will be for ever as stated in Revelation 20:10.

So, it's up to you to deny clear truth and established your preconceived opinion over the word of God. You will not go unpunished.

TruthinAction:


It's not about what was mentioned first. Let's stay on topic. We are discussing here about the eternal destiny of man which is a very serious topic. If hell is indeed real and it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is indeed real from the scripture, then everyone must take warning including you and find out what you think one must do to be saved.

The first quote says that the beast and the false prophet were thrown into the Lake of fire burning with brimstone. Notice, the description given to the lake of fire - burning with brimstone. So it confirms it's a literal fire. The verse interpretes itself. It does not need any further interpretation.

Now after Jesus defeated the devil and established his 1,000 reign on earth, Satan was losed for a season. And he gathered great armies against the people of God. Fire came and destroyed that army. And Satan was eventually thrown into the Lake of fire that the false prophets and the beast were thrown in over 1,000 years ago. This is what Revelation 20:10 says.

What can we deduce from these two verses.

1. That the Lake of fire is literal according to the scripture.
2. That those thrown in remain there for eternity. At least, the beast and the false prophet were acknowledged to still be there when Satan was thrown in.
3. This confirms the earlier teaching of our Lord Jesus when he said that sinners will be thrown into a furnace of fire repeatedly. He also added that the worms there do not die and the souls will not have rest night and day.
4. The torment will be for ever as stated in Revelation 20:10.

So, it's up to you to deny clear truth and established your preconceived opinion over the word of God. You will not go unpunished.

This is not the topic of the thread therefore it's not what we're discussing here but if you bring it up then find the meaning first.
(1)Wild Beast "with seven heads and ten horns"! 13:1
(2)Babylon the Great or Prostitute! 17:5
(3)Woman that fled into the wilderness! 12:1
(4)The earth that came to her rescue! 12:16
(5)Gog and Magog! 13:5
Before JUMPING to Revelations 20:14,15!
You can add more PETROL to your fire not just only brimstone. Jeremiah 7:31
If you don't know the meaning of all these listed above,my friend you're just a sounding brass and tinkling cymbal (1corinthians 13:1) definitely not a fully competent and completely equipped Christian. 2Timothy 3:16,17
So when you're ready just signify by asking! Matthew 7:7 And we'll tell or teach you.

Primesky:


OneJ, the question I have been begging you and Peacefullove to answer are these, I have added and modified it.

1. Does Jesus speak divergently from God?. That is does Jesus speak contrary to what God will have said?.

2. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy communion. But Jehovah witnesses dispise it. Why?.

3. Watch Tower said Jesus came back to earth in the spirit in 1914, contrary to what Jesus Christ said about the matter. So when Jesus came in 1914 according to you people, where did he enter and where is he now?.

4. You people said that spirit and soul as rational entities do not exist, and that spirit is just an active force. Now, can a mere active force be rational, be emotional, speak and also be referred to as 'He'.

5. It's true that Jesus died and rose again. But when He rose again, in what state did He rise, bodily or spiritually?.

6. Who is Jesus Christ?. Is He angel Micheal or not?.

7. By what means and are we saved?. Grace or works?.

Please note that your answer to these questions will form the basis of all our future discussions. Please be civil. Thanks.

Cc: OneJ, Peacefullove, TATIME

1) "Jesus answered: my teaching is not my own. It comes from him (Jehovah) who sent me" John 7:16

2) What is holy communion? Explain, pls

3)Jehovah's witnesses NEVER said "Jesus came back to earth in the spirit in 1914".

4) Misleading question with frivolous, unfounded allegations. Reframe it,pls.

5)Jesus the last (or 2nd )Adam died in the flesh (physical body) but rose again with a spiritual body . 1 Cor 15:42-47.
Recess.. be back later)

OneJ:


1) "Jesus answered: my teaching is not my own. It comes from him (Jehovah) who sent me" John 7:16

2) What is holy communion? Explain, pls

3)Jehovah's witnesses NEVER said "Jesus came back to earth in the spirit in 1914".

4) Misleading question with frivolous, unfounded allegations. Reframe it,pls.

5)Jesus the last (or 2nd )Adam died in the flesh (physical body) but rose again with a spiritual body . 1 Cor 15:42-47.
Recess.. be back later)

> Can you answer the question directly please,stop dodging it. if Jesus speaks what God speaks exactly, why do you people pick and chose His words?. He warned you about hell and you say God didn't say that in the beginning. so what is your point?.

> What is communion?. Go and read i Corinthians 10:16. now you want to pick holes on the name, as if you don't know what i am talking about. Call it last supper or call it Holy communion, it is one and the same thing. Did Jesus ask us to do it or not? Read 22:19 and tell me why you people don't do it, since you said Jesus said, He speaks what the Father commands Him.

>This denial is legendary. it's either you are deliberately lying or you're ignorant of the religion you profess and defend. please do more research.

> Again, I ask you to answer question 4. there is absolutely no ambiguity in it. Does Spirit which you call 'active force', reason, talk and express emotion?. Stop dodging it.

>Big lie!. Why do you make the word of God a lie?. All can see that the Jesus you people profess is not the same Jesus the Bible talked about.


Please read this passage.

Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Was Jesus telling a lie or is Watch Tower deceiving people?.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.



Can you please stop these lies when the bible is very clear on these matters.

Facelessly arguing on social media is worthless according to the Nazarene who taught His own followers to lead by example,because there is no way anyone can teach without the one learning seeing you to study the practical applications of what was taught!

Primesky:


> Can you answer the question directly please,stop dodging it. if Jesus speaks what God speaks exactly, why do you people pick and chose His words?. He warned you about hell and you say God didn't say that in the beginning. so what is your point?.

> What is communion?. Go and read i Corinthians 10:16. now you want to pick holes on the name, as if you don't know what i am talking about. Call it last supper or call it Holy communion, it is one and the same thing. Did Jesus ask us to do it or not? Read 22:19 and tell me why you people don't do it, since you said Jesus said, He speaks what the Father commands Him.

>This denial is legendary. it's either you are deliberately lying or you're ignorant of the religion you profess and defend. please do more research.

> Again, I ask you to answer question 4. there is absolutely no ambiguity in it. Does Spirit which you call 'active force', reason, talk and express emotion?. Stop dodging it.

>Big lie!. Why do you make the word of God a lie?. All can see that the Jesus you people profess is not the same Jesus the Bible talked about.


Please read this passage.

Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Was Jesus telling a lie or is Watch Tower deceiving people?.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.



Can you please stop these lies when the bible is very clear on these matters.

1) Jehovah never sentenced Adam to eternal torture as punishment Gen 3:19. the same precedent he set with destruction of the flood of Noah's day, Sodom& Gomorrah. Jude 1:5-7. How many years was Sodom & Gomorrah in eternal fire? Hellfire does not exist. Believe what U wish.

2) Luke 22:19, u already know that JWs commemorate the Lord's memorial (the Lord's Evening Meal) annually. Christ never did it weekly.

3) Visit jw.org & read up what JWs believe about the subject matter of 1914. No come here dey lie...

4) Don't confuse yourself. The word "spirit" in James 2:26, Eccl 3:21, 12:7 is not the same as holy spirit.
Each day,we hear on radio, "the newspaper reported.." the newspaper said.."
Does it in any way suggest that the newspaper is a person?
How many spirits were poured out to 120 disciples at Pentecost?

5) Luke 24:13-37, study& digest it) that's were the real coco dey, hanging on to vs 38,39 shows a poor &shallow understanding of the truth. The disciples knew Christ very well. Yet found it hard to recognize him after he resurrected..., why ? Luke 24:13-37 tells U something vital u have missed.
Or U should explain 1 Cor 15:42-47.

OneJ:


1) Jehovah never sentenced Adam to eternal torture as punishment Gen 3:19. the same precedent he set with destruction of the flood of Noah's day, Sodom& Gomorrah. Jude 1:5-7. How many years was Sodom & Gomorrah in eternal fire? Hellfire does not exist. Believe what U wish.

2) Luke 22:19, u already know that JWs commemorate the Lord's memorial (the Lord's Evening Meal) annually. Christ never did it weekly.

3) Visit jw.org & read up what JWs believe about the subject matter of 1914. No come here dey lie...

4) Don't confuse yourself. The word "spirit" in James 2:26, Eccl 3:21, 12:7 is not the same as holy spirit.
Each day,we hear on radio, "the newspaper reported.." the newspaper said.."
Does it in any way suggest that the newspaper is a person?
How many spirits were poured out to 120 disciples at Pentecost?

5) Luke 24:13-37, study& digest it) that's were the real coco dey, hanging on to vs 38,39 shows a poor &shallow understanding of the truth. The disciples knew Christ very well. Yet found it hard to recognize him after he resurrected..., why ? Luke 24:13-37 tells U something vital u have missed.
Or U should explain 1 Cor 15:42-47.

The fact that you can boldly, with unashamed face tell me these things, without your conscience priking you say a lot.

My joy is that increasingly, God is opening the eyes of your colleagues to see the deception you've been led into.

* Who says he'll fire does not exist?. Jesus said it exist and you and Watch Tower says it doesn't exist. Who is lieing you or Jesus?. Even when the bible tells you that Jesus preached to the spirits of these men of Noah's time at death, you still looked for a way to maneuver it. And I asked you if what Jesus said is contrary to what God says, such that we can now discard the words of Jesus Christ. That's unthinkable!.


*So, you will say what you people do once a year is the Lord's Supper?. Wonders shall never end. You mock Christ and say you're honoring Him?. That's bad na bro.

* OK, the word spirit is not the same as Holy Spirit, who or what then is the Holy Spirit of God as the bible puts it?. See how you're confusing yourself?. Man has his own conscious rational spirit, and there is the Holy Spirit of God!. Two separate entities. See how you're asking how many spirits were poured out at Pentecost, of cause is one Holy Spirit of God!.

Then, why did the Bible say that we all who believe in Jesus Christ are sealed by one Spirit?

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Tell me, can an ordinary force be grieved?.

Again, tell me as the scripture puts it below, how can we come before God, angels, Jesus and before the spirits(individual spirits) of just men made perfect. Can you do that with a mere force?. I thought the force just evaporates like you people believe?.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Please stop believing in a lie. Repent and receive Jesus Christ now!. Please it's not an insult,tjis is really serious. You guys are yet to know the real Jesus Christ!. May God also open your eyes. Shalom.

Primesky:


The fact that you can boldly, with unashamed face tell me these things, without your conscience priking you say a lot.

My joy is that increasingly, God is opening the eyes of your colleagues to see the deception you've been led into.

* Who says he'll fire does not exist?. Jesus said it exist and you and Watch Tower says it doesn't exist. Who is lieing you or Jesus?. Even when the bible tells you that Jesus preached to the spirits of these men of Noah's time at death, you still looked for a way to maneuver it. And I asked you if what Jesus said is contrary to what God says, such that we can now discard the words of Jesus Christ. That's unthinkable!.


*So, you will say what you people do once a year is the Lord's Supper?. Wonders shall never end. You mock Christ and say you're honoring Him?. That's bad na bro.

* OK, the word spirit is not the same as Holy Spirit, who or what then is the Holy Spirit of God as the bible puts it?. See how you're confusing yourself?. Man has his own conscious rational spirit, and there is the Holy Spirit of God!. Two separate entities. See how you're asking how many spirits were poured out at Pentecost, of cause is one Holy Spirit of God!.

Then, why did the Bible say that we all who believe in Jesus Christ are sealed by one Spirit?

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Tell me, can an ordinary force be grieved?.

Again, tell me as the scripture puts it below, how can we come before God, angels, Jesus and before the spirits(individual spirits) of just men made perfect. Can you do that with a mere force?. I thought the force just evaporates like you people believe?.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Please stop believing in a lie. Repent and receive Jesus Christ now!. Please it's not an insult,tjis is really serious. You guys are yet to know the real Jesus Christ!. May God also open your eyes. Shalom.

Bro, wetin U know understand dey confuse U. James 2:26 "As the body with out SPIRIT is dead , so faith with out works is dead"
Eccl 12:7 "... the SPIRIT returns to God who gave it"
Primesky , is that "spirit" (in James2:26, Eccl12:7, ) actually the holy spirit?

2) Did God send Adam to hellfire, yes or no?

3) Did Jesus preach to so-called spirits of the dead in prison? No !!!!
Let the Bible speak, 1 Peter 3:18-20
" "Christ was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit through which also he went to preach to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built". (Further proof Christ resurrected with a spiritual body).
Primesky who were the "spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when Noah built the ark?

"The sons of God (Angels ) went after the daughters of men& had children by them" Genesis 6:4.
Jude 1:6 "Angels (now demons) who abandoned their own home (heaven) these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains " (these are the spirits in prison)

In the days of Noah, these angels disobeyed God by having kids with women on earth.

4) To grieve the holy spirit (a figure of speech) which means to reject God's power to guide U to live a Christ like life

Acts 2:33,38" Christ has received from the Father the promised holy spirit and has poured out what U now see and hear"
v38" And you will receive the gift of the holy spirit"
( Did Yahweh give out "God" as a gift?)
Acts1:8 " But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes on you"
did God (a)pour himself on Christ ? (b) pour himself on followers of Christ (c) Pour himself
on Mary ,Elizabeth? Luke 1:35,41.

Acts4:7,8 "By what POWER or what name did you do this?
Verse 8 provided the answer to v7 question.
v8 "Then, Peter filled with the holy spirit...
The holy spirit is the power Yahweh promised to gift His servants- Jesus &Christ's followers.

OneJ:


Bro, wetin U know understand dey confuse U. James 2:26 "As the body with out SPIRIT is dead , so faith with out works is dead"
Eccl 12:7 "... the SPIRIT returns to God who gave it"
Primesky , is that "spirit" (in James2:26, Eccl12:7, ) actually the holy spirit?

2) Did God send Adam to hellfire, yes or no?

3) Did Jesus preach to so-called spirits of the dead in prison? No !!!!
Let the Bible speak, 1 Peter 3:18-20
" "Christ was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit through which also he went to preach to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built". (Further proof Christ resurrected with a spiritual body).
Primesky who were the "spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when Noah built the ark?

"The sons of God (Angels ) went after the daughters of men& had children by them" Genesis 6:4.
Jude 1:6 "Angels (now demons) who abandoned their own home (heaven) these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains " (these are the spirits in prison)

In the days of Noah, these angels disobeyed God by having kids with women on earth.

4) To grieve the holy spirit (a figure of speech) which means to reject God's power to guide U to live a Christ like life

Acts 2:33,38" Christ has received from the Father the promised holy spirit and has poured out what U now see and hear"
v38" And you will receive the gift of the holy spirit"
( Did Yahweh give out "God" as a gift?)
Acts1:8 " But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes on you"
did God (a)pour himself on Christ ? (b) pour himself on followers of Christ (c) Pour himself
on Mary ,Elizabeth? Luke 1:35,41.

Acts4:7,8 "By what POWER or what name did you do this?
Verse 8 provided the answer to v7 question.
v8 "Then, Peter filled with the holy spirit...
The holy spirit is the power Yahweh promised to gift His servants- Jesus &Christ's followers.

I know that only God can save you. There is nothing any human being can do to save you from. This level of disbelieve and falsehood. You probably where born into it.

You're still maintaining that the Holy Spirit is just a force and not a personality. But that's a lie. Stop denying the truth.

So, to grieve the Holy Spirit is a figurative speech?. What a shame!. Just so you could defend a lie?. Come on bro.

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Does an ordinary force speak, like a rational person?. Take note who said this.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Can you refer to a mere 'active force' as He or Him?. Again, take note who said that.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

How can a non living conscious being, testify, speak, or remember to say something. Who said these words pleas?.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Again, the spirit, shall not speak of 'Himself', what He hears, He speaks. Wait, an ordinary force?.

If you say you believe in Jesus Christ, why do you not believe His very words?. Because He said these.

When a lie is in motion, you will need more lies to keep it rolling. Every evidence in the bible tells you of the trinity of God, but no, you would not believe it.

That's why you were asking if God poured Himself on Jesus and the Apostles. My dear, you are yet to encounter the real Jesus Christ, otherwise these things you are saying wouldn't have arisen.

× Can somebody imagine this OneJ saying that Jesus went to preach to fallen angels in prison?. Wonderful!. For what purpose exactly?. Please reason a little about this yourself.

Then you claim that Jesus rose spiritually, is the passage below a lie then?.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


Look at verse 19. Which body was Jesus referring to. Spirit body?. I don't understand how you guys read the bible. For Christ sake, Jesus Christ rose with a physical body!.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

What happened in the verse above?. So now, are you going to say flesh and blood can touch spirit as Jesus asked Thomas to do?. Again, consider verse 28 that Thomas called Him my LORD and my God, showing you the divinity of Jesus Christ. There is no lie anybody can tell to extricate him/herself from the reality of truth, except you just stubbornly want to be deceived.

* As for the verse in James you quoted, again you misinterpreted it. The real man is a spirit, dwelling in a body. If he, the spirit is not in the body, the body is dead.

This spirit is different from the Spirit of God, and the breath of life. Don't get it confused. 100 demon spirits can live inside one man!. Read up the story of the demon possessed man. Jesus cast out seven demons from one Mary in the Bible. Why do you still deny these things?.

Don't get into eternity with these lies you hold unto, because there will be no repenting there.

Primesky:




I know that only God can save you. There is nothing any human being can do to save you from. This level of disbelieve and falsehood. You probably where born into it.

You're still maintaining that the Holy Spirit is just a force and not a personality. But that's a lie. Stop denying the truth.

So, to grieve the Holy Spirit is a figurative speech?. What a shame!. Just so you could defend a lie?. Come on bro.

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Does an ordinary force speak, like a rational person?. Take note who said this.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Can you refer to a mere 'active force' as He or Him?. Again, take note who said that.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

How can a non living conscious being, testify, speak, or remember to say something. Who said these words pleas?.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Again, the spirit, shall not speak of 'Himself', what He hears, He speaks. Wait, an ordinary force?.

If you say you believe in Jesus Christ, why do you not believe His very words?. Because He said these.

When a lie is in motion, you will need more lies to keep it rolling. Every evidence in the bible tells you of the trinity of God, but no, you would not believe it.

That's why you were asking if God poured Himself on Jesus and the Apostles. My dear, you are yet to encounter the real Jesus Christ, otherwise these things you are saying wouldn't have arisen.

× Can somebody imagine this OneJ saying that Jesus went to preach to fallen angels in prison?. Wonderful!. For what purpose exactly?. Please reason a little about this yourself.

Then you claim that Jesus rose spiritually, is the passage below a lie then?.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


Look at verse 19. Which body was Jesus referring to. Spirit body?. I don't understand how you guys read the bible. For Christ sake, Jesus Christ rose with a physical body!.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

What happened in the verse above?. So now, are you going to say flesh and blood can touch spirit as Jesus asked Thomas to do?. Again, consider verse 28 that Thomas called Him my LORD and my God, showing you the divinity of Jesus Christ. There is no lie anybody can tell to extricate him/herself from the reality of truth, except you just stubbornly want to be deceived.

* As for the verse in James you quoted, again you misinterpreted it. The real man is a spirit, dwelling in a body. If he, the spirit is not in the body, the body is dead.

This spirit is different from the Spirit of God, and the breath of life. Don't get it confused. 100 demon spirits can live inside one man!. Read up the story of the demon possessed man. Jesus cast out seven demons from one Mary in the Bible. Why do you still deny these things?.

Don't get into eternity with these lies you hold unto, because there will be no repenting there.

Eternity is just in two forms my friend, Life or Death forever!
Adam is the first sinner and his judgment is death forever but his descendants that turns out to be obedient can gain what Adam lost "living forever"!
Whoever teaches you any other thing apart from that is simply saying "God has no power to end lives" or "God is wicked". Because the Bible says HE is JUST :meaning HE will not continue to be wrathful for eternity. Most humans lived all their lives within the time limit of 100 years and you are suggesting that God will not allow them to die again but keep them crying forever! Haba! When the Bible says HE is LOVE. 1John 4:8
Again whenever HIS creatures are experiencing pains God is not feeling comfortable, we see this in the way HIS son bursts into tears seeing people suffering. John 11:35:
Now you're teaching yourselves according to the wickedness in the heart of men but JEHOVAH is not like that! Jeremiah 7:31

TATIME:
Eternity is just in two forms my friend, Life or Death forever!
Adam is the first sinner and his judgment is death forever but his descendants that turns out to be obedient can gain what Adam lost "living forever"!
Whoever teaches you any other thing apart from that is simply saying "God has no power to end lives" or "God is wicked". Because the Bible says HE is JUST :meaning HE will not continue to be wrathful for eternity. Most humans lived all their lives within the time limit of 100 years and you are suggesting that God will not allow them to die again but keep them crying forever! Haba! When the Bible says HE is LOVE. 1John 4:8
Again whenever HIS creatures are experiencing pains God is not feeling comfortable, we see this in the way HIS son bursts into tears seeing people suffering. John 11:35:
Now you're teaching yourselves according to the wickedness in the heart of men but JEHOVAH is not like that! Jeremiah 7:31

My dear, be very wary of what sounds good and true, but is not. What you've said now will naturally make sense to the human mind, but that's far from the truth.

You can't be better than your maker. The Lord said this is what I will do, and you're saying that's not it. This is obviously the lie of the devil.

Being just does not mean that God's judgment will be over in a second, no that's not what it means.

Now, let me ask you. If a bad man knows that all that will happen to him after he has done so much evil, is to just die and disappear, why should he worry about the judgment?. But the judgment is feared, in that, it is not only terrible, but everlasting as Jesus himself said it, you can't be more righteous than Jesus na.

Now, get it, hell fire was not prepared for man, no never, rather, it was prepared for the devil and his fallen colleagues on the account of sin. It's like saying this is where all the angels who committed sin will be punished. But unfortunately, man also fell into that same trap.

Now, Here comes the virtue of God being just. God will be unjust not to punish man as well. But see what He did, He gave man a second chance, made the payment for him, this gravely annoys Satan.

If any man after all these, dies in sin, he /she has no body else to blame but him/herself, and will be cast into the same place.

Now, do you know why Lucifer made that stupid attempt in trying to overthrow God, His maker?. I am thinking that it's because of over familiarity with God, for all the while this angel has known God, God was a very gentle, loving, never angry and merciful God, so he probably thought he could do any thing a get away with it, highest, God will be very angry, and then he will apologize and that's it, just as you are suggesting.

God has decided to use these fallen angels as an example for all creation to know that He can kill, wound and destroy too, if you mess around His Holiness. If Lucifer and all the sinners dies and disappear, don't you think some angels and saints, who will be living in future eternity, would forget this, and try the non sense again?.

This is more like, hey everyone, look here what I can do, if you foolishly think I am weak and indifferent.

Please, don't buy the lie of the devil, and don't make the stupid mistake he made by over assuming. Shalom.

TATIME:
Founder of the world's only peaceful and we'll organized religious group Why is it that when it comes to antagonism human's brains stops functioning? How come that's the only group known globally for peacefully, zealously,efficiently and industriously preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom Well Jesus was labeled as the "leader of demons" so no wonder people just love rumours against those who left virtuous legacy behind. Matthew 10:24-26

Jws Peaceful? Loving? Is this a Joke? Lol

Primesky:


My dear, be very wary of what sounds good and true, but is not. What you've said now will naturally make sense to the human mind, but that's far from the truth.

You can't be better than your maker. The Lord said this is what I will do, and you're saying that's not it. This is obviously the lie of the devil.

Being just does not mean that God's judgment will be over in a second, no that's not what it means.

Now, let me ask you. If a bad man knows that all that will happen to him after he has done so much evil, is to just die and disappear, why should he worry about the judgment?. But the judgment is feared, in that, it is not only terrible, but everlasting as Jesus himself said it, you can't be more righteous than Jesus na.

Now, get it, hell fire was not prepared for man, no never, rather, it was prepared for the devil and his fallen colleagues on the account of sin. It's like saying this is where all the angels who committed sin will be punished. But unfortunately, man also fell into that same trap.

Now, Here comes the virtue of God being just. God will be unjust not to punish man as well. But see what He did, He gave man a second chance, made the payment for him, this gravely annoys Satan.

If any man after all these, dies in sin, he /she has no body else to blame but him/herself, and will be cast into the same place.

Now, do you know why Lucifer made that stupid attempt in trying to overthrow God, His maker?. I am thinking that it's because of over familiarity with God, for all the while this angel has known God, God was a very gentle, loving, never angry and merciful God, so he probably thought he could do any thing a get away with it, highest, God will be very angry, and then he will apologize and that's it, just as you are suggesting.

God has decided to use these fallen angels as an example for all creation to know that He can kill, wound and destroy too, if you mess around His Holiness. If Lucifer and all the sinners dies and disappear, don't you think some angels and saints, who will be living in future eternity, would forget this, and try the non sense again?.

This is more like, hey everyone, look here what I can do, if you foolishly think I am weak and indifferent.

Please, don't buy the lie of the devil, and don't make the stupid mistake he made by over assuming. Shalom.

God has determined to destroy Satan and the demons who kept misleading people right from the time of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were destroyed at death because they were flesh and so is any of their rebellious offspring. On the other hand Satan and his demons are spirits,so God will destroy them along with any of Adam's descendants who also joined in the rebellion at the end. But to keep living creatures somewhere where they'll be crying under excruciating pain in torment for just 30minutes is unthinkable from Jehovah's standpoint
Haba! Please JEHOVAH is not like that. Jeremiah 7:31
Regarding your insinuations that someone is evil, know today that there is no harm that either Satan, demons or their human agents can cause that can take JEHOVAH 24 hours to restore! So my friend, the evil person has done nobody any harm but himself because when we're given the privilege to live forever they'll be dead as in NON~EXISTENSE! Psalms 37:7-11 Proverbs 2:21,22
Ordinarily keeping their wickedness and bad record in mind is something that the true God abhors!

Geoffreymgk:

Jws Peaceful? Loving? Is this a Joke? Lol

Please can you think of some people who are peaceful and loving,and tell us what exactly you're expecting from such people?
Because when i said Jehovah's Witnesses are the world's most "Peaceful and Loving" group. I can explain what i expect from those possessing these two attributes: LOVE and PEACE! And my friend, i can only notice it in just one single organization "Jehovah's Witnesses"

Primesky, bawoni ? "The real man is a spirit dwelling in a body. If he, the spirit is not in the body, the body is dead. the spirit is different from the breath of life"
The holy scriptures says NO !
Eccl 3:19-21
"Man's fate is like that of animals... as one dies,so dies the other. ALL HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT. Man has no advantage over the animal.
v20 "ALL goes to the same place, all comes from dust; and to dust all return."
21 " Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of animals goes down into the earth?"

"Do not put your trust in princes in mortal men who can not save. When their spirit departs they return to the ground"
Psalms 146:3,4.

"When you (Yahweh) take away their breath, they die and return to the dust" Psalms 104:29

The breath of life is the 'spirit' in man and animals.
" The body (of man and animals) with out spirit (breath of life) is dead, so faith with out deeds is dead" James 2:26.
Yahweh the Creator of man and animals can not lie. Num23:19.
The breath of life is not a spirit being. Demons are spirit beings, like wise angels.
Primesky,man is not a spirit being.how many angels and demons U dey see everyday?
Your claims are not scriptural.
No dull yourself.

To be filled with holy spirit is not the same thing as demon possession.
Does God exit from heaven & take up residence inside U ?

@Primesky, in matt 10:20, John 14:17,16:13 & 15:26 were the words of Jesus Christ himself.
The words in those verses were spoken by Jesus Christ after he received the holy spirit when he was baptized Matt 3:16,17.
Even the words Jesus heard at his baptism where not spoken by the holy spirit , but spoken by Yahweh who said "this is my son whom I love"
(ii) Throughout the length and breadth of the Bible, Yahweh had one on one conversations with his servants (Moses, Abraham etc) on many occasions.. Christ himself did the same, he spoke to people at different times.
My question for U:

(iii) in your Bible, where did the holy spirit have. one on one conversation with somebody?

(iv) " The spirit of my Father speaking THROUGH YOU" God's spirit always function through some one because it is not a person.

v) The Father name na Yahweh ,Him son name. na Jesus, what is the name of the holy spirit? Why eee no get name.?

The holy spirit is the power of Yahweh at work to accomplish whatever Yahweh wants.

OneJ:
@Primesky, in matt 10:20, John 14:17,16:13 & 15:26 were the words of Jesus Christ himself.
The words in those verses were spoken by Jesus Christ after he received the holy spirit when he was baptized Matt 3:16,17.
Even the words Jesus heard at his baptism where not spoken by the holy spirit , but spoken by Yahweh who said "this is my son whom I love"
(ii) Throughout the length and breadth of the Bible, Yahweh had one on one conversations with his servants (Moses, Abraham etc) on many occasions.. Christ himself did the same, he spoke to people at different times.
My question for U:

(iii) in your Bible, where did the holy spirit have. one on one conversation with somebody?

(iv) " The spirit of my Father speaking THROUGH YOU" God's spirit always function through some one because it is not a person.

v) The Father name na Yahweh ,Him son name. na Jesus, what is the name of the holy spirit? Why eee no get name.?

The holy spirit is the power of Yahweh at work to accomplish whatever Yahweh wants.

Seriously, I wonder how you guys reason o. The spirit of God speaking through you is what?. I don't know what to say to you again. You mean, you could still try to fault the written scriptures with unconnecting reasoning?.

Please tell me this verse below is a typographical error.

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

Please how could the Holy Ghost say something?.

What is the name of God's Spirit?. See question?.

We have God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit.

Three in one person. Just as you are three in one person. The Spirit of God is called Holy Spirit. I don't know what else you want to know. If there is any other spirit with that title or name, please let me know, even though all the heavenly spirit beigns are holy, who else has this specific title?.



Now, you quoted what Jesus said somewhere as a proof, did you also consider these two below which Jesus also said about the Holy Ghost?.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

If the Holy Spirit is not a personality, how can he be teaching?. How can he testify about Jesus Christ?. How is it that he can remember what the disciples have forgotten and remind them?. The fact that He can teach, testify and remind from the passage should above, should tell you that He is a rational person.

Also, Jesus calls Him a comforter. How can a non rational person comfort a rational person?. Can you explain that?.

OneJ:
Primesky, bawoni ? "The real man is a spirit dwelling in a body. If he, the spirit is not in the body, the body is dead. the spirit is different from the breath of life"
The holy scriptures says NO !
Eccl 3:19-21
"Man's fate is like that of animals... as one dies,so dies the other. ALL HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT. Man has no advantage over the animal.
v20 "ALL goes to the same place, all comes from dust; and to dust all return."
21 " Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of animals goes down into the earth?"

"Do not put your trust in princes in mortal men who can not save. When their spirit departs they return to the ground"
Psalms 146:3,4.

"When you (Yahweh) take away their breath, they die and return to the dust" Psalms 104:29

The breath of life is the 'spirit' in man and animals.
" The body (of man and animals) with out spirit (breath of life) is dead, so faith with out deeds is dead" James 2:26.
Yahweh the Creator of man and animals can not lie. Num23:19.
The breath of life is not a spirit being. Demons are spirit beings, like wise angels.
Primesky,man is not a spirit being.how many angels and demons U dey see everyday?
Your claims are not scriptural.
No dull yourself.

I sometimes wonder how old you are?. The way you reason and deduce things leaves so much to be desired. I think you're just being economical with the truth!.

Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Please o, what is Jesus saying here?. What is this aspect of man that is so alluded to?.

I have told you, that man is a trinity. Body soul and spirit. Both man and animal body is made of dust. Both have a life force, you can call it breath. But man has a unique person call spirit and soul.

The breath of man and the spirit of man are not the same. Get it right, stop quoting scriptures out of context.

Numbers 16:22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?


The passage talks about the SPIRITS of all flesh suggesting individual spirit of men. What else do you want?.

1 Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

Does spirits talk, yes!. why?. They are persons with reasoning. God does not relate with flesh and blood but with the spirit.


Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

My dear, can you see the distinction between breath and spirit?.

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Now, look and see the above passage that God formed a special being called spirit within man, unique to everybody. That's beyond breath of life!.

Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Seriously?!. Can an ordinary breath be willing, as in, can it have emotion and reasoning like that, and yet not a person?. Common!.

The passages in Ecclesiastes you quoted tells you about the frailty of man just like the animals, that's obviously taking about the body and breath.

Go through the scriptures and see that, both the Holy Spirit of God, strength, breath and the real person of man are all refered to as spirit. But the context, will explain which is which. Love is used frequently today, but you can tell when lust is inferred rather than true love. May God lead you.

TATIME:
God has determined to destroy Satan and the demons who kept misleading people right from the time of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were destroyed at death because they were flesh and so is any of their rebellious offspring. On the other hand Satan and his demons are spirits,so God will destroy them along with any of Adam's descendants who also joined in the rebellion at the end. But to keep living creatures somewhere where they'll be crying under excruciating pain in torment for just 30minutes is unthinkable from Jehovah's standpoint
Haba! Please JEHOVAH is not like that. Jeremiah 7:31
Regarding your insinuations that someone is evil, know today that there is no harm that either Satan, demons or their human agents can cause that can take JEHOVAH 24 hours to restore! So my friend, the evil person has done nobody any harm but himself because when we're given the privilege to live forever they'll be dead as in NON~EXISTENSE! Psalms 37:7-11 Proverbs 2:21,22
Ordinarily keeping their wickedness and bad record in mind is something that the true God abhors!

Hmm... Are you taking based on what the bible said or based on what you think should be the case?. I doubt what you said is God's stand point. See below:

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Read the passage very well and tell me, are there not human spirits involved here, the false prophets that worked deceptive miracles and those who received the mark of the beast?.

For how long did the passage say both they and the devil will be tormented in the lake of fire?. Take note of the torment in Fire!. Does forever and ever mean instant, few years, some billion years or does it mean never ending?. Maybe the dictionary can help us out.

You can't be better than God, take His word as it is, period!. This doesn't make Him bad. He warned against it, so stay away from it!. Don't tell Him how to punish His enemies.

Once again, read my post which you just quoted.

@ Primesky,
1 Peter 3:19,20 must be read & studied together or U miss the message in it.
Gen 6:1-4,Jude 1:6 , 1 Peter 3:19,20 to understand Peter's epistle.
1 kings22:20,21 "a spirit" mentioned there is actually the angel who volunteered to go on that mission stated in both verses.

(Yahweh) makes his angels spirits,his ministers a flaming fire" Ps104:4.
"Are not all angels ministering spirits....? Hebrew 1:14.

In Job 27:3, what is the spirit of God in Job's nostrils being referred to?
The Bible says " Yahweh breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life and the man became a living soul ". Gen 2:7.

U don't seem to understand matt 26:41. pls read& study Romans 7:15-21. Gal 5:17.
It's obvious U have a shallow understanding of how the word "spirit" is used in various Bible verses & what it's real meaning is , in those verses.
Pls cast away your prejudices & study God's word with JWs.... U have so much to learn, I tell U !
Shalom

Primesky:



Hmm... Are you taking based on what the bible said or based on what you think should be the case?. I doubt what you said is God's stand point. See below:

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Read the passage very well and tell me, are there not human spirits involved here, the false prophets that worked deceptive miracles and those who received the mark of the beast?.

For how long did the passage say both they and the devil will be tormented in the lake of fire?. Take note of the torment in Fire!. Does forever and ever mean instant, few years, some billion years or does it mean never ending?. Maybe the dictionary can help us out.

You can't be better than God, take His word as it is, period!. This doesn't make Him bad. He warned against it, so stay away from it!. Don't tell Him how to punish His enemies.

Once again, read my post which you just quoted.

When people die they returned to dust but spirits don't die. So God has HIS own way of returning them to nonexistence, please those Angeles knew God has that power to destroy them but they don't know how HE is going to do it,that's what they are trying to learn from our preaching and teaching activities because they know God will reveal it to the holy ones. 1Peter 1:12
So when you're saying God will keep them inside burning fire to be tormented forever and ever,they'll just be laughing because they knew HIM and HIS qualities much more than any humans. They know HE can't withstand seeing HIS creatures suffering talk less leaving them there forever! 1John 4:8
The only thing you need to figure out is "where will Adam be,hellfire or heaven?" Because he caused all the suffering that's making people to do bad things today.
So if God's judgment for Adam is death or return to dust, then you can go further to explain what will happen to Adam's offsprings that followed his footsteps.
As regards the torment, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed in an instance but all Bible readers can still remember them and Lot's wife till today as if they're still burning inside the fire that consumed those cities.
You just need to understand that anyone practicing what those people did back then will continue to be TORMENTED with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. The same way survivors into God's kingdom will continue to remember many of those they knew so well who perished in Armageddon. For your information that's the meaning of what you're reading not that the same God who said "tormenting living creatures inside fire is what i hate and has NEVER come into my mind" will now adopt the practices that HE HIMSELF condemns from HIS heart. Jeremiah 7:31
It's just as simple as that!

TATIME:
When people die they returned to dust but spirits don't die. So God has HIS own way of returning them to nonexistence, please those Angeles knew God has that power to destroy them but they don't know how HE is going to do it,that's what they are trying to learn from our preaching and teaching activities because they know God will reveal it to the holy ones. 1Peter 1:12
So when you're saying God will keep them inside burning fire to be tormented forever and ever,they'll just be laughing because they knew HIM and HIS qualities much more than any humans. They know HE can't withstand seeing HIS creatures suffering talk less leaving them there forever! 1John 4:8
The only thing you need to figure out is "where will Adam be,hellfire or heaven?" Because he caused all the suffering that's making people to do bad things today.
So if God's judgment for Adam is death or return to dust, then you can go further to explain what will happen to Adam's offsprings that followed his footsteps.
As regards the torment, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed in an instance but all Bible readers can still remember them and Lot's wife till today as if they're still burning inside the fire that consumed those cities.
You just need to understand that anyone practicing what those people did back then will continue to be TORMENTED with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. The same way survivors into God's kingdom will continue to remember many of those they knew so well who perished in Armageddon. For your information that's the meaning of what you're reading not that the same God who said "tormenting living creatures inside fire is what i hate and has NEVER come into my mind" will now adopt the practices that HE HIMSELF condemns from HIS heart. Jeremiah 7:31
It's just as simple as that!

Please can you for once stop misinterpreting scriptures to suit your religion?.

Stop saying things against what Jesus said.

Did Jesus ever make these statements?.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:


Please answer the above.

Then saying the devils do not know what punishment awaits them, are you saying what you think or are you saying what is in the bible?.

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Does the above passages in any way suggest that the fate of the fallen angels and sinful men is unknown?. Do you read the bible more than the devils do?.

Now, if all the above doesn't convince you, then look at this below.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Who was everlasting fire prepared for?. Will man eventually end up there?.

What does everlasting and forever mean according to the dictionary?.

Please stop twisting the truth.

As for the passage in Jeremiah you quoted, please go back to that passage and read up the preceding verses to know what God was actually taking about.


This people where sacrificing their children to idols by burning them in fire. Meanwhile, as at that time, the only thing God permitted to be so sacrificed to Him was animals and grains NOT human beings!. That's why He said that (burning your children in fire for me) didn't come into my mind. O boy, stop trying to make God a lair na. Fear God O.