Alero3Arubi:
Tell them oooo.
They will not hear.
Will soon come to fight and claim nonsense right now.

viscerion:

We are all hear to learn, but some group of people are strong headed and hellbent on deceiving others, so this is to prevent deception

To all yorubas, hausas, all northerners, and south southerners, the next time you enter an argument with an Igbo person on whether ikwerre, ukwuani, ika of delta are igbo? just give the igbo person these following points

1.) people of bonny in rivers are ijaw, yet they speak igbo. tribe is not by language
2.)urhobos and isokos of delta are like twins, yet they maintain their status as different tribes, go to warri and see
3.)Ibibio and efik of akwa ibom and cross river despite strong similarities maintain their status as different tribes, it is we outsiders that just grouped all of them as "calabar people"
4.) ikwerre people have as much similarities with ijaw as with igbo, come to rivers and see, ikwerre main dressing and dance like ijaws
5.) yorubas answer timi, ijaw people also bear timi does that make ijaws yoruba?
6.) though not confirmed, they are evidences that show ikwerre and ika of agbor MAY come from Edo, which may explain the name "rumuighoroya"
7.) Even Non Nigerians from togo, ghana e.t.c claim to be Nigerians if it will favour them jobs, admission, social benefits, e.t.c, after all GEJ an ijaw man gave himself azikiwe to get favour from igbos, so dont be surprise when famous ikwerre people all themselves igbo, same people will claim hausa if they can if it will favour them
8.)Ikwerre has different dialects, so ikwerre itself cannot be a dialect under igbo
9.) why is it only Igbo people that keep insisting that ikwerre and ika and ukwani of delta state are igbos, when even the ikwerre, ukwani people dont insist that

i could go on and on, dont be deceived, rumuighoroya meka we

Alero3Arubi:
Tell them oooo.
They will not hear.
Will soon come to fight and claim nonsense right now.

viscerion:


abi o, its only to insult they know, they cant argue with points, I got these points from another thread from an ikwerre person for that matter

nengibo:
Bonny, Opobo(In general Ibani people) are not Igbo because aside from Ibo there is native dialect called Ibani, Ibani people have a distinct history, language and culture.

Src: lower niger and its tribes.

viscerion:
go ahead, analyze, i started my post with we are all here to learn, i know weve thrashed this issue many times but as you see it tends to create more confusion than answers, so i made a simple way to treat it

my mum is ikwerre, and im not denying that they are igbos in rivers and delta states, just that the ikwere n ukwale people are not the igbos in SS. we have igbos in aniocha n oshimili LG in delta, the ukwani are in ndokwa LG, they r a diff tribe

fasterwell:



Someone already said that this topic has been treated on this forum before but its obvious that you are here judging by your time of registering on the forum.

So, i will respond based on facts..

1. The origin of Igbos in Bonny and Opobo can be traced to the era of slave trade and the abolishment of the slave trade.

Read here

https://www.nairaland.com/732794/igbos-bonny-igbodefender.com

They were real Igbos who stayed back and settled in Bonny and Opobo after the slave trade was abolished. They are now indigenes of Bonny and Opobo.

In nny own town, a son of a hired servant from core Igboland is now a reigning king of my community and they are now Ikwerre indigenes.

2. The case of Urhobos and Ishkos of Delta is that they both wants to rule themselves and decides what happens in their domain and the sane thing that happened between Ogoni and Eleme people of Rivers state...

Again the same thing was what transpired between the Ikwerres and the Igbos. The Ikwerres were tired of being treated as slaves or servants to the Igbos especially the people of Arochukwu who lorded themselves over the Ikwerres

Late Senator Obi Wali once said that as a little boy, he used to carry his father's chair to the village meeting but as soon as an Arochukwu man arrives at the meeting and there was no seat for him, his father would surrender his own seat to the Arochukwu man and then sat on the floor.

I also remembered when an Igbo man who was not from Rivers state was representing the Ikwerres in the federal house of representatives,

So for that purpose the Ikwerres vowed to cut ties the core Igbos so they can rule thenselves and decide what hapens in their domain. The Ikwerres had to do what they did to be free from intimidations by their Igbo brothers and for politival gains..

3. Calabar was the capital of old Cross River state which the current Akwa Ibom was part of. There were several tribes like Anang, Efik, Ibibio etc. The creation of Akwa Ibom state was not because of tribes or identity crisis but to bring governance close to the people.

Or are you trying to tell us that the Ijaws in Rivers State are different fromt the Ijaws in Bayelsa and other states?

4. It is not by dressing or dancing but the origin. That you now wear shrts,, suits, trousers and dance hip pop, does that makes you an American?

5. Check the meaning of Timi in Ijaw and yoruba if they are the same. Chika is an Igbo and Ikwerre with same meaning

6. Even some part of Abia state either Arochukwu or Ohafia also has link with Bini..

7. Also for the benefit of staying alive, the Ikwerres had no other option but to deny the Igbos during the civil war so federal troops won't wipe them off. Don't forget that the Ogonis and Ijaws already told the federal troops that Ikwerres were Igbos which triggered the killings of innocent and defendless Ikwerres by the Nigerian army until the Ikwerres denied being Igbos.

8. Even Asa in Abia state has different dialects let alone Ikwerre. Igbo language has many sub - languages and each sub - language has many dialects which Ikwerre happens to be one of then.

9. Even the Yorubas, Hausas, Ijaws, Ogonis, Efik calls the Ikwerres Igbos...

TO CROWN IT ALL THE IKWERRES AND IGBOS HAS THE SAME ANCESTRAL GOD CALLED ANADIOHA

Tushkito:


It doesn't matter what their origin states, this people have made it clear that they want nothing to do with the tag igbo, respect their choice and move on with life abeg.

fasterwell:



Someone already said that this topic has been treated on this forum before but its obvious that you are here judging by your time of registering on the forum.

So, i will respond based on facts..

1. The origin of Igbos in Bonny and Opobo can be traced to the era of slave trade and the abolishment of the slave trade.

nengibo:

this is wrong, Ibani people existed long before the slave trade era, their are no "Igbo" indegenes as those who where not originally of Ibani decent like Ibibio, Ogoni, Okrika, Igbo where all acculturated, just like what happened to Ibibios in Arochukwu, Abriba or the "nwaosu'' people present across Igbo land, the Ibani people have a long kingship, language and ancestry as old as recorded history, thanks.

fasterwell:


Maybe you read that post again for better understanding

I never said the Igbos settled in Bonny and Opobo before the slave trade but that they settled there after the trade were abolished.

The people of Bonny and Opobo accomodated them and gave them land to build their houses. The Igbos that settled in Bonny and Opobo are no longer strangers but indigenes.

I even gave an example that a descendant of an Igbo man who was hired as a servant by my great great grandfather is now reigning as the paramount ruler of community as an Ikwerre man

nengibo:


I may have misunderstood you but I am only trying to explain acculturation, take Arochukwu for instance, there are many people of ibibio descent but it will be wrong to call them Ibibio indegens because Arochukwu is an Igbo community, Arochukwu will not become Ibibio land because of the presence of people of Ibibio decent, so it will be wrong to say an Ikwerre community becomes Igbo because of a migrant was acculturated and became king.

fasterwell:

The op asked if Bonny people were Igbos since they speak igbo language and i explained that Igbos are in Bonny. It would be wrong to say that Bonny is 100% Igbos or Ijaws because both tribes now made up the Bonny kingdom.

Are you now telling that the Fulanis in the North are no northerners because they not hausa?

nengibo:

Will it be wrong to say Abriba or Arochukwu is 100 percent Igbo or 100 percent Ibibio?

fasterwell:



Someone already said that this topic has been treated on this forum before but its obvious that you are here judging by your time of registering on the forum.

So, i will respond based on facts..

1. The origin of Igbos in Bonny and Opobo can be traced to the era of slave trade and the abolishment of the slave trade.

Read here

https://www.nairaland.com/732794/igbos-bonny-igbodefender.com

They were real Igbos who stayed back and settled in Bonny and Opobo after the slave trade was abolished. They are now indigenes of Bonny and Opobo.

In nny own town, a son of a hired servant from core Igboland is now a reigning king of my community and they are now Ikwerre indigenes.

2. The case of Urhobos and Ishkos of Delta is that they both wants to rule themselves and decides what happens in their domain and the sane thing that happened between Ogoni and Eleme people of Rivers state...

Again the same thing was what transpired between the Ikwerres and the Igbos. The Ikwerres were tired of being treated as slaves or servants to the Igbos especially the people of Arochukwu who lorded themselves over the Ikwerres

Late Senator Obi Wali once said that as a little boy, he used to carry his father's chair to the village meeting but as soon as an Arochukwu man arrives at the meeting and there was no seat for him, his father would surrender his own seat to the Arochukwu man and then sat on the floor.

I also remembered when an Igbo man who was not from Rivers state was representing the Ikwerres in the federal house of representatives,

So for that purpose the Ikwerres vowed to cut ties the core Igbos so they can rule thenselves and decide what hapens in their domain. The Ikwerres had to do what they did to be free from intimidations by their Igbo brothers and for politival gains..

3. Calabar was the capital of old Cross River state which the current Akwa Ibom was part of. There were several tribes like Anang, Efik, Ibibio etc. The creation of Akwa Ibom state was not because of tribes or identity crisis but to bring governance close to the people.

Or are you trying to tell us that the Ijaws in Rivers State are different fromt the Ijaws in Bayelsa and other states?

4. It is not by dressing or dancing but the origin. That you now wear shrts,, suits, trousers and dance hip pop, does that makes you an American?

5. Check the meaning of Timi in Ijaw and yoruba if they are the same. Chika is an Igbo and Ikwerre with same meaning

6. Even some part of Abia state either Arochukwu or Ohafia also has link with Bini..

7. Also for the benefit of staying alive, the Ikwerres had no other option but to deny the Igbos during the civil war so federal troops won't wipe them off. Don't forget that the Ogonis and Ijaws already told the federal troops that Ikwerres were Igbos which triggered the killings of innocent and defendless Ikwerres by the Nigerian army until the Ikwerres denied being Igbos.

8. Even Asa in Abia state has different dialects let alone Ikwerre. Igbo language has many sub - languages and each sub - language has many dialects which Ikwerre happens to be one of then.

9. Even the Yorubas, Hausas, Ijaws, Ogonis, Efik calls the Ikwerres Igbos...

TO CROWN IT ALL THE IKWERRES AND IGBOS HAS THE SAME ANCESTRAL GOD CALLED ANADIOHA

fasterwell:



Someone already said that this topic has been treated on this forum before but its obvious that you are here judging by your time of registering on the forum.

So, i will respond based on facts..

1. The origin of Igbos in Bonny and Opobo can be traced to the era of slave trade and the abolishment of the slave trade.

Read here

https://www.nairaland.com/732794/igbos-bonny-igbodefender.com

They were real Igbos who stayed back and settled in Bonny and Opobo after the slave trade was abolished. They are now indigenes of Bonny and Opobo.

In nny own town, a son of a hired servant from core Igboland is now a reigning king of my community and they are now Ikwerre indigenes.

2. The case of Urhobos and Ishkos of Delta is that they both wants to rule themselves and decides what happens in their domain and the sane thing that happened between Ogoni and Eleme people of Rivers state...

Again the same thing was what transpired between the Ikwerres and the Igbos. The Ikwerres were tired of being treated as slaves or servants to the Igbos especially the people of Arochukwu who lorded themselves over the Ikwerres

Late Senator Obi Wali once said that as a little boy, he used to carry his father's chair to the village meeting but as soon as an Arochukwu man arrives at the meeting and there was no seat for him, his father would surrender his own seat to the Arochukwu man and then sat on the floor.

I also remembered when an Igbo man who was not from Rivers state was representing the Ikwerres in the federal house of representatives,

So for that purpose the Ikwerres vowed to cut ties the core Igbos so they can rule thenselves and decide what hapens in their domain. The Ikwerres had to do what they did to be free from intimidations by their Igbo brothers and for politival gains..

3. Calabar was the capital of old Cross River state which the current Akwa Ibom was part of. There were several tribes like Anang, Efik, Ibibio etc. The creation of Akwa Ibom state was not because of tribes or identity crisis but to bring governance close to the people.

Or are you trying to tell us that the Ijaws in Rivers State are different fromt the Ijaws in Bayelsa and other states?

4. It is not by dressing or dancing but the origin. That you now wear shrts,, suits, trousers and dance hip pop, does that makes you an American?

5. Check the meaning of Timi in Ijaw and yoruba if they are the same. Chika is an Igbo and Ikwerre with same meaning

6. Even some part of Abia state either Arochukwu or Ohafia also has link with Bini..

7. Also for the benefit of staying alive, the Ikwerres had no other option but to deny the Igbos during the civil war so federal troops won't wipe them off. Don't forget that the Ogonis and Ijaws already told the federal troops that Ikwerres were Igbos which triggered the killings of innocent and defendless Ikwerres by the Nigerian army until the Ikwerres denied being Igbos.

8. Even Asa in Abia state has different dialects let alone Ikwerre. Igbo language has many sub - languages and each sub - language has many dialects which Ikwerre happens to be one of then.

9. Even the Yorubas, Hausas, Ijaws, Ogonis, Efik calls the Ikwerres Igbos...

TO CROWN IT ALL THE IKWERRES AND IGBOS HAS THE SAME ANCESTRAL GOD CALLED ANADIOHA

viscerion:

We are all hear to learn, but some group of people are strong headed and hellbent on deceiving others, so this is to prevent deception

To all yorubas, hausas, all northerners, and south southerners, the next time you enter an argument with an Igbo person on whether ikwerre, ukwuani, ika of delta are igbo? just give the igbo person these following points

1.) people of bonny in rivers are ijaw, yet they speak igbo. tribe is not by language
2.)urhobos and isokos of delta are like twins, yet they maintain their status as different tribes, go to warri and see
3.)Ibibio and efik of akwa ibom and cross river despite strong similarities maintain their status as different tribes, it is we outsiders that just grouped all of them as "calabar people"
4.) ikwerre people have as much similarities with ijaw as with igbo, come to rivers and see, ikwerre main dressing and dance like ijaws
5.) yorubas answer timi, ijaw people also bear timi does that make ijaws yoruba?
6.) though not confirmed, they are evidences that show ikwerre and ika of agbor MAY come from Edo, which may explain the name "rumuighoroya"
7.) Even Non Nigerians from togo, ghana e.t.c claim to be Nigerians if it will favour them jobs, admission, social benefits, e.t.c, after all GEJ an ijaw man gave himself azikiwe to get favour from igbos, so dont be surprise when famous ikwerre people all themselves igbo, same people will claim hausa if they can if it will favour them
8.)Ikwerre has different dialects, so ikwerre itself cannot be a dialect under igbo
9.) why is it only Igbo people that keep insisting that ikwerre and ika and ukwani of delta state are igbos, when even the ikwerre, ukwani people dont insist that

i could go on and on, dont be deceived, rumuighoroya meka we

morpheus24:


I continue to find these arguments quite archaic and outside the realm of today's realities in identifying ethnic groups.

It is quite easy to find out if there is a linear correlation btw linguistic similarities and an ethno-genesis of a people.

All someone need do is conduct a large scale genetic study using samples from all these groups in question and compare contrast with other adjourning groups around them if the groups studied cluster genetically then there is conclusive evidence buttressed by the linguistic similarities that indeed the groups branched off or originated from the same source population somewhere in the near past.

The rest of all this gibberish simply has a political undertone to it.


This is the 21st century

Shikena!