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|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by elantraceey(f): 12:44am On Nov 09|
look at this one? Someone will look at you and think you have sense ..... Even part of our Oba's palace is made of mud, kill yourself.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by chukxie(m): 1:09am On Nov 09|
Nice! I'm from there, too.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by ozila(m): 3:17am On Nov 09|
oga quiet, una done start again, Oduduwa hailed from Benin in case you don't know.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by Skydweller(m): 6:30am On Nov 09|
This post reminds me of my days in Uniben Ekehuan campus. Those artworks are a sight to behold. Thanks for sharing.
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|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by lexy2014: 6:33am On Nov 09|
What makes Benin city a retro degenerate city? What's wrong if its ancient and has red sand?
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by Switruth: 8:27am On Nov 09|
KendrickAyomide:. Will be there tomorrow for the governors cup golf tournament at Benin club. Holla if you can make we flex.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by iluvdonjazzy: 9:25am On Nov 09|
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 9:28am On Nov 09|
You are the ignorant one.
Read this :://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/amp
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by prolog2: 10:13am On Nov 09|
pazienza:You will have to decide one day if you are Igbo or Yoruba, because I dont know many Igbo who take as much pleasure spreading Yoruba propaganda. It s the Yoruba who make that silly claim the same way they claim each and everything achieved by Edo's. And the reason is that the Yoruba have nothing to be proud of, they actually have no history, they keep repeating a made up story of oduduwa and oranmiyan and whatever. A fairy tail for children. But either you are a real slowpoke, either you are just trolling.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by dederocs(m): 10:40am On Nov 09|
pazienza:Am talking about an interview the Oba did... lots of bullshit on the internet...lots of ignoramus in the world.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 10:50am On Nov 09|
The interview I posted was granted by an Edo son, and not a Yoruba. https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/amp
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by prolog2: 11:36am On Nov 09|
pazienza:And your point being ? I I don't have time for trolls who seem to live on nairaland. By the way, there is no such thing as Edo son, my people are called Edo. I saw you on that igbo pilitical topic and I noticed you were claiming parts of Edo-state and Delta-state for your Biafra, I guess this is your strategy to achieve that. You intend to create division amongst Edo by spreading Yoruba propaganda, the ethnicity of the interviewed person is totally irrelevant.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by Favor99(m): 11:37am On Nov 09|
What’s this your agenda of yours to drive away people from touring Benin City?
You seemed very pained to see positive news make front page about Benin/Edo
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|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by prolog2: 11:43am On Nov 09|
dederocs:he knows and he spreads this on purpose because he is an Igbo who dreams of Biafra 2.0. He wants to claim parts of Benin Kingdom for his Biafra and he believes spreading Yoruba propaganda against our Oba will help him achieve his dreams.
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|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by jieta: 12:39pm On Nov 09|
BarristerAlarig:Is that why your city is filled with mud house and shirine?
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 12:42pm On Nov 09|
What's this supposed to mean?
Ogiame people are claiming that the current Oba dynasty of Bini, is a Yoruba one, as we(outsiders) already suspected. Rather than pick up your grievances with Ogiame, you are here barking at the wrong tree.
The ethnicity of Ogiame people are Relevant, since you claim that those who posit that Oba dynasty of Bini is a Yoruba rooted one, are non Edos looking for trouble.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 12:45pm On Nov 09|
Ogiso and Ogiamien are Aborigine Binis while Oba Of Benin is of Yoruba descent High Chief Esotericist Monday Wehere
By Gabriel Omonhinmin
The time was 9 . 30 a . m. on Tuesday , February 20 , 2018 , when my phone rang . The voice on the other end was emphatic: “ Mr . Omonhinmin , is The Guardian no longer known for its fairness, equity and justice in matters concerning all Nigerians ? The Ogiso dynasty, which is today known as the Ogiamien of Utantan , Igodomigodo in Benin has existed for over 300 years before the coming of Oba Eweka 1 of Benin .
Why are you deliberately refusing to listen to our case ? Why do you treat matters concerning other palaces across the country so seriously, but you are not ready to listen to the Great Ogiamien Royal family of Utantan in Bini ?
Palace Watch was dumfounded over these grievous allegations and could hardly speak. After a while , I asked who it was and why the allegations ? The voice at the other end responded: “ I am High Chief Esotericist Monday Wehere, JP , Director of Information And External Affairs of the Great Ogiamien Royal Family of Utantan , Igodomigodo in Edo State . ”
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 12:46pm On Nov 09|
But I once sent you a text message requesting for an interview on this matter . Have we ever met ?
No . But we have been reading and following your report of palaces across the country. We have also made several attempts to reach you , but you would not listen to our case . Hence , the accusation …
So , what is your side of the story ?
That is exactly what we want . We are not afraid of them. If you must know , the events that have been taking place in Benin kingdom after the passage of the immediate past Oba of Benin and the eventual coronation of this present Oba of Benin Kingdom without recourse to the Great Ogiamen Royal Family are strange to Benin culture and tradition . What is happening now in Benin Kingdom as regards the Oba of Benin stool is strange and difficult for many Binis to comprehend .
This is the first time in the history of Benin Kingdom that the death and burial of an oba , together with the installation and coronation of a new one , were conducted in utmost secrecy , when they decided to by - pass all the people who were supposed to be part of these processes .
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by prolog2: 12:46pm On Nov 09|
pazienza:troll shut the fvck up, I know what you are up to and I am unimpressed. Your biafran utopia will never come to be. Spreading Yoruba propaganda will not help you. By the way, the latest Yoruba propaganda is that Igbo migrated from ife. Please promote that as well. Don't expect any more reply from me, nairaland is full with trolls and I have a real life to live.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 12:46pm On Nov 09|
Is it fair for you to say the coronation of Oba Ewuare II was done in secret ?
You might not know , but there were so many processes that were not observed before that particular coronation . Before I continue, I would want you to first speak with His Imperial Majesty , Rich Arisco Osemwengie , JP , the Ogiamien Of Utantan Igodomigodo nations .
Your Majesty , what is the bone of contention between the Ogiamen Royal Family and the Oba of Benin?
Ogiamien of Utantan : The Great Ogiamien Royal Family of Utantan in Bini is a distinct ruling family from the Oba of Benin Kingdom . Before now , this has been very clear to all, and there have never been any reason (s ) to contest this position. In one of the letters the late Oba of Benin Erediauwa , sent to us , signed by Mr . Frank Erabor , who is the Secretary to the Benin Traditional Council (BTC) , the Ogiamien ’ s Royal Family position with the Oba of Benin was made very clear .
The point of disagreement arose , when we got to know that the late Oba Erediauwa used his clout in 1979 to connive with a military governor of the then Bendel State , who knows nothing about Bini history, to secretly repeal an edict that recognised the Ogiamien Royal Family as a ruling house from Benin kingdom without Ogiamien Royal Family members knowing about this dangerous act .
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 12:48pm On Nov 09|
Surprisingly , when I was installed as the Ogiamien in 2015 , I was arrested alongside the Oliha of Ogiamien , who performed my installation rites and detained in the police headquarters in Benin . We were charged to court and remanded in Oko Prison in Benin .
This was done without allowing us bail. To our utter surprise , the judge said he would “ look into our bail conditions after two weeks . ” This was the extent they went to humiliate us for not committing any crime than ascending the throne of my ancestors. I spent almost two months in the prison. This is the summary of our disagreement .
And to add salt to injury , the current oba refused to recognise us as the Ogiamien of Bini , just because of the edict his late father secretly repealed in 1979 . So , before his supposed ascension to the throne as Oba of Benin , he deliberately refused to perform the traditional ceremony between the Ogiamien Royal Family and any incoming Oba.
This same ceremony was performed by his late father before becoming the oba . We are not in any way interested or contesting to become the Oba of Benin . The Oba of Benin is different from the Ogiamien of Utantan , Igodomigodo .
For the record , the Ogiamiten of Utantan are the original owners of Benin Kingdom ; they are the Ogisos . The Ogiamien Royal Family has been in existence since the year 900 AD until 1200 AD , when the then ruling Ogiamien leased part of the Igodomigodo land to Oba Eweka 1 , as a result of the treaty at Ekiokpagha , which led to the leasing of half of the Igodomigodo land to the then Oba of Benin . All the documents of lease from Oba Eweka 1 to the immediate past Oba of Benin are in our custody
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by prolog2: 12:53pm On Nov 09|
I must have really damaged this troll (pazienza) in the "pan-igbo" political forum in which he was trying to brainwash our Anioma brothers into believing they are not Edo. Jeez, I hit him so hard that he is now full time on nairaland in Edo topics trying to spread Yoruba propaganda against our king and create division amongst us and perhaps get some revenge. Biafran bastard you have been spotted.
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|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 1:03pm On Nov 09|
We had to apply for a variation of bail in the Benin High Court . This was how we were able to secure our freedom from their arm - twisting tactics. The Ogiamien Royal Family had to challenge my arrest and the appropriateness of the edict they secretly repealed .
As we speak , the Oba and his people are not contesting the legality of our claims as the Ogiamien Royal Family . What they have been advancing is that it is too late for us to begin to ask for our right , even when it is clear to all that we got to know of their illegality very late , and the court has told them that it is not too late for us to ask for our right , that we have a case . This is where we are now.
High Chief Esotericist Monday Wehere, JP explained further : “What is today known as Benin Kingdom started as Igodomigodo nine centuries ago . It was founded by Ogiso Igodo and it existed for 300 years before King Orominyan of Ife invaded Benin . During that invasion , Orominyan fought without any success . Before then , Orominyan came to Benin with a strategy. He brought a large number of Yoruba men into Benin long before the proper expedition . These men went into relationships with our daughters who started having children for them. By the time Orominyan came to attack Benin in 11 th Century , the number of the Yoruba - born children was high . In spite of this , however , he still failed in his attack .
When Orominyan was returning to Ile - Ife without achieving his aim , as one of the strategies they invented , he deliberately impregnated a princess , the daughter of an “Enigie” – duke or king in Benin under the then Ogiso . The princess ’ name was Elimide. He left her behind before returning to Ife . It was Princess Elimide that gave birth to the first Oba of Benin , Oba Eweka 1 , who , after becoming an adult, was invited back to Ile - Ife , alongside other children they had secretly produced through our daughters without our knowing their game - plan .
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by BarristerAlarig: 1:05pm On Nov 09|
Go and pass WAEC.. And stop disgracing yourself.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 1:07pm On Nov 09|
Up till today , they still live in a place called Yoruba Quarters in Benin City . It was at that Ile - Ife meeting, which had Eweka in attendance that these children were told the reasons they were given birth to in Benin , that it was Oba Orominyan ’ s desire to use them to overthrow the then Ogiso Erebo and his dynasty, which was then known as Igodomigodo .
They were all made to swear to an oath never to betray Eweka, who was to become the Oba of Benin , if they eventually succeeded .
Expectedly , this particular war was protracted as many people died on both sides . The carnage was much . It was , however , difficult for the then Ogiso to use extra force , as he felt his grandchildren were being used in the war . He kept saying the children being used by the Oba to prosecute his war were children of Benin daughters , even though they were now supporting their father ’ s side to fight the Ogiso .
It was at this point a truce was called . As there were no victor and no vanquished, Ogiso Erebo was told there was no way this large number of children born by Benin women for Yoruba men could be repatriated , since they had already been integrated into the heart of Igodomigodo . He was told the only way to maintain peace was for him to divide Igodomigodo into two kingdoms . Let the oba take a part, while he would hold on to the other part.
It was a very difficult thing for Ogiso Erebo to accept , but after much persuasion , he realised that he had to accept this very difficult condition . So , he divided Igodomigodo into two parts . This was how Oba Eweka 1 became an oba in that part of Igodomigodo now known as Benin Kingdom . Ogiso took the other part now known as Utantan .
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 1:09pm On Nov 09|
There was an agreement then known as Ekiokpagha Treaty , which was signed by Oba Eweka 1 and Ogiso Erebo . In that treaty , eight conditions were given that must not be breached by either side. One aspect of that treaty stipulates : “ I am giving you Oba Eweka 1 this half of Igodomigodo on lease and not sold to you in any way From time to time , you should go to my children to renew the lease agreement anytime there is a vacancy in the Oba ’ s stool . ”
Another condition is that under any circumstances, the Oba’ s army will never come to harass the Ogiso’ s army.
The third condition is that neither the Oba nor the Ogiso will ever have cause to marry from each other ’ s family . Another condition is that Ogiso children will never kneel down to worship the Oba of Benin . The sixth condition is that anytime the Oba is coming to re - enact the treaty , he would bring a cow alongside other items .
It was this condition the present Oba refused to fulfil before ascending the throne . The treaty was sealed with a death penalty – that any person from both sides who violate these conditions would be put to death .
When Palace Watch contacted Frank Erabor , secretary to the BTC, he directed us to the Esogban of Benin ; Chief David Edebiri , whom he said was the right person to speak on the matter . Chief Edebiri , however , declined to comment , saying, “ There are several aspects of the Ogiamien issue in court and with the police , but that they may react appropriately if necessary . ”
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 1:23pm On Nov 09|
In African societies where written histories are hard to come by, while oral histories are malevolently distorted for politico-economic reasons. Linguistics can give a good unbiased clue about events of the past.
Oba as a word is not Edoid. It's Yoruboid, this is true because in all Edoid groups, the proto Edo word for King is Ogie/Ovie/Ojie and never Oba, even as far away as Urhobo and Isoko to the East of Edo, and to Akoko Ondo ( where we have pockets of Edoid people), the original word for King in Edo/Edoid speaking realm is Ogie/Ovie/Ojie, and never Oba, just as Eze is the original word for King in all Igbo/Igboid speaking realm, from Igbanke in Edo state, to Isobo in Obubra Cross River state, and from IGBO Eze North of Enugu State, to Ikwerre of Rivers state, it's still "Eze", these tell better True stories than concocted 21st century stories, as well as distorted oral histories passed down by ancestors with their own agenda.
I totally believe the Ogieamien story about the current Oba dynasty of Bini being a Yoruba one. I'm sure that honest Edo people know this too in their inner most of hearts. What I don't understand is why they are not backing the Ogieamien to reclaim their throne. Could this be because most of them, especially the Enogies are now stooges of the Oba, and owe their very sustenance to him, therefore would rather maintain the status quo, while for the commoners, it's all about their ego, as it would to psychologically traumatizing for Edo commoners to admit that their revered Oba, was indeed a Yoruba imposition on them.
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by pazienza(m): 1:27pm On Nov 09|
Why are you shying away from helping your Ogie, the Ogiemien, get rid of Yoruba current dynasty in Biniland?
Don't you think it's unfair How all of you Bini people have abandoned him for the Yoruba current Oba dynasty?
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by KanwuliaExtra: 1:38pm On Nov 09|
Metaphorical UGLINESS Supremo!
Na so the pipo mind be.
Awon “etin-osa etin-osa”!
|Re: Ring Road, Benin-city: See The Works Of Art That Adorn This City Center (PHOTOS) by lexy2014: 2:18pm On Nov 09|
Which people are u referring to? Who are those that are progressing?
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