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Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by Abdulgaffar22: 3:20pm On Dec 06
It is an indisputable fact that Qur’an came after the Bible. Therefore, if the Jew and the Christians sincerely and truthfully believe in Qur’an as the last and final word of God sent to the generality of human being, then they must have no option other than to accept Islam and become Muslims. But if the Jews and Christians insist that the original author of Qur’an is not God, then they must compulsorily believe its author to be a great impersonator who spoke IN THE NAME OF GOD. This is because Qur’an contains many verses which appear to be coming directly from God's mouth. Examples of such verses are as follows;



“O children of Israel! Remember My special favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. And believe in what I have sent down ( i:e this Qur’an) confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to reject it, nor sell My verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone (Qur’an 2:40-41)”.


And that was Our proof which We gave to Abraham against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing. And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob, each of them We guided. And before him We guided Noah, and among his progeny David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good doers. And Zachariah, and John and Jesus and Elias, all in the ranks of the righteous. And Ishmael and Elisha, and Jonah and Lot; each one of them We preferred above the nations. And also some of their fathers, and their progeny and their brethren, We chose them, and We guided them to a straight path. This is the guidance of God with which He guides whomsoever He wills of His servants. But if they had joined in worship others with God, all their deeds would have been of no benefit to them. They are whom We gave the book, and authority and prophet hood…They are those whom God had guided. So follow their guidance (Qur’an 6:84-90).

O My servants who believe! Certainly, My earth is spacious. Therefore worship Me and Me alone. Every soul shall have a taste of death. Then to Us you shall be brought back (Qur’an 29:56-57).

When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close to them. I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he called on Me. Therefore, let them also obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be walked in the right way (Qur’an 2:186).

We did not send before you (O Muhammad-pbuh) any messenger but We inspired him that there isno God beside Me; therefore worship Me (Qur’an 21:25)

These are just few verses selected randomly from the pages of the Holy Qur’an. You can see that almost all of the first person pronouns like “I”, “My”, “Me”, “Our”, “Us” and “We” in all the verses of Qur’an quoted above can never be referred CONTEXTUALLY to any other person except God of Israel. Therefore, it is a statement of truth that Qur'an speaks "IN THE NAME OF GOD". Hence, any Christian or Jew who denies the Qur’an as the word of God must compulsorily believe its author to be a great impersonator of God. This is the first point that I want all reasonable Christians and Jews to admit. It is either you believe in Qur’an as the word of God or you believe in it as the word of a great liar that impersonates God. There is no third alternative.


But do you think the God of truth and wisdom would allow any deliberate liar to impersonate Him and then also allow such impersonator to praise all the Biblical prophets in the way the author of Qur’an has done? Is it possible for an impersonator and deliberate liar against God to be the author of those noble verses of Qur’an cited above especially when we call to mind that the first set of people the Qur’an was admonishing were idol worshippers living in ancient Mecca? Has God ever sent a liar to impersonate Him in order to guide the people who were in error to the right path?


Besides, how could God have left such a great liar and His impersonator to survive for good twenty- three years and also allow his book to be protected from destruction since one thousand four hundred and forty years ago till today? The reason why God permit the other religions like Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Sikhism (etc) and their scriptures to exist is because their founders only stood out as spiritual teachers. They never claim that their scriptures came from God of Israel. Their scriptures do not contain words which appear to be COMING DIRECTLY FROM GOD'S MOUTH OF ISRAEL. But Qur’an is totally different. Qur’an contains many verses which appear to be coming directly from God’s mouth of Israel . Examples are quoted above. So Qur’an is unique in its claim as being the word of God.


God Almighty may allow anybody to write or speak about Him as you may also allow your friend to write or speak about you. But if you as a TRUTHFUL person would never allow your friend- talk less of your enemy- to impersonate you in order to deceive some innocent people, then why do you think God, who is MORE TRUTHFUL than you, would allow such a thing to happen to Him especially when God declare as follows; How can I let myself to be defamed? I will not yield My glory to another (Isaiah 48:11). Please read those verses of Qur'an cited at the beginning again and again. Has God not let Himself to be defamed if He allowed a deliberate liar to impersonate Him in such a REASONABLE and PERFECT manner? Has God not yielded His glory to another if He allowed a deliberate liar to impersonate Him and also allow such impersonator to PRAISE ALL THE BIBLICAL PROPHETS in the way the author of Qur'an has done and then still allow the word of such impersonator to be safe-guarded from destruction since 1,440 years ago till today as exactly prophesied in Qur’an 15:9: “Surely, We have revealed the reminder ((i:e the Qur’an) and We will most surely be its guardian”.
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by Abdulgaffar22: 3:24pm On Dec 06
Even if we assume that God Almighty, in His infinite wisdom, deliberately allowed the word of so-called impersonator to be protected from destruction in order to serve as a test for the true believers , then God should have pre informed us and warned us about this great impersonator in the Bible just like Jesus informed us about his own impersonation:
Take heed that no man deceive you. For MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, saying; I am the Christ; and shall deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5)….....“Then if ANYONE says here is Christ or there, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if ANYONE tells you; Christ is out in the wilderness, do not go out; or Christ is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT (Matthew 24:23-26).

See how Jesus declared in an unambiguous terms that MANY LIARS WOULD IMPERSONATE HIM and therefore asked us NOT TO BELIEVE ANYONE ( WITHOUT EXCEPTION) that says he saw Jesus Christ . If this is the case, how then can we be completely sure that the BRIGHT LIGHT from heaven that flashed around Paul on his road to Damascus ( see Acts 22:6-9) was true Jesus Christ and not one of the liars that would impersonate him ? Yet the same Paul wrote almost half of the books found in the New Testament. See the foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected!

However, you can never find a single biblical verse where God of Israel categorically inform us and foretell that a great liar is going to impersonate Him.

Instead of foretelling and pre- informing us about His own impersonation by a great liar, God only informed us about “a prophet like Moses” which God would put His words in his mouth;
"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in My name, I Myself will call him into account. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, THAT SAME PROPHET SHALL DIE. And if you say in your heart; How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is the word the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:18-22)".

Base on these very verses, what then can we say about the Qur’an whose author spoke in the name of the Lord of Israel as shown in the verses of Qur'an quoted above? Are we going to accept it as the word of the Lord of Israel or reject it as the word of a great impersonator?
In the verses of the Deuteronomy quoted just above, the only acid test put forward by God to distinguish His actual word from the word of a liar that impersonates Him is that the word of such an impersonator would not come to pass or come true. But Qur’an contains many words of prophecy which have come to pass and come true. For example, one of the great prophecies is that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be victorious over his enemies (Qur’an 58:20-21). Another prophecy is that Islam will be established and continue to spread, and the number of Muslims will continue to grow (Qur’an 24:55, 110:1-2, 48:28). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be protected from destruction (Qur’an 15:9). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be made easy for memorization (Qur’an 54:17, 22, 40). Another prophecy is that people will continue to pay visitation to the house of God in Mecca (Qur’an 22:26-28, 2:125). All these prophecies are known to be true.

Again, instead of fortelling and pre-informing us about the so-called liar that is going to impersonate Him in the nearest future, God only demonstrated to us, through His dealing with Hananiah (the false prophet who spoke in the name of God in the Bible), that He would never allow a false prophet to impersonate Him reasonably and perfectly for a long period of time;
Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, ‘Listen, Hananiah! The Lord has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation to trust in lies. Therefore this is what the Lord says: I am about to remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to die, because you have preached rebellion against the Lord. In the seventh month of that same year, Hananiah the prophet died (Jeremiah 28:15-17).
You will notice that what happened to Hananiah (i:e untimely death) is exactly what God has already foretold about “a false prophet who impersonates and speaks in the name of God” as written in the book of Deuteronomy cited above; But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, THAT SAME PROPHET SHALL DIE (Deuteronomy 18:20)".

Therefore, if God of Israel did not even allow Hananiah to live for just a year, then how could He have allowed the supposed author of Qur’an to impersonate Him reasonably and perfectly for good 23 years?

1. God allowed the author of Qur'an to impersonate Him reasonably and perfectly for good 23 years.
2. God also allowed the Qur’an to be protected from destruction since 1440 years ago till today.
3. God also allowed all the Qur'anic prophecies mentioned above to be fulfilled.
4. God did not pre-inform us in the Bible that a great liar is going to impersonate Him.
This simply shows that the real author of Qur’an is God Himself, not an impersonator of God as the Jews and the Christians want us to believe.
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by enilove(m): 4:15pm On Dec 06
Abdulgaffar22:
Even if we assume that God Almighty, in His infinite wisdom, deliberately allowed the word of so-called impersonator to be protected from destruction in order to serve as a test for the true believers , then God should have pre informed us and warned us about this great impersonator in the Bible just like Jesus informed us about his own impersonation:
Take heed that no man deceive you. For MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, saying; I am the Christ; and shall deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5)….....“Then if ANYONE says here is Christ or there, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if ANYONE tells you; Christ is out in the wilderness, do not go out; or Christ is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT (Matthew 24:23-26).

See how Jesus declared in an unambiguous terms that MANY LIARS WOULD IMPERSONATE HIM and therefore asked us NOT TO BELIEVE ANYONE ( WITHOUT EXCEPTION) that says he saw Jesus Christ . If this is the case, how then can we be completely sure that the BRIGHT LIGHT from heaven that flashed around Paul on his road to Damascus ( see Acts 22:6-9) was true Jesus Christ and not one of the liars that would impersonate him ? Yet the same Paul wrote almost half of the books found in the New Testament. See the foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected!

However, you can never find a single biblical verse where God of Israel categorically inform us and foretell that a great liar is going to impersonate Him.

Instead of foretelling and pre- informing us about His own impersonation by a great liar, God only informed us about “a prophet like Moses” which God would put His words in his mouth;
"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in My name, I Myself will call him into account. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, THAT SAME PROPHET SHALL DIE. And if you say in your heart; How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is the word the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:18-22)".

Base on these very verses, what then can we say about the Qur’an whose author spoke in the name of the Lord of Israel as shown in the verses of Qur'an quoted above? Are we going to accept it as the word of the Lord of Israel or reject it as the word of a great impersonator?
In the verses of the Deuteronomy quoted just above, the only acid test put forward by God to distinguish His actual word from the word of a liar that impersonates Him is that the word of such an impersonator would not come to pass or come true. But Qur’an contains many words of prophecy which have come to pass and come true. For example, one of the great prophecies is that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be victorious over his enemies (Qur’an 58:20-21). Another prophecy is that Islam will be established and continue to spread, and the number of Muslims will continue to grow (Qur’an 24:55, 110:1-2, 48:28). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be protected from destruction (Qur’an 15:9). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be made easy for memorization (Qur’an 54:17, 22, 40). Another prophecy is that people will continue to pay visitation to the house of God in Mecca (Qur’an 22:26-28, 2:125). All these prophecies are known to be true.

Again, instead of fortelling and pre-informing us about the so-called liar that is going to impersonate Him in the nearest future, God only demonstrated to us, through His dealing with Hananiah (the false prophet who spoke in the name of God in the Bible), that He would never allow a false prophet to impersonate Him reasonably and perfectly for a long period of time;
Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, ‘Listen, Hananiah! The Lord has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation to trust in lies. Therefore this is what the Lord says: I am about to remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to die, because you have preached rebellion against the Lord. In the seventh month of that same year, Hananiah the prophet died (Jeremiah 28:15-17).
You will notice that what happened to Hananiah (i:e untimely death) is exactly what God has already foretold about “a false prophet who impersonates and speaks in the name of God” as written in the book of Deuteronomy cited above; But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, THAT SAME PROPHET SHALL DIE (Deuteronomy 18:20)".

Therefore, if God of Israel did not even allow Hananiah to live for just a year, then how could He have allowed the supposed author of Qur’an to impersonate Him reasonably and perfectly for good 23 years?

1. God allowed the author of Qur'an to impersonate Him reasonably and perfectly for good 23 years.
2. God also allowed the Qur’an to be protected from destruction since 1440 years ago till today.
3. God also allowed all the Qur'anic prophecies mentioned above to be fulfilled.
4. God did not pre-inform us in the Bible that a great liar is going to impersonate Him.
This simply shows that the real author of Qur’an is God Himself, not an impersonator of God as the Jews and the Christians want us to believe.


The deception of Satan did not start with Muhammad , it started from the time of Adam . And deception is deception , no matter the form.

The question you should have asked yourself was why did God allow Satan to be decieving mankind since the time of Adam and did not do anything to destroy those people whom Satan used as agent , and is still using till date ?

Impersonation is not a big crime against God as Satan calling God a liar , because by THEIR FRUITS AND NAMES YOU SHALL KNOW THEM.

THE FRUITS OF ISLAM ARE HATRED , VIOLENCE , SHEDDING OF INNOCENT BLOOD UNNECESSARILY , IDOLATRY .

AND THE NAME OF THE GOD OF ISLAM IS " ALLAH /ALLAT ".

It is there4 easy for those who wants to serve the true God to know that Islam is not of God .
THAT WAS WHY GOD ALLOW THEM ( Arabs/ Muslims ) TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THEIR IDOL MONOTHEISTICALLY.

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Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by jom28gy(m): 4:38pm On Dec 06
Point of correction, he is never God, of Israel, But God,to whosever will accept him
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by enilove(m): 5:01pm On Dec 06
Abdulgaffar22:
It is an indisputable fact that Qur’an came after the Bible. Therefore, if the Jew and the Christians sincerely and truthfully believe in Qur’an as the last and final word of God sent to the generality of human being, then they must have no option other than to accept Islam and become Muslims. But if the Jews and Christians insist that the original author of Qur’an is not God, then they must compulsorily believe its author to be a great impersonator who spoke IN THE NAME OF GOD. This is because Qur’an contains many verses which appear to be coming directly from God's mouth. Examples of such verses

God Almighty may allow anybody to write or speak about Him as you may also allow your friend to write or speak about you. But if you as a TRUTHFUL person would never allow your friend- talk less of your enemy- to impersonate you in order to deceive some innocent people, then why do you think God, who is MORE TRUTHFUL than you, would allow such a thing to happen to Him especially when God declare as follows; How can I let myself to be defamed? I will not yield My glory to another (Isaiah 48:11). Please read those verses of Qur'an cited at the beginning again and again. Has God not let Himself to be defamed if He allowed a deliberate liar to impersonate Him in such a REASONABLE and PERFECT manner? Has God not yielded His glory to another if He allowed a deliberate liar to impersonate Him and also allow such impersonator to PRAISE ALL THE BIBLICAL PROPHETS in the way the author of Qur'an has done and then still allow the word of such impersonator to be safe-guarded from destruction since 1,440 years ago till today as exactly prophesied in Qur’an 15:9: “Surely, We have revealed the reminder ((i:e the Qur’an) and We will most surely be its guardian”.


You asked , why did God allow Satan to impersonate Him REASONABLY AND PERFECTLY ?
Because it made mention of the prophets in the Bible & because he claims to be the same God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel .

To me that is no perfection. Anybody can impersonate anyone. But the WISE will ask reasonable question to identify/ reveal the true identity of the person behind the mask.

When God told Moses to go and deliver the Israelites from bondage , Moses told God to give him a sign so that the Israelites could believe him :

Exodus 4:1-9 KJV
And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The Lord hath not appeared unto thee.
[2] And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.
[3] And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.
[4] And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:
[5] That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.
[6] And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
[7] And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.
[8] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.
[9] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land : and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land .

BUT WHAT SIGN DID THE ARABS ASK FROM MUHAMMAD AS EVIDENCE OF THE DIVINITY OF THE GOD WHO APPEARED TO HIM IN THE CAVE ?
Nothing ! This was their folly .

because of their lack of wisdom , Muhammad had to kill and forced them to hell in order to have his ways .


MY QUESTION TO YOU IS , HAVE YOU ASKED GOD , YOUR CREATOR , FOR A SIGN AS PER ISLAM ,TO KNOW WHO THE ORIGINATOR IS ?

Matthew 7:7 KJV
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Matthew 7:8 KJV
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by enilove(m): 5:59pm On Dec 06
Op , stop being decieved , Islam is a lie .

For example :

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 163:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "If anyone of you performs ablution he should put water in his nose and then blow it out and whoever cleans his private parts with STONES should do so with odd numbers. And whoever wakes up from his sleep should wash his hands before putting them in the water for ablution, because nobody knows where his hands were during sleep."

HOW CAN MUHAMMAD EXPECT A WOMAN TO WASH HER PRIVATE PART WITH STONES?

Does the washing or ablution cleanses from sin which comes from the heart ?
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by enilove(m): 8:12pm On Dec 06
Op , all muslims shall suffer in hell :

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man will be left between Hell and Paradise and he will be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell, and will say, 'O Allah! Turn my face from the fire as its wind has dried me and its steam has burnt me.' Allah will ask him, "

PLS , LEAVE THIS RELIGION SO THAT YOU DON'T PERISH IN HELL.

GOD BLESS YOU.
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by Abdulgaffar22: 7:45am On Dec 07
Jesus' original statements are as follow;

"I was sent ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL(Matthew 15:24)"

“Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL(Matthew 10:5-6)"

"Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL(Matthew 19:28)"
It is crystal clear from all these verses that Jesus and his apostles were sent ONLY to the Israelites i:e the Jews.


However, Christians usually proclaim that command of NOT preaching to the Gentiles was later cancelled and replaced by the new command of preaching to all the nations of the world just before Jesus ascended to heaven as the verse below indicate;

" Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19 )".

In this very verse, Jesus asked the apostles to
carry out TWO great assignments;
1.To preach to all the nations of the world.
2.To baptize the people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit

But AFTER Jesus'departure, did apostles and the other disciples under their authority really act on these two commands ?

The following verses show that the apostles and the other disciples did not carry out the first command. In fact, they find it very difficult to visit the Gentiles talkless of preaching to them. See the evidence below;

Acts 10:28 NIV: Peter said to them (i:e some of the Gentiles that asked Peter to come ): “You are well aware that it is AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean".

Acts 11:2-3 NLT: "But when Peter arrived back in Jerusalem, THE JEWISH BELIEVERS CRITICIZED HIM; “YOU ENTERED THE HOME OF THE GENTILES AND EVEN ATE WITH THEM!”


The fact that other Jewish believers in Christ criticized Peter on his arrival back to Jerusalem ON THE SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES help us to know that Peter knew what he was saying when he said "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. (Acts 10:28).

Acts 11:19 NKJV: "Now those who were scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, PREACHING THE WORD TO NO ONE BUT THE JEWS ONLY".

Galatians 2:7-9 NLT: "Instead, they saw that God had given me( Paul) the responsibility of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as he had given Peter the responsibility of PREACHING TO THE JEWS. For the same God who worked through Peter as the APOSTLE TO THE JEWS also worked through me(Paul) as the apostle to the Gentiles. In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, WHILE THEY CONTINUED THEIR WORKS WITH THE JEWS."


Have you now seen that original apostles of Jesus did NOT really act on the first command of preaching to all the nations. The work of christianizing the Gentiles was MAJORLY carried out by Paul and his colleagues; not by the original apostles of Jesus Christ who spent most of their time in Jerusalem.

Some Christians want to argue that the reason why Peter said:"YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE(Acts 10:28)" is because Peter and other apostles find it difficult to discard the Jewish custom of not associating and visiting the Gentiles. However,the fact that Peter responded positively to that VISION and departed with those gentiles on the following day (see Acts 10:29) is an evidence that he never find it difficult to discard this Jewish custom. Again, it is not possible for the apostles and disciples of Jesus to give PREFERENCE for mere Jewish custom OVER a great and important command from their Master.

What actually preventing them was the command of "NOT PREACHING TO THE GENTILES" in Matthew 10:5-6 and the fact that Jesus told them CATEGORICALLY that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel( Matthew15:24).

What about the second command of baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

Again, see the evidence against this command;
Then peter said to them, repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS (Acts 8:16).

So peter ordered them to be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS, the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for three days (Acts 10:48).


If “Matthew 28:19” is true and Jesus did command his apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, then why would apostles go against this command and baptize only in Jesus name ?

As you can see, the original apostles of Jesus did NOT act on the two great commands contained in Matthew 28:19.
Do you know the reason why ?
Matthew 28:19 and other verses like it DID NOT EVER COME OUT from Jesus'mouth.

What evidece is greater than this to prove that the concept of Trinity was not known to Jesus and his apostles and that Jesus never asked the apostles to preach to all nations ?
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by Originakalokalo(m): 8:50am On Dec 07
Abdulgaffar22:
Jesus' original statements are as follow;

"I was sent ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL(Matthew 15:24)"

“Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL(Matthew 10:5-6)"

"Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL(Matthew 19:28)"
It is crystal clear from all these verses that Jesus and his apostles were sent ONLY to the Israelites i:e the Jews.


However, Christians usually proclaim that command of NOT preaching to the Gentiles was later cancelled and replaced by the new command of preaching to all the nations of the world just before Jesus ascended to heaven as the verse below indicate;

" Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19 )".

In this very verse, Jesus asked the apostles to
carry out TWO great assignments;
1.To preach to all the nations of the world.
2.To baptize the people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit

But AFTER Jesus'departure, did apostles and the other disciples under their authority really act on these two commands ?

The following verses show that the apostles and the other disciples did not carry out the first command. In fact, they find it very difficult to visit the Gentiles talkless of preaching to them. See the evidence below;

Acts 10:28 NIV: Peter said to them (i:e some of the Gentiles that asked Peter to come ): “You are well aware that it is AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean".

Acts 11:2-3 NLT: "But when Peter arrived back in Jerusalem, THE JEWISH BELIEVERS CRITICIZED HIM; “YOU ENTERED THE HOME OF THE GENTILES AND EVEN ATE WITH THEM!”


The fact that other Jewish believers in Christ criticized Peter on his arrival back to Jerusalem ON THE SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES help us to know that Peter knew what he was saying when he said "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. (Acts 10:28).

Acts 11:19 NKJV: "Now those who were scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, PREACHING THE WORD TO NO ONE BUT THE JEWS ONLY".

Galatians 2:7-9 NLT: "Instead, they saw that God had given me( Paul) the responsibility of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as he had given Peter the responsibility of PREACHING TO THE JEWS. For the same God who worked through Peter as the APOSTLE TO THE JEWS also worked through me(Paul) as the apostle to the Gentiles. In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, WHILE THEY CONTINUED THEIR WORKS WITH THE JEWS."


Have you now seen that original apostles of Jesus did NOT really act on the first command of preaching to all the nations. The work of christianizing the Gentiles was MAJORLY carried out by Paul and his colleagues; not by the original apostles of Jesus Christ who spent most of their time in Jerusalem.

Some Christians want to argue that the reason why Peter said:"YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE(Acts 10:28)" is because Peter and other apostles find it difficult to discard the Jewish custom of not associating and visiting the Gentiles. However,the fact that Peter responded positively to that VISION and departed with those gentiles on the following day (see Acts 10:29) is an evidence that he never find it difficult to discard this Jewish custom. Again, it is not possible for the apostles and disciples of Jesus to give PREFERENCE for mere Jewish custom OVER a great and important command from their Master.

What actually preventing them was the command of "NOT PREACHING TO THE GENTILES" in Matthew 10:5-6 and the fact that Jesus told them CATEGORICALLY that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel( Matthew15:24).

What about the second command of baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

Again, see the evidence against this command;
Then peter said to them, repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS (Acts 8:16).

So peter ordered them to be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS, the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for three days (Acts 10:48).


If “Matthew 28:19” is true and Jesus did command his apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, then why would apostles go against this command and baptize only in Jesus name ?

As you can see, the original apostles of Jesus did NOT act on the two great commands contained in Matthew 28:19.
Do you know the reason why ?
Matthew 28:19 and other verses like it DID NOT EVER COME OUT from Jesus'mouth.

What evidece is greater than this to prove that the concept of Trinity was not known to Jesus and his apostles and that Jesus never asked the apostles to preach to all nations ?







Now that the apostles have preached to the gentiles and billions of people have accepted,..

What are you going to do about it?

You're wasting your time by recycling what has been dealt with times without number...

..You have been told the truth. Accepting or rejecting it is your choice..

Peace.

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Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by enilove(m): 9:28am On Dec 07
Abdulgaffar22:
Jesus' original statements are as follow;

"I was sent ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL(Matthew 15:24)"

“Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL(Matthew 10:5-6)"

"Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL(Matthew 19:28)"
It is crystal clear from all these verses that Jesus and his apostles were sent ONLY to the Israelites i:e the Jews.


However, Christians usually proclaim that command of NOT preaching to the Gentiles was later cancelled and replaced by the new command of preaching to all the nations of the world just before Jesus ascended to heaven as the verse below indicate;

" Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19 )".

In this very verse, Jesus asked the apostles to
carry out TWO great assignments;
1.To preach to all the nations of the world.
2.To baptize the people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit

But AFTER Jesus'departure, did apostles and the other disciples under their authority really act on these two commands ?

The following verses show that the apostles and the other disciples did not carry out the first command. In fact, they find it very difficult to visit the Gentiles talkless of preaching to them. See the evidence below;

Acts 10:28 NIV: Peter said to them (i:e some of the Gentiles that asked Peter to come ): “You are well aware that it is AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean".

Acts 11:2-3 NLT: "But when Peter arrived back in Jerusalem, THE JEWISH BELIEVERS CRITICIZED HIM; “YOU ENTERED THE HOME OF THE GENTILES AND EVEN ATE WITH THEM!”


The fact that other Jewish believers in Christ criticized Peter on his arrival back to Jerusalem ON THE SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES help us to know that Peter knew what he was saying when he said "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. (Acts 10:28).

Acts 11:19 NKJV: "Now those who were scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, PREACHING THE WORD TO NO ONE BUT THE JEWS ONLY".

Galatians 2:7-9 NLT: "Instead, they saw that God had given me( Paul) the responsibility of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as he had given Peter the responsibility of PREACHING TO THE JEWS. For the same God who worked through Peter as the APOSTLE TO THE JEWS also worked through me(Paul) as the apostle to the Gentiles. In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, WHILE THEY CONTINUED THEIR WORKS WITH THE JEWS."


Have you now seen that original apostles of Jesus did NOT really act on the first command of preaching to all the nations. The work of christianizing the Gentiles was MAJORLY carried out by Paul and his colleagues; not by the original apostles of Jesus Christ who spent most of their time in Jerusalem.

Some Christians want to argue that the reason why Peter said:"YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE(Acts 10:28)" is because Peter and other apostles find it difficult to discard the Jewish custom of not associating and visiting the Gentiles. However,the fact that Peter responded positively to that VISION and departed with those gentiles on the following day (see Acts 10:29) is an evidence that he never find it difficult to discard this Jewish custom. Again, it is not possible for the apostles and disciples of Jesus to give PREFERENCE for mere Jewish custom OVER a great and important command from their Master.

What actually preventing them was the command of "NOT PREACHING TO THE GENTILES" in Matthew 10:5-6 and the fact that Jesus told them CATEGORICALLY that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel( Matthew15:24).

What about the second command of baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

Again, see the evidence against this command;
Then peter said to them, repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS (Acts 8:16).

So peter ordered them to be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS, the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for three days (Acts 10:48).


If “Matthew 28:19” is true and Jesus did command his apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, then why would apostles go against this command and baptize only in Jesus name ?

As you can see, the original apostles of Jesus did NOT act on the two great commands contained in Matthew 28:19.
Do you know the reason why ?
Matthew 28:19 and other verses like it DID NOT EVER COME OUT from Jesus'mouth.

What evidece is greater than this to prove that the concept of Trinity was not known to Jesus and his apostles and that Jesus never asked the apostles to preach to all nations ?





Are these not the words of Jesus ?

Matthew 24:11-14 KJV
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. [12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

STOP WASTING YOUR DIVINE OPPORTUNITIES , ACCEPT JESUS TODAY , DELAY OR DENIAL IS DANGEROUS .

Read these :

Acts 10:43 KJV
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

John 1:12 KJV
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

JESUS SAID IN :

John 3:17-18 KJV
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by enilove(m): 6:57pm On Dec 07
Op , it is a curse to be a slave. The devil is using Islam to curse all muslims .
Why do you believe that your earthly father loves you more than God ? Who really qualifies to be called a Father more than God ?

I am a child of God . You too can become one of His children
Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by Nazaretha1(m): 7:41pm On Dec 07
If Yahweh is the Islamic God, I wonder why Daniel would say that there would be a destructive desolation in his holy place after the death of the messiah in daniel 9 which the Lord also predicted in matthew 24?
The only object that is currently standing at the Second Temple location is the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the rock.
Also let's read Ezekiel 8:16
Then he brought me to the inner court of the LORD’s Temple. There, at the entrance to the LORD’s Temple, between the porch and the altar, were 25 men, with their backs toward the LORD’s Temple and facing the east, prostrating themselves to the sun.
When Muslims in Jerusalem pray, they pray facing the East, turning their backs on the Temple of the Jews that was destroyed during the Roman invasion that was also predicted in Daniel and by Jesus after the death of the Messiah that was precisely predicted by both Jesus and Daniel.
I can't but wonder why your place of worship would be reffered to as the destructive desolation standing in the holy place if you really are God's servants or children.
You can check the bible and history books for all these things if you think I'm just saying them to make detrimental statements about your religion.
I'm only saying what I say and have traced down history in the Bible.

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Re: Did God Of Israel Ever Foretell That A Great Liar Would Impersonate Him ? by enilove(m): 8:49pm On Dec 07
Nazaretha1:
If Yahweh is the Islamic God, I wonder why Daniel would say that there would be a destructive desolation in his holy place after the death of the messiah in daniel 9 which the Lord also predicted in matthew 24?
The only object that is currently standing at the Second Temple location is the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the rock.
Also let's read Ezekiel 8:16
Then he brought me to the inner court of the LORD’s Temple. There, at the entrance to the LORD’s Temple, between the porch and the altar, were 25 men, with their backs toward the LORD’s Temple and facing the east, prostrating themselves to the sun.
When Muslims in Jerusalem pray, they pray facing the East, turning their backs on the Temple of the Jews that was destroyed during the Roman invasion that was also predicted in Daniel and by Jesus after the death of the Messiah that was precisely predicted by both Jesus and Daniel.
I can't but wonder why your place of worship would be reffered to as the destructive desolation standing in the holy place if you really are God's servants or children.
You can check the bible and history books for all these things if you think I'm just saying them to make detrimental statements about your religion.
I'm only saying what I say and have traced down history in the Bible.


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