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If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 8:24am On Dec 30, 2018
There is currently a false gospel out there which says once you accept Jesus and you go back to sin, you will lose your salvation. They make is seem like you are the one who saved yourself, hence their talk of you losing your salvation. So many people believe in this garbage gospel which is leading them straight to hell fire. Such people have called God a liar.

The proponents of this counterfeit gospel love to use Judas Iscariot as an example that one can lose his salvation. But was Judas Iscariot ever saved? Let the Bible enlighten us on that. First of all, what is the criteria for having everlasting life? It is the believe in Jesus.


John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Remember what Paul and Silas told that prison keeper when he asked what he could do to be saved.

Acts 16:30-31
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

As seen above, the only way to be saved is by believing in Jesus as the saviour. Now, did Judas Iscariot believe in Jesus? No he didn't and wasn't the only disciple of Jesus who didn't believe in him (hope you know Jesus had other disciples asides the 12). Read the below passage to see how Jesus pointed them out including Judas Iscariot.

John 6:53-71
53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

As seen in verse 64, Jesus knew those disciples of his that believed not in him and the one who will betray him. In verse 65, many of such disciples left him and went their way because they didn't believe in him. This made Jesus to ask his special 12 disciples if they were also going to leave him.

John 6:67-71
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Notice how Peter answered saying that they are staying with Jesus because they believe he has the words of ETERNAL LIFE and that they BELIEVE he is Christ the Son of God. Remember how John 3:16 said those who believe in Jesus have eternal life.

In Peter's mind all the 12 disciples believed in Jesus, but it wasn't so in the eyes of Jesus who knew one of them didn't believe in him. See what he said below.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Clearly, Judas was never ever saved because he didn't believe in Jesus and he also was a devil as described by Jesus himself. So, for someone to sit somewhere and say Judas lost his salvation is the height of deceit.

Now, all those who believe they can lost their salvation are calling God a liar, and this clearly shows that they are not saved. They call God a liar by not believing in his record which he gave of his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You might say "oh, what is the record God gave of his Son?"
Just continue to the next verse because His stated what the record is.

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

One thing you need to know is that the moment you accept Jesus as your saviour and you believe in him, you immediately get the holy spirit who is the witness seen in verse 10 above. Then you immediately get eternal or everlasting life. Even John 3:16 says the same thing.

Now, how are people calling God a liar? They call God a liar by not believing the record that God has given us eternal life. They believe once you sin after accepting Jesus, you immediately lose your salvation which means you have lost the eternal life God gave you for believing in Jesus. If they believe you can lose that eternal life, then was it ever eternal at all? Eternal life means never ending and this is fully achieved upon the resurrection, but you have it now. So if someone tells you you can lose your salvation, that person is saying God lied when he said he gave you eternal life for believing in his son. You have eternal life and you are not condemned because you believe in Jesus.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

All those who believe sin can make you lose your salvation are not trusting in Jesus who has come to save us from our sins. They are trusting in their works of righteousness to save them. They are clearly going to hell fire for rejecting Jesus and trying to save themselves. Works can't save you, it is only the grave of God through faith/believe in Jesus that can save you.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Christ has taken upon himself our sins and transfered his righteousness to us. That is why we are eternally saved regardless of whether we live holy or not.

1 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The true gospel is so sweet and a good news because it states that even if you do no works of righteous but you believe in Jesus, you still will make heaven because your faith in God has made you righteous.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Brothers, if you have believed in the false doctrine that says you can lose your salvation, please now is the time to throw it away. Leave that false church which is selling that counterfeit gospel to you. Find a church which believes in eternal security, but first say the below prayer.

" Father, I believe your son Jesus Christ has come to save me from ny sins because I cannot save my save. I hold on to your word which says those who believe have eternal life. Accept me because I now believe in those words."..Amen.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by kingharzy(m): 8:45am On Dec 30, 2018
undecided
The truth as is, plain and beckoning on the wise to acknowledge. Thanks.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Redoil: 10:20am On Dec 30, 2018
May the almighty God gives ur the spiritual knowlegde to understand his words better

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by enilove(m): 11:11am On Dec 30, 2018
OP , you are not yet a christian but just a bible reader .

What did Jesus mean by this ?


John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God.

Why do people need repentance and be born again , since all they need is just to believe in the death of Jesus ?

What is the use for " repentance and being born again "?

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 11:41am On Dec 30, 2018
See bro, i know you are entitled to your opinion, and can call out any human beings as you deem fit to, but please i beg of you, regardless of what your intentions are, don't make such comments about God. For it's better you get on the wrong side of man, but never God. So if possible remove the name of God from that thread title or modify to not be as demeaning as it is to Him.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Hier(m): 3:38pm On Dec 30, 2018
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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Lirqur: 3:38pm On Dec 30, 2018
Pfft, Even as a Muslim, i know if you don't continue to walk on the straight part, you'll lose your salvation.

There's a reason why you have to continually hold on to Allah/Ilah(God).

Salaam.

Edited:

This is what i understood about the post. As a Muslim, i also believe that once you're saved, you're saved, but one musn't continue in sin which is the reason why it is said that we must continue to get closer to Allah/Ilah(God), and i believe getting close to Allah/Ilah(God) is the Christian equivalent of continuing to work your salvation. That is producing fruits of the spirit.

What the writer is trying to say is that after you're saved, Allah/ilah(God) will not take away your salvation if you sin, so in away your salvation is certain, because Rahma(Mercy/Forgiveness) exist, But even the bible says shall grace continue to abound. We can't continue to abuse grace because we know Allah/ilah(God) will forgive us.

So i understand that technically once you're saved you're saved, but there's still lots of work to do, and when you don't, you keep prolonging your walk with Allah/Ilah(God). This is what the writer should have explained.


This doctrine just encourages abuse of the mercy of Allah/ilah(God), and somehow permits the sinful lifestyle that we see these days.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by hemartins(m): 3:38pm On Dec 30, 2018
So salvation, both by forgiveness, and by following Jesus on the way of the cross, is by grace. A free gift of forgiveness—and a way, with help and grace to walk on it. This way is open for disciples of Jesus—those who want to follow Him and have the same mind that He had. (Philippians 2:5-8; 1 Peter 4:1) Through the grace to help that is given them, they overcome as He overcame. (Hebrews 4:15-16) That is true salvation.

But is it possible to lose this salvation?

It is clear that if a person turns back to the old mind, loving this world and enjoying their lusts, then they lose their salvation. Such a mind does not fit into the kingdom of heaven. However, if they truly repent and turn back to God, they can regain their salvation, but then they have also lost precious time where they could have been growing in the virtues. So let us continue in this new mind and be firmly established in it.

“As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith.” Colossians 2:6-7.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Interesting15: 3:38pm On Dec 30, 2018
Op, you are so wrong! Your doctrine is false!

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Hier(m): 3:38pm On Dec 30, 2018
Redoil:
May the almighty God gives ur the spiritual knowlegde to understand his words better

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 3:40pm On Dec 30, 2018
enilove:
OP , you are not yet a christian but just a bible reader .

What did Jesus mean by this ?


John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God.

Why do people need repentance and be born again , since all they need is just to believe in the death of Jesus ?

What is the use for " repentance and being born again "?

Except a man be born agaim is different from repenting of sins. Being born again is the same as believing in Jesus. Repenting of sins is not writen I'm the Bible as a requirement for heaven.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by OBAGADAFFI: 3:40pm On Dec 30, 2018
Eternal security is false doctrine.


Did Demas not lose his salvation?

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Hier(m): 3:40pm On Dec 30, 2018
jesusjnr:
See bro, i know you are entitled to your opinion, and can call out any human beings as you deem fit to, but please i beg of you, regardless of what your intentions are, don't make such comments about God. For it's better you get on the wrong side of man, but never God. So if possible remove the name of God from that thread title or modify to not be as demeaning as it is to Him.

What are you trying to say? This not loosing your salvation thing is the greatest heresy in the body today

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 3:41pm On Dec 30, 2018
jesusjnr:
See bro, i know you are entitled to your opinion, and can call out any human beings as you deem fit to, but please i beg of you, regardless of what your intentions are, don't make such comments about God. For it's better you get on the wrong side of man, but never God. So if possible remove the name of God from that thread title or modify to not be as demeaning as it is to Him.
You should have gone ahead to disprove the thread instead of this talk.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by JJOF(m): 3:41pm On Dec 30, 2018
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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by MrSix: 3:41pm On Dec 30, 2018
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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by donnie(m): 3:41pm On Dec 30, 2018
alBHAGDADI:

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Something is given to you when you are born again. The life you receive is not ordinary. You shouldn't therefore live as mere men.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Eternal life, is the life and nature of God which has righteousness in it. The perfection and excellence of God.


When you are born again, you no longer own yourself, because you were brought with a price.

The one who says he believes but is not submitted to the Lordship of Jesus Christ can end up where the sinners go.

Believing brings you into that life which you must live out. Righteousness is more than just a gift, it is a vital force that works in you to produce the rightness of God.

Study about the Nicolaitanes. They taught this doctrine you're teaching and the Lord says He hates their deeds.

Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 3:41pm On Dec 30, 2018
OBAGADAFFI:
Eternal security is false doctrine.
Prove it wrong using the Bible or remain silent.
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Hier(m): 3:42pm On Dec 30, 2018
OBAGADAFFI:
Eternal security is false doctrine.

One that is wide spread now. I really don't know where they got that revelation from. I mean it's a misunderstood one, we will talk now, some people would say we are under the influence of religion, that's the sad part

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 3:42pm On Dec 30, 2018
Lirqur:
Pfft, Even as a Muslim, i know if you don't continue to walk on the straight part, you'll lose your salvation.

There's a reason why you have to continually hold on to Allah/Ilah(God).

Salaam.

There is no salvation in Allah, Muhammad or Islam.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 3:43pm On Dec 30, 2018
Interesting15:
Op, you are so wrong! Your doctrine is false!
Prove it wrong or remain silent.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by MANNABBQGRILLS: 3:43pm On Dec 30, 2018
Holy spirit take control.....

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Roon9(m): 3:43pm On Dec 30, 2018
False doctrine.. Galatians says " standfast therefore in the liberty where with Christ hath made you free and be not entangled in the yokes of satan"

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by felixawe(m): 3:45pm On Dec 30, 2018
A believer can loose his salvation when he turns against God. To maintain salvation , we must be grafted always in Christ. If a believer cannot loose his salvation , then their wouldn't be need to seek for forgiveness...
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF FORGIVENESS ?

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by shininglite(m): 3:45pm On Dec 30, 2018
LIE'S FROM THE PIT OF HELL

Jesus didn't save us from the pit to become pigs ..so according to your satanic gospel once am born again I can misbehave and still make heaven..who ever told you that nonsense... according to your gospel..if I die on top of a girl as a born again Christian Jesus would personally welcome me because I gave my life to him..
Satanic lies!

Stop playing the grace game..
planing to sin because you know God will forgive.. one day monkey go enter market en no go return... you will blow Hell well

Dear OP what did Hebrews 10 vs 26 say?
If you sin willfully there remaineth no more sacrifice for you..

Without Holiness nobody can see God

Grace is not a license to Sin!
Grace is not a license to misbehave
Grace is not a license not to be under control
Hell is Real
Let he who has ear.....

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Hier(m): 3:45pm On Dec 30, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Prove it wrong using the Bible or remain silent.
Seriously, I didn't know that was your stance. Let's use an atheist for instance, you know Akintom, he use to be a committed Christian and most have been born again, but today he is no longer who he use to be. Now, would he go to Heaven having become an atheist

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Lonelyloner: 3:45pm On Dec 30, 2018
Hell fire must be empty if all you have to do is get baptized and even though you commit sin, still go to heaven.

Smh. Half truths.

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Charly68: 3:45pm On Dec 30, 2018
Hier:


One that is wide spread now. I really don't know where they got that revelation from. I mean it's a misunderstood, we will talk now, some people would say we are under the influence of religion, that's the sad part
. It is part of the end time agenda to deceive the very elect of God...Jesus has spoken that many will say but in your name I healed the sick and I would tell them depart from me..he is referring to all these dangerous preachers who believe once you are saved you are saved no matter what you do ..

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by femi4: 3:45pm On Dec 30, 2018
False teacher...salvation can be lost and regain before death cometh cos there is no repentance in death

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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by felixawe(m): 3:46pm On Dec 30, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


There is no salvation in Allah, Muhammad or Islam.
This post is worthless meant to mislead
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by wizzypro12(m): 3:46pm On Dec 30, 2018
Go and Read and understand your bible again you are confused

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