Vibesking:
How about affordability, Did he consider that?
All these dimwits politicians advocating for the Federal Government to privatise all the sector of our economy are clearly living on a different world.
They privatised power and where has that gotten us? Some areas haven't seen a blink in months!
I've never seen a nation that wholeheartedly wore its incompetence and shamelessly delegate its duties to outsiders.

Privatise Federal Universities my foot! You think its every family that can afford the fees uh? Inconsiderate mofo!

Tertiary education was not meant for everyone.

4dor:
Is this man ok? How many Nigerians can afford private tertiary education?

They should learn handwork and benefit themselves. Those that have gone and end up becoming makeup artist, was it not a waste of time and money?

Check how it is done abroad. Not everyone who leaves high school goes to university. Some learn trades, others vocational schools.

Pdp must be filled with lazy crooks who think privatization is a quick fix to every problem. This is becoming ridiculous and worse than I imagined.

Everywhere in the world even Brazil governments run universities and successfully too. There are already private universities and we can see how expensive they can be.


The FG dogging it’s responsibility’s via crooked privatization schemes is not the solution. Fix the economy, fix power and the education will improve at the right pace with the right educational policies. Many private university graduates are still struggling to get the right jobs and fit into society like their counterparts from government universities.

The motive behind Pdp’s privatization is suspect and highly selfish.

theoldpretender:


The problem is most of you guys want Harvard and Yale level at fees less than @$200 per annum.

Who go pay am?

As the VC of ABU said last year in a speech...if you want Cambridge (and by extension Harvard and Yaledegees)...you better pay Cambridge level fees (Cambridge costs at least 9000 pounds sterling yearly for a UK student,more for a foreigner).

Nigerian won't agree to this fact

hakeem4:
i do not think you understand his point. since the government is not capable of handling the affairs of government owned university they should sell it to private people or companies who have the capability to manage it

@bolded does not make any sense. silverbird is doing fine

So the universities would be turned to profitable ventures. School fees will go up, accommodation would go up and guess what - the less privileged would not be able to send their kids to university anymore.

In Germany,China, Japan education is free - and they produce some of the best technology today.

What I would suggest is that Ben Bruce and his clan should reduce their scandalious allowances and direct that money to the education sector.

How can a poor third world country have the highest paid senators in the world.

4dor:
Is this man ok? How many Nigerians can afford private tertiary education?

Tertiary Education wasn't meant for everyone

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seunmsg:


Yes. Ben Bruce is owing over N12billion or so to some banks. His name was published recently as one of the defaulting debtors by AMCON.

Then that makes sense

Privatization is good only if the buyers of our national assets have the right mix of profiteering & altruism. Men like Mr. Murray-Bruce are certainly not altruistic enough to trust them with our Federal & State universities. Why?

An entrepreneur's first motive is profit, that is not to say our own government does not seek to profit from us but it is to a much lesser degree compared to the private sector. If that ever happens, the effect will be a steady rise in the cost of tertiary education; yes the standard of education may improve, but fewer people will be able to afford it. And looking at the stats, we still have a wide gap between skill & unskilled to cover.

We have been here before, everyone thought privatizing NEPA would solve our power woes, but it did not. The private sector is just inept & corrupt as the public sector. This is the major reason why I could never vote for a PDP government, that pro-business & anti-people approach to policy making.

Juliusmalema:
Fortunately Ben Bruce is right.....very right.

But all these dafts can't reason....even they love the strike..

They are not aware ASUU is using them to enrich themselves not them coz as far as govt continues to manage there must be strike especially naija govt.

Private hands are always profit oriented and any attempt to hand over schools to profit oriented individuals will lead to similar situation we are today.
Education is best run as a nonprofit or long term low profit venture. This is why I pity people who are quick to criticise the likes Oyedepo about covenant university. These are the sort of people who are willing to run nonprofit schools but sadly we have over-bashed them out of blindness.
Education is a largely sacrificial system. In foreign country people will their estates to universities and many schools have hundreds of millions of dollars as endowment funds.

Privatization is not any better. Phcn was privatized and it has yielded nothing. If anything we are worse off.

afroxyz:


your argument is selective. why don't you reference Germany or Scandinavian countries where there is free tuition? The private universities in the US, how many average Americans can attend them? Ben Bruce who benefited from a public education system is saying you should privatise it not because it is expensive, but because they refused to maintain and fund it and you are supporting them. Mr man go and think

Pls cant you argue logically and constructively without adding insult? You can see why we are where we are!

Back to the discussion, can you point out one thing that is of government that is working in Nigeria! Can you? Where is NITEL today? Where is Ajaokuta steel among many others. Its obvious that government cannot run this thing. As a matter of fact, if these institutions/universities are in public hands, there will be a lot of competitions that will drive down the fees they charge in the long run. It's a very simple analogy. Even as I speak some government / state institutions are paying up to 200k. Yet it is government. I think you look at it in that direction

Anybody who supports this is either dumb or has no brain at all.
My question is what is the progress of all the institution privatized by govt? ie, Disco's, Nitel etc
Just funny the way someppl call this thing an idea, I wept for this this country, truly the problem is not the leader, majority of the followers are dogmatic and dumb. Ppl that cannot even afford transport fare to go to sch will still support all in the name of PDP....dumb ppl everywhere

Felixv:


So the universities would be turned to profitable ventures. School fees will go up, accommodation would go up and guess what - the less privileged would not be able to send their kids to university anymore.

In Germany,China, Japan education is free - and they produce some of the best technology today.

What I would suggest is that Ben Bruce and his clan should reduce their scandalious allowances and direct that money to the education sector.

How can a poor third world country have the highest paid senators in the world.

Germany China and Japan also

1.Are highly industrial countries which export in bulk...meaning their governments make trillions in dollars in tax revenue. Nigeria exports just oil, some cocoa,some beans, and we are not the number one producer in any one of them commodities.

2.Who told you China does not pay fees? As an example...fees in China can be as high as 3500 pounds sterling per annum (in Nigeria, fees are kept below 200-300 pounds per annum). Japanese students also pay fees (here is an example from Osaka University) plus education costs in primary and secondary school are high.

Germany is free...BUT....at the cost of half a german's income in taxes. (Try that in Nigeria...there would be a revolution before the day is over).

grandstar:
Good Idea but Nigerian students aren't ready to be pay the real cost of education and there are no student loans available

Is Nigeria government ready to pay wages that will ensure civil servants children can attend such universities? For example, anyone earning less than 150K/month cannot conviniently send their wards to government owned Lautech where tution is 250k/session.

Na wa oooooo. Everything na privatization.

theoldpretender:


Germany China and Japan also

1.Are highly industrial countries which export in bulk...meaning their governments make trillions in dollars in tax revenue. Nigeria exports just oil, some cocoa,some beans, and we are not the number one producer in any one of them commodities.

2.Who told you China does not pay fees? As an example...fees in China can be as high as 3500 pounds sterling per annum (in Nigeria, fees are kept below 200-300 pounds per annum). Japanese students also pay fees (here is an example from Osaka University) plus education costs in primary and secondary school are high.

Germany is free...BUT....at the cost of half a german's income in taxes. (Try that in Nigeria...there would be a revolution before the day is over).

What is the average income of an household in those countries that you mentioned? They do not attach a do or die attitude to university education because they have other viable institutions to train their citizens.

hakeem4:
i do not think you understand his point. since the government is not capable of handling the affairs of government owned university they should sell it to private people or companies who have the capability to manage it

@bolded does not make any sense. silverbird is doing fine

Let government sell Aso rock and sell itself since it can discharge its duties na. How on earth would you absolve government of its social contract towards the citizens? Trash

afroxyz:


your argument is selective. why don't you reference Germany or Scandinavian countries where there is free tuition? The private universities in the US, how many average Americans can attend them? Ben Bruce who benefited from a public education system is saying you should privatise it not because it is expensive, but because they refused to maintain and fund it and you are supporting them. Mr man go and think

German and Scandinavian countries also pay high rates of tax...which are used to fund education...all sectors,not just university.

Denmark and Germany have high tax rates. Norway is the world's fifth largest oil producer, and also has a high tax rate...and a population less than 10 million people. Thus they can afford free education.

In Nigeria our tax rate is 20% of our income or less (and many people don't pay tax, plus if your monthly income is less than 50000naira you are exempt from taxation)....and we don't produce enough oil...and for us to earn enough from oil it has to be at the price of $140 per barrel. (it is now $60...which is part of the reason why we take loans).

If we did what Germany and the scandinavians do...we could be paying half our salaries as tax monthly. All for free educaiton.

bid4rich:



Pls cant you argue logically and constructively without adding insult? You can see why we are where we are!

Back to the discussion, can you point out one thing that is of government that is working in Nigeria! Can you? Where is NITEL today? Where is Ajaokuta steel among many others. Its obvious that government cannot run this thing. As a matter of fact, if these institutions/universities are in public hands, there will be a lot of competitions that will drive down the fees they charge in the long run. It's a very simple analogy. Even as I speak some government / state institutions are paying up to 200k. Yet it is government. I think you look at it in that direction

This ur argument is disgusting Sir
Before nitel was privatized it was functioning, though not well but functioning, can u tell us the state of nitel now and all other privatized institution and hear urself out. I will support this only when u tell me one privatised company that is working well now. Just when u have scaled through a bridge, u want to cut it down so ppl will not cross again

The obvious problem of this sector is just like every other sector in this country which is inadequate maintenance due to greed and corruption, not that we don't have money to finance them, therefore selling is like adding salt to the injury. So you can't tell us because you have headache, you want to cut off your head completely......

4dor:


Quality they can't afford?

Well, the one they can afford right now is obviously useless. We need to look at the education sector objectively. The moment that sector is improved every other sector will drastically improve as well. A nation is built by people, educated people.

Realdeals:


What is the average income of an household in those countries that you mentioned? They do not attach a do or die attitude to university education because they have other viable institutions to train their citizens.

So, you have moved the goalpost to 'household income' eh?

You people say that education in Germany is free..therefore we need it to be free in Nigeria. When we tell you how much it costs the germans to pay for the free education...you start talking about household income...

The truth is , universities suck money. Either you are willing to pay $20000 for a $20000 degree or nothing. You cannot pay $200 and expect a product worth $20000. Sorry, but it is not possible.

And the truth is...that is what you guys want. And that is magical thinking. Beautiiful on paper...unworkable in reality

(And before you jump on me...God knows I wish fees were as low as 10000 per annum. But that would only mean severely chromically underfunded universitiy, and lotsof half baked graduates who cannot perform against the rich kids in the job market).

Infact, let govt privatise universites...so that funding can be directed to techincal schools. We need more technicians...to make our country an industrial powerhouse. We don't need more office workers/clerks.

Mtmike:



This ur argument is disgusting Sir
Before nitel was privatized it was functioning, though not well but functioning, can u tell us the state of nitel now and all other privatized institution and hear urself out. I will support this only when u tell me one privatised company that is working well now. Just when u have scaled through a bridge, u want to cut it down so ppl will not cross again

The obvious problem of this sector is just like every other sector in this country which is inadequate maintenance due to greed and corruption, not that we don't have money to finance them, therefore selling is like adding salt to the injury. So you can't tell us because you have headache, you want to cut off your head completely......

Nitel was a mess. It was not working well, it was limited to about 400000lines, service was very expensive (when my family had a NITEL line we could not make calls...ESPECIALLY international calls because they were expensive)...and service was iffy sometimes.

NITEL's privatization was a mess. It was sold to some Nigerian company with iffy credentials (and there were two or three more credible investors...)..and a few years later, the thing collapsed. It is now back, but with limited service, and is now an ISP.

MTEL (Nitel's mobile phone subsidary) started off well, entered the GSM market well (was giving MTN and co a run for their money). Problem was..it was a government company...and they could not compete with MTN and Airtel and Glo.

So that Atiku, his pal can buy them all.

Useless people.

hakeem4:
i do not think you understand his point. since the government is not capable of handling the affairs of government owned university they should sell it to private people or companies who have the capability to manage it

@bolded does not make any sense. silverbird is doing fine

By privatizing the universities, it means the government is inconsiderate of the masses who cannot afford the fees of private universities.. then of what essence is the government..?

theoldpretender:


Yes...but let's be honest....public education is going downhill.

Pretty soon,private education is going to surpass public education, and guess what this means for the job market (the poor lose out to rich kids with better degrees).

If we are not ready to pay the real cost of education...then we might as well stop complaining about 'half baked graduates' . What you sow you shall reap.

If u av the money to pay the real cost send ur children to private university or foreign university and leave the publ
ic ones for children if the poor

theoldpretender:


So, you have moved the goalpost to 'household income' eh?

You people say that education in Germany is free..therefore we need it to be free in Nigeria. When we tell you how much it costs the germans to pay for the free education...you start talking about household income...

The truth is , universities suck money. Either you are willing to pay $20000 for a $20000 degree or nothing. You cannot pay $200 and expect a product worth $20000. Sorry, but it is not possible.

And the truth is...that is what you guys want. And that is magical thinking. Beautiiful on paper...unworkable in reality

(And before you jump on me...God knows I wish fees were as low as 10000 per annum. But that would only mean severely chromically underfunded universitiy, and lotsof half baked graduates who cannot perform against the rich kids in the job market).

Infact, let govt privatise universites...so that funding can be directed to techincal schools. We need more technicians...to make our country an industrial powerhouse. We don't need more office workers/clerks.

I think half bread is better than non. Many parents in Nigeria today r struggling to pay the so called pea nut tuition fee while others can't afford it and the level of illiteracy is still high.let those that can afford private university send their kids there or send them abroad for better quality education leave the govt own institutions for children of the poor

thedio:

If u av the money to pay the real cost send ur children to private university or foreign university and leave the publ
ic ones for children if the poor

Okay...don't complain when the poor with their half baked degrees cannot compete against the rich with their good degrees.

receive brain in Jesus name Ben Bruce

thedio:

If u av the money to pay the real cost send ur children to private university or foreign university and leave the publ
ic ones for children if the poor

So you want the education cheap even if it becomes worthless?
This is the same stupid mindset that has led to the destruction of the public secondary school system in Nigeria. Now, few kids from public schools make it into my department; that's how disadvantaged they are compared to private school kids. What a Nigerian mentality: give me cheap, even if it is useless.

thedio:

I think half bread is better than non. Many parents in Nigeria today r struggling to pay the so called pea nut tuition fee while others can't afford it and the level of illiteracy is still high.let those that can afford private university send their kids there or send them abroad for better quality education leave the govt own institutions for children of the poor

There is no half bread when it comes to quality education.