Abuheekmat:




My point is saying shahadah doesn't make anyone a Muslim but acting upon that shahadah .


A sufi that died saying shahadah.. That shahadah is not useful for him at all .


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And saying shahadah before dying is no where to be found.. Be it during the death of rosul or any of his sahabahs nor tahabin or salafs..



Saying shahadah without its conditions is null and void. .


Would have posted the hadith where rosul said khawarij recites quran, fast, perform salah and they say la ilaaha ila Allah . . Still rosul said they are kufar..

But can't seem to find the hadith now

Innaa lillahi wa innaa ilayhi raji'un. Brother there are signs of extremism in you please combat it, Allah will never put a Muslim in hell fire because of his sect, but He will do so for your following of dubious innovations, Are you telling me that Salahudeen Al-Ayyubi R.A. is a kafir? SubuhanalLah a Sufi is a sunni who abstains from worldly things which there's no problem in that, but there are other sects that claim to be Sufi but they're not so please brother make very clear investigations before concluding, sects like Yazidi, Ahmadiyya, and shias(that curse the sahaba not zaidi shia )e.t.c. are Kufar so please don't declare a sect to be kufar without proper evidence.

Abuheekmat:

You shouldn't wear shoes to perform salah

Praise be to Allaah.

One of the conditions which must be met before
starting to pray is to make sure that one's body and
clothes and the place in which the Muslim is going
to pray are all clean and free of impurities. It was
narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) that he used to pray wearing his
shoes. Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with
him) was asked, “Did the Prophet (peace and
blessings of Allaah be upon him) pray wearing
shoes?” He said, “Yes.” (al-Bukhaari, 386; Muslim,
555).

This is to be understood as meaning, so long
as there is no impurity on the shoes; if there is any
impurity on them then it is not permissible to pray in
them. If a person forgets and prays wearing shoes
when there is some impurity on them, then he has
to take them off when he finds out or remembers.
This is because of the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-
Khudri who said: “While the Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was
leading his companions in prayer, he took off his
shoes and placed them to his left. When the people
saw that, they took off their shoes too. When the
Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah
be upon him) finished his prayer, he asked, ‘What
made you take off your shoes?’ They said, ‘We saw
you take off your shoes, so we took ours off too.’
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Jibreel (peace be upon
him) came to me and told me that there was
something dirty on them.’ When any one of you
comes to the mosque, let him look and if he sees
anything dirty on his shoes, let him wipe them and
then pray in them.” (Abu Dawood, 650; classed as
saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 605).


This has to do with the kind of shoes and with the
mosque at that time. However if the mosque is
furnished with carpeting, then the mosque should
be kept clean of shoes, and no one should enter
wearing shoes lest the place be made dirty.
(Fataawa Samaahat al-Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn
Humayd, p. 81). Moreover the furnishings of the
mosque are a waqf which should not be damaged
or destroyed, and if dirt gets onto the carpets it will
offend those who pray and prostrate on them.
Hence no one should enter wearing shoes and walk
on the carpets in the mosque in shoes, lest he
damage them or make them dirty.


The one who is keen to follow this Sunnah can
apply it when praying at home, or when praying in
places where there are no furnishings or carpets,
such as parks, beaches and out of doors, etc. If this
action confuses some of those who are unaware of
the Sunnah, he should explain to them that it is
Sunnah before he does it, so that they will not find
that odd. We ask Allaah to make us among those
who adhere to the Sunnah and strive to follow it
until He joins us with the author of the Sunnah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) close
to the Lord of the Worlds. And Allaah is the Source
of strength.

Abuheekmat:
If you die saying shahadah

you die a kafir

Praise be to Allaah.
It was narrated that Mu’aadh ibn Jabal (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “If a person’s last words are Laa ilaaha ill- Allaah, Paradise will be guaranteed for him.” Narrated by Ahmad, 21529; Abu Dawood, 3116; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 687
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined it. It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Exhort your dying ones to say Laa ilaaha ill- Allaah.” Narrated by Muslim, 916.
This exhortation is prescribed even if the dying person is a kaafir, because if he says it before the soul is taken, saying it will benefit him, even if he is punished for his sins. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Exhort your dying ones to say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, for if a person’s last words are Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah at the time of death, he will enter Paradise at some point, no matter what befalls him before that.” Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al- Jaami’, 5150.
Another indication that the command to exhort the dying to say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah includes kaafirs too is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did with his paternal uncle Abu Taalib, and with the Jewish boy who used to serve him.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was present when his uncle Abu Taalib was dying, and he said to him: “O uncle, say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, a word for which I will testify for you before Allaah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3884; Muslim, 24.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was also present when the Jewish boy who used to serve him was dying. He said to him: “Become Muslim” – according to the report narrated by Ahmad (12381): “Say Laa ilaaha ill- Allaah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1356.

Key notes from Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him):
Should this exhortation come in the form of a command, whereby one says to the dying person: “Say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah” or should it be done by repeating the words in his presence so that he will remember them when he hears someone saying them by his side? Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: That depends on the condition of the sick person. If he is of strong faith and can accept the command, or if he is a kaafir, he should be commanded to say it, by saying: “Say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah,” “Let your life end with Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah” and so on. If he is a Muslim and is of weak faith, he should not be commanded, rather Allaah should be mentioned in his presence so that he will hear and remember. This differentiation is based on the reports and on rational thinking.

May Allaah make us end doing beneficial good deeds that will make us earn Jannah

abdulazeez1002:

Praise be to Allaah.

It was narrated that Mu’aadh ibn Jabal (may Allaah
be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of
Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
say: “If a person’s last words are Laa ilaaha ill-
Allaah, Paradise will be guaranteed for him.”
Narrated by Ahmad, 21529; Abu Dawood, 3116;
classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel,
687

the Prophet (peace and
blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined it. It was
narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be
pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Exhort your dying ones to say Laa ilaaha ill-
Allaah.” Narrated by Muslim, 916.

This exhortation is prescribed even if the dying
person is a kaafir, because if he says it before the
soul is taken, saying it will benefit him, even if he is
punished for his sins. It was narrated that Abu
Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) said: “Exhort your dying ones
to say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, for if a person’s last
words are Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah at the time of death,
he will enter Paradise at some point, no matter what
befalls him before that.” Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan;
classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-
Jaami’, 5150.

Another indication that the command to exhort the
dying to say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah includes kaafirs
too is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) did with his paternal uncle Abu
Taalib, and with the Jewish boy who used to serve
him.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon
him) was present when his uncle Abu Taalib was
dying, and he said to him: “O uncle, say Laa ilaaha
ill-Allaah, a word for which I will testify for you
before Allaah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3884;
Muslim, 24.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon
him) was also present when the Jewish boy who
used to serve him was dying. He said to him:
“Become Muslim” – according to the report
narrated by Ahmad (12381): “Say Laa ilaaha ill-
Allaah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1356.


Key notes from Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah
have mercy on him):

Should this exhortation come in the form of a
command, whereby one says to the dying person:
“Say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah” or should it be done by
repeating the words in his presence so that he will
remember them when he hears someone saying
them by his side?
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on
him) said:
That depends on the condition of the sick person. If
he is of strong faith and can accept the command,
or if he is a kaafir, he should be commanded to say
it, by saying: “Say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah,” “Let your
life end with Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah” and so on.
If he is a Muslim and is of weak faith, he should not
be commanded, rather Allaah should be mentioned
in his presence so that he will hear and remember.
This differentiation is based on the reports and on
rational thinking.


May Allaah make us end doing beneficial good deeds that
will make us earn Jannah

Am pretty sure I have answered this in my post that you quoted..


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Let me simplify it.


Muslim that say shahadah when dying
A Muslim that's a sinner that say shahadah when dying
A kafir that understands islam, a kafir that just revert to islam in sick bed and says shahadah when dying


Those are the people saying la ilaaha ila Allah hadith works for.



A kafir, that doesn't know anything about islam and says shahadah when dying.. . It won't work for them
A Muslim that revert to disbelief and says shahadah when dying. . It won't work for them.



Why do you think abu talib rejected saying la ilaaha ila Allah.. Because he knows fully well the meaning and it's requirement ...

Why do you think a jew who rosul told to say la ilaaha ila Allah on his sick bed before dying.. Said it? He knows full well the meaning..


Saying shahadah on death bed (a kafir).. When the person nearly dies. . It won't work for him.. Example is firaoun..


Most Muslims of nowadays don't know the meaning of shahadah, talkless of la ilaaha ila Allah..

Talkless of Christians or jews ..



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A tableeg or a mssn or tmc or mumayiun or tmc or other sect... Saying shahadah before death or during death won't benefit him or her...

Because if you tell the person.. Leave tableeg, don't sujud to greet again, don't do tawasul with creation of Allah and stay away from khuruj (ijade .. Such person will insist on tableeg.. That that's the way to worship Allah.. Is it such person that defy Allah, defy rosul and invent his own laws into the deen that has met the conditions of saying la ilaaha ila Allah?

Talkless of a Christian, if he's told to say la ilaaha ila Allah on death bed and said it.. That doesn't make the Christian a Muslim , because he or she doesnt know the meaning of la ilaaha ila Allah and it's requirement. If you ask such person who is Jesus. He will say he's his own lord and saviour. .




Summary.. Saying la ilaaha ila Allah before dying is meant for whoever knows it's meaning and it's requirement and he's ready to follow it...

Whoever doesn't know the meaning, it won't work for him.


And whoever knows the meaning and say it when his soul is almost removed, it won't work for him

Abuheekmat:



Why do you think abu talib rejected saying la ilaaha ila Allah.. Because he knows fully well the meaning and it's requirement ...

Why do you think a jew who rosul told to say la ilaaha ila Allah on his sick bed before dying.. Said it? He knows full well the meaning..



Whoever doesn't know the meaning, it won't work for him.


And whoever knows the meaning and say it when his soul is almost removed, it won't work for him

the prophet didn't know he was a Jew before he encouraged him to say it? the prophet knows Allah forgives whomever He wishes and He keep saying we should ask Him for forgiveness even if we have committed sins that's like a mirage.

see, I don't know what exactly you people have as a problem. you are not perfect neither is the rest of us here. you are now talking as if you will sit with Allah to judge everyone.

have you perfected your own Ibadah that you are pointing fingers at others. you ain't Allah and He's the most forgiving, He can forgive whomever he wishes.
it's your type that discourage non Muslims to convert to Islam.

instead of you to focus on how to perfect your religion and how to encourage non Muslims you are here arguing with Muslims( if you think they ain't perfect, you ain't perfect too).

Abuheekmat:



Am pretty sure I have answered this in my post that you quoted..


..
Let me simplify it.


Muslim that say shahadah when dying
A Muslim that's a sinner that say shahadah when dying
A kafir that understands islam, a kafir that just revert to islam in sick bed and says shahadah when dying


Those are the people saying la ilaaha ila Allah hadith works for.



A kafir, that doesn't know anything about islam and says shahadah when dying.. . It won't work for them
A Muslim that revert to disbelief and says shahadah when dying. . It won't work for them.



Why do you think abu talib rejected saying la ilaaha ila Allah.. Because he knows fully well the meaning and it's requirement ...

Why do you think a jew who rosul told to say la ilaaha ila Allah on his sick bed before dying.. Said it? He knows full well the meaning..


Saying shahadah on death bed (a kafir).. When the person nearly dies. . It won't work for him.. Example is firaoun..


Most Muslims of nowadays don't know the meaning of shahadah, talkless of la ilaaha ila Allah..

Talkless of Christians or jews ..



..
A tableeg or a mssn or tmc or mumayiun or tmc or other sect... Saying shahadah before death or during death won't benefit him or her...

Because if you tell the person.. Leave tableeg, don't sujud to greet again, don't do tawasul with creation of Allah and stay away from khuruj (ijade .. Such person will insist on tableeg.. That that's the way to worship Allah.. Is it such person that defy Allah, defy rosul and invent his own laws into the deen that has met the conditions of saying la ilaaha ila Allah?

Talkless of a Christian, if he's told to say la ilaaha ila Allah on death bed and said it.. That doesn't make the Christian a Muslim , because he or she doesnt know the meaning of la ilaaha ila Allah and it's requirement. If you ask such person who is Jesus. He will say he's his own lord and saviour. .




Summary.. Saying la ilaaha ila Allah before dying is meant for whoever knows it's meaning and it's requirement and he's ready to follow it...

Whoever doesn't know the meaning, it won't work for him.


And whoever knows the meaning and say it when his soul is almost removed, it won't work for him

I don't know who you are but you are in no position to make conclusion on who the shahada works for. Few pple have oppose you here with hadith but you never tender one hadith to back your fact.

Why would the jew boy wait until near his death to say the shahada... Why not before then, how do you weigh the shahada that works for A and the one that doesn't works for B.

Come up with authentic hadith and backup your facts regarding the shahada. Don't just analyzes.

aril:


I don't know who you are but you are in no position to make conclusion on who the shahada works for. Few pple have oppose you here with hadith but you never tender one hadith to back your fact.

Why would the jew boy wait until near his death to say the shahada... Why not before then, how do you weigh the shahada that works for A and the one that doesn't works for B.

Come up with authentic hadith and backup your facts regarding the shahada. Don't just analyzes.

How many times will I explain this to you.


Islam is about ACTIONS, SAYINGS AND BELIEFS.. (that's tawheed)

Sayings along won't make you a Muslim.

The 3 makes one a Muslim .


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It's like you are saying that ONE CAN PERFORM SALAH WITHOUT ABLUTION AND SAYING TAKBIR..



HADITH ROSUL ON KHAWARIJ IS ENOUGH TO PROVE THAT SAYING LA ILAHA ILA ALLAH isn't enough

najib632:
Innaa lillahi wa innaa ilayhi raji'un. Brother there are signs of extremism in you please combat it, Allah will never put a Muslim in hell fire because of his sect, but He will do so for your following of dubious innovations, Are you telling me that Salahudeen Al-Ayyubi R.A. is a kafir? SubuhanalLah a Sufi is a sunni who abstains from worldly things which there's no problem in that, but there are other sects that claim to be Sufi but they're not so please brother make very clear investigations before concluding, sects like Yazidi, Ahmadiyya, and shias(that curse the sahaba not zaidi shia )e.t.c. are Kufar so please don't declare a sect to be kufar without proper evidence.

Laughing.. Was rosul or sahabahs SUFI ?

that's enough for you to answer

Rashduct4luv:


You lack manners and one quality of Jabatiyyah is attacking personality! After Rasheed, now Amubieya! Who else?

May Allaah forgive me for replying you all this while.

The prophet said, in an authentic hadith reported by Imams At-Tirmithi and Ibn-Majah, that, “A person may say a word that is pleasing to Allah (S.W.T.) and he may not think much of it, but Allah (S.W.T.) will, (because of that word), bestow his pleasure upon him on the Day of Judgment, and a person may say a word that is displeasing to Allah (S.W.T.), and he may not think much of it, but Allah will have, (because of that word) put his wrath and anger on him on the Day of Judgment.”

Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The believer does not taunt others, he does not curse others, he does not use profanity, and he does not abuse others.”

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1977

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

That hadith are for believers to believers NOT believers to KAFIR..


Amubieya, rasheedi, alaro and co are kufar.. .

Fatimah555:


the prophet didn't know he was a Jew before he encouraged him to say it? the prophet knows Allah forgives whomever He wishes and He keep saying we should ask Him for forgiveness even if we have committed sins that's like a mirage.

see, I don't know what exactly you people have as a problem. you are not perfect neither is the rest of us here. you are now talking as if you will sit with Allah to judge everyone.

have you perfected your own Ibadah that you are pointing fingers at others. you ain't Allah and He's the most forgiving, He can forgive whomever he wishes.
it's your type that discourage non Muslims to convert to Islam.

instead of you to focus on how to perfect your religion and how to encourage non Muslims you are here arguing with Muslims( if you think they ain't perfect, you ain't perfect too).

Inkar Munkar is part of Islam.


Whoever accepts Islam from sufi, acadip, mssn and others sect is still a kafir.


Because the person leaves worshipping human into Rolling in innovations

Abuheekmat:



Inkar Munkar is part of Islam.


Whoever accepts Islam from sufi, acadip, mssn and others sect is still a kafir.


Because the person leaves worshipping human into Rolling in innovations

May Allah forgive you.

aril:



May Allah forgive you.

For Calling a kafir a kafir or what??

Abuheekmat:



Laughing.. Was rosul or sahabahs SUFI ?

that's enough for you to answer

Yes and No. I can say yes for prophet Muhammad S.A.W. He abstained from worldly possessions to the extent that Umar R.A. cried on a certain day when he visited him, Umar R.A. cried due to the marks he saw on the messenger of Allah's back that was caused by the mat the Messenger of Allah was lying on. You can watch a YouTube video titled the day Umar cried for more information on how the messenger of Allah abstained from worldly things. And I would say no because the messenger of Allah didn't follow any sect. If hyou can remember there were a group people called Ahlul-Sufa that lived in the prophet's (S.A.W.) mosque, they were so poor that they couldn't give their garments to tailors sew it for them, they made provision of holes in their clothes for the position of the head and hands. There was a servant of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. that belonged to the ahlul-suffa he was asked by the prophet Muhammad S.A.W what does he want so that he will ask Allah to grant it to him, but he said he only wants the companionship of the prophet in jannah, then prophet Muhammad S.A.W asked him what else does he desire he said only that then the messenger of Allah S.A.W said you will have help me with your request by making a lot of prostration to Allah.

I am sorry I couldn't find the hadiths on the net but you can ask any Scholar of them. What I want you to understand is don't declare some one a kafir until you see him indulging in it.

Abuheekmat:



Inkar Munkar is part of Islam.


Whoever accepts Islam from sufi, acadip, mssn and others sect is still a kafir.

Because the person leaves worshipping human into Rolling in innovations

May Allah forgive you for saying "whoever accept Islam from.... are still a kafir" according to you.

If you think you know it all then you no Nothing. You cannot be a good leader as far as religion is concerned. You will turn Muslims against each other, you'll find delight in conflict amongst Muslims.

How do you call people to your religion of peace when in your heart you have no peace for nobody. Everyone is a Kafir, those you call a Kafir today may stand in good / firm footing in the sight of Allah tomorrow.

Brother, widen your horizon, read and continue reading. This short vid is for you....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtf93V30QQ

Don't just watch it alone pass it on to your likes... Make peace wherever you are.

aril:


May Allah forgive you for saying "whoever accept Islam from.... are still a kafir" according to you.

If you think you know it all then you no Nothing. You cannot be a good leader as far as religion is concerned. You will turn Muslims against each other, you'll find delight in conflict amongst Muslims.

How do you call people to your religion of peace when in your heart you have no peace for nobody. Everyone is a Kafir, those you call a Kafir today may stand in good / firm footing in the sight of Allah tomorrow.

Brother, widen your horizon, read and continue reading. This short vid is for you....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtf93V30QQ

Don't just watch it alone pass it on to your likes... Make peace wherever you are.

It's absolutely clear that you don't know anything about aqeedah. And that's exactly what make a Muslim a Muslim.. And that's exactly why khawarij are kufar..


Go and get book written by Muhammad bin abdul wahab on aqeedah..

Maybe you would understand

najib632:
Yes and No. I can say yes for prophet Muhammad S.A.W. He abstained from worldly possessions to the extent that Umar R.A. cried on a certain day when he visited him, Umar R.A. cried due to the marks he saw on the messenger of Allah's back that was caused by the mat the Messenger of Allah was lying on. You can watch a YouTube video titled the day Umar cried for more information on how the messenger of Allah abstained from worldly things. And I would say no because the messenger of Allah didn't follow any sect. If hyou can remember there were a group people called Ahlul-Sufa that lived in the prophet's (S.A.W.) mosque, they were so poor that they couldn't give their garments to tailors sew it for them, they made provision of holes in their clothes for the position of the head and hands. There was a servant of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. that belonged to the ahlul-suffa he was asked by the prophet Muhammad S.A.W what does he want so that he will ask Allah to grant it to him, but he said he only wants the companionship of the prophet in jannah, then prophet Muhammad S.A.W asked him what else does he desire he said only that then the messenger of Allah S.A.W said you will have help me with your request by making a lot of prostration to Allah.

I am sorry I couldn't find the hadiths on the net but you can ask any Scholar of them. What I want you to understand is don't declare some one a kafir until you see him indulging in it.

Laughing Out Loud.. .


Tru2god..

Those weak and fabricated hadith i told you about... Here it is...


That's exactly why chains of narration is needed..


You see what am talking about...


They will just open mouth and say trash about islam and sunnah..


You must find the hadith o.. You must.. Go meet that idiot telling you lies about rosul and his sahabahs..

He must provide that hadith for you. .

He must tell us where the hadith is .

Bukhari or muslim.. What's the hadith number. . What's his chapter. .

You must provide it o



..

I should ask scholar of islam like Ahmad tijani, Ibrahim niyas, adam adulah, baba kamali, yaya solaaty, okutagidi abi..


Laughing

And concerning calling kafir a kafir..

There are lots of examples in Quran..

There are lots of examples in hadith..


..

Iblis the first person Allah made takfeer of ..


Quweziroh .. The first person rosul made takfeer of .

Why were they call kafir. .


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Your sufi scholars will never ever know that . . All they know is jalabi. .


Get Quran .. Read suratul baqorah..

Get hadith, read all hadith on khawarij in bukhari and Muslim ..


That should suffice

Abuheekmat:



Laughing Out Loud.. .


Tru2god..

Those weak and fabricated hadith i told you about... Here it is...


That's exactly why chains of narration is needed..


You see what am talking about...


They will just open mouth and say trash about islam and sunnah..


You must find the hadith o.. You must.. Go meet that idiot telling you lies about rosul and his sahabahs..

He must provide that hadith for you. .

He must tell us where the hadith is .

Bukhari or muslim.. What's the hadith number. . What's his chapter. .

You must provide it o



..

I should ask scholar of islam like Ahmad tijani, Ibrahim niyas, adam adulah, baba kamali, yaya solaaty, okutagidi abi..

Laughing

You don't understand what I am saying. I am asking you to ask any Salafi or Sunni scholar about the Hadiths, and if you too can prove to me that the hadith are weak then I'll also change my view instantly, but for now be patient with me until I find them. I also want to tell you that as long as a we don't see a Muslim doing something that's kufur we don't have the right to declare someone kafir since we cannot see what's Inside their hearts.

najib632:
You don't understand what I am saying. I am asking you to ask any Salafi or Sunni scholar about the Hadiths, and if you too can prove to me that the hadith are weak then I'll also change my view instantly, but for now be patient with me until I find them. I also want to tell you that as long as a we don't see a Muslim doing something that's kufur we don't have the right to declare someone kafir since we cannot see what's Inside their hearts.

You will find the hadith.
Post the hadith.
You will tell us where is it in bukhari or muslim..
You will tell us it's number. .

That's all..



..

Laughing... Seeing what's inside their hearts... Sufi and their jalabi ..


Only Allah knows what's in the hearts of us all...
Nobody does .


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Then you will have to prove what you just said..

You will find hadith or Quran where THE PART OF CONDITIONS OF CALLING A KAFIR A KAFIR IS "WE MUST KNOW WHAT IS IN THIER HEARTS"..


that's double assignment . Get on with it

Abuheekmat:



You will find the hadith.
Post the hadith.
You will tell us where is it in bukhari or muslim..
You will tell us it's number. .

That's all..



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Laughing... Seeing what's inside their hearts... Sufi and their jalabi ..


Only Allah knows what's in the hearts of us all...
Nobody does .


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Then you will have to prove what you just said..

You will find hadith or Quran where THE PART OF CONDITIONS OF CALLING A KAFIR A KAFIR IS "WE MUST KNOW WHAT IS IN THIER HEARTS"..


that's double assignment . Get on with it

Hahaha... I never said this THE PART OF CONDITIONS OF CALLING A KAFIR A KAFIR IS "WE MUST KNOW WHAT IS IN THIER HEARTS", I said we should only declare someone a kafir from their actions, Mind you it's not like I am siding the propergators of Innovations, I am siding with people like Salahudeed Al-Ayyubi and because of that I will go to any length within my power to defend their dignity.

najib632:
Hahaha... I never said this THE PART OF CONDITIONS OF CALLING A KAFIR A KAFIR IS "WE MUST KNOW WHAT IS IN THIER HEARTS", I said we should only declare someone a kafir from their actions, Mind you it's not like I am siding the propergators of Innovations, I am siding with people like Salahudeed Al-Ayyubi and because of that I will go to any length within my power to defend their dignity.

Who the hell is salauhdeed. . Your shehu abi .

Permit me to say . You are mad.. In fact you are crazy .



You can't defend islam, you can't defend sunnah, you can't defend Allah, you can't defend rosul .

You are shouting salauhdeed..

Who the hell is salauhdeed ..

You will go to any length to defend him..


Irritating word..

He's your shehu torika abi who is he..


Tsfu

najib632:
Hahaha... I never said this THE PART OF CONDITIONS OF CALLING A KAFIR A KAFIR IS "WE MUST KNOW WHAT IS IN THIER HEARTS", I said we should only declare someone a kafir from their actions, Mind you it's not like I am siding the propergators of Innovations, I am siding with people like Salahudeed Al-Ayyubi and because of that I will go to any length within my power to defend their dignity.

And we can only declare people with their deeds, sayings and beliefs.. Not just deeds only

najib632:
You don't understand what I am saying. I am asking you to ask any Salafi or Sunni scholar about the Hadiths, and if you too can prove to me that the hadith are weak then I'll also change my view instantly, but for now be patient with me until I find them. I also want to tell you that as long as a we don't see a Muslim doing something that's kufur we don't have the right to declare someone kafir since we cannot see what's Inside their hearts.

Don't waist your time on him. Did you see him present any hadith or prove about his claims all these while. Yet he'll answer you like he knows it all. Watch the video i showed him. That lecture is directly to him, i really like the way the imam put it.

I hope he looks in the mirror at the end.

Abuheekmat:



It's absolutely clear that you don't know anything about aqeedah. And that's exactly what make a Muslim a Muslim.. And that's exactly why khawarij are kufar..


Go and get book written by Muhammad bin abdul wahab on aqeedah..

Maybe you would understand

Na u go tell me if am a muslim or not. Watch the link again..
Go and make peace wherever you are instead of looking for kufar up and down.

What is your school of thought?

aril:


Na u go tell if am a muslim or not. Watch the link again..
Go and make peace wherever you are instead of looking for kufar up and down.

What is your school of thought?

Peace with who? Like rosul made peace with them abi?


You see. .. School of thought ko.. Madhab ni..


Like i said , you know absolutely nothing about aqeedah.


Go and learn manhaj salaf

Abuheekmat:


And we can only declare people with their deeds, sayings and beliefs.. Not just deeds only

Yes correction accepted with their deeds and beliefs.

najib632:
Yes correction accepted with their deeds and beliefs.

And that's exactly why every sect are kufar .
They have separate DEEDS, SAYINGS AND BELIEFS from what rosul brings

Abuheekmat:



Who the hell is salauhdeed. . Your shehu abi .

Permit me to say . You are mad.. In fact you are crazy .



You can't defend islam, you can't defend sunnah, you can't defend Allah, you can't defend rosul .

You are shouting salauhdeed..

Who the hell is salauhdeed ..

You will go to any length to defend him..


Irritating word..

He's your shehu torika abi who is he..


Tsfu

What am I doing in Religion section if not defending Islam? Or you think am here to waste my time? I am the one who answered your question on whether the Qur'an was a creation of Allah or uncreated, and yet you call me call me a Tariqa and a follower of innovations? Salahudeen Al-Ayyubi R. is the one who took Jerusalem back from the Crusaders, he was the one that United the Muslims to fight under the same banner and he was able to Capture back most of the cities after one hundred years of Crusaders occupying greater Syria. You should learn about the Salaf so that you'll understand what I am saying and deepen your knowledge, right now you can be brainwashed into becoming a terrorist, because it's the ideology of the khawarij to declare someone a kafir if they see him committing a sin.

najib632:
What am I doing in Religion section if not defending Islam? Or you think am here to waste my time? I am the one who answered your question on whether the Qur'an was a creation of Allah or uncreated, and yet you call me call me a Tariqa and a follower of innovations? Salahudeen Al-Ayyubi R. is the one who took Jerusalem back from the Crusaders, he was the one that United the Muslims to fight under the same banner and he was able to Capture back most of the cities after one hundred years of Crusaders occupying greater Syria. You should learn about the Salaf so that you'll understand what I am saying and deepen your knowledge, right now you can be brainwashed into becoming a terrorist, because it's the ideology of the khawarij to declare someone a kafir if they see him committing a sin.

Simple analysis and simply put. May Allah bless you with more knowledge.

najib632:
What am I doing in Religion section if not defending Islam? Or you think am here to waste my time? I am the one who answered your question on whether the Qur'an was a creation of Allah or uncreated, and yet you call me call me a Tariqa and a follower of innovations? Salahudeen Al-Ayyubi R. is the one who took Jerusalem back from the Crusaders, he was the one that United the Muslims to fight under the same banner and he was able to Capture back most of the cities after one hundred years of Crusaders occupying greater Syria. You should learn about the Salaf so that you'll understand what I am saying and deepen your knowledge, right now you can be brainwashed into becoming a terrorist, because it's the ideology of the khawarij to declare someone a kafir if they see him committing a sin.

La. .

Even if it's sheik Muhammad bin abdul wahab or sheik Ahmad Bin Hanbal. .

You should never say you will defend anyone to any length except rosul.
It's only rosul that we can do taqleed of..



Now .let's talk on dowabitu takfeer..


Adam adulah al Ilory
Ahmad Tijani
Ibrahim Niyas
Ibn Hajar
Isa Akindele
Alaro
Sarumi
Amubieya
Sharof ogbomosho
Mustapha rasheed
Asrau bilal
Sharof ede
Ejigbo



...those are the one's i can recollect for now..


What can you say about them

najib632:
What am I doing in Religion section if not defending Islam? Or you think am here to waste my time? I am the one who answered your question on whether the Qur'an was a creation of Allah or uncreated, and yet you call me call me a Tariqa and a follower of innovations? Salahudeen Al-Ayyubi R. is the one who took Jerusalem back from the Crusaders, he was the one that United the Muslims to fight under the same banner and he was able to Capture back most of the cities after one hundred years of Crusaders occupying greater Syria. You should learn about the Salaf so that you'll understand what I am saying and deepen your knowledge, right now you can be brainwashed into becoming a terrorist, because it's the ideology of the khawarij to declare someone a kafir if they see him committing a sin.

It's sectarian creed that call sinners kufar .

And that's part of innovation of khawarij.

It's not in manhaj salaf to call sinner a kafir unless he or she make it halal
And it's not in manhaj salaf to make takfeer of a person that does bidah or kufru act or saying a kafir until conditions of calling a kafir a kafir is met on that person. .