LordReed:


This is not the preeminence we are referring to. At that time the Bishop in Rome did not declare a doctrine then everyone followed. There were as many different doctrines as there were bishops. If this was not the case there would have been no need for the councils. Recognition of Apostolic ascendancy was not even a thing until more than a 150 years after the gospels were written.

councils are an exercise of collegeity, even today the church still has councils and synod because that is the best opportunity to get the feel of what the spirit says to the church not because councils annuls primacy.



There is always primacy in the church residing in the Roman see and that predates Constantine and religious freedom or military might as you put it.

Irenaeus

But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [inter A.D. 189])


And as you may note this primacy was already accepted before your so-called 150 years after the gospels.

Anas09:

Hahahahahahahaha. But nah for Bible i see Babylon the Great, I no sabi Jack Chick.

Babylon the great certainly dey bible but na chick and co dem decide say the title belong to the Catholic Church

Anas09:



Lolzzz. These are deep and Spiritual matters, they are spiritually discerned. They are not for those who take the Scriptures literally.
As long as the Church stays focus in disseminating the Gospel, her Borders which are Spiritual and are guided by Angels are secured. But, wen she lost focus and began to fornicate with Hellenism, her borders became compromised The Master says 'Go into the whole world and preach the gospel'. The Papacy built a Capital in Rome and sat down on the gospel until the revolution by the Reformation brokeout.

This is another dumb submission, sorry to say, the papacy did not keep Christianity locked up in Rome that is just silly.

The papacy, that's the church of Rome evangelised the whole Europe, from Rome it entered France, England, Germany, Ireland, everything from Rome to the west, the Catholic church in Antioch and later Constantinople was responsible for evangelising the east, Russia, albania, Africa was supposed to be evangelised by the Catholic Church in Alexandria Egypt but unfortunately the Muslims launched there jihad just when the church was making headway. When the Americas was discovered by Columbus it was still the papacy that sent missionaries to both north and South America, what more, the same papacy sent missionaries to the Far East to China, ultimately covering every continent. So where did you get the lie that Rome locked up Christianity. Even when the church in Antioch and later Constantinople and then Alexandria was unable to do their bit in evangelising their immediate surrounding, Rome still sent missionaries to those places.

Don't be ignorant.

Before Emperor Constantine pretended to be a Christian convert, the Church was a wonder to her enemies. The more her enemy came against her, the more she grew formidable, why? because her husband 'Christ', fought for her. Even when she was locked up in Rome, her husband set her free. Papacy tried every thing to keep the Church as One unit, she broke free.

as usual you again have it upside down.

Constantine didn't pretend to convert, he was a catecumen just learning the basics of Christianity, he only took baptism at his death bed until then he was studying Christianity.

Even after Christianity was granted freedom the church continued to grow, it did not become stunted.

Jesus established just one church not churches and denominations and the church was one. Fractions and dissension caused by heresy did not "break the church free" instead those were the manifestations of the evil one trying to break the unity Jesus prayed for in John 19.

a divided, denominational church teaching contradictory doctrines does not serve the will of God infact the new testament condemned such

The enemy of the Church is Satan and he is hiding behind the Catholic Church trying to subtly Change the decrees of the Scriptures thereby weaken her from within. But hey! Satan loses. He lost in Eden, at Calvary, he'll yet lose.

No dear,

The enemy certainly is Satan, bringing up heresies in the church and raising contradictory, divided sects and factions which were expressly condemned by scriptures and Satan got a great help from you protestants who have continued protesting against each other, contradicting each other in doctrines, raising new heresies and resurrecting old ones while fractioning, dissenting, and dividing at an alarming rate.

Talk of the reformation breaking free, do you know all the reformation leaders accused each other of great heresy and said the other reformer was damned... How is that breaking free, is that not the exact division the Bible condemns.

Ubenedictus:
Babylon the great certainly dey bible but na chick and co dem decide say the title belong to the Catholic Church

It does belong to the Catholic Church. She and her ecumenism.

Ubenedictus:
councils are an exercise of collegeity, even today the church still has councils and synod because that is the best opportunity to get the feel of what the spirit says to the church not because councils annuls primacy.



There is always primacy in the church residing in the Roman see and that predates Constantine and religious freedom or military might as you put it.

Irenaeus

But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [inter A.D. 189])


And as you may note this primacy was already accepted before your so-called 150 years after the gospels.

Hmmm, you have introduced me to new information I hadn't considered before. Thank you.

Anas09:

It does belong to the Catholic Church. She and her ecumenism.

I have seen you making some pretty dumb submissions lately, why not more?

the catholic church caused the dark ages whereas that was cause by the fall of rome.
the church locked the faith in rome whereas she evangelised the world
the pope was ruling the world whereas that was the kings, the popes were trying frantically and even unsuccessful to get out of political oppression.
why not add more
the catholic church is babylon d great, the sole christian church for over a thousand years, so d devil prevailed against the church?

Really you need to stop making dumb submissions, they sound like myth borrow from jack chick.

LordReed:


Hmmm, you have introduced me to new information I hadn't considered before. Thank you.

My pleasure.
Besides you only got new information because you were open to it. I have had experience where people prefer the stuff they already know and cant accept to see any other thing. so kudos to you.