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Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by HellVictorinho(m): 10:58pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


What is the evidence that you will wake up tomorrow? If you are not living in faith.

I bet you have not given thought to it.
N:B- You will see many tomorrow's.
Joke.
Now,you want evidence for what is probable.
What are the chances that you will use your hands to eat tomorrow as against you using your feet?
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by bloodofthelamb(m): 11:08pm On Jan 11
LordReed:


The evidence is I have woken up for the past few thousand days so I have a reasonable expectation that it will be the case tomorrow. Add to that my experience is not unique, 7+billion people woke up today, I need no faith for that.

Do you realise that somewhere in the part of the world someone slept yesterday and didn't wake up this Friday morning? The key word in your comment above is "expectation." You are expecting to wake up tomorrow, that is faith bro.
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by HellVictorinho(m): 11:13pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


They that seek him with their whole heart will truly come to know that He is. They will find me, when they seek me with their whole heart says the Holy One.
"Finding God" is a predicament.

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Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by bloodofthelamb(m): 11:14pm On Jan 11
XxSabrinaxX:

Makes no sense. If god was truly omnibenevolent and omnipotent, atheists wont exist.
PS I searched for him with my whole heart. That's how I ended up being atheist.


Are you sure you did search for Him with your whole heart? Because millions including I did search for Him, and found Him.
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by XxSabrinaxX(f): 11:17pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


Are you sure you did search for Him with your whole heart? Because millions including I did search for Him, and found Him.
What are you trying to suggest? That I didn't search for him with my whole heart? How do you know?
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by LordReed(m): 11:19pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


Do you realise that somewhere in the part of the world someone slept yesterday and didn't wake up this Friday morning? The key word in your comment above is "expectation." You are expecting to wake up tomorrow, that is faith bro.

That is not faith. You already admitted faith operates on a lack of evidence, you want to now change it to another thing.
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by HellVictorinho(m): 11:22pm On Jan 11
XxSabrinaxX:

What are you trying to suggest? That I didn't search for him with my whole heart? How do you know?
He also claims to know God.
Perhaps, God told him so. grin
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by XxSabrinaxX(f): 11:22pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


Do you realise that somewhere in the part of the world someone slept yesterday and didn't wake up this Friday morning? The key word in your comment above is "expectation." You are expecting to wake up tomorrow, that is faith bro.
Yes. People die in their sleep. But there's nothing remotely supernatural about this. I suggest studying some neuroscience. The most common cause of death in sleep is malignant cardiac arrhythmia (abnormal heart rhythm). There's also the disturbance of natural sleep by drugs, alcohol, and other substances; another worrisome cause of sudden death in sleep. There's also carbon monoxide poisoning in sleep, whether one is sleeping at home or in a vehicle. That's why its advised to install carbon monoxide detectors in some houses.
Not to mention, we have evidence of people sleeping and waking up for centuries. One doesn't need faith to know he'll wake up tomorrow.
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by bloodofthelamb(m): 11:23pm On Jan 11
HellVictorinho:

"Finding God" is a predicament.

He who comes to God must believe that He exist. God is a rewarder of those who delligently seek Him. The first step is to believe with your whole heart and mind that He is.
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by XxSabrinaxX(f): 11:26pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


He who comes to God must believe that He exist. God is a rewarder of those who delligently seek Him. The first step is to believe with your whole heart and mind that He is.
You've said nothing. Your statement could easily be applied to Buddha and it will still be true:

"He who comes to Buddha must believe that Buddha exist. Buddha is a rewarder of those who delligently seek Him. The first step is to believe with your whole heart and mind that He is.
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by HellVictorinho(m): 11:26pm On Jan 11
LordReed:


That is not faith. You already admitted faith operates on a lack of evidence, you want to now change it to another thing.
His God does whatever he likes.
He is following in His footsteps here .wink
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by HellVictorinho(m): 11:28pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


He who comes to God must believe that He exist. God is a rewarder of those who delligently seek Him. The first step is to believe with your whole heart and mind that He is.
"Coming to God" is also a predicament.

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Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by bloodofthelamb(m): 11:36pm On Jan 11
XxSabrinaxX:

What are you trying to suggest? That I didn't search for him with my whole heart? How do you know?

If you did, you would have found Him. A coin was hidden in a room. Two people went in search of it. The first person went in and seeked it lazily and shabbily, after a while he came out screaming, "there is no coin in the room."

The second person went in and seeked patiently and delligently. He ended up finding it . Be still and you will know that He is.
Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by XxSabrinaxX(f): 11:45pm On Jan 11
bloodofthelamb:


If you did, you would have found Him. A coin was hidden in a room. Two people went in search of it. The first person went in and seeked it lazily and shabbily, after a while he came out screaming, "there is no coin in the room."

The second person went in and seeked patiently and delligently. He ended finding it . Be still and you wii know that He is.
What do you mean I would have found him? You can't just conclude that I searched "lazily and shabbily" because I ended up as an atheist. You don't know me.
It is an informal logical fallacy to conclude I didn't search with my whole heart.
Someone who once took his Christian faith seriously may have sacrificed a great deal for it. A person may have made decisions, including where to live or who to marry, based on Christian beliefs. Someone may have dedicated much of his life to prayer, and denied himself certain things in order to please God. A person may even have attended seminary and become clergy.
If a believer has done these things and later became an unbeliever, you can be pretty sure he did not walk away from his faith on a lark. On the contrary, it's likely the person tried quite hard to maintain it. But faith can evaporate for many reasons, and sometimes the experience entails an enormous amount of anxiety, grief and loss.
Telling such a person that he never searched is like saying no part of that life really mattered, and that the loss and pain weren't real. It's like telling someone who has gone through a divorce that she never really loved her spouse, and the marriage was a sham.
Ironically, it is often those people who spent a great deal of time and effort learning about Christian theology who eventually realized they could no longer accept it - People like me.
It’s precisely because faith was important in their lives that they asked a lot of questions, and found the answers nonsensical.
Unquestioned faith is often shallow faith, and it's offensive to be condemned by Christians who haven't bothered to examine their own beliefs.
Often, it appears to former believers that believers are so afraid to lose their own faith, they feel safer believing it's simply impossible.
But they're wrong. It happens all the time.

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Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by HellVictorinho(m): 11:50pm On Jan 11
XxSabrinaxX:

What do you mean I would have found him? You can't just conclude that I searched "lazily and shabbily" because I ended up as an atheist. You don't know me.
It is an informal logical fallacy to conclude I didn't search with my whole heart.
Someone who once took his Christian faith seriously may have sacrificed a great deal for it. A person may have made decisions, including where to live or who to marry, based on Christian beliefs. Someone may have dedicated much of his life to prayer, and denied himself certain things in order to please God. A person may even have attended seminary and become clergy.
If a believer has done these things and later became an unbeliever, you can be pretty sure he did not walk away from his faith on a lark. On the contrary, it's likely the person tried quite hard to maintain it. But faith can evaporate for many reasons, and sometimes the experience entails an enormous amount of anxiety, grief and loss.
Telling such a person that he never searched is like saying no part of that life really mattered, and that the loss and pain weren't real. It's like telling someone who has gone through a divorce that she never really loved her spouse, and the marriage was a sham.
Ironically, it is often those people who spent a great deal of time and effort learning about Christian theology who eventually realized they could no longer accept it - People like me.
It’s precisely because faith was important in their lives that they asked a lot of questions, and found the answers nonsensical.
Unquestioned faith is often shallow faith, and it's offensive to be condemned by Christians who haven't bothered to examine their own beliefs.
Often, it appears to former believers that believers are so afraid to lose their own faith, they feel safer believing it's simply impossible.
But they're wrong. It happens all the time.
Don't be concerned anymore.
Even as an atheist, you are still a ruby.
In the Name of Sabrine I pray, Amen. cool

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Re: How Religious People Think The Burden Of Proof Works by XxSabrinaxX(f): 11:53pm On Jan 11
HellVictorinho:

Don't be concerned anymore.
Even as an atheist, you are still a ruby.
In the Name of Sabrine I pray, Amen. cool
LoL

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