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|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by spongeisback: 1:16pm On Jan 11|
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|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Goshen360(m): 5:35pm On Jan 11|
I won't quote the whole post of generationz and my regular friend on this discussion, codetempler because that will be too much responding to each of you one by one and line by line.
However, I understand it's difficult to separate a die loyalist of you guys Oyedepo from if anyone criticize him fairly but some of don't know me like I said earlier, I have been part of the winners churches and mentioned names and also part of the administration of the badagry branch before moving to the United States. I have nothing against Oyedepo as a person I'm simply against his system of operations from my understanding of the word of God.
You can disagree ffrom your perspective and I disagree from my perspective. There is no such practice where monies are taken from millions of people and committed into project that are still not AFFORDABLE to vast majority of the people.
One person said tithe was taken for one year and does that make up good money to be enough....listen, who's talking about one year tithes being collected. You know in your heart that people have being paying Tithe into that system for years and not to talk of offering and Shiloh sacrifice are also seed sowing in case you forgot to mention that too.
If you guys can't see past your nose, we that does will sure speak up at every given time and I'm not afraid to criticize Oyedepo and these systems that are used under the non profit organization.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Goshen360(m): 6:37pm On Jan 11|
I really hate to continue arguing with you because you're not catching the basis of my argument.... let me do this since you keep equating covenant university with other government high fee , let me ask you.....UNLIKE OYEDEPO....since you agreed the money comes from various sources including members tithe and offerings and Shiloh sacrifice etc.....who are the subsidized government institution COLLECTING TITHE AND OFFERING from to run or operate the institution?
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Ranchhoddas(m): 6:50pm On Jan 11|
generationz:You don win.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Ranchhoddas(m): 6:56pm On Jan 11|
We must be fair in our criticism. Even if we want to say they collect tithes and offerings to fund their projects, one thing we can't take away from Winners is that they run it it well.
The monies are used judiciously and for that we must commend and even imitate them.
If all the money government gets is used the way Winners use theirs Naija for don go far well well.
@OP how can you say the estate is the size of Abakaliki. Which kind lie be that?
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 7:41pm On Jan 11|
Goshen360:Do you pay tax at all or have heard of tax before?
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 7:50pm On Jan 11|
Goshen360:You are being delusional with your demands. Show us one church or ministry that takes token as tithes and then uses it to provide expensive service to all members.
If you know any poor person trying to get admitted to that school please tell them about the scholarship and stop the ignorance.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Goshen360(m): 12:20am On Jan 12|
Why will I show you if all of the churches are practicing the same thing I stand to criticize? It looks like you lost the basis of the argument. Smh! Typical Oyedepo diehard followers.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Goshen360(m): 12:25am On Jan 12|
Why won't I know about tax? Is taxation effectively being practice in nigeria? Do YOU pay INDIVIDUAL tax? If you do, how do you get your REFUND after filling income tax yearly? Is taxation the SAME AS tithes? Again I can see your diehard defense to DOMI but keep it up.... hopefully he or God will reward you.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Goshen360(m): 12:31am On Jan 12|
Thank you, this to me is fair criticism and again I do appreciate the man's input to the community but my simple criticism is, if a greater percentage that are willing to attend the university or rent these housing can't do so, it's unfair to me.... diehard Oyedepo defendants can say all they want to say....
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Goshen360(m): 4:30am On Jan 12|
Young man, let me tell you something:
Faith is not stupidity and both don't walk side by side.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by desiredhome: 7:58am On Jan 12|
I remember back in 2012, at one of the Church, the regional pastor was going from parish to parish, telling members how their GO promise the Oba of Ede land that if he gives them land he will build a university for them,
That the Oba has already given them over 200 hectares of land,
They gave every Church members piece of paper to contribute towards the building of that university at Ede, and that it's compulsory for the workers in the Church.
I was like, shey after contributing and the University is built, they will now put it 1million as tuition fee whereby I can not send my children to that same university?
Today they will tell you Holyspirit built the School, they are paying professors, Education is not cheap bla bla bla
So why collecting from the members when you know you careless about them? are there not orphans, widows, needy people in the workforce who were made compulsory to contribute?
I don't understand why they keep lying.
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|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by nduchucks: 4:01pm On Jan 12|
This thread is interesting . Some people are essentially alleging fraud and you are asking one of them about his/her religious belief. Please let's try to use point counter points with facts while excluding red herrings.
I'm enjoying the debate, but please keep it intellectual and objective.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 4:24pm On Jan 12|
nduchucks:If you have been reading comments then I hope you really comprehended them because i have been the only one trying to be factual here.
Is it gosghen360 that has been screaming "think, think think"? or the ones who cant answer a simple question you are calling factual?
Please quote the post with points and hoghlight these points let me see it.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 4:47pm On Jan 12|
desiredhome:Maybe that was true for redeem ( rccg ) but for Winners, i can tell you the financial model isnt anything like these haters scream about on the social media and mainstream media.
I challenge the main devil's advocate on this thread to show me where a church has successfully run any school thay way but all i get in return is emotional outbursts and assumptions from these guys.
Harvard as a school, has an endowment fund that good citizens can decide to will their estates to and believe me, people give their life saving to Harvard but that doesn't mean Harvard will now consult such a list of givers towards their endowment to grant scholarship to some poor folks who may be related to one or two donors or givers. That doesn't also mean they will now reduce the standard/fees of Harvard in order to accommodate every potential giver in their admission list. Never. Not even a scholarship to a giver will make sense.
My understanding of giving is this, when I give I am suppose to give in faith and expect my reward from God and not from Oyedepo or Adeboye or Oyakhilome.
The word of God tells us in Hebrew that Abel was more justified in his giving and this obtained a more excellent report because he had faith. Hebrews 11:4.
If as a christian I give towards a project I accepted God has approved of my church I wouldn't go back to a GO or church head to claim I gave #10,000 and therefore they must make the school affordable to me. My reward is from God and I can't comprehend why any sane mind will give in faith and be doing what you and those you support on this thread are doing. I have heard both Oyedepo from the head quarters and my local residence pastor say countless times that if anyone thinks his or her contribution will affect the day to day running of the ministry they should stop giving it and see if the church stops running. So why are people with half info always getting emotional? Why?
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 4:59pm On Jan 12|
Goshen360:I think I finally agree with you on something. So why not tell us what faith is to you and how am I suppose to apply faith all through my give and reward cycle as a believer. As usual, I am waiting.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 5:09pm On Jan 12|
Goshen360:Was the schools and houses built to make it affordable to all?
Even Harvard or Notre Dame doesn't survive on the model you are rooting for. believe me. I an still waiting show me any system that takes token and make it into expensive service affordable to all. Not even govt that takes tax forcefully can do that. Not even Saudi Arabia govt or Japan.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by nduchucks: 6:12pm On Jan 12|
My post was triggered by the question you asked a forumite. You asked whether he/she is Christian. I thought that could be interpreted as a red herring in a debate where accusations of fraud and deceit constitute a major focus.
I hope you find my reply helpful.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 6:35pm On Jan 12|
nduchucks:There is nothing wrong with that question given the fact the accused is a pastor who bases his action on scriptures. Or are you the guy I asked in an alternate moniker? If not that question is perfectly OK. Plus none of your co-travellers have matched me with fact yet. Just plain emotional outburst.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by nduchucks: 6:46pm On Jan 12|
My participation in any discussion on this thread is contingent on civility devoid of name calling.
May I suggest that you do not make presumptions about me, including references to alternate monikers or name calling including the using words like co-travellers, when you are in any dialogue with me?
If not, I'll be tempted to stop responding to you. Thanks
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 6:52pm On Jan 12|
nduchucks:You can run away of you want to I won't hold you.
Provide the points I have not been able to match point for point as you inferred.
Give me facts and not some childish mind game that ends with a threat of running away. I am waiting if you can provide the points in question.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by desiredhome: 11:05pm On Jan 12|
I have been in these Pentecostal churches for long so I know how they operate.
There is no difference between winners, rccg or any private owned Church (Pentecostal) when it comes to money, they have turn the church from spirituality materialism (pravate business).
There is nothing like devil advocate here, you can't hide away from the truth, building schools from the Church and the poor whereby only the rich can afford a scam, that is the issue here, I don't care how they operate/run their school.
Giving in faith to these men is all brainwashed lies you've been fed with, the reason we pay tax to government is so there will be better life for it's citizen, the reason we sow/ give to the Church is so that there will be meat(food) in the house of God as well care for the needy(members)
You don't give so that the pastorprenours will use it to build empire for themself, while over 70% of its member are poor and getting poorer.
You can tell that to your gullible followers Let them instruct their members to stop giving in just one year let us see how he will still be bragging of being the richest pastor
I ask again what is the impact of the Church to the society or even its members?
There is nothing like being emotional.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 11:55pm On Jan 12|
desiredhome:Hmmm... Did God give go ahead with the schools? Oyedepo for example told his church members about the vision of the school some 20 years before it was established and I doubt that could have been part of a scam.
Show a me a church that does what you are asking from the Pentecostal churches.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by desiredhome: 1:12am On Jan 13|
God is not an author of confusion, and God can not lie.
if for over 30years of Winners chapel where he said God told him to come and make his people prosper yet there are more poor and poorer people in his Church today despite all the Shiloh sacrifice etc they do (forget about all the packaging), I doubt if God will ask him to build school that only the rich and corrupt politicians stealing our money can afford.
Its only a man without conscience that will see his child or brother hungry and rather than assist him will tell him to go and pray and have faith while he is building mansions all over the place.
Until we realize that the Church of God is not the buildings that we spend billions upon billions to build but the people in the Church.
There are Churches, individuals that are giving affordable school even free, do your research and you will get result
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by ponziponzi(m): 5:56am On Jan 13|
Some of these people encouraging this act cannot even afford to attend or send their children to any of the schools or apartments built by their church. Some of them don't even have jobs and are really struggling but they will always defend their church or pastor. They can't help it, cognitive dissonance is real. I pity most of them.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 7:10am On Jan 13|
desiredhome:As far as divine prosperity is concerned, it is a one to one thing between the individual and God.
Didn't you read where a poster before you reminded us of how welfare schemes meant for the needy amongst us was hijacked by some pastors, deacons and member? Will God now honour the seeds or practices of such men and women just because they are under his prophet he told to make his people rich?
You are trying to make a divine mandate into a physical wealth transfer scheme here. Did Jesus heal everybody when on earth? No. bit he was sent to all. After honouring the Father in heaven, people still have the choice of wholeheartedly receiving him or rejecting him. Stop making a carnal scheme out of a divine mandate.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 7:20am On Jan 13|
desiredhome:The bold is up to you to prove by supplying info about any church or ministry doing such. Don't make claims and the ask me to prove it.
I hope nduchucks, is still following. These guys can't back up their "points" with any church doing what they advocated for. Just empty poverty inspired emotional outbursts.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by CodeTemplar: 7:25am On Jan 13|
ponziponzi:Just the same way some of the people encouraging the govt by paying tax can't afford 40k-50k federal university but that doesn't make the govt a bad one or a scam. Did the church say they are building the city for affordability sake of all? Just empty emotional outburst as expected. If anyone is too poor and wants to own one let him save his money or accept his/her fate after serving God.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by ponziponzi(m): 12:04pm On Jan 13|
Like I said before, all I feel is pity. The irony of the matter is that your kids may even grow up thinking like this, that will be really sad.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by Grace001: 12:21pm On Jan 13|
As a Christian we have to argue our points base on the scriptures. Honestly Nigeria churches are really derailing from the true teaching.
Count 1-10 growing churches in Nigeria, their aim and objective is to have 100,000 seater auditorium. The next is how to build a world class standard university, next project is to buy a private jet to daddy G.O
That’s the module oprandi for every churches now in Nigeria. 500,000 seater, university, private jet
And you hear some brainwashed members saying if you give in faith, you should expect the reward from God. When you already know that what you’re sowing or giving goes to module oprandi of the g.o 100k,500k auditorium. Mind you the sowing and giving continues because the church also have lots of project. The next will be the building of university, poor member keep sowing and giving but only expect reward from God.
Next project, daddy deserve a private jet because the ministerial work is too much for him. The giving and sowing continue by the poor members.
That’s not a church but a business center.
|Re: Pics Of Bishop Oyedepo Canaancity Massive Estate Ota by desiredhome: 1:16pm On Jan 13|
Does your divine property mean you should contribute your life saving for one man to live large while you live in penury?
What is wrong with you African? You claim to be more blessed for giving to your pastorprenour, yet you are the poorest in the world. Despite all the natural resources? :'
I think I have replied you earlier, it's either you are one of the scammer or one of the blind follower of this con men that just want to argue.
Stop living in illusions, face the real fact.
Until the Church have positive impact to the society, they are serving their belly not God
The housing estate you are talking about that you and over half of your members can't live in? Does Oyedepo know if people like you exist?
It's like you just learnt of emotional that is why you keep saying emotional while the facts are there.
What you people are good at is suffering and smiling
May God deliver you from these Pentecostal cabals
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