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How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 4:32pm On Jan 26, 2019
The Teaching Of Christ : John 8 : 4 - 7

they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground

The Teaching Of Paul : Ist Timothy 1 : 8-10

Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine


Christ was totally against the law of Moses but Paul promoted it. Christ recognize you can't be a man and not sin but Paul criminalize the act of sinning.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by hahn(m): 4:59pm On Jan 26, 2019
But it's all in the Bible approved by the same god. The god of contradictions

Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by budaatum: 5:22pm On Jan 26, 2019
hahn:
But it's all in the Bible approved by the same god. The god of contradictions
You need to know to separate the wheat from the chaff or you'd be killing and raping your neighbours in the name of 'God'.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by hahn(m): 5:24pm On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:

You need to know to separate the wheat from the chaff or you'd be killing and raping your neighbours in the name of 'God'.

Tell that to the god who decided to promote love and hate in the same book

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by budaatum: 6:17pm On Jan 26, 2019
hahn:


Tell that to the god who decided to promote love and hate in the same book
No god decided to promote anything! Books are written by humans for humans to read. How one chooses to understand, or misunderstand it is up to the reader and not some god.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by hahn(m): 6:18pm On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:

No god decided to promote anything! Books are written by humans for humans to read. How one chooses to understand, or misunderstand it is up to the reader and not some god.

Tell that to those who believe those books are divinely inspired

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by budaatum: 6:24pm On Jan 26, 2019
hahn:


Tell that to those who believe those books are divinely inspired
I just did. Those who care will care, and those who don't won't, but that's no reason to blame an imaginary god, or book, for an individual's ignorance.

In time, they will abandon their childish views, and if not this generation, then the next, or the one after it or the one after that, as they gradual evolve in understanding.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by xtivin2: 4:41am On Jan 27, 2019
He was born a Jew and knew moses all his life, you quoted him out of context, Saul himself was a product of God's grace
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Dybala11(m): 1:16pm On Jan 26, 2021
luvmijeje:

The Teaching Of Christ : John 8 : 4 - 7



The Teaching Of Paul : Ist Timothy 1 : 8-10



Christ was totally against the law of Moses but Paul promoted it. Christ recognize you can't be a man and not sin but Paul criminalize the act of sinning.
Oh boy, you've done a really poor job of reading of Bible as it's evident in your so called revelations.

"Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

"Luke 24:44- And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

"Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus only demonstrated what grace is in the scripture you quoted, he didn't condemn the woman neither did he condemn the law.
Also, Jesus was not in support of sinning as he told that woman in "John 8:11" that she should go and sin no more. Same thing with the man that has suffered infirmity for 38 years in "John chapter 5" where Jesus told him in verse 14 that he should go and sin no more.

As it's evident in the 3 scriptures that I quoted above, Christ is the fulfilment of the law, mind you there are other scriptures similar to this o.

Don't be in a rush to teach or point out so called errors, make sure you search the scripture, read it well and understand what you're reading by the help of the Holy Spirit before you draw hasty conclusions and teach heresies.


So I'm putting this directly to you to give a scripture where Christ directly stated that he hated the law or that he came to abolish the law?

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by CodeTemplar: 1:47pm On Jan 26, 2021
luvmijeje:

The Teaching Of Christ : John 8 : 4 - 7



The Teaching Of Paul : Ist Timothy 1 : 8-10



Christ was totally against the law of Moses but Paul promoted it. Christ recognize you can't be a man and not sin but Paul criminalize the act of sinning.
Stop talking nonsense with accounts. Did Jesus not clearly state he came to fulfil the same law you now want to twist another verse to say he was against? They came to test Jesus and he outsmarted them. Where did he reject the law?

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Kobojunkie: 11:57pm On Mar 19, 2021
luvmijeje:

The Teaching Of Christ : John 8 : 4 - 7
The Teaching Of Paul : Ist Timothy 1 : 8-10
Christ was totally against the law of Moses but Paul promoted it. Christ recognize you can't be a man and not sin but Paul criminalize the act of sinning.
Jesus Christ was not against the Law of Moses. He, in fact, lived and fulfilled the requirements of the Law on behalf of every Jew that would choose to follow Him(The New Covenant). undecided
Yes, Christ preached salvation and forgiveness of sins, but Paul was not really condemning or criminalizing sin in that particular instance but warning of the Christians of His time who had taken it upon themselves to try to preach the Old Covenant laws as if part of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as preached by Jesus Christ Himself.

1 Timothy 1 vs 4-11 (ERV)
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4. Tell them not to give their time to meaningless stories and to long lists of names to prove their family histories. Such things only cause arguments. They don’t help God’s work, which is done only by faith.
5. My purpose in telling you to do this is to promote love—the kind of love shown by those whose thoughts are pure, who do what they know is right, and whose faith in God is real.
6. But some have missed this key point in their teaching and have gone off in another direction. Now they talk about things that help no one.
7. They want to be teachers of the law,[a] but they don’t know what they are talking about. They don’t even understand the things they say they are sure of.

8. We know that the law is good if someone uses it right.
9. We also know that the law is not made for those who do what is right. It is made for those who are against the law and refuse to follow it. The law is for sinners who are against God and all that is pleasing to him. It is for those who have no interest in spiritual things and for those who kill their fathers or mothers or anyone else.
10. It is for those who commit sexual sins, homosexuals, those who sell slaves, those who tell lies, those who don’t tell the truth under oath, and those who are against the true teaching of God.
11. That teaching is part of the Good News that our blessed God gave me to tell. In it we see his glory.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 1:45am On Mar 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was not against the Law of Moses. He, in fact, lived and fulfilled the requirements of the Law on behalf of every Jew that would choose to follow Him(The New Covenant). undecided
Yes, Christ preached salvation and forgiveness of sins, but Paul was not really condemning or criminalizing sin in that particular instance but warning of the Christians of His time who had taken it upon themselves to try to preach the Old Covenant laws as if part of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as preached by Jesus Christ Himself.

If you read through the gospel books you will see alot of instances Christ was a law breaker. He broke the law when he did the work of healing on the Sabbath day. He also break the law when he went into the temple to drive away the sellers. He broke the law when he didn't allow them to stone the adulterer. Above all, he broke the law by going against the teachings of the religious leaders of those time. Christ was never a conformist.

But Paul was a conformist. He created a system on the back of a system that was already existing. A system of hierarchy. A system where only few were commissioned to hear from God directly while majority follow like sheep without questioning it. And that system still exist today, we have religion leaders who members can't question because they were the one that God called.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Kobojunkie: 4:58pm On Mar 20, 2021
luvmijeje:
If you read through the gospel books you will see a lot of instances
Christ was a lawbreaker. He broke the law when he did the work of healing on the Sabbath day.
Jesus Christ did not break any of the Old Covenant laws, and definitely not even the Sabbath laws when He healed people on the Sabbath day.

Mark 3 vs 1-6 (ERV)
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1. Another time Jesus went into the synagogue. In the synagogue, there was a man with a crippled hand.
2. Some Jews there were watching Jesus closely. They were waiting to see if he would heal the man on a Sabbath day. They wanted to see Jesus do something wrong so that they could accuse him.
3. Jesus said to the man with the crippled hand, “Stand up here so that everyone can see you.”
4. Then Jesus asked the people, “Which is the right thing to do on the Sabbath day: to do good or to do evil? Is it right to save a life or to destroy one?” The people said nothing to answer him.
5. Jesus looked at the people. He was angry, but he felt very sad because they were so stubborn. He said to the man, “Hold out your hand.” The man held out his hand, and it was healed.
6. Then the Pharisees left and made plans with the Herodians about a way to kill Jesus.
See in vs 6. that even after what they witnessed, they still did not have any crime to pin on Him, Jesus Christ. undecided

To understand how Jesus Christ did not in fact break any of the sabbath laws that were included in the Old Covenant, one first needs to understand the Sabbath law itself. Below passages constitute the declaration of the Sabbath laws in the Old Covenant.

Exodus 20 vs 8 -11 (ERV)
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8. “You must remember to keep the Sabbath a special day.
9. You may work six days a week to do your job.
10. But the seventh day is a day of rest in honor of the Lord your God. So on that day, no one should work—not you, your sons and daughters, or your men and women slaves. Even your animals and the foreigners living in your cities must not work!
11. That is because the Lord worked six days and made the sky, the earth, the sea, and everything in them. And on the seventh day, he rested. In this way, the Lord blessed the Sabbath—the day of rest. He made that a very special day.
Jesus Christ forgave the sins of men on the Sabbath and that is not against the rules of the Sabbath.

Exodus 31 vs 12 -17 (ERV)
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12. Then the Lord said to Moses,
13. “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You must follow the rules about my special days of rest. You must do this because they will be a sign between you and me for all generations. This will show you that I, the Lord, have made you my special people.

14. “‘Make the Sabbath a special day. If someone treats the Sabbath like any other day, that person must be killed. Whoever works on the Sabbath day must be separated from their people.
15. There are six other days in the week for working. But the seventh day is a very special day of rest. That is the special day to honor the Lord. Anyone who works during the Sabbath must be killed.
16. The Israelites must remember the Sabbath and make it a special day. They must continue to do this forever. It is an agreement between them and me that will continue forever.
17. The Sabbath will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever.’” (The Lord worked six days and made the sky and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and relaxed.)
Jesus Christ's own disciples went into the fields to eat on the Sabbath, which is not against any Sabbath rules.

Leviticus 23 vs 3 (ERV)
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3. “Work for six days, but the seventh day, the Sabbath, will be a special day of rest, a holy meeting. You must not do any work. It is a day of rest to honor the Lord in all your homes.
Jesus Christ forgave a man his sins on the sabbath... that is not against any of the rules stipulated as part of the sabbath laws.

Deuteronomy 5 vs 12 -15 (ERV)
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12. ‘You must keep the Sabbath a special day like the Lord your God commanded.
13. Work six days a week and do your job,
14. but the seventh day is a day of rest in honor of the Lord your God. So on that day, no one should work—not you, your sons and daughters, foreigners living in your cities or your men and women slaves. Not even your cattle, donkeys, and other animals should do any work! Your slaves should be able to rest just as you do.
15. Don’t forget that you were slaves in the land of Egypt. The Lord your God brought you out of Egypt with his great power and made you free. That is why the Lord your God commands you to always make the Sabbath a special day.
Jesus Christ set people who were in bondage to sin free on the sabbath... that is not against the sabbath. He is indeed the Lord of the Sabbath as He declared. grin
luvmijeje:
He also break the law when he went into the temple to drive away the sellers.
He didn't break any of the Old Covenant laws when He drove the money changers from the Temple. undecided
luvmijeje:
He broke the law when he didn't allow them to stone the adulterer.
He didn't allow it?undecided
Jesus Christ did not stop them from doing what they were intending to do. He simply quoted another law from the same Old Covenant back at them, and let them decide for themselves what their next course of action would ....

John 8 vs 1 -11 (ERV)
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1. Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2. Early in the morning he went back to the Temple area. The people all came to him, and he sat and taught them.
3. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought a woman they had caught in bed with a man who was not her husband. They forced her to stand in front of the people.
4. They said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
5. The Law of Moses commands us to stone to death any such woman. What do you say we should do?”
6. They were saying this to trick Jesus. They wanted to catch him saying something wrong so that they could have a charge against him. But Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with his finger.
7. The Jewish leaders continued to ask him their question. So he stood up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned should throw the first stone at her.”
8. Then Jesus stooped down again and wrote on the ground.
9. When they heard this, they began to leave one by one. The older men left first, and then the others. Jesus was left alone with the woman standing there in front of him.
10. He looked up again and said to her, “Where did they all go? Did no one judge you guilty?”

11. She answered, “No one, sir.”
Then Jesus said, “I don’t judge you either. You can go now, but don’t sin again.”[a]
... and they decided that stoning the woman was not worth it.
luvmijeje:
Above all, he broke the law by going against the teachings of the religious leaders of those time. Christ was never a conformist.
He did not break the law by going against the teachings of the religious leaders of the time. undecided

The Old Covenant Law came from God Himself and is documented in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy... Moses wrote it all down before he died. Those who set themselves up as "Teachers of the Law" were expected to teach the very Law as it was given to the people by Moses. However, they took it upon themselves to instead teach doctrines and commandments(of men) in place of the Law of Moses to God's people, deceiving the people with their lies in the process. And this in direct disobedience of God's own commandment included in that same Law which commanded against the adding and removing from the commandments of God given through Moses.

Deuteronomy 4 vs 1-2 (ERV)
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1. “Now, Israel, listen to the laws and to the commands that I teach you. Obey them and you will live. Then you can go in and take the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.
2. You must not add to what I command you. And you must not take anything away. You must obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you.
Jesus Christ knew very well that what they taught were lies and He pointed this ought every chance He got.
luvmijeje:
But Paul was a conformist. He created a system on the back of a system that was already existing. A system of hierarchy.
Well, it seems that way, sure! undecided
luvmijeje:
A system where only few were commissioned to hear from God directly while majority follow like sheep without questioning it. And that system still exist today, we have religion leaders who members can't question because they were the one that God called.
But, was it Paul's intention to create a "system"? Remember, that the writings attributed to Paul are in fact letters that were meant to specific audiences and not to the entire world. Anyways, just thinking out loud there. undecided
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 10:49pm On Mar 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not break any of the Old Covenant laws, and definitely not even the Sabbath laws when He healed people on the Sabbath day.
See in vs 6. that even after what they witnessed, they still did not have any crime to pin on Him, Jesus Christ. undecided

Let's go back to the scripture you quoted Mark 3 : 2

Some Jews there were watching Jesus closely. They were waiting to see if he would heal the man on a Sabbath day. They wanted to see Jesus do something wrong so that they could accuse him.


Before the emergence of Christ, was there anyone who have performed a miracle on a Sabbath day? Law is an establish rules and norms among a group of people. Christ went against it. In order to prove to you that laws is an establish rules and norms among a group of people, let's go back to the scripture you quoted. Exodus 20:11


11. That is because the Lord worked six days and made the sky, the earth, the sea, and everything in them. And on the seventh day, he rested. In this way, the Lord blessed the Sabbath—the day of rest. He made that a very special day.


Moses made the 7th day a rest day simply based on his belief God rested on the 7th day. The law was created by a man and for centuries the keeper of the laws have enforced it. Christ came from nowhere to break the law. He only escape the consequences simply because what he did was done in Public.

Let's go to point 2.

He didn't break any of the Old Covenant laws when He drove the money changers from the Temple

He absolutely did. Exodus 30 :12 - 13

The Lord said to Moses, When you take the census of the people of Israel, then each shall give a ransom for his life to the Lord when you number them, that there be no plague among them when you number them. Each one who is numbered in the census shall give this: half a shekel according to the shekel of the sanctuary (the shekel is twenty gerahs),half a shekel as an offering to the Lord.


The money changers has been in the temple for centuries in response to the above law before the emergence of Christ. By sending them away he broke the law.


He didn't allow it?undecided
Jesus Christ did not stop them from doing what they were intending to do. He simply quoted another law from the same Old Covenant back at them, and let them decide for themselves what their next course of action would ...
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According to your quote above, his speech stop them from doing the lawful act they were about to carry out.

The Old Covenant Law came from God Himself and is documented in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy... Moses wrote it all down before he died. Those who set themselves up as "Teachers of the Law" were expected to teach the very Law as it was given to the people by Moses. However, they took it upon themselves to instead teach doctrines and commandments(of men)

Hello!!!! The law of Moses was the law of man! Was Moses a spirit? Moses was a man like you and I. Do you know the so called 10 commandments were all broken by the Isrealites in other lands and they were all sanctioned by Moses. One example. Exodus 20:15... The Law

15 “You shall not steal.

The People of Israel went to many wars to steal lands that is not theirs. Moses led them to wars based on a story that happened 400 years before Moses was born. The promised land was a stolen lands. After God told them not to steal, they proceeded to steal lands that doesn't belong them by using God's name.

The Pharisees and today Christianity learnt their hypocrisy from Moses.


But, was it Paul's intention to create a "system"? Remember, that the writings attributed to Paul are in fact letters that were meant to specific audiences and not to the entire world. Anyways, just thinking out loud there

Apostle Paul is a great teacher and he has done his part to contribute the body of knowledge but what I hate is the fact that the religionist have created a world where his work cannot be question nor any of the work in the Bible. When you question it, one will be call a devil or be demonise.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Kobojunkie: 11:07pm On Mar 20, 2021
luvmijeje:
Let's go back to the scripture you quoted Mark 3 : 2
Some Jews there were watching Jesus closely. They were waiting to see if he would heal the man on a Sabbath day. They wanted to see Jesus do something wrong so that they could accuse him.
Before the emergence of Christ, was there anyone who have performed a miracle on a Sabbath day? Law is an establish rules and norms among a group of people. Christ went against it. In order to prove to you that laws is an establish rules and norms among a group of people,
Jesus Christ was not the first person in the history of Israel to perform miracles. So they were well aware of what miracles were, the Teachers of the Law, that is. undecided
luvmijeje:
let's go back to the scripture you quoted.
Exodus 20:11[b]
11. That is because the Lord worked six days and made the sky, the earth, the sea, and everything in them. And on the seventh day, he rested. In this way, the Lord blessed the Sabbath—the day of rest. He made that a very special day.[/b]

Moses made the 7th day a rest day simply based on his belief God rested on the 7th day. The law was created by a man and for centuries the keeper of the laws have enforced it. Christ came from nowhere to break the law. He only escape the consequences simply because what he did was done in Public.
Well, this would be true if the Law also provided an excuse of some sort for crimes committed in public which it didn't. The reason they could not pin a crime against Jesus Christ in this case is simply because by the Law itself, miracles are not deemed work(since they are believed to come from God Himself) and so, not against the Sabbath.
luvmijeje:
Let's go to point 2.
He absolutely did. Exodus 30 :12 - 13
The Lord said to Moses, When you take the census of the people of Israel, then each shall give a ransom for his life to the Lord when you number them, that there be no plague among them when you number them. Each one who is numbered in the census shall give this: half a shekel according to the shekel of the sanctuary (the shekel is twenty gerahs),half a shekel as an offering to the Lord.

The money changers has been in the temple for centuries in response to the above law before the emergence of Christ. By sending them away he broke the law.
The temple probably had cashiers for centuries but not money changers(currency exchangers), no. undecided
luvmijeje:
According to your quote above, his speech stop them from doing the lawful act they were about to carry out.
Jesus Christ only spoke words to them, and those words caused the men to reevaluate their actions. He did not stop them... He simply reminded them of what the Law indeed says they should also be willing to consider before they cast the first stone. undecided
luvmijeje:
Hello!!!! The law of Moses was the law of man! Was Moses a spirit? Moses was a man like you and I. Do you know the so called 10 commandments were all broken by the Isrealites in other lands and they were all sanctioned by Moses. One example. Exodus 20:15... The Law
15 “You shall not steal.
The People of Israel went to many wars to steal lands that is not theirs. Moses led them to wars based on a story that happened 400 years before Moses was born. The promised land was a stolen lands. After God told them not to steal, they proceeded to steal lands that doesn't belong them by using God's name.
The conquered people and took their land and property in much the same way as many other people did.
luvmijeje:
The Pharisees and today Christianity learnt their hypocrisy from Moses.
If you want to believe that, ok. undecided
Apostle Paul is a great teacher and he has done his part to contribute the body of knowledge but what I hate is the fact that the religionist have created a world where his work cannot be question nor any of the work in the Bible. When you question it, one will be call a devil or be demonise. [/quote]They did not create such a world. His words are being questioned right now by people like you and I. undecided
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Dtruthspeaker: 11:44pm On Mar 20, 2021
luvmijeje:

The Teaching Of Christ : John 8 : 4 - 7

The Teaching Of Paul : Ist Timothy 1 : 8-10

Christ was totally against the law of Moses but Paul promoted it. Christ recognize you can't be a man and not sin but Paul criminalize the act of sinning.

Na wa oh, it's a very terrible thing for an uninformed to pass judgement on a matter they do not understand or comprehend. shocked

How can you call this a Contention when you laid the Conduct and Judgment of Christ.as Against the Commentary of the Aims, Goals and Purpose of The Law as presented by Lawyer Paul?

Are they opposing and cancelling out each other?

Or is it that you do not know that.Against means directly opposing views on the same subject matter?

So how is the case of Judgement for Adultery opposite and Against the Presentation of The End or Goal of The Law?
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Dtruthspeaker: 11:57pm On Mar 20, 2021
luvmijeje:

If you read through the gospel books you will see alot of instances Christ was a law breaker. He broke the law when he did the work of healing on the Sabbath day. He also break the law when he went into the temple to drive away the sellers. He broke the law when he didn't allow them to stone the adulterer. Above all, he broke the law by going against the teachings of the religious leaders of those time. Christ was never a conformist

Israel "broke, destroyed and perverted The Law,

Extracts from Jeremiah 2, 3 and 5

For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: THEY ARE WISE TO DO EVIL, BUT TO DO GOOD THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE.

Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

Chapter 5
Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God.

For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

27 As a cage is full of birds, SO ARE THEIR HOUSES FULL OF DECEIT
: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.

28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; AND MY PEOPLE LOVE TO HAVE IT SO: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

But The Lord Jesus Christ Re-Righted It and Restored it back to Its Original True Form!

Malachi 3:1-3
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

3 [b]And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver,
that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 5:39am On Mar 21, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was not the first person in the history of Israel to perform miracles. So they were well aware of what miracles were, the Teachers of the Law, that is. undecided
Well, this would be true if the Law also provided an excuse of some sort for crimes committed in public which it didn't. The reason they could not pin a crime against Jesus Christ in this case is simply because by the Law itself, miracles are not deemed work(since they are believed to come from God Himself) and so, not against the Sabbath.
The temple probably had cashiers for centuries but not money changers(currency exchangers), no. undecided
Jesus Christ only spoke words to them, and those words caused the men to reevaluate their actions. He did not stop them... He simply reminded them of what the Law indeed says they should also be willing to consider before they cast the first stone. undecided
The conquered people and took their land and property in much the same way as many other people did.
If you want to believe that, ok. undecided
Apostle Paul is a great teacher and he has done his part to contribute the body of knowledge but what I hate is the fact that the religionist have created a world where his work cannot be question nor any of the work in the Bible. When you question it, one will be call a devil or be demonise. They did not create such a world. His words are being questioned right now by people like you and I. undecided

Do you see any similarity between the Isrealites and the Fulani herders. The Fulani herders can kill because of their religion but they don't mind stealing other people's land, killing the landowners simply because they believe the instructions in their holy books only applies to their kind. Moses did worst more than what herders are doing now. How do you think the recipient of these evil felt?

Anyway, thank you from restraining yourself from taking this as a personal attack. This and many more are the reasons I stopped being religious.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 5:42am On Mar 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Israel "broke, destroyed and perverted The Law,

Extracts from Jeremiah 2, 3 and 5

For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: THEY ARE WISE TO DO EVIL, BUT TO DO GOOD THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE.

Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

Chapter 5
Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God.

For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

27 As a cage is full of birds, SO ARE THEIR HOUSES FULL OF DECEIT
: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.

28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; AND MY PEOPLE LOVE TO HAVE IT SO: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

But The Lord Jesus Christ Re-Righted It and Restored it back to Its Original True Form!

Malachi 3:1-3
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

3 [b]And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver,
that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

Oga, where was Christ mentioned in the book of Malachi? How do you know it was Christ they were referring to?
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by truespeak: 7:39am On Mar 21, 2021
luvmijeje:


Oga, where was Christ mentioned in the book of Malachi? How do you know it was Christ they were referring to?

shocked Otio o!

Even in spite of the Word "The Lord" Clearly expressed therein?

Or is Christ not referred to as "The Lord"?

Abi, you get another "The Lord"? shocked in defiance of Christ whom is The Lord as Clearly Seen and Declared All Over the Bible?
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Dtruthspeaker: 7:41am On Mar 21, 2021
luvmijeje:


Oga, where was Christ mentioned in the book of Malachi? How do you know it was Christ they were referring to?

Aha, Which Other Messenger came after that Prophecy in Malachi, was it Not Christ?

And which other Messenger has come AFTER Christ, even up till now?

Is there Any?

No, not a one.

All The Prophecies of The Coming of The Promised One, Messenger, Anointed One were Fulfilled and Extinguished with Christ Jesus!

And After Christ, there has been None Other!
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 8:17am On Mar 21, 2021
truespeak:


shocked Otio o!

Even in spite of the Word "The Lord" Clearly expressed therein?

Or is Christ not referred to as "The Lord"?

Abi, you get another "The Lord"? shocked in defiance of Christ whom is The Lord as Clearly Seen and Declared All Over the Bible?


The Lord is a title. Most European noble ranks are called Lords. So again, how do you know it was Christ being refer to?
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 8:33am On Mar 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Aha, Which Other Messenger came after that Prophecy in Malachi, was it Not Christ?

And which other Messenger has come AFTER Christ, even up till now?

Is there Any?

No, not a one.

All The Prophecies of The Coming of The Promised One, Messenger, Anointed One were Fulfilled and Extinguished with Christ Jesus!

And After Christ, there has been None Other!

There are alot of messengers who had come in the manner of Christ. And till today they still have alot of followers.

Expand your mind. Learn to see the world around you. Learn to see God outside of your little bubble. Stop putting God in a box.

What if you are the Lord the world has been waiting for? What if the Lord has not come?

We can't continue relying on 15th century teachings. Moses, Christ, Paul and so on on have contributed to their own generations. We need new teachers and Prophets that will arise to contribute to their own generations and contribute generally to the body of knowledge.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Dtruthspeaker: 8:46am On Mar 21, 2021
luvmijeje:

There are alot of messengers who had come in the manner of Christ

That is not True!

And you missed the Most important Requirement in Truly saying "are alot of messengers" whereas the Prophecies Clearly Stated that ONE was to come from God, NOT "A LOT" as you Truly said. grin

grin The Fastest Way to Spot A Fake, A Lie and A Wicked Distraction From The Truth! grin
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 8:57am On Mar 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


That is not True!

And you missed the Most important Requirement in Truly saying "are alot of messengers" whereas the Prophecies Clearly Stated that ONE was to come from God, NOT "A LOT" as you Truly said. grin

grin The Fastest Way to Spot A Fake, A Lie and A Wicked Distraction From The Truth! grin


But we all don't know the 'one'. The Messengers that came after Christ also claimed they are from God.

What if they are all right? What if they are all wrong? What if you are the one the world has been waiting for?
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by truespeak: 9:03am On Mar 21, 2021
luvmijeje:


The Lord is a title. Most European noble ranks are called Lords. So again, how do you know it was Christ being refer to?

Please stop being ridiculous grin

You for kukuma bring Buhari na since im na "lord" for and over your country grin grin

But you know we speak about one Lord even Jesus Christ as was reported through and in the Bible and even in 1 Corinthians 8:6 just to drop one!

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him".

I know you know this, so bros, abeg, no dey shame yourself for public grin grin
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by luvmijeje(f): 9:07am On Mar 21, 2021
truespeak:


Please stop being ridiculous grin

You for kukuma bring Buhari na since im na "lord" for and over your country grin grin

But you know we speak about one Lord even Jesus Christ as was reported through and in the Bible and even in 1 Corinthians 8:6 just to drop one!

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him".

I know you know this, so bros, abeg, no dey shame yourself for public grin grin

I don hear o.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by truespeak: 9:09am On Mar 21, 2021
luvmijeje:


I don hear o.

grin grin
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Dtruthspeaker: 9:59am On Mar 21, 2021
luvmijeje:

But we all don't know the 'one'. The Messengers that came after Christ also claimed they are from God.

As i have pointed out to you earlier, that is the difference between Lies and Truth. The Prophecies were very Clear and Specific as to the Where (place) the How (means or manner) He Shall Come, the What things He Shall Do and even His Departure from the earth!

It was very precise and most especially as One came and left fulfilling each and every ingredient of this prophecy WITHOUT A SINGLE ELEMENT OUT OF PLACE!

luvmijeje:

What if they are all right? What if they are all wrong? What if you are the one the world has been waiting for?

There are no what ifs in Truths only Conclusive Settled Proofs!

That's why they are already all Wrong!
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 4) by Kobojunkie: 11:24am On Mar 21, 2021
luvmijeje:

Do you see any similarity between the Isrealites and the Fulani herders. The Fulani herders can kill because of their religion but they don't mind stealing other people's land, killing the landowners simply because they believe the instructions in their holy books only applies to their kind. Moses did worst more than what herders are doing now. How do you think the recipient of these evil felt?

Anyway, thank you from restraining yourself from taking this as a personal attack. This and many more are the reasons I stopped being religious.
I didn't restrain myself at all. You have your eyes which see the world as it does and I have mine too. It's just that.

I have been a religious person because it does not go well with my constitution. I believe and know God -everything else is meaninglessness.

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