jalether:

You can't be serious. . . just tell me that was a joke

No joke man. . . . . Ricardo Carvalho was MOTM - even if he didn't anything else besides score that goal!

RuuDie:

No joke man. . . . . Ricardo Carvalho was MOTM - even if he didn't anything else besides score that goal!

That's where you got it wrong.

The concept of deciding MOTM based on who got the winning goal is extremely misleading as it doesn't neccesarily reward the best performer on the

pitch but rather who was lucky enough to score the winning goal. . . . Ozil, based on actual performance for 90 mins, was MOTM.

Your logic is akin to saying solskjaer was MOTM at the 1999 UCL final simply because he scored the winner (note, he wasn't even on the pitch for 90 mins)

whilst conveniently ignoring Peter schmeichel's exceptional performance that kept united in the game. (that's the best e.g I could find btw, but you get the drift)

So if the winning goal was an own goal, Who would the man of the match be?

How come Enyeama was MOTM when Nigeria lost to Argentina and not Heinze who scored the winning goal

This is from Marca, A Madrid based paper

http://www.marca.com/2010/09/11/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1284236040.html

Attempted translations below

Mesut Özil debuted at the Bernabeu in the official party. . Like Sami Khedira and Ricardo Carvalho. The goal became even luso. . But if the Real fans smiles when reviewing the game is thanks to the German of Turkish origin, the best player in the game.

In a match greyish, Özil took all the bulbs. Neither Christian nor rehabilitated recovered Benzema. German playmaker was the headlight of a mother who was born when the ball went through his left foot. He acted more like almost forequarter as a midfielder, initially by the right wing, but the physical side allowed him to change frequently. For example, in the play of the goal, a counter in the style of the Germany World Cup where he attended Christian before they're turned to Carvalho.

I wanted to laugh at the english before but saw the original language. Good for our boy

dayokanu:

So if the winning goal was an own goal, Who would the man of the match be?

How come Enyeama was MOTM when Nigeria lost to Argentina and not Heinze who scored the winning goal

Well in this case, it wasn't an OG!

You can re-translate Boole's laws of logic for all I care. . . . or is Marca now the official decider of who MOTM should now be in La Liga games!!?

Maybe Enyeama was PEAK or MTN naija MOTM - certainly not in Argentina.

jalether:

That's where you got it wrong.

The concept of deciding MOTM based on who got the winning goal is extremely misleading as it doesn't neccesarily reward the best performer on the

pitch but rather who was lucky enough to score the winning goal. . . . Ozil, based on actual performance for 90 mins, was MOTM.

Your logic is akin to saying solskjaer was MOTM at the 1999 UCL final simply because he scored the winner (note, he wasn't even on the pitch for 90 mins)

whilst conveniently ignoring Peter schmeichel's exceptional performance that kept united in the game. (that's the best e.g I could find btw, but you get the drift)

I really do appreciate the fact that you recognize the concept - & I also agree with you that in many instances, it is flawed. . . . . but that is just how it is sometimes and we have to accept it.

As per this discussion, I'm not doubting Ozil's ability; he is indeed a good footballer and yes, he had a very good game against Osasuna but how much of his talent are we gonna get the chance to see in a RM shirt, I wonder - when Kaka returns, what becomes of him!!? Already I reckon he is behind Khedira, Granero; even Canales & Pedro Leon in the pecking order but Dayo seems to think he is all that (as he does of anything German of course). . . . . dude just made the biggest mistake of his career.

RuuDie:

Well in this case, it wasn't an OG!

You can re-translate Boole's laws of logic for all I care. . . . or is Marca now the official decider of who MOTM should now be in La Liga games!!?

Maybe Enyeama was PEAK or MTN naija MOTM - certainly not in Argentina.

Enyeama was voted budweiser MOTM according to FIFA.com. Mind you FIFA is the organiser with no affiliation to Nigeria or Argentina

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=249722/match=300061460/index.html

RuuDie:

As per this discussion, I'm not doubting Ozil's ability; he is indeed a good footballer and yes, he had a very good game against Osasuna but how much of his talent are we gonna get the chance to see in a RM shirt, I wonder - when Kaka returns, what becomes of him!!? Already I reckon he is behind Khedira, Granero; even Canales & Pedro Leon in the pecking order but Dayo seems to think he is all that (as he does of anything German of course). . . . . dude just made the biggest mistake of his career.

I have told you that Ozils is not competing with khedira for positions just like a Zidane can compete with an Essien/Mikel obi for positions on a football field. his competitors are Kaka and Canales. He is behind Kaka and way ahead of Canales.

No one is under any delusion about this and I have said that until Kaka becomes fit, he would get his chances

Are you watching Ozil in this match again?

dayokanu:

Are you watching Ozil in this match again?

Yes man. . . . i watched the UCL game - RM vs Ajax & yes ur man was fantastic; but i'll attribute that more to Ajax's seeming inability or unwillingness to play, they let RM have it all their way. But did you watch the Sociedad vs RM game your man hardly got a kick of the ball. . . . & thats another thing that would count against your man; when the "miss ball don't miss leg" guys are on the turf, Ozil hides. 2 more games like this & i bet u he is history even before kaka shows!

Which Madrid player played well against Sociedad. That was a scrappy match and BTW why didnt you favourite Canales or Leon start over Ozil.

dayokanu:

Which Madrid player played well against Sociedad. That was a scrappy match and BTW why didnt you favourite Canales or Leon start over Ozil.

Calm down. . . . . JM is basically trying to keep an unchanged team; a carry-over of the "seemingly" impressive game against ajax.

Didnt canales start over ozil in the first game? How come he was dropped in favour of Mesut, If your unchanged team point is to hold water?

dayokanu:

Didnt canales start over ozil in the first game? How come he was dropped in favour of Mesut, If your unchanged team point is to hold water?

U act as though u don't know JM's policy ---- u don't cut it, u are off d team! Canales didn't perform well in that game; Ozil is still in there 'cuz he's done well in two games. . . . the next game is crucial, if he starts & doesn't play well then i bet u he's going 4 a spell on the bench.
Big issue here is not in his talent (or lack of it) but the he's playing for a club & manager desperately looking 4 success even if it comes at the expense of budding careers. The general RM enviroment is not very tolerant. This is where lots of people assume he's made a blunder moving to RM.

Ozil got subbed. . . . another game like this & he's headed for the bench!

Higuain, Dimaria were also subbed, We can assume they would be starting from the bench too

dayokanu:

Higuain, Dimaria were also subbed, We can assume they would be starting from the bench too

Man, do not deviate from the obvious. . . . . Ozil didn't have a good game & thats why he was taken off.

So what do we say about Ozil now?

Over the weekend he had 2 assists

Yesterday scored a goal.

Mr Ruudie, Where are the Canales, Pedro Leon and Van Der Vaart that would bench Ozil?

Comments awaited

Tbh I have been pleasantly suprised by Ozil and if he keeps this up there would be no room for Kaka who IMO is already past his peak and Mourinho as we all know is not sentimental actually no coach would bench Ozil now

Make Ruudie show him face now.

A40,

You always know with german players they never shy away from a challenge. See as Ozil and Khedira have become instant favourite at Bernabeu

There is no doubting, Ozil is the real deal. In the current Madrid squad, only a fit and in form Kaka can relegate him to the bench.

Bang bang bang.

Ozil scores another, Where is ruudie.

If this guy was English he would already be knighted. He has more skills in his right boot that the whole English professional footballers alloyed together

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch=/v/Gnz4n85vUSU&feature=player_embedded[/flash]

Check that first touch and how he skipped past the defender

^^Huh?? Nothing Special there

A-40:

Tbh I have been pleasantly suprised by Ozil and if he keeps this up[b] there would be no room for Kaka who IMO is already past his peak [/b] and Mourinho as we all know is not sentimental actually no coach would bench Ozil now

Where is Ruddie?

See ozil mesmerizing during the Madrid derby

ozil !!!!

no coach would bench Ozil

and someone said he wont play well in UTD cos of the formation

then fcking change the formation if you have a talent in ur midst

we lost another good player

Ozil by far is one of the best players in the world right now. canales what?
is Ruudie high on somethn?

I'm I the only one that notices/admires Ozil's superior football intelligence

His decision making has been nothing short of perfection

Where is Ruudie.

With the statements he made about Ozil, He should be sacrificed to Sanponna

dayokanu:

Where is Ruudie.

With the statements he made about Ozil, He should be sacrificed to Sanponna

No worries, He'll be here anytime soon

Ozil was totally drowned in the el-classico, he had to be taken off. He is begining to tread the path of Higuain, failing to show up in big games. He was also ineffective in the world cup s/final for Germany against Spain