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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 9:27am On Jul 09, 2016

hopefulLandlord:
Do lions need 'god-given' morality to understand how to care for their young, co-operate within a pack, or feel anguish at the loss of a companion? Why do we?
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If organized religion requires a civilization in which to spread, how could this civilization exist without first having a moral code to make us civil?

Lions have the ability to hurt but not the ability to reason around this hurt.

This is why a leader of one pride when he takes over anothers territory will first kill all the offspring from the vanquished leader so he can replace them with his own. Its in their system and has always been. Why can they not see anything wrong in that but we do?

There is a difference!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 9:24am On Jul 09, 2016

hopefulLandlord:
Rape wasn't always a crime in the Middle East two thousand years ago. Is that why 'do not rape' is not part of the Ten Commandments?

Its obvious you just want to jump in without first grasping what the issue is.

I am not talking about right or wrong or what is a crime or what isnt.

I asked a simple question.....WHY DO WE EVEN CARE? Why are we emotionally driven? Is emotions encoded in our DNA? If yes then is there a scientific proof to that effect?

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 9:12am On Jul 09, 2016

hopefulLandlord:
How dare you chose yahweh or allah, your ignorance is forgiven

Brahma is the creator of the universe

Vishnu keeps the world safe

And Shiva would eventually destroy the world

Bow to them and accept them to your life

Do not attempt to go for any lesser god

The greatest trimurti (Trinity) is what I just exposed you to

You can no longer claim ignorance

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 9:05am On Jul 09, 2016

dalaman:
Really? Are you asking me such questions.

Yes I am. Pray tell.

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 8:57am On Jul 09, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
4evergod2 , Dalaman is a cantankerous human being . And will argue till death rather than admit that to the existence of a supernatural creator . The subterfuge he employs during arguments is to state Old Testament texts - Judaism - condemn reprehensible acts of Christians of the 18th and 19th century and compare Christianty to other religions .

Nothing more , nothing less . Then it becomes threadbare and soporific . Same thing yesterday , today and maybe till he gives his life back to Christ . Winner01 and I will always argue about the same thing with him in a thousand different ways .

The young man is closer now to God than he was a week ago. He is beginning to think and not just argue. I pray he comes back to Christ because I am not just desirous of arguing with him but I genuinely love him and want him to come back home. The more he asks about life the more he would realise he does not understand.

If well read scientists, philosophers and all who had access to more information than he has and were once Atheists could turn around and accept Jesus into their lives and he is still using what these same scientists theorised when they were atheists and are now believers then he is living in a very fragile bubble.

He needs our prayers and not ridicule. God loves and needs him back home.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 8:23am On Jul 09, 2016

Dalaman when you were born...you cried and when your mom tickled you, you laughed.

Why did you not cry when tickled and why did you not laugh when born?

Who taught you which was which as a new born baby?

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 8:20am On Jul 09, 2016

dalaman:
There is no one reason but a combination of reasons, part of it is that we want to live in harmony with our neighbors, because we seek justice, because we are subjects to those that rule over us and have to obey what ever it is they carve out as laws for us, part of itbosnthat we are rational beings and can self reflect on our actions, part of it is that we have empathy etc. There are so many reasons and factors as to why people will want to act morally or abide by already set out moral codes of conduct. Saying that God made us moral is empty since human history and anthropology has shown that humans had to teach themselves morality.

How did we become rational? How is possible that we can reflect on our actions and a gorilla whom we evolved from cannot? If we had to teach ourselves morality who decides what is right and what is wrong and why does morality vary from place to place if we had to teach ourselves? Do u not see that this is bigger than just morality? There is something independent in us that makes us want to know for ourselves hence the differences in morality... but why?

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 8:16am On Jul 09, 2016

dalaman:
Are you asking me why people do go or bad? I really do not know how to answer you.

Now you are getting it. You simply do not know! But people still do it. So its back to the question.... WHY?

How come what is good for one is bad for another yet we do it and feel ours is right even when it is not.

WHY?

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 8:06am On Jul 09, 2016

dalaman:
Stop copying and pasting christians apologetic materials mindlessly without studying to see if they agree with the reality around you. I have told you that the Christian God is not the only God people believe in. About 70 percent of the world's population today does NOT believe in the Christian God. They believe in other Gods while others believe in no God's at all. But everybody strives to live in a moral and just society according to what ever they feel is moral or just for them. Saying that human beings are falling creatures as you have stated is empty and baseless christian mythology. 70 percent of the world's population do not believe that humans are fallen creatures. Saying that your God is the foundation of human morality is demonstrably false, because a majority of the world's population does not believe in your God and see their own God's as the foundation of whatever moral concept they chose to live by. I have been stating reality while you have been parroting your religuous dogma and make belief blindy. I can also parrot dogma and say that the sharia moral system is the only system of morality that the creator of humans passed down to us. That's what over 1.7 billion muslims say and it is true. Prove me wrong and show me that Allah did not pass down the sharia system as the best system for us as humans to Iive by.

Whatever religious belief or traditionalists can have their version of morals but WHY DO THEG EVEN CARE TO DO THAT? What is it that gives us this feeling that we need it..we desire it.

You keep going round in circles but all I ask is why we do what we do?

You said man began as savages so where did laws emanate from and why are all men not homosexuals or rapists or murderers? What makes one different from the next? Why do we even have the ability to choose? Why are we not simply zombified? Why do you feel rage? Rage is not related to physical pain so where is it coming from? Joy is not related to physical pleasure because one can be happy without physical pleasure so where are these coming from?

Who teaches a new born baby how to smile or cry and they grow up and know a smile is good and to cry is sad. But who taught them initially?

Even you cried when you were born. Whk taught you that?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 8:02am On Jul 09, 2016

dalaman:
If you lived and grew up in a society that accepts and practices beastiality you will not see any thing wrong with it. That is the reality of the matter.

The pictures below shows how Americans were living in 1801 just about 200 years ago. At that time lynching of black people was allowed and the people saw nothing wrong with it. They happily took pictures and posed with of the corpse of lynched black people. They even gathered together with their kids to take pictures with the corpse of lynched black men . These are just normal white Americans of that time who were mostly christians. They didn't see anything wrong with what they were doing because it was acceptable and even promoted by the society in which they lived in.

You are still not getting it. The Americans who did that did so for a reason. Those reasons where their morals back then but WHY DID THEY EVEN HAVE THOSE MORALS EVEN THOUGH BY COMPARISON TO TODAYS MORALS THEY ARE SEEN AS WRONG.

WHY WHY WHY?

I am not judging right from wrong and who is and who is not I am asking about why we even care tk do what we do in the first place be they right or wrong.

Young man you need to dig and not this surface reasoning

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 7:40am On Jul 09, 2016

dalaman:
Actually the joke is on you. You are just trying to tell me that God is the source of human morality but you have failed to show us how. Which God is the source of human morality among the many different God that we have? Why are there different set of moral codes? Why do some people see somethings as right and other see the same things as wrong if God is the source of human morality. I always give example with the Islamic sharia system. Muslims believe that the sharia system of morality is the best moral system that was given to Human beings by God himself. Do you agree to that? Why or why not? Did God really create the Sharia system and handed it over to humans as claimed by over 1.7 billion muslims? If sharia wasn't created by God as muslims claim then who created it?

There are tens of millions of Hindus that believe in the caste system of living. They happily accept it as a divine system of living that is ideal for humans as directed by their Gods. Is the caste system divine? Why or why not? And if it is not divine then who created it.

I have just given you two moral systems that I know you find abhorrent which the adherents claim were divinely inspired. Saying that God is the source of human morality is false because you haven't demonstrated it to be true. You are just stating it. Remember that there are many Gods and many different religions with very different moral codes of conduct that also claim that they got it from their own various Gods.

This is absolute proof of your lack of comprehension. I have told you on 2 occasions that I never said God is the source of moral codes which is why I kept asking you the question, " why are people searching for their own idea of morality"

I have told you repeatedly that you only see what you want to see.

If all systems and beliefs have different moral ethics why do they even have the moral ethics in the first place even when they vary and why the continuous quest for morality in all this chaos and vacuum?

You need to understand that God does not impose morality on anyone but gave a blueprint we are free to tinker with until we are satisfied enough.

This is like saying "how come women need men to reproduce and men need women to reproduce" why can we not have both men and women sharing one body? Why does one have breasts and the other doesn't and how is it that sperm is programmed to locate the egg and not something else and why would the egg shut out all other sperm cells immediately one fertilizes it...can both the egg and sperm think for themselves as creatures with a mind and brain do.

From the time of the Greeks, there have been many philosophers who have sought to prove that it is possible to have a universal morality without God. There have been many arguments presented to support this position, and in theory they may be right, depending on what one means by the word universal. They would say, all you have to have is a consensus on what is considered right and wrong behavior. Their position, with which I disagree, goes something like this:
First: If God is necessary for morality, then whatever God deems moral is moral. Therefore, why praise God for what He has done if He could have just as likely done the opposite, and it would have been equally moral. If whatever God says goes, then if God decreed that adultery was permissible, then adultery would be permissible. If things are neither right nor wrong independently of God's will, then God cannot choose one thing over another because it is right. Thus, if He does choose one over another, His choice must be arbitrary. But a being whose decisions are arbitrary is not worthy of worship.

Second: If goodness is a defining attribute of God, then God cannot be used to define goodness. If we do so, we are guilty of circular reasoning. That is, if we use goodness to define God, we can't also use God to define goodness.

Third: If one doesn't believe in God, being told that one must do as God commands will not help one solve any moral dilemmas.

Some philosophers, therefore, come to the following conclusion: the idea that a moral law requires a divine lawgiver is untenable.

What should be our response as Christians? We should point out to people who side with the preceding position their lack of understanding concerning both God and the nature of man.

God is the creator and sustainer of all things. We would not even be self aware, let alone aware of right and wrong, if God had not created within us His image, and therefore the ability to make moral distinctions. The truth is we have no reference point for all this discussion about morality except as God reveals it. For us to argue with the source of morality is for the clay to argue with the potter.

Some philosophers say that for God to define what is right or wrong is arbitrary. God is not arbitrary; He is the source of all life and therefore the source of all truth. We have no basis to even understand the concept of being arbitrary except in reference to an unchanging God. That which would be circular reasoning or arbitrary in discussions about ourselves comes into perfect focus as we bring the dilemma close to the universal, absolute focal point for all creation, God Himself.

The second problem with these arguments is that they fail to recognize the nature of man. If man were not fallen, i.e., not corrupted by sin, we would have limitless potential to create from within ourselves a universal moral code. But, we are a fallen lot, every last one of us, and therefore incapable of fully knowing what is good (Rom. 3:23). We are even incapable of carrying out what we do know to be good (Rom. 7:18-21).

So the question of right or wrong has everything to do with the origin of our belief, not just the substance of it. No matter how sincerely I believe I am right about some moral decision, the true test is in the origin of that belief. And God is the only universal and absolute origin to all morality

Is morality located only in the actions we see? If so, it will be very difficult to recognise the distinctive features of the moral vision of a Christian or the moral vision of a Hindu, Buddhist, Jew or Muslim. If we view morality in relation to the person as a whole, rather than just as the actions we see, however, then moral vision becomes more significant. What a person does will no longer be separated from why (s)he does it. Just like when you said you will not stop your kid from performing acts of Beastiality if the state permits it as law.....this is your moral identity based on who you are and explains why you said that.

But all we do just simply still asks the questions...Why do we even care? Why do we hate? Why do we love? Why do we have emotional reactions when we do not have a clue where emotions emanate from?

This shows that there is some form of encrypted design in us that nobody can explain but how? This can only be explained by how we think we emerged.

Evolution? If its evolution then science would have located the machinery for emotions by now or why we do what we do in the first place and not just move around without a care in the world

God? Its more plausible that someone yet unknown to us made us in such a perfect manner and we cannot understand or explain it same way its only the baker or cook that know his or her secret ingredient and you will keep playing the guessing game because you are not in on the secret.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 11:16pm On Jul 08, 2016

hopefulLandlord:
What an empty story

So all atheists must fear death?

Your Pathetic attempts at finding anything else common to all atheists asides our lack of belief in any god is getting pathological

Take a step back for a moment

Even theists can see your desperation

But hey, I'm just passing by

I'll leave you guys to it

See you in another thread

Yep keep trolling. Perhaps someday you will troll upon some common sense.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 10:44pm On Jul 08, 2016

dalaman:
Your God and his chosen men went around capturing children and forcing them into marriage according to the bible. It's all there in the bible. Even with your God and the elusive superior morality you are claiming child marriage was still practiced and allowed.

A friend of mine who was once an atheist like you bur now a believer shared something with me which he says scares him everytime he reflects on his days as an atheist.

He said at a point in his life as an atheist that it was as if every man made thing was speaking to him and ridiculing him. He said he actually felt like an iddiot.

He said back then he felt like he was driving a fast moving car and being about to have a head on collision with a truck and because he believed in nothing like morals actually expected the brakes to work themselves without his help.

He said that was how he felt whenever he thought of death. He had absolutely no control over it and it scared him because his self will should have been able to choose not to die but it couldnt. He couldnt even choose not to be sick. He said he felt more vulnerable then than he does now as a believer. That now even if he cannot apply the brakes he knows who can tell the brakes to apply themselves and they would do just that and he now knows who has assured him of life after this life.

Its not too late for you dalaman. I love you bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 9:33pm On Jul 08, 2016

dalaman:
There are already such laws in Nigeria and people already are doing it. Child marriage is acceptable in the very Nigeria you live in that's if you are living in the Northern part of Nigeria.

All laws are man made. If you grow up in such a society you will see nothing wrong with that. After all many muslims practice child marriage in the very Nigeria that we live in.

So with all the ways I tried explaining the crux of my question you still did not get it?

Ok let me ask you like I would ask my little kid , perhaps you would understand it then.

If I asked you to make sure a light bulb lights up and the switch is automatically designed to switch on and off would that switch light up the bulb in itself?

What I am asking you is like asking someone, " what causes you to breathe? Is it because tou suck in air through your nose that causes your lungs to expand and contract? Or do your lungs function even if you had no nose?

I thought you were smart but I guess you aren't. If you were smart then you would have realised that there ca be no Chicken without an egg and no egg without a chicken.

God has a huge sense of humour and you Atheists are here to give God and us some comic relief.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 7:58pm On Jul 08, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
No mind am . Dalaman claims he is dealing with reality and that there is no God , I wonder why he does not want to answer the question :

And if there is a law in a country supporting sexual acts with children , you'll allow a full grown man to molest your daughter because it is right according to the law , right ? Dalaman , I need your response yes or no ?

isn't this question is straightforward ? ... na wa oo

Even their oga pata pata will dodge the question like his life depends on it.

Dont you see how his colleagues will come and peek at the thread and see the questions being asked and quietly vanish? They know their nemesis when they see it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 7:52pm On Jul 08, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
The question again :

And if there is a law in a country supporting sexual acts with children , you'll allow a full grown man to molest your daughter because it is right according to the law , right ? Dalaman , I need your response yes or no ?

The guy has taken a voluntary retreat. The grilling no be here. Simple quesrions he is just jumping around like someone on hot coals

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 7:41pm On Jul 08, 2016

dalaman:
How do you know what is right or wrong? Your society teaches you what is right and what is wrong. If you grow up in Sweden you will grow up accepting homosexuality to be right and frowning at polygamy but if you grow up in northern Nigeria as a nuslim you will grow up frowning at homosexuality and accepting polygamy as right. Who tought you what is right or wrong apart from your society (parents, teachers, relatives, law enforcement officers etc)

Dalaman I love you bro but you disappoint me each time when you answer this question. You are looking at this on the surface while I am digging deep.

Listen again and this time try and understand before you respond.

A little boy born today as he grows up learns from the parents what they think is right or wrong and often times that kid chooses what to accept for himself just like you now who does not believe in God.

The ability to reason your way through life and make choices be they acceptable or not, where does that ability come from since its not found in the genetic code?

Its like when you are watching something on television and somebody asks you how the pictures came about and you begin to talk about the chips and all thag in the tv but you forget that without the manufacturer those chips would not even exist in the first place.

Gorilas show emotions.....HOW?
humans show emotions but can logically reason it out.......HOW?

WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT FROM THOSE WE SUPPOSEDLY EVOLVED FROM?

how come we are all lookibg for order and understanding from the chaos and vacuum?

How is it that you can get angry and also feel haply and know that its better to be happy than to be angry? Even little children without being taught display sadness, and joy....HOW DID THEY LEARN THIS WHEN ITS NOT GENETICALLY ENCODED.

SHEY YOU GRAB NOW?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 7:23pm On Jul 08, 2016

dalaman:
When slavery was allowed the people that brought this christianity to your grandparents were slave traders. Many muslims have no problem marrying kids because their religion permits it. Law's are made by men and varies from place to place. Whether you accept it or not remains your business. After all when slavery was acceptable to the ancients your God was even encouraging them to see their daughters into slavery.

You still dey drag this matter? You never answer question number one u dey jump go question 100.

Laws are made on what basis? Moral ethics prevalent in that region?

If true, who judges right from wrong? How do we know whats right from whats wrong even though such positions may vary from place to place? How come we have the ability to choose right or wrong?

Make I speak am for broken in case you ni grab still.

How one person take sabi say na in way sure pass the other one? Even you we no gree say God dey wetin make you fit know say God no dey or werin make u fit know say you fit even decide to change your mind? Shey na because we come from monkey abi na say na monkey teach us as e be say na dem be our great great grand parents.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 7:15pm On Jul 08, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
1 . North Korea is officially an atheist state and it makes it impossible for religion to thrive - it abolished religion and imposed atheism .

2. North Korea practiced communism from 1948-2014 . Communism is a conflation of Marxism and Leninism . Now Lenin , an atheist and political theorist was highly critical of religion, saying in his book Religion

Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism

This makes atheism a prerequisite for communism and the abolition of religion in a communist country inevitable .

3. North Korea tortures religious people and make them face ignominies because of their belief . They even kill the modicum religious people in their country . North Korea's president capriciously executes people too .

4. North Korea's leader , Kim Jong-un , became president 2011 prior to the supposed end of communism in the state. This explicitly makes him an atheist - he has to be one in order to rule a communist country .

5. If Kim Jong un were religious he would have abolished stringent laws against religion . But no , he is a wicked atheist .

6. When will you ever be a smart human being ?

How can he be smart when his colleague dalaman has confirmed that Atheism and Savagery are 5 and 6

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Christianity Etc › Re: Essay Causes Atheist To Seriously Question Beliefs by 4evergod2: 5:54pm On Jul 08, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
. Its so much fun when they say stupid things with confidence . I dont want to assume , I want him to respond for everyone to see . Im having a blast !

Johnydon22 , i just dey look you .

The guys eh! Na apian way dem like pass.

Politics › Re: PDP Presidential Campaign Rally In Borno by 4evergod2: 10:50am On Jan 25, 2015

Forwetinnah:
STFU!!
What rubbish is this hooligan typing? Henry Okah who was paid by some nuisances..same nuisances whose praise youre singing to high heavens is now Mend?? Did you even read the jargon you typed?
Mend was disbanded after the amnesty programme what we have now are ND militants, anyone claiming to be Mend can only deceive I;diots like you and the President was right afterall. Where were you when the DSS caught the Conmen Davies hired to do his dirty job? Where's the so called Davies now?? No market for them!! Anyone who beats his chest about killing innocent souls for whatever demon he worships deserves to be hanged in a public place? Imagine the hooligan who claims to be from the East blowing his trumpet for the North. Disgruntled BH member

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Politics / Re: GEJ - Boko Haram Disorganised My Plans For Govt by 4evergod2: 10:00pm On Jul 17, 2012
ALL JONATHAN SAID IN ESSENCE TO NIGERIANS IS SIMPLY THAT ALL THE WHILE HE HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT NO SINGLE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMME COULD BE CARRIED OUT BECAUSE OF BOKO HARAM SO ALL OUR MONEY HAS BEEN WASTED ON DOING NOTHING ALL THIS WHILE. THIS ZOO GORILLA FINALLY GETS MY AWARD AS THE DUMBEST C IN C WE HAVE EVER HAD. ALL THOSE WHO ARE BUYING INTO THIS LAME EXCUSE OF HIS IS JUST AS RE-TAR-DED AS HE IS. IS NIGERIA MORE PRONE TO TERRORIST ACTS THAN THE USA? YET THEY ARE FORGING AHEAD IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS AND ALL THIS FISHERMAN CAN SAY IS BOKO THIS AND BOKO THAT. THE SAME BOKO HARAM HE SAID WOULD BE ERADICATED IN JUNE. LOOK LETS ALL FACE IT NIGERIA AND NIGERIANS ARE IN FOR ONE HELL OF A BUMPY RIDE ALL THE WAY DOWNHILL IF THIS OGRE IS LEFT AT THE HELM OF AFFAIRS. I HAVE SAID MY PIECE.

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I may not know what I am saying or may be stu.pid as you claim that I am but above was my post in 2012 with a different moniker of mine. That was 2012 and now this is 2015...... Was I wrong in what i said in 2012 considering what we have now in 2015?

Business › Re: .::. Scam Alert : Omowunmi Allen And The Pre-order Mess .::. by 4evergod2: 9:22pm On Feb 18, 2013

surveyProf: Good evening Madam,
Actually from the background check I did 4 weeks ago, using Omowunmi Omotayo Allen's email address your post here on nairaland.com came out, with dat I hv no choice than to conclude dat you hv a hand in wat ever she does in NL, maybe you hv done so deals with her in the passed, n has to do with exchanging lots of mails with her, it happens.....

Finally, like I said yesterday, your mode of writting, responding to questions, frm your previous post look similar to dat of d defendant, be dat as it may, I hv not been able to check back ever since, BB man "Samuel Ekwueme" is my target.

Thank you!

You will achieve nothing by blocking my ids and my posts. Aim your bazooka at Wunmi and not bbfever which is my other ID. I am not the one who is withholding Aigbes funds so why waste resources on me? If you wish to block this ID as well keep doing so as this was the reason why i began opening up more and more IDs in the first place and will keep doing so unti;l you all begin to see reason and focus on the matter at hand which is how can Aigbes funds be released realistically and not name calling and image denting because we all have got skeletons in our cupboards even the Mod himself has his own share so lets not all act sanctimonious and pure when we know we are not. This is an opportunity to exercise the human spirit of mercy and love and what we do is bare our fangs in readiness to war and fight? Where are we headed as humans? I have contacted Wunmi on my own privately and am waiting for her to respond which i am sure she would. So if you wish ban my id again. its your loss.

Politics › Re: Should Buhari Contest For Presidency Again In 2015? by 4evergod2: 11:16pm On Dec 04, 2012

Chamber10: @OP, why are u avoiding to comment on the issues raised above? I'm all ears abeg

They say some are born deep thinkers while others have deep thinking thrust upon them. Obviously you and sincere 9gerian are not in any of those categories. Any right thinking Nigerian knows that the core issue with Nigeria is corruption. Falling standard of education can be traced to corruption, crime is traceable to corruption, quota system is simply corruption, Per infrastructure Obviously you dont know about the second port harcourt refinery which was built in the days of buhari and was refining 150,000 barrells of crude daily.

The government through the NNPC then under Buhari's leadership, expanded domestic refining capacity by contracting the building refineries in Kaduna (completed in 1980) and Warri (1978), and subsequently the expansion of Port Harcourt (1989) to a total national refining capacity of 445,000.

The NNPC under Buhari built the Warri and Kaduna refineries,20 depots and laid over 3000kms of pipelines,well over $1b was spent on TAM under Obj alone without any of them functioning.

Which Federal road was dilapidated in the days of Buhari? Name just one.

Politics › Re: Should Buhari Contest For Presidency Again In 2015? by 4evergod2: 10:52pm On Dec 04, 2012

Nashville: I am not sure how we expect to prove it, can you prove IBB or OBJ is corrupt. Lets be serious, where did Buhari get all the money he has been spending on three elections. Is it from his pension, or business interests. And please if they are donations, are the donations from honest Nigerians or corrupt Nigerians? Please explain. And please do not bring up building refineries in the South, he was not doing the south a favor, it was the only sensible thing to do! The Oil is produced in the South!

I laugh in Korean! Building refineries in the south was the only sensible thing to do by Buhari right? And i guess it became senseless to maintain them under GEJ. Who is the fool? The initiator and implimenter or the one who never initiates and never impliments?

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Politics › Re: Should Buhari Contest For Presidency Again In 2015? by 4evergod2: 10:45pm On Dec 04, 2012

0lumide: Everyone who has said something negative about Buhari can't prove it!!!!!1 It's all hear say!

I know in the West, PDP is dead and should CPC or any other party field any candidate that can sweep the north, and align with the west, the election is already won!!

SS/SE votes don't count when they keep voting the same party that has been impoverishing the people for over 12 years! Oh my God! Twelve years of same party and we expect change? Common people! Common!

Someone said people had to queue to buy stuffs during Buhari's regime. I bet you didn't see the launch of many apple products right?

Buhari is what Nigeria is yearning for.

How can Buhari be anti south when he helped build two refineries in the south and only one in the North? How? How? Are you guys dumb?

Buhari is an Islamist yet cut down on islamic pilgrimage due to the problem we were having with forex caused by pilgrimage?

Buhari fired 2mil civil servants because they weren't punctual to work? And that is a reason to hate him?

R.I.P TUNDE IDIAGBON!

Seriously, you people need to say something against Buhari, prove it's true, and then show us why such is bad for Nigeria simple!

BUHARI IS COMING BACK AND HE IS GOING TO WIN!

Dead right Partner...... dead right

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Politics › Re: Should Buhari Contest For Presidency Again In 2015? by 4evergod2: 10:36pm On Dec 04, 2012

Sincere 9gerian:
Mr born again easterner, you didn't tell us that Buhari sacked 2million civil servants during 2yr draconian regime. You didn't also tell us that poor Nigerians had to queue to buy essential things like milk, sugar and rice during buhari's regime. Can you tell us why Buhari stopped the Lagos metro rail line, meant to transport the masses? Can you name 1 critical infrastructure that buhari built in his 2yr reign? Besides, i doubt if you'r born again christian because born again christians dont announce it or show off

Born again christians announce it to the high heavens because i am proud of it and not a hypocrite like most who would see have the truth staring them in the face and yet deny it. You call Buharis rule draconian? I ask you did it work or did it not?

In order to bend a stiff necked and deeply corrupted people like Nigerians are you first need force to whip them into shape and then you cut them loose. what do you think is happening in the USA. All around them is draconian rule because they are governed by actual laws that are too many to mention yet the system works because they follow laws unlike Nigerians. In the days of Buhari the law became real and i for one enjoyed it. Obviously you dont know about the second port harcourt refinery which was built in the days of buhari and was refining 150,000 barrells of crude daily.

The government through the NNPC then under Buhari's leadership, expanded domestic refining capacity by contracting the building refineries in Kaduna (completed in 1980) and Warri (1978), and subsequently the expansion of Port Harcourt (1989) to a total national refining capacity of 445,000.

The NNPC under Buhari built the Warri and Kaduna refineries,20 depots and laid over 3000kms of pipelines,well over $1b was spent on TAM under Obj alone without any of them functioning

Politics › Re: Should Buhari Contest For Presidency Again In 2015? by 4evergod2: 10:35pm On Dec 04, 2012

Nashville: You should run for President and I will vote for you. These are the issues that need to be fixed not some old man pretending to be a saint. If we practice True Federalism, 80% of corruption will disappear, so how does Buhari intend solving the other problems we have. Did any of you watch him at eh debates. He was very very poor

He was very poor during the debates yeah? how was Obama during the first debate? How many debates did the presidential candidates have in Nigeria? Where was GEJ during these debates?

Politics › Re: Should Buhari Contest For Presidency Again In 2015? by 4evergod2: 10:21pm On Dec 04, 2012

Sincere 9gerian: Mr born again easterner, you didn't tell us that Buhari sacked 2million civil servants during 2yr draconian regime. You didn't also tell us that poor Nigerians had to queue to buy essential things like milk, sugar and rice during buhari's regime. Can you tell us why Buhari stopped the Lagos metro rail line, meant to transport the masses? Can you name 1 critical infrastructure that buhari built in his 2yr reign? Besides, i doubt if you'r born again christian because born again christians dont announce it or show off

Born again christians announce it to the high heavens because i am proud of it and not a hypocrite like most who would see have the truth staring them in the face and yet deny it. You call Buharis rule draconian? I ask you did it work or did it not?

In order to bend a stiff necked and deeply corrupted people like Nigerians are you first need force to whip them into shape and then you cut them loose. what do you think is happening in the USA. All around them is draconian rule because they are governed by actual laws that are too many to mention yet the system works because they follow laws unlike Nigerians. In the days of Buhari the law became real and i for one enjoyed it. Obviously you dont know about the second port harcourt refinery which was built in the days of buhari and was refining 150,000 barrells of crude daily.

The government through the NNPC then under Buhari's leadership, expanded domestic refining capacity by contracting the building refineries in Kaduna (completed in 1980) and Warri (1978), and subsequently the expansion of Port Harcourt (1989) to a total national refining capacity of 445,000.

The NNPC under Buhari built the Warri and Kaduna refineries,20 depots and laid over 3000kms of pipelines,well over $1b was spent on TAM under Obj alone without any of them functioning

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Politics › Re: Should Buhari Contest For Presidency Again In 2015? by 4evergod2: 9:44pm On Dec 04, 2012

It is obvious that so many of those who are against Buhari becoming president were either not yet born when he ruled or were too young to understand anything back then. The thing about leadership is the machinery you set up as a leader and not you leading alone. You need a team in order to make impact in leadership and Buhari had a team and because he as the leader was upright and impecable in character, every other member of that team adopted his position and the nation moved like a well oiled wheel back then without friction, religious or ethnic affiliations.

I long for those days again. When i would be be truely proud to declare anywhere that i am a Nigerian. in the history of Nigeria Buhari has been the only leader who never cornered the nations wealth to himself. Oil production in the days of buhari were less than what we are producing now yet there was nothing like subsidy nor were there fuel scarcities or lack of price control. The Nation was on its way to greatness until he was overthrown simply because the corrupt were in a stranglehold with buhari in power. For me as a Born again Christian easterner i would vote for buhari anyday anytime.

God empower him.

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Autos › Re: Respray/repaint Ur Car Making Use Of Oven Baking Technology. Pix Inside by 4evergod2: 9:06pm On Dec 03, 2012

i have a 2000 volvo s70 which needs extremely minimal body smoothening and a respray of the same colour on it which is blue. How much would this cost me and how long would it take to finish it.

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