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Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Orilee9ice(m): 10:26am On Sep 17, 2010
My mum is 67 and has lived in England since she was in her early 20s. The last time she went back to Nigeria in 1997 she was attacked by armed robbers. My other siblings are now devsiing a plan to send her back to Nigeria. The plan is to sell her house which will bring in around £350k and buy a property in Nigeria where she can stay with my older sister, who also has her own life in Nigeria. Bring in housegirls ect but I am worried because if ever my mum has an emergency i.e her blood sugars are too high or low then we won't have the NHS to turn too, then there is the security , as I said before, armed robbers broke into the house she was staying in and nearly beat her to death, to date no one has been prosecuted for the crime
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OMG!!, @ all "Justice's of the peace " (including Vanitty, and others like your honorable self, NO PUN INTENDED!) i think it is time i broke this down to ya level as i don discover now see "ori yato s'ori, please read the highlights
MY OTHER SIBLINGS(not the poster oh!)
DEVISING A PLAN(for project managers like me, project plan (b4.project initiation document), doesnt mean project has been executed oh!, )
THE PLAN IS[i], (not the plan has already been concluded oh!)[/i]
STAY WITH OLDER SISTER, HAS OWN LIFE IN 9JA TOO, (The Posters older sister is IN 9JA ALREADY!)
MY OTHER SIBLINGS, BUT I AM WORRIED, (This shows the Poster is not part of the plan to send her to 9ja, its her siblings and naturally the poster is worried which is why she is on here to ask your advice, )
Advice only oh!!!!!, Pleeeezzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! a haaa ABEGI!!! shocked cool
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Orilee9ice(m): 10:33am On Sep 17, 2010
Ada, dont mind this guy, he character and attitude
is lacking in refinement lol, and he lives in Lekki, Lagos!!!

LOL, i have just come back from Nigeria last week having been there
for a month and i can see that even the "rich-folk" and the rich area
of places like Lekki in Lagos are feeling the Pressure of the
decay,

tpiah is always fighting with people online from his
40 million naira mansion in lekki

- Now if thats Tpiah, God help
the average Nigerian in Oshodi!!!

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin cool kiss, 9ICE ONE MARTINOSI, those who live in lekki know themselves oh,
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by ada24: 10:37am On Sep 17, 2010
martinosi:

Ada, dont mind this guy,  he character and attitude
is lacking in refinement lol, and he lives in Lekki, Lagos!!!

LOL, i have just come back from Nigeria last week having been there
for a month and i can see that even the "rich-folk" and the rich area
of places like Lekki in Lagos are feeling the Pressure of the
decay,


tpiah is always fighting with people online from his
40 million naira mansion in lekki


- Now if thats Tpiah, God help
the average Nigerian in Oshodi!!!


u think i dey mind am? i have lived in nigeria for sometime and know the mentality of our people a little bit, its so sad - someone thinks differently and all of a sudden a fountain of insults is poured on that person. i find it amusing. and haven't people moved on from calling people illiterates - come on now this is 2010 - get a new insult. how an illiterate can access a computer and then respond to posts on NL is beyond me!!!

what is even funny is those rich folk will even leave lekki and go to india or the middle east for treatment (India kei!!!!!!! na wah o!!) is this not an embarrasment in itself. i had people fighing me a few weeks ago about hospitals in nigeria and what i found funny was they could call names of good hospitals - isn't it sad that a population of 150million are only being served with a handful of good hospitals that only a small minority can access.

the posters mother has a number of illnesses - if someone can come out here and tell me that if u call an ambulance in nigeria it will come immediately with no questions asked or money changing hands then we will all keep quiet - if not then this 67 year old lady has every right to stay in a country that will look after her adequately.

as for the inside job comment i made - ummmmmmm i kind of thought that from day one - i mean its not like its stangers thats going to know u have come back is it!!!! wink

hope ur all having a great friday!!!  cheesy
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by kadman(m): 10:54am On Sep 17, 2010
Many people just wrote Nigerian hospitals are good, because they have insulin. That's just unenlightened. Diabetes is a disease which brings other ailments along with it. High Blood Pressure e.t.c, isn't it diabetes which has that foot ailment too ? I love my country and all, but Nigeria's health care system isn't up to par. Most people are leaving to seek cures in other countries not the other way round.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Orilee9ice(m): 11:05am On Sep 17, 2010
@ Kadman and all
just to support what Kadman said, One of my siblings and his wife have been waiting on the Lord for a few years now, and decided to go down the Hospital route in 9ja to quicken the process of waiting, they did about  4 cycles costing them millions and millions of naira (that they are still paying oh), to no avail, so when they were coming over here on holiday, i asked them to bring all their notes with them bla bla bla and took them to Kings college hospital for check ups etc, only to discover that all the hopsital in Lagos (a well known PRIVATE HOSPITAL IN IKEJA-LAGOS) were giving the poor girl  (so to speak) expired drugs, the consultant here was so angry that he asked for the name of the Doctor or Hospital that had been deceiving them all this while in 9ja and taking all their money with no results, anyway to God be the Glory that they did the same cycle here and God has answered their prayers,  NEED I SAY MORE
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by mrgbite(m): 6:48pm On Sep 17, 2010
li
kuntama:

Mate, you are talking so much bullshit. The NHS  has one of the best emergency healthcare delivery systems in the world.
Anyway, we are comparing the NHS to NIGERIAN HOSPITALS, not other western hospitals.

What kind of S --it is that about?: when an "AFRICAN" gets to her age! ALL human beings deserve the care and attention of loved ones.

Where on earth do you get your facts from? Hospitals brimming with dead bodies? Have you been to the so-called morgues of Naija hospitals lately?
And Yes, now I'm really going to insult you as the illiterate crap that you are spewing is getting to me. If you really want this woman to get the best for her mother, she needs to make an informed decision, not based on  the boastful, 419 lies that nigerians seem so keen on spewing. You, my dear are the kind of person that prevents any kind of visionary, logical and coherent planning that nigerians need for their country. JUST GO AND DO SOMETHING USEFUL- SHUT UP AND LET THE LIGHT SHINE ON THAT CESSPIT THEY CALL NIGERIA SO WE CAN ACTUALLY CLEAN IT.


ha, ha, ki la gbe , ki lo ju? Where the heck does this crep.tin climb out from? my thread was directed at the OP and you have the effontery to start throwing very silly jibes.?Your ill breeding certainly have no bounds.For starters, i`m certainly not your mate(not with your extreme chidish tendencies and hysterics)  and  your unneccesary rantings are imbecillic to say the least,

My simple advise was for the OP to take care of his/her mother like a true African, a view that has been supported by other several reasonable posters but you chose to ramble on and on just because i mentioned that the NHS itself is not perfect. Unlike the hopeless economic refugee that you are, I schooled in England long before it bacame the abode of v.ermins like you and i KNOW how the NHS operates. Now m.oron, use your own hands to google NHS BLUNDERS and see how PERFECT the NHS is.Unlike you(obviously holed up in one lonely corner of the world) some of us have experienced far better than what you considered a paradise in England and as i also admitted, Naija`s medicare needs some improvements but it is certainly not as absolutely hopeless as some of you make it out to be .
You strike me as one of those raised in one of the various ghettoes in Lagos and having managed to escape the extreme poverty of your upbringing and seeing the decent things of life for the first time you go overboard in your comments concerning your former abode. its a psychological tendency that are a lot of your type are afflicted with and you deserve nothing but pity and a visit to your nearest shrink angry angry angry
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by vanitty: 7:58pm On Sep 17, 2010
Orilee9ice:

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OMG!!, @ all "Justice's of the peace " (including Vanitty, and others like your honorable self, NO PUN INTENDED!) i think it is time i broke this down to ya level as i don discover now see "ori yato s'ori, please read the highlights
MY OTHER SIBLINGS(not the poster oh!)
DEVISING A PLAN(for project managers like me, project plan (b4.project initiation document), doesnt mean project has been executed oh!, )
THE PLAN IS[i], (not the plan has already been concluded oh!)[/i]
STAY WITH OLDER SISTER, HAS OWN LIFE IN 9JA TOO, (The Posters older sister is IN 9JA ALREADY!)
MY OTHER SIBLINGS, BUT I AM WORRIED, (This shows the Poster is not part of the plan to send her to 9ja, its her siblings and naturally the poster is worried which is why she is on here to ask your advice, )
Advice only oh!!!!!, Pleeeezzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! a haaa ABEGI!!! shocked cool

Dolt
If she wasn't devising with them or even thinking about it, she won't be asking how much £350K will last  or must people use all their mouth to talk before you understand undecided. Mr project manager. Let just hope your job requires little or no common sense at all
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:15pm On Sep 17, 2010
mrgbite:

li


.Unlike you(obviously holed up in one lonely corner of the world) some of us have experienced far better than what you considered a paradise in England and as i also admitted, Naija`s medicare needs some improvements but it is certainly not as absolutely hopeless as some of you make it out to be .
You strike me as one of those raised in one of the various ghettoes in Lagos and having managed to escape the extreme poverty of your upbringing and seeing the decent things of life for the first time you go overboard in your comments concerning your former abode. its a psychological tendency that are a lot of your type are afflicted with and you deserve nothing but pity and a visit to your nearest shrink angry angry angry

At times I too just shake my head in amazement at the unguarded  not to say pathological  utterances of these people. Even though I spent my formative years here in England, I would never be so myopic as to cast aspersions on Nigeria's health-care professionals and not recognise the sterling job most of them do.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:31pm On Sep 17, 2010
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kuntama:

Mate, you are talking so much bullshit. The NHS  has one of the best emergency healthcare delivery systems in the world.
Anyway, we are comparing the NHS to NIGERIAN HOSPITALS, not other western hospitals.


Now that is the most  senseless statement made on this thread. You are talking about an institution that was set up in  1948 and has had trillions of pounds poured into it since. In fact the annual NHS budget is six times the whole FGN budget.

It is should be clear enough for you to recognise that the quantum of funds poured into the NHS gives it a decisive edge over the health-care delivery systems of developing countries.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by gestapo(f): 1:42am On Sep 18, 2010
mrgbite:

li

ha, ha, ki la gbe , ki lo ju? Where the heck does this crep.tin climb out from? my thread was directed at the OP and you have the effontery to start throwing very silly jibes.?Your ill breeding certainly have no bounds.For starters, i`m certainly not your mate(not with your extreme chidish tendencies and hysterics) and your unneccesary rantings are imbecillic to say the least,

My simple advise was for the OP to take care of his/her mother like a true African, a view that has been supported by other several reasonable posters but you chose to ramble on and on just because i mentioned that the NHS itself is not perfect. Unlike the hopeless economic refugee that you are, I schooled in England long before it bacame the abode of v.ermins like you and i KNOW how the NHS operates. Now m.oron, use your own hands to google NHS BLUNDERS and see how PERFECT the NHS is.Unlike you(obviously holed up in one lonely corner of the world) some of us have experienced far better than what you considered a paradise in England and as i also admitted, Naija`s medicare needs some improvements but it is certainly not as absolutely hopeless as some of you make it out to be .
[size=14pts]You strike me as one of those raised in one of the various ghettoes in Lagos and having managed to escape the extreme poverty of your upbringing and seeing the decent things of life for the first time you go overboard in your comments concerning your former abode. its a psychological tendency that are a lot of your type are afflicted with and you deserve nothing but pity and a visit to your nearest shrink[/size] angry angry angry



Oya come here and pucker up, i have to kiss you for this whether you like it or not kiss kiss kiss


I tire for all this sufferhead JJC's i swear embarassed Once they check out of the Country, Naija is a cesspit where everyone dies at the age of 46, everyone dies in childbirth, everyone looks older than their age, and all sort of dross and drivel undecided undecided


NHS IS SOOOO PERFECT;

*You spend hours waiting to be seen in A&E
*People are giving birth in hospital toilet, corridors, postnatal wards, etc
*Those who manage to get an hospital bed are kicked out barely 2 hours after.
*Old people are dying in their droves in Hospital
*You visit your GP, and before you sit down to open your mouth, he already knows what is wrong with you and has written you a prescription for your ailment undecided
People are being operated on wrongly
*People are dying of MRSA and C-diff.
*Equipment are routinely left behind in patients
*Wrong dosage of medicine are dispensed
*High staff turnover
*Shortage of specialists and Consultants and Midwives
*Uk the sick man of Europe, is the worst place in Europe and the rest of the civilised world to get cancer, etc
*Unregulated generic medication, fakes included, sourced from any part of the World are dispensed after the license period of one year given to the original brand is up.





[b]IN SHORT MAKE I STOP TALKING AND LET THE STATISTICS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES


ACCORDING TO THE Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC), 1.25 MILLION PATIENTS, (1.75 million if you add those who die from MRSA) equating to more than show one in 10 patients admitted to NHS hospitals is unintentionally harmed ranging from medication errors and drug interactions to missing emergency equipment and the wrong limbs being amputated, and there has been insufficient progress in cutting the level of avoidable incidents. AND THIS IS JUST INPATIENTS OH, NOT OUTPATIENTS WHOSE NUMBER ARE ALWAYS HIGHER shocked shocked shocked


AND WHAT DID THE UK GOVERNMENT CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER'S REPORT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS - one in 10 hospital patients was unintentionally harmed each year, costing the NHS £2billion in extra bed days and £400million in settled clinical negligence claims PER ANNUM. AND WE ALL KNOW THESE FIGURES HAVE BEEN FIDDLED AND MASSAGED AND EMBELLISHED AND THE ACTUAL FIGURES WOULD BE 3 TIMES AS QUOTED lipsrsealed lipsrsealed


AND THE THEN HEALTH MINISTER'S COMMENT - Andy Burnham - Improving patient safety has been a fundamental priority running through our policies to improve the quality of NHS care. . . However, as in any modern and increasingly complex health service, mistakes and unforseen incidents can and will happen[/b] shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked lipsrsealed lipsrsealed


Or is it the US they wanna talk about where you have to fork out over $1000 to remove just one teeth or pay over $500 for a simple xray or tell the Doctor you have headache and get bombarded with batteries of tests leaving you thousands outta pocket, to figure out what the cause is, so that you do not turn round and sue them in future for misdiagnosis undecided



Oh well, at least it is better than the NHS where they use russian roulette elimination method to diagnose one's ailment and sometimes having to consult their textbook in front of you to check what could be wrong shocked shocked
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Ivynwa(f): 4:01am On Sep 18, 2010
@Poster
If you put yourself in your Mama's shoe, I am sure you will prefer to remain in England where you have loved ones and friends around. I am also sure that that experience in which she was beaten to near death by robbers in Naija must have traumatized her to a point that she will prefer to age there in England, let her wish be done for her abeg. Our parents's wish should still be respected even at old age, some of our ageing parents prefer to age in the village while some prefer to remain abroad where they raised their children. You guys should let una mama chill and enjoy herself, a little yam and rice will not kill her Ojare. Let her be taking much green vegetables like spinach and pumpkin leaves(how I miss that nutritious leaves!)if it exist in England.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by ceasyc(f): 4:18am On Sep 18, 2010
Gemma11:

I have a question, mother is currently on a lot of medication for various ailments including diabetes,high blood pressure ect. She doesn't seem to understand her illness and often indulges in her favourite foods, eba, yam rice with loads of meat and she has large portions. She will eat that and then lie down without any exertion all day. We advise her and she never listens.

I have suggested a carer come in and take care of her but she is a stubborn woman and doesn't like the idea of a stranger being in her house. We, her children all work full time and have our own lives and so it is impossible to for us to stay home and do these things for her. We live in Britain and as anyone knows here we have to work in order to maintain our lives. Staying at home 24 hours with my mother is just not on.

My mum is 67 and has lived in England since she was in her early 20s. The last time she went back to Nigeria in 1997 she was attacked by armed robbers. My other siblings are now devsiing a plan to send her back to Nigeria. The plan is to sell her house which will bring in around £350k and buy a property in Nigeria where she can stay with my older sister, who also has her own life in Nigeria. Bring in housegirls ect but I am worried because if ever my mum has an emergency i.e her blood sugars are too high or low then we won't have the NHS to turn too, then there is the security , as I said before, armed robbers broke into the house she was staying in and nearly beat her to death, to date no one has been prosecuted for the crime.

Then there is the finances after paying for a house, getting the best Doctors in Nigeria to be on call which won't be cheap, then house help and the general costs of running the house, how much will £350k actually last?

as a diabetic patient, she is already digging her early grave by eating all those kind of food u stated she kips eating regularly. about her not wanting a carer - dat wud have been d best tin - 4 her to stay in her hse n have a carer come in once or 2x a day or as often as needed = a live in carer wud b too expensive n she's not worse or bad enuf to get 1 imo. unfortunately (sumtimes) in d uk u cant force sum1 against their will unless they r bcuming a nuisance (something offensive or annoying to individuals or to the community, esp. in violation of their legal rights). £350k is a lot of moni when converted to naira n wud last a very longgggggg time in 9ja 4 sum1 who is 67 yrs old but

dont send her to 9ja ohhh = like sum ppl have stated 9ja lacks a lot of tins compared to uk e.g. nhs is free, tho almost all of us pay 4 it thru tax (except 4 those lazy bugger dat havent worked all their lives/just dont want to work but collect giro & those wit sum form of disablilty since dey were born/b4 dey turned legal 2 work) but still its free in d sense dat u dont have 2 put moni down b4 treatment or after treatment like its done in 9ja. 999 is also there 24/7
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:50am On Sep 18, 2010
Ignorant people. So every diabetic and hypertensive in Nigeria has died abi? Colonial reasoning.
My friend let your mother remain in England strictly because that is the country she knows not because bringing her to Nigeria will kill her.
I know most of u black monkeys (as the white's call u) now say Naija is a death zone even though your folks still live in mud houses here.

If u guys are not crooks u will not be thinking of disposing of your mothers house without her consent. Out of the over 80million naira proceeds, i'm sure u'll give your mum only 8mil and pocket the rest. U shld be charged for robbery.

PS
Naija health care is far below the standard of that of developed countries but get real people, as at last count we still had a population of about 140million people, at least disease neva reduce am to only 2 million as some ignorant minimum wage earners want us to believe.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 2:21pm On Sep 18, 2010
ceasyc:

as a diabetic patient, she is already digging her early grave by eating all those kind of food u stated she kips eating regularly. about her not wanting a carer - dat wud have been d best tin - 4 her to stay in her hse n have a carer come in once or 2x a day or as often as needed = a live in carer wud b too expensive n she's not worse or bad enuf to get 1 imo. unfortunately (sumtimes) in d uk u cant force sum1 against their will unless they r bcuming a nuisance (something offensive or annoying to individuals or to the community, esp. in violation of their legal rights). £350k is a lot of moni when converted to naira n wud last a very longgggggg time in 9ja 4 sum1 who is 67 yrs old but

dont send her to 9ja ohhh = like sum ppl have stated Nigeria lacks a lot of tins compared to uk e.g.

And why is it unfortunate that an adult person can do as she wishes insofar as she is not constituting herself into a public nuisance

This is not about whether  Nigeria has amenities or not but that it is wrong in principle to sell her house without her consent and force her out of England. This would apply even if she were to leave for the USA.

However a lot of people do plan to spend their retirement in the peace and quiet of their villages and that is entirely their prerogative
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by gestapo(f): 5:46pm On Sep 18, 2010
mrgbite:

li

ha, ha, ki la gbe , ki lo ju? Where the heck does this crep.tin climb out from? my thread was directed at the OP and you have the effontery to start throwing very silly jibes.?Your ill breeding certainly have no bounds.For starters, i`m certainly not your mate(not with your extreme chidish tendencies and hysterics) and your unneccesary rantings are imbecillic to say the least,

My simple advise was for the OP to take care of his/her mother like a true African, a view that has been supported by other several reasonable posters but you chose to ramble on and on just because i mentioned that the NHS itself is not perfect. Unlike the hopeless economic refugee that you are, I schooled in England long before it bacame the abode of v.ermins like you and i KNOW how the NHS operates. Now m.oron, use your own hands to google NHS BLUNDERS and see how PERFECT the NHS is.Unlike you(obviously holed up in one lonely corner of the world) some of us have experienced far better than what you considered a paradise in England and as i also admitted, Naija`s medicare needs some improvements but it is certainly not as absolutely hopeless as some of you make it out to be .
[size=14pts]You strike me as one of those raised in one of the various ghettoes in Lagos and having managed to escape the extreme poverty of your upbringing and seeing the decent things of life for the first time you go overboard in your comments concerning your former abode. its a psychological tendency that are a lot of your type are afflicted with and you deserve nothing but pity and a visit to your nearest shrink[/size] angry angry angry



Oya come here and pucker up, i have to kiss you for this whether you like it or not kiss kiss kiss


Gaggi:

Ignorant people. So every diabetic and hypertensive in Nigeria has died abi? Colonial reasoning.
My friend let your mother remain in England strictly because that is the country she knows not because bringing her to Nigeria will kill her.
I know most of u black monkeys (as the white's call u) now say Naija is a death zone even though your folks still live in mud houses here.

If u guys are not crooks u will not be thinking of disposing of your mothers house without her consent. Out of the over 80million naira proceeds, i'm sure u'll give your mum only 8mil and pocket the rest. U shld be charged for robbery.

PS
Naija health care is far below the standard of that of developed countries but get real people, as at last count we still had a population of about 140million people, at least disease neva reduce am to only 2 million as some ignorant minimum wage earners want us to believe.
I tire for all this sufferhead JJC's i swear embarassed Once they check out of the Country, Naija is a cesspit where everyone dies at the age of 46, everyone dies in childbirth, everyone looks older than their age, and all sort of dross and drivel undecided undecided
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by gestapo(f): 6:03pm On Sep 18, 2010
NHS IS SOOOO PERFECT;

*You spend hours waiting to be seen in A&E/ *People are giving birth in hospital toilet, corridors, postnatal wards, etc/*Those who manage to get an hospital bed are kicked out barely 2 hours after/*Old people are dying in their droves in Hospital/*You visit your GP, and before you sit down to open your mouth, he already knows what is wrong with you and has written you a prescription for your ailment undecided/*People are being operated on wrongly /*People are dying of MRSA and C-diff/*Equipment are routinely left behind in patients/*Wrong dosage of medicine are dispensed/*High staff turnover/*Shortage of specialists and Consultants and Midwives/*Uk the sick man of Europe, is the worst place in Europe and the rest of the civilised world to get cancer, etc/*Unregulated generic medication, fakes included, sourced from any part of the World are dispensed after the license period of one year given to the original brand is up.




[b]IN SHORT MAKE I STOP TALKING AND LET THE STATISTICS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES
ACCORDING TO THE Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC), 1.25 MILLION PATIENTS, (1.75 million if you add those who die from MRSA) equating to more than show one in 10 patients admitted to NHS hospitals is unintentionally harmed ranging from medication errors and drug interactions to missing emergency equipment and the wrong limbs being amputated, and there has been insufficient progress in cutting the level of avoidable incidents. AND THIS IS JUST INPATIENTS OH, NOT OUTPATIENTS WHOSE NUMBER ARE ALWAYS HIGHER shocked shocked shocked


AND WHAT DID THE UK GOVERNMENT CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER'S REPORT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS - one in 10 hospital patients was unintentionally harmed each year, costing the NHS £2billion in extra bed days and £400million in settled clinical negligence claims PER ANNUM. AND WE ALL KNOW THESE FIGURES HAVE BEEN FIDDLED AND MASSAGED AND EMBELLISHED AND THE ACTUAL FIGURES WOULD BE 3 TIMES AS QUOTED lipsrsealed lipsrsealed


AND THE THEN HEALTH MINISTER'S COMMENT - Andy Burnham - Improving patient safety has been a fundamental priority running through our policies to improve the quality of NHS care. . . However, as in any modern and increasingly complex health service, mistakes and unforseen incidents can and will happen[/b] shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked lipsrsealed lipsrsealed


Or is it the US they wanna talk about where you have to fork out over $1000 to remove just one teeth or pay over $500 for a simple xray or tell the Doctor you have headache and get bombarded with batteries of tests leaving you thousands outta pocket, to figure out what the cause is, so that you do not turn round and sue them in future for misdiagnosis undecided



Oh well, at least it is better than the NHS where they use russian roulette elimination method to diagnose one's ailment and sometimes having to consult their textbook in front of you to check what could be wrong shocked shocked
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Orilee9ice(m): 12:24pm On Sep 20, 2010
Dolt
If she wasn't devising with them or even thinking about it, she won't be asking how much £350K will last  or must people use all their mouth to talk before you understand . Mr project manager. Let just hope your job requires little or no common sense at all
@ Vanity upon vanitty , MPMOJ   ( cheesy Ma paa mi o' jare) Shukeeee, eh!, i just saw this , hummm i can see your problem now,(let me not use all my mouth to talk 2 so that you can understand again!) ,  and as to the last bit of your snide remark, i will not stoop so low as to give you a befitting reply to that bit, [i](not that i dont want too, )[/i]this is the problem with us 9jirians, ITK(I TOO KNOW!)
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by josite: 9:13am On Sep 22, 2010
face the issues.let your mum knows you guys are determined to take the best care of her and that her cooperation is needed to achieve that.
being stubborn against wise counsel has consequences and the consequences should be claerly spelt out to mean an untimely grave.if she has elected an untimely grave there is nothing you can do unless u want to break her spirit.let her eat herself to death if that is her choice.not everybody realy cherish being alive.im certainly against selling her house to buy one for her in nigeria and im also against sending her back to nigeria if she has lived most of her life abroad.ABOVE ALL GUIDE YOUR OWN MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH.YOU ARE BORN TO REPLACE HER SO DONT DIE BE4 HER.I leave you with my prayers.i must add my dear friend in the USA sent his sick dad back to nigeria when the medical bill was getting too much for him and his brother in california and of course the man died in nigeria almost on arrival and ince then i will never pay a visit to my friend in california of what he did to his dad who almost diied felling timber to sell to send him to america 20 years ago and in fact i actually dislike him now.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by ceasyc(f): 12:40am On Sep 23, 2010
tensor777:

And why is it unfortunate that an adult person can do as she wishes insofar as she is not constituting herself into a public nuisance

This is not about whether Nigeria has amenities or not but that it is wrong in principle to sell her house without her consent and force her out of England. This would apply even if she were to leave for the USA.

However a lot of people do plan to spend their retirement in the peace and quiet of their villages and that is entirely their prerogative

it is good (fortunate) most times but i also said unfortunate sumtimes n it is. wen u work in d social n care field u'll no wot i mean = i have good reasons to state that = am not going into details. na only public nuisance? she's bcuming a nuisance 2 herself n her kids from d op's post = giving her kids headache/worry/inconveniences, not eating right, not wanting a carer, digging an early grave, her kids wud b motherless (for 67 yrs = her kids must b pretty/still young) soon from d way she is going about her diseases, etc.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by kuntama: 9:24am On Sep 24, 2010
I've just logged back on and simply have to respond.
Just a few things:
How on earth can anyone say the healthcare system in Nigeria is acceptable
How on earth can anyone say that to cast aspertions on the Nigerian healthcare system is being an "economic migrant/selling out/having psychological issues?
AGAIN, noone says the NHS is perfect. Noone is saying the NHS has achieved what it has without billions of tax payers money being poured into it.
The aim of the discussion is not to blind ourselves with misplaced nationalism, but to ACCEPT the truth in order to make relevant changes.

To the posters who have suggested I do not know what I am talking about, let me reiterate: I have worked in both countries as a doctor. I have colleagues who donate time and money as NGOs in African countries, including Nigeria. I would like to think I have some insight into the amazing work my colleagues have poured into the healthcare system in Nigeria. IT IS NOT ENOUGH. Without the will of the people to acknowledge and embrace the disgusting standards of infrastructure (PUBLIC NOT PRIVATE) and health education, no medic can make a meaningful difference in providing appropriate healthcare.

My last rant is going to be at the poster who accused me of growing up in the ghettos. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT IS AN INSULT? ANYBODY who survives a ghetto in Nigeria deserves every accolade under the sun. Nothing annoys me more than the disparaging attitude Nigerians have on poverty- nobody asks to be poor/deprived despite what some so called religions claim. And just for the record, I cannot begin to think what it must be like to have grown up in these ghettos  as I can only claim a relatively priveleged backgrounnd in comparision- which is the equivalent of working class in this country -yes, working class and guess what , I'M NOT ASHAMED.
Please, stop reading those rubbish newspatpes (the daily mail/sun/mirror etc) which are filled with emotionally incoherent attention-grabbing headlines of whatry the NHS has or has not done. Remember these are the same newspapers which talk about immigarant s as if they are the scum of the earth.
Come on, let's get angry and militant,  Let's demand  a living standard that was accepted over 60 years ago by the WHO<
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:41am On Sep 24, 2010
Kuntama, thanks for your very insightful post. You got it bang on the beam. To cast aspersions on the Nigerian health care system makes you "unpatriotic". Sometimes, when health and well-being are involved, you've got to do what you can, to get what you want.

Personally, I wouldn't swap the British health care system (imperfect as it may be) for the Nigerian version.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by kuntama: 9:47am On Sep 24, 2010
Thanks Siena.
What do you think would help the Nigerian healthcare system?
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 10:54am On Sep 24, 2010
That's a difficult one, Kuntama. Perhaps you should open a new, seperate thread, so we don't derail this one?

I'm sure it'll be an interesting topic.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 11:10am On Sep 24, 2010
kuntama:

I've just logged back on and simply have to respond.
Just a few things:
How on earth can anyone say the healthcare system in Nigeria is acceptable
How on earth can anyone say that to cast aspertions on the Nigerian healthcare system is being an "economic migrant/selling out/having psychological issues?
AGAIN, noone says the NHS is perfect. Noone is saying the NHS has achieved what it has without billions of tax payers money being poured into it.
The aim of the discussion is not to blind ourselves with misplaced nationalism, but to ACCEPT the truth in order to make relevant changes.

I will tell you what is unacceptable. Your sneering tone and air of haughty condescendation. That is unacceptable for someone who, surprise, surprise, was actually born and bred in Nigeria.

It is also quite nonsensical, as I have pointed out, to expect Nigeria's general hospitals to be as fully equipped and manned as that of the NHS given the massive difference in funding.

There is no reason really for you to derail this thread, which is about a woman's quite specific health-care needs, by launching vitriolic, unguarded attacks on Nigeria's health care delivery system.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by kuntama: 11:20am On Sep 24, 2010
Tensor 77,
You just continue to reiterate the obvious.
I KNOW we cannot expect the same level of standards. The point is the healthcare system does not have even the barest minimum of standards, no matter how you try and spin the story.
Pray tell, why is my tone sneering /condescending? I'd really like to know, because as far as I'm concerned I'm stating facts from my personal experiences.
What is it you cannot accept in all my pontifications? smiley The truth- it hurts, I know; the fact it comes from someone you percieve as being "haughty?"
Haughty implies I believe I have a higher social standing than others- where in my posts does this manifest itself?
Don't take this the wrong way, because I genuinely don't get where the personal antagonism is coming from. I have a suspicion we are singing the same hymn- Nigerian healthcare needs to improve; but somehow, as always, with us Nigerians, the communication has broken down and nobody understands what the other is saying.
So, spit it out. What's really getting your goat?
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 11:26am On Sep 24, 2010
Well you have hit a raw nerve in the sense that I come from a family of health-care professionals, and cannot and will not accept that most of these professionals are not doing their best sometimes under quite challenging circimstances.
People cannot just launch generalised attacks on the system without  expecting to be called out. undecided
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by kuntama: 11:31am On Sep 24, 2010
Did you actually read what I said about my colleagues doing what I consider an amazing job but NEED MORE?? In terms of infra-structure, the will of the people, health education etc etc etc
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by ada24: 12:18pm On Sep 24, 2010
kantama - abeg start a new thread, this an issue that needs to be discussed!

there is no point trying to explain to people who are patriotic to the point of denial and blindness. I get what you are saying but obviously not everyone does.

I wish there was more to help the poor in Nigeria honestly I do cos i think it is disgraceful that children die from illnesses that are preventable. I think it should be a national disgrace that an OPEC country has the 2nd highest maternal mortality rate in THE WORLD. In the world people - if nobody thinks that is unacceptable then I don't know what is.

I know doctors do their very best back home with the very limited resources they have or else they wouldn't be doing it - but it must be disheartening to practice medicine with facilities that are completely unacceptable in this day and age.

if people feel the need to insult those who speak the truth then go ahead, on another note why is using poverty as an insult so common among our people - medical doctors are not poor in this country so i don't get the insult if it was directed at kantama.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 12:32pm On Sep 24, 2010
Nobody is insulting anyone here. It has to be said though, that mere whining and moaning about Nigeria's health care system would just get on people's nerves especially as this thread is not about that.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by kuntama: 9:40pm On Sep 24, 2010
tensor777:

Nobody is insulting anyone here. It has to be said though, that mere whining and moaning about Nigeria's health care system would just get on people's nerves especially as this thread is not about that.
Disagree. This thread's theme is about the healthcare system (amongst other things).
The original poster was asking advice about her mother and the health care she may recieve if moved to Nigeria.
She therefore needs to make an INFORMED decision. In order to do that, she needs INFORMATION. Not flag-flying, jingoistic BS. She needs the TRUTH, so she can accurately weigh up her options and make the BEST POSSIBLE decision she can.
Just to note, Nigeria, may actually be the best solution, but that solution needs to be reached in a coherent and logical manner.
Re: Would You Send Your Elderly Parent Back To Nigeria? by Nobody: 10:55am On Sep 25, 2010
^^You know I am not quite sure what your motives are for posting on this thread. It seems you have some sort of agenda in mind.
I don't know why you seem to be gloating about  the fact that you work for the NHS and in the same breath comprehensively running down Nigeria's health care delivery system. Is this some sort of kiddie playground game of oneupmanship.?? undecided undecided

In fairness I understand where people like Siena and Ada are coming from in the sense that they were actually born and bred in England so are used to excellent health care delivery systems. So Nigeria's rather modest facilities must represent something of a culture shock.

On the other hand you were born and bred in Nigeria and so are used to this kind of facilities. In that wise if you don't have anything progressive and constructive to say it is better to keep silent,  In fact, you should be talking about how to alleviate health care issues in local communities in Nigeria rather than just launching vitriolic diatribes against the system.

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