Oshin56:
James 4:3

Oshin56:
James 4:3

paxonel:
Yes, God do not answer prayers, this explains why a lot of people think that God do not exist.

He created the world for free will and allows
Determination to rule only when necessary.

Do you go to church or pray in order to have your prayers answered?
That is not necessary
Infact a lot of atheists do not pray, but they have fortune in life even more than christians who pray.

We all read in the bible how God answered prayers in the old but does that mean he is in the business of answering prayers till this modern day?

If you think that way then you are being scammed.
Scammed by your pastors ,
Scammed by the church.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent

What time was this ignorance?
The time of bible days we read about great miracles from God (,especially old testament times)
What time is the time of knowledge?
The time of knowledge is today.

Now look it this way,
Two soccer teems played a football match, the better teem wins even though the one that loose gathered and pray,That tells you that God do not answer prayer

A student who dont read his books but keep praying will fail, because God do not answer prayers.

Nigerians go to church but their economy is bad and they keep suffering ,because God do not answer prayers

XxSabrinaxX:

Prayer is functionally useless. Am glad even you admits that.

However i take issue with the bolded. What is your understanding of the word "Predestination?"

paxonel:
do you agree that when you wish or even desired a thing, you have prayed?

the believe that anything that will happen has already been decided by fate or God

XxSabrinaxX:

NO

As i understand it, praying involves the acknowledgement of a deity

So where does Free Will come in?

paxonel:
merriam webster english dictionary put one of it definition this way : An ernest request or wish. So, prayer does not necessarily involve acknowledgement of deity.

XxSabrinaxX:

Well, the bolded shows that the term "prayer" has many definitions and i'm sorry to say, but the general understanding by the public of the word "prayer" is not the same as that of your post.

A simple Google search will reveal that most definitions of the word include the recognition of a deity.

Hope you aren't planning on descending to special pleading here...

And i'm assuming you're a theist, so what do you think is the theists' general consensus on Free Will?

paxonel:
very true!
that is because the lay man is yet to see the possibility that it may include an ernest request or wish againt the thought that it is mere the recognition and making requests from deity.

there is nothing special in discovering new things

the question is,what should be the theists general consensus on free will?
I am sure that many theists are yet to get this whole thing right, hence you atheists can beat them to their argument for now, pending on when they will start to accept reality

XxSabrinaxX:

LOL. You didn't understand what i meant.

But its ok now. Nevermind

And how do you respond to the bolded?