WackyJ1:

Pickabeau

The uzumaki were a clan that specialised in sealing Jutsu and they were feared so much that they had to be destroyed .

if you are thinking that the sealing jutsus that you have seen are all there have ever existed and all that is being capable of then you are just being unimaginative. Sit down and reason what they mean when they say an entire clan specialised in fuinjitsu so much so that they had to be destroyed.
Orochimaru looked at a whole wall full of masks that represented various fuuinjutsu and only one was for the death God seal, what does that tell you?

You seal inanimate objects into scrolls and summon them from the scrolls.

SIRcumalot:
Not carelesness but you could see how anybody could come to the same conclusion.
Question
Why could Tobi MS stand the test of time and Kakashi,Itachi,and Madara started to lose their sight after using theirs for a shorter period ?

SIRcumalot:
Not carelesness but you could see how anybody could come to the same conclusion.
Question
Why could Tobi MS stand the test of time and Kakashi,Itachi,and Madara started to lose their sight after using theirs for a shorter period ?

firestar:

....

Comic con is officially over.

nani667:

There's a difference between resisting the Edo Tensei and breaking free from it.... Madara didn't break free from the Edo Tensei because of something he got from Hashirama's DNA..., he was able to break free from it because he knew the seals to do that.... So even when the Edo Tensei had been undone by Kabuto (thanks to Itachi), Madara's soul didn't ascend like everyone else......

Having an intense Chakra on the other hand will only mean you can resist being controlled by the person that performed the Edo Tensei Jutsu, but if the Jutsu is undone, your soul will ascend and that will be the end.....

SIRcumalot:
Not carelesness but you could see how anybody could come to the same conclusion.
Question
Why could Tobi MS stand the test of time and Kakashi,Itachi,and Madara started to lose their sight after using theirs for a shorter period ?

pickabeau1:



Dude........I don't know what u went on and on about
I never said you could not seal inanimate objects


Your guy tosyn007 says he wants to seal a shoe in the deathgod and goes to town on sealing.

My question is simple

Why seal an inanimate object in something like the deathgod

Remember his motive is to downplay the eternal fight between the sealed n sealer thus setting the grand entrance for the friendship that blossomed between minato and the kyuubi half.


Damn....kishimess

Feraz: Ok. WackyJ1 is right. Once the eye is sealed, it is.

Tosyn007:


Its either you guys have a personal vendetta against Kishi or you're rather finding it difficult to stretch your imagination. Is it that its impossible to seal a "shoe" in a death god seal or you just want a reason why I'd wanna seal a shoe in a death god seal?


What I'm tryna make you understand is that the deathgod seal isn't just to seal things with souls, you can seal whatever you want in it. And cos Sarutobi said what he said when sealing human doesn't mean the same will apply when Minato is sealing a chakra entity. When Minato's soul was sealed, his body was intact, when Orochimaru's part of his soul that makes his hands function was sealed, his hands were intact but useless. Even when Sarutobi soul was sealed, his physical body didn't change a bit, But how come when Kurama was sealed, his physical body depleted in size?

Tosyn007:

Who told you it was intense chakra that enables you to resist Edo Tensei control? Hashirama was able to resist its control cos his cells were used to strenghten its restraining power. Why didn't he resist being controlled with his intense chakra when Orochimaru first used them to fight Sarutobi?

Tosyn007:

Who told you it was intense chakra that enables you to resist Edo Tensei control? Hashirama was able to resist its control cos his cells were used to strenghten its restraining power. Why didn't he resist being controlled with his intense chakra when Orochimaru first used them to fight Sarutobi?

WackyJ1: As for Minato 's control of the dark nine tails.

I don't think there is anything special there, I also don't think that there was any bonding that went on while being in the belly of the death God. An eternal fight is an eternal fight, there are no winners, there are no distractions.

Except of course they got to understand each other through their fighting.

But I believe that you don't need anything to be able to control your Jinchuiriki. With the exception of bee, The other Jinchuiriki s were not that friendly with their Bijuus but they were able to harness their powers. Minato has experience with Jinchuuriki so learning to be one had no problem.



Okay scrap whatever I said above.

Let's look at it like this, Sarutobi sealed souls and hence his soul was in an eternal combat with theirs. But what if Minato used the death god seal to make himself into a Jinchuuriki? Sealing the beast with the seal into himself not into the death God. While because he has used the death god seal his soul already belongs to the death God and he is sealed into it.
So Nine tails sealed into Minato and Minato into the death god.
This technically means that Minato was not fighting anybody and had time to become used to the dark nine tails.

pickabeau1:


Am sure u know.

Orochimaru was going to be sealed his hands were an afterthought

I don't really get the other points

Tosyn007:

If I do, I won't be asking you..

Orochimaru was to be sealed, yes. But he ended up taking the part of his soul that makes his hands worked, his physical hands were still there, but he couldn't use them.

Now my point is, if you seal someone's soul, it doesn't affect their physical body. But how come kurama reduced in size?

nani667:

The first time Orochimaru summoned Hashirama to fight Sarutobi, he immediately took away his inhibitions, turning him into a puppet, that's why he couldn't even resist if he wanted to.... But the second time Orochimaru summoned the Hokages with Sasuke, he didn't remove their inhibitions, that's why Hashirama could resist.... His Chakra is very powerful.... And that's why the Nidaime couldn't break free when he tried, cos Orochimaru was using Hashirama's Chakra to keep them in Control, and seeing as it was Hashirama's Chakra Orochimaru was using, hashirama was able to break free.....

If Orochimaru was using just his Chakra, the Nidaime would have broken free when he wanted to.....

So yes, a powerful and intense Chakra is needed in order to resist the Edo Tensei ✔

WackyJ1:

Am surprised at you Tosyn.

Resisting the Control of the Edo Tensei is a matter of Will backed by intense chakra. Tobirama knew this that is why he tried to break free from Orochimaru 's control but then he was held down because the edo Tensei had been strengthened with His brothers cells on the other hand orochimaru had to be careful about Hashirama because Hashirama is more powerful than Tobirama.

Now resisting the control of the Edo Tensei user is different from breaking free from the Edo Tensei jutsu. You CA break free from the Edo Tensei user control but still be under the Edo Tensei contract thus when the jutsu is ended, you return to the pure world.
But when you break free fromm the contract you will not return to the pure world even when the jutsu has ended.
Breaking free from the Edo Tensei jutsu is a function of knowledge, knowing the right seals and executing the counter jutsu. madara did do any seals to break free from kabutos control but he had to to break free from the contract.

Besides Kabuto's control tag was a more flexible control.


Tobirama and Hashirama could not break free when fighting Sandaime because as Tobirama himself said, they were not at full power, the last time they were summoned

Tosyn007:


Khai!!! Stop that, after he brought them forth, they had time to exchange pleasantries, even before he tagged them, Hashirama told Sarutobi that they won't have a choice but to fight him. Meaning he couldn't break the restraint if he wanted to. Tobirama miscalculated, that's why Hashirama said he's dull. They were brought back to almost full strength cos of Hashirama's cells which also made the restraint that much stronger. But since this was achieved courtesy of Hashirama's cells, Hashirama was able to break free. So if its by chakra, someone like Pain should have been able to break free after zapping 8 tails worth of chakra.

Tosyn007:

Then I'll ask you what made them summoned at full strength this time around?

WackyJ1: As for Minato 's control of the dark nine tails.

I don't think there is anything special there, I also don't think that there was any bonding that went on while being in the belly of the death God. An eternal fight is an eternal fight, there are no winners, there are no distractions.

Except of course they got to understand each other through their fighting.

But I believe that you don't need anything to be able to control your Jinchuiriki. With the exception of bee, The other Jinchuiriki s were not that friendly with their Bijuus but they were able to harness their powers. Minato has experience with Jinchuuriki so learning to be one had no problem.



Okay scrap whatever I said above.

Let's look at it like this, Sarutobi sealed souls and hence his soul was in an eternal combat with theirs. But what if Minato used the death god seal to make himself into a Jinchuuriki? Sealing the beast with the seal into himself not into the death God. While because he has used the death god seal his soul already belongs to the death God and he is sealed into it.
So Nine tails sealed into Minato and Minato into the death god.
This technically means that Minato was not fighting anybody and had time to become used to the dark nine tails.

pickabeau1:


Before I start digging up and down..what's the point

Tosyn007:

My point is he didn't seal a soul, he sealed chakra. Sarutobi claimed the should of the sealer and sealer with fight. But Minato ain't gonna fight a damn soul cos what he sealed is chakra and chakra is not a soul.

nani667:

Orochimaru sama summoned them at almost full strength this time around because he didn't have any bad intentions, he only revived them to answer some questions... Besides, he had already acquired Hashirama's cells from white Zetsu, so he knew he would be able to control them with Hashirama's cells if the situation went out of hand.....

nani667:

Yes, when they Orochimaru revived them to fight the Sandaime, they actually had time to exchange pleasantries, and they could've broken free, but the fact is that they couldn't, cos they were revived at half strength, and that's probably why an Old Sandaime lasted as long as he did and eventually sealed both Kages.... Even you will agree that a Full strength (or almost full strength) Hashirama and Tobirama would've destroyed Sarutobi sharply.....

And there's no need to argue cos when Orochimaru revived them again with Sasuke, Tobirama clearly stated that unlike the last time, Orochimaru revived them at close to their full powers..... Meaning that that the last time Orochimaru chose to revive them at lower strength cos he knew that he wouldn't be able to control them otherwise.....

And as for Pein, before he zapped the 8 tails plenty Chakra, Kabuto had already turned off all his emotions and inhibitions, so he was already a puppet before he zapped all that Hachibi Chakra.... Thats why he couldn't even try to break free ✔

pickabeau1:


If all he sealed was chakra...how come the chakra was gisting within him

Tosyn007:

Cos its alive..and as Wacky pointed out, he did it as a means to become a jinchuriki

WackyJ1:


Sasuke has no experience??

mtcheww this is what makes me vex for naruto fans,

The Most powerful person that hashirama has fought is madara without rinnegan,

Sasuke has fought Obito with rinnegan and sage powers, \madara with sage powers while also using senjutsu (through naruto), he has fought the mother or the sage of six paths.

What more does sasuke need to know again?

Even naruto fit beat harashima now, the world has evolved abeg, you guys should get over your hashirama hype

Brisingr: We are mixing the effect of spamming MS and using Izanagi
The side effect of using Izanagi is quite different from MS overuse.
Izanagi involve loss of said eye forever remember Danzo,Tobi and Madara.
Why MS overuse will gradually lead to loss of Vision.
Recall Danzo vs Sasgay anytime danzo uses Izanagi one of his sharigans closes forever
unlike MS Usage,( blurry vision).
losing your eye through Izanagi is the spiritual loss ala "sharigan sealing " while MS IS your regular blindness.

pickabeau1:


So you believe he did it to become a host of a tailed beast n not save his son and give him a fughting chance as kyuubi was too large to be sealed at once or d village?


OK..carry go

This kishiyomi is strong

Tosyn007:




He wanted to use them to fight and kill someone and he revived them at minimal strength but he wanted them to just talk and he revived them at full strentgh..see logic!

The first time he really had time to prepare them and they came at minimal strength but this time he brought them forth with little preparation and they came at full strenght. Don't you think you're missing something?

Lemme help you..

He didn't brought them to full strength the first time cos he couldn't not that he feared he won't be able to control them. The second time however, he bolstered the restraint by possessing zetsu which had Hashirama's DNA and also used zetsus has his Edo tensei tools which also made them return at almost full strength. That was why Hashirama could break it and Tobirama. Hashirama even claimed Tobirama is dull because he realized they were close to full strength but didn't know why that is the case. And Hashirama had to tell him he's restraining them using his cells.

nani667:

LOL... This is a very funny notion.... I'm tired of arguing

Tosyn007:


The dude intended to initially seal the whole of nine tails within himself, but due to the fact that the only fuinjutsu he can use to make himself a jinchuriki is the deathgod seal. He decided to use that, but using the deathgod seal, he won't be able to seal the whole of kurama within himself, that's why he decided to split it also realizing his son will need it too