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|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 11:13pm On Jun 12|
Recognizing June 12 as Democracy Day is not an act to retrieve the stolen mandate of MKO.
If MKO were alive today, he might be compensated with the presidency. Just like Mandela was.
Buhari will not step down for him because it is a foolish thing to do. Rather, he would likely be compensated with the 2023 presidential election.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by DOVOZCA: 11:25pm On Jun 12|
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|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 2:50am On Jun 13|
what did abiola die for? did he die for symbolism?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 2:53am On Jun 13|
how do u compensate someone with a presidential election? is it an appointment? d same suggestion u are making now was also suggested to Abiola and he turned it down. he said it was June 12 or nothing. According to him what would he tell d people that gave him d June12 mandate then?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 2:56am On Jun 13|
Y isnt it an issue right now? what is d reality. ur analogy is unrelated because JFKs election wasnt annulled and he was sworn into office as President of d US. He served part of his mandate and his deputy Johnson served the rest after his death. so ur analogy doesnt apply.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 3:13am On Jun 13|
if u dont have d intellectual capacity to contribute 2a discussion, it isnt a crime. u can go& and play with lego or watch zeeworld. u dont have 2 condescend 2d level of mediocrity in order 2 express urself. last i checked, there is still freedom of speech in the constitution of Nigeria and am exercising that as long as i make my opinion known in a civil and matured manner. so far, i have done that. u have been rejoicing that Buhari has recognised Abiola as d winner of d June 12. if he is recognised as a winner that means he should receive d prize that he won and d prize isnt holiday or stadium
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by Jaideyone(m): 4:33am On Jun 13|
lexy2014:dunce why are you talking as if yorubas are clamouring for kingibe to actualise the mandate?
freedom of speech my ass
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by blowjohn(m): 4:50am On Jun 13|
Tell me why something as sentimental as June 12 is an issue.
Do u even know the truth about what played out?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 6:55am On Jun 13|
So u have an ass? Is that were u do ur thinking? I won't b surprised. That's y I said if u dont have d intellectual capacity to contribute 2a discussion, it isnt a crime. u can go& and play with lego or watch zeeworld. u dont have 2 condescend 2d level of mediocrity in order 2 express urself.
If yorubas aren't clamouring 4 Kingibe to actualise d June 12 mandate, then y are u rejoicing that Abiola has been recognised as d winner of June 12?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 6:58am On Jun 13|
blowjohn:Am glad u called it "sentimental".
So what is d truth about what played out?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by blowjohn(m): 7:21am On Jun 13|
I don't know the truth about what played out cos there are so many versions of the whole thing.
Some versions even suggest that kingibe betrayed Abiola.
Some exclude Babangida from any blame.
So I always ask why the need to dig up a past that has such a complex side to it, instead of moving on.
After all, the important thing is to get the country working.
this kingibe u mentioned, we haven't even heard anything about him in decades to suggest that he's even in tune with modern economic growth and development methods.
What is past is past.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 8:58am On Jun 13|
You are clearly ignorant about matters relating to elections.
Perhaps, you should read about how Mandela became president.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 9:37am On Jun 13|
Speaking of ignorance. Was Mandela "compensated" with d office of president of South Africa? Is it like u don't no d meaning of "compensate" or has d meaning of d word changed? Are u aware that Abiola was asked 2 drop his June 12 mandate 4 his freedom & was offered another opportunity 2 seek another mandate?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 9:46am On Jun 13|
I appreciate ur candour& civility. am glad u came up with these pieces of history. am also certain that it is d reason y obasanjo, yar'adua& goodluck distanced themselves from June 12. I don't no what kingibe has been up to& am certain u also not in d no so we can't say 4 sure whether he he is in tune or not in tune. But one thing is certain, if u acknowledge that a person won a competition, arent u supposed 2 give that person his or her prize? So if u aren't ready 2 give d winner d prize, y acknowledge that an election was won? What's d whole essence? In terms of getting d country working, is d country actually working?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by blowjohn(m): 11:00am On Jun 13|
The law doesn't make room for such power transition.
no I know has gone to court to challenge the results in order to reclaim the mandate.
This June 12 thing, not everyone is interested in it or believs in its significance u know. So not everyone will be sympathetic to its cause.
Acknowledging a wrong is a democratic and indeed a humane step to healing wounds.
All over the world, world leaders have apologized for crimes against other countries their past leaders committed and have moved on after that.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 11:21am On Jun 13|
Mandela was compensated.
Before arguing further, go and read further on the act that elected him president.
The same could have been done if MKO was alive. An act could be devised to stop anyone from contesting against MKO in 2023 and in that way, his mandate would be returned.
Returning MKO's mandate doesn't have to disrupt another person's mandate.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 11:36am On Jun 13|
How was Mandela compensated? I don't need 2 read anything. Since u have read it am sure u can share a bit of d information u read as part of d discussion. Like I asked u earlier, are u aware that it was proposed 2 Abiola that 4d sake of his freedom that he abandoned June 12? Are u also aware that he turned it down? Are u aware that it was proposed 2 him that he could get another mandate? Are u also aware that he turned it down?
If June 12 will disturb other people's mandate, have other people's mandate not disrupted June 12? What is another 4years that buhari can't sacrifice 4d actualisation of June 12 when Abiola sacrificed his life, his businesses, access 2 his kids& lost his wife just so that buhari & others could enjoy democracy?
Buhari brought up this June 12 thing last year b4 d elections. There was enough time 4 him 2do what u suggested by sponsoring a bill that will enable d actualisation of June 12
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 11:45am On Jun 13|
At d end of d day its not really about June 12 or about healing wounds but about scoring political points& Nigerians are usually carried away by such trivialities. If u cast ur mind back to 1983, has buhari righted d wrongs of 1983 that he is righting d wrongs of 1993? He truncated a democratically elected govt. He jailed several politicians many of whom lost their lives as a result. Has he done this?:
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 12:19pm On Jun 13|
No mandate disrupted June 12. June 12 was merely an election day whose result was annulled. If the election had not been annulled, that would have been our Democracy Day.
Buhari has actualised that transition from Military to Civilian rule and has done the needful.
Buhari's mandate is different from MKO's. Don't be so petty as to expect Buhari to step down for MKO.
This is like expecting Shehu Shagari to step down for Nnamdi Azikwe simply because Azikwe's government was interrupted in 1966.
Or better still, this is like offering someone a lift and then handing your car over to him. That is stupid.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 1:20pm On Jun 13|
Once again, all these ur analogies are way off mark. Has buhari offered Abiola or Kingibe a lift? I thought u said buharis mandate is different from Abiolas mandate? Who is now lifting who? What is June 12 actually about?
It's even ironical that u mentioned Shagari cos d guy who truncated his govt, jailed him& other 2nd republic politicians is d one who u say is trying 2 right d wrong done 2 June 12 isn't this pure comedy?
Pls in what way did buhari actualise d transition from military rule to civilian rule? Are we rewriting history here?
I don't remember telling u that buharis mandate is d same with d June 12 so am not sure where u came up with that.
If June 12 wasn't annulled, it might not have been our democracy day. Democracy day was introduced by OBJ in 1999& was recognised as d inauguration day& not d day of election. It wasn't a norm as we didn't have that in d 2nd republic. whether Abiola would have instituted democracy day is something u&I can't say 4 sure.
Now u say no mandate disrupted June 12 but at d same time u acknowledge that a mandate was given on June 12 1993. Now if other mandates after 1993 have been actualised, what's d implication of that on d June 12 mandate?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 2:31pm On Jun 13|
This is so frustrating.
Bro, open your head na. Haba
Buhari recognized June 12 as Democracy Day and you expect him to step down.
It was not his duty to officially recognize June 12 just as it is not my duty to give someone a lift.
Buhari has done a noble deed and you are expecting him to give up his own mandate which gave him the power to recognize June 12.
Nawa for una.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by blowjohn(m): 2:43pm On Jun 13|
well, we have to admit that in the end, there were and all politicians. They do what they want and when convenient. Don't also forget that the coup that involved buhari also has its own versions too. Several versions also exempt buhari from all wrong doing.
Jailing of politicians is part of dirty politics. I can't say he masterminded such. All thiz things need proof.
That's why I say we shud move on
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 2:53pm On Jun 13|
U are saying its not buharis duty 2 recognise June 12 but yet u say his own mandate gave him d power 2 recognise June 12. How?
If it isn't his duty 2 recognise, then y all d hullabaloo that obj, GEJ& yar'adua didn't do same? Y all d noise?
If he recognises June 12 as democracy day that means he acknowledges that a mandate was truncated. And so what is wrong if that mandate is actualised? Is it a bad thing? Wouldn't that b good considering d sacrifice made by Abiola 4d actualisation of d mandate? Whats wrong with that?
As noble as u say it is, wouldn't it b more noble to use d power he used in recognising June 12 to actualise it? That will b a good thing. Is there anything too much that can't b sacrificed 4 our democracy?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 2:56pm On Jun 13|
Exempt him from wrong doing & he was d head of state? He was head of state and he in charge of d country. So d buck stops at his table 4 what happened between 83& 85
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 4:01pm On Jun 13|
I might have to teach you the ABC next.
The mandate gave Buhari a lot of executive powers. He has used one to good use.
It is not constitutional for him to dash his own hard earned mandate to another.
MKO's mandate of 1993 is different from Buhari's mandate of 2019.
According to you, Buhari should actualize June 12 by stepping down. That would mean retiring his own VP and retiring the next in position, the Senate President. This is bigger than Buhari.
The highest that could be done (if MKO were alive) is 2023, not creating a disruption in another person's mandate.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 4:13pm On Jun 13|
Is there anywhere I told u that MKOs mandate is d same with buharis mandate? Seems u are d one in need of ABC lessons.
U were d one who earlier said that in order to "compensate" Abiola if he were alive, then
If an act according 2u can b devised in 2023, y couldn't it b devised in 2018 b4 d election? Is this too big 4d president to do? If he put his executive powers to good use, he can still put it to further use by fighting 4d actualisation of June 12. Is that a bad thing 2do? Is it noble?
How will it affect d senate president? Did d president, VP & senate contest as a unit?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 4:21pm On Jun 13|
You want Buhari to step down for Kingibe. By suggesting that, you have shown that you don't understand the meaning of mandate. Or even of democracy.
As for devising an act, that would be an NASS palaver as only the NASS can enact an Act.
As for Buhari, he has done what he can and should be appreciated. Anyone expecting more needs to have their heads examined.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 4:24pm On Jun 13|
But u are d one who said they should "devise' an act 4d purpose of actualising June 12. If d act is "devised", doesn't it solve d problem?
Pls explain 2 me d meaning of mandate& d meaning of democracy since u say I don't no d meaning.
What is wrong if Nigerians expect more? Didn't Abiola give more?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 8:01pm On Jun 13|
According to Wiki, mandate is the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election
That definition partly defines democracy.
We gave Buhari a mandate in 2019. We didn't give it to Kingibe or MKO. However, we are happy that Buhari has used his mandate to right a wrong.
In a democracy, government is installed through voting. You can't ask an elected president in 2019 to step down for a man whose own mandate was stolen in 1993.
Buhari did what the likes of Obasanjo and GEJ did not do. June 12 is symbolic of democratic struggles in Nigeria. I believe that moving the date to June 12 is noble enough.
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 12:59pm On Jun 16|
D definition u gave on mandate, is it only applicable to buhari and not applicable to Abiolas election of 1993? If u are saying Nigerians gave their mandate to buhari in 2019, then who gave Abiola his mandate in 1993? Was it aliens from planet mars or was it Zimbabweans?
So if u say Abiolas mandate was stolen, then what exactly has buhari done that u say he righted d wrong? If stealing was d wrong done 2 Abiola according 2u, then a restoration of what was stolen should b d logical course of action in righting d wrong. So what did buhari restore to Abiola?
If u say that "in democracy government is installed through voting", u are invariably saying Abiola govt should b installed because he was voted for. So u are only corroborating d point I have been making.
When u say "Buhari did what the likes of Obasanjo and GEJ did not do", its quite funny. because am wondering how buhari has become a hero over other heads of state because he made June 12 democracy day when he was d same person who truncated a democratic govt in 1983, arrested virtually all d politicians in d 2nd republic (some of who later died like Ambrose Alli of Bendel State) & up till date, he isn't remorseful about what happened in 1983. Shehu Shagari died without Buhari apologising him. Y didn't he right his wrong he made in 1983 if u want 2 begin 2 compare him with obj& GEJ?
Lastly, did Abiola loose his life, loose kudirat, loose his businesses & access to his children just so that June 12 will b made a public holiday?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by BluntBoy(m): 4:48pm On Jun 16|
Buhari has righted the wrong by acknowledging the authenticity of June 12.
To the carnal mind, everything must be give and take. But to the deeper mind, you don't need to give something physical to appreciate someone.
Acknowledging June 12 commemorates the struggle for democracy which was achieved in the elections of June 12.
A mandate is the same but given to a person at a particular period in time. That is why a Buhari mandate cannot be replaced with an MKO mandate. There is no such transfer of power (mandate) in any constitution. MKO got power from the people through an election but the military administration at that time stole this power. Buhari has also got power through an election. He can only transfer his power to his Vice either through delegation or resignation. He doesn't have the power to reinstall MKO's mandate.
Between the time MKO got his mandate and Buhari got his, we have had two military rules and 3 civilian rules. The present government decides to commemorate the struggle for democracy by recognizing a vital actor, and you are asking that this government throw away its own mandate.
Let me give you an analogy.
Mr A and Mr B contest for an election in 1993. Mr A wins. However in 2000, there is a new government headed by Mr C who probes the election of 1993 and sees that Mr B was robbed and should have won.
According to you, Mr C should hand over his own hard earned mandate to Mr B?
|Re: Buhari Renames National Stadium Abuja After MKO Abiola by lexy2014: 7:20pm On Jun 16|
What is d physical something that has 2b given in order to appreciate someone?
Once again, ur analogy is way off. If we assume Mr. C is buhari, at what time in d history of nigeria did he "probe" d 1993 elections? Can u pls enlighten us on when that happened? If we also assume Mr. B is Abiola, according 2u he was "robbed" & u say his mandate was "stolen".
If u were robbed and ur car stolen & then u go 2d police 2 make a report, u will expect d police to investigate ur complaint. U will also expect that ur car b recovered and returned 2u& d culprits caught& prosecuted. Even if both can't b done, u expect at least one of d above 2b done so u will have a sense of justice. With this in mind, how has buhari "righted d wrong"? If d police just acknowledge that u were robbed& that ur car was stolen, does that amount to "righting d wrong"? In d case of Abiola who was robbed& his mandate stolen, what was returned 2 him& who was punished for robbing him?
I didn't tell u that Abiolas mandate can replace buharis mandate. Earlier u said that "they should "devise' an act 4d purpose of actualising June 12". That was ur suggestion not mine and buhari had enough time 2 push for this long b4 d elections since it was him who brought up d issue of June 12 last year.
U keep saying buhari righted d wrong by making June 12 a public holiday but d question u have refused 2 answer is did Abiola die, loose his wife, businesses & access to his kids just because of a public holiday? Y did Abiola die?
Also, has buhari righted d wrong he did in 1983 that he now wants 2 right d wrong that was done by IBB in 1993?
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