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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 2:23pm On Sep 10
Thanks for taking out time for this dialogue
TV01:


I initiated this discussion - and thanks for responding - with particular themes I wished to explore. However, I find that the discussion is becoming ever more expansive with more questions than answers and increasing adjunct issues, whilst not really touching on the themes as I envisaged. Let me sum up my response to what I believe are your questions;

1. Is there truth outside scripture or the canon - yes, but the gospel truth contains all we need to understand Gods unfolding plan for redemption and salvation in Jesus Christ.
I am still keen on the parameters regarding this written gospel truth. Is it limited to the writings of the Apostles? Is the gospel truth limited to a set of books. Yes or No. If yes, how many are they? So we can have a defined landmark for what is within/scriptures or canon.


TV01:

2. Is the gospel canon complete - yes, per above
How many gospels/canons are we talking of here? 66? over 80?

TV01:

3. Can we perfectly "rightsize" the scriptures that contain the gospel? - a superfluous question unless it can be evidenced that there are verifiable texts that materially change the gospel as we have it. Or, the gospel can be demonstrated to be somehow incomplete.
This is not about getting extra materials that will contradict the gospel. How many canons makes up the scriptures that contain the gospel? If it's not open ended, how do we determine its completeness? How many canons are involved here?

TV01:

Now, if you are not gainsaying the above in any way, a bit about your take on "ALL TRUTH"

1. If as you claim The Holy Spirit will lead believers into "ALL TRUTH" as in everything about everything, how is scope applied to that? What living person can take in and comprehend everything about everything? Why would we need to know everything (about everything)? The Holy Spirit is The Helper, what constitute the limits of this help?
You cannot know ALL TRUTH in a fixed period of time, albeit in this realm of existence. There is definitely a limit to what you can know by your own capacity. Since you cannot live forever in this realm of existence. The scope of ALL TRUTH however in this regard is not limited to religious beliefs. But all spheres of your life.
Well unless your argument is the Holy Spirit is only useful for scriptural matters, as opposed to all areas of your life. Be it career, spirituality, academics e.t.c.

TV01:

Your claim a witness to OP, did The Holy Spirit affirm OPs office and calling or simply the writings here? Have you been subsequently led into all truth about the OP or, the extent of the writings here? everything about everything right?
All of the above. And if the OP deviates from the path, the same Holy Spirit will bring it to my attention. That brings us to 1 John 2 v 26-27 again.

TV01:

2. As to The Holy Spirit giving personal intimations, God is sovereign. Leading, direction, insight etc. can all be given to individuals, but I don't see how that has to be captured as gospel truth or considered canonical?

Again, that brings us to what ALL TRUTH means. Is it ALL TRUTH...or ALL SCRIPTURAL/GOSPEL TRUTH?
And back to the matter of gospel truth, how many books makes up the gospel TRUTH. I have not gotten your answer on this.

TV01:

3. As to God giving someone a "prophecy or revelation" about Nigeria and it coming to pass, I would have to see evidence of that and understand what the purpose of the prophecy or revelation was.
My question is this. Is the prophecy or revelation any less of a TRUTH since it is not written in the Bible? Is that prophecy/revelation the word of God or the word of man?

TV01:

4. To your use of the term "progressive revelation". Again, I do not see what this means in light of scripture. If it is something that directly impacts the gospel as received, I would need to see evidence of this. If it's simply individual intimations or leading, again, that is not for the body and therefore not required to be canonical anyway.
And by something that directly imparts the gospel as received, do you mean...contradicting it? Absolutely not.

Examples of progressive revelation within the time frame of the scriptures;
(a) Judah's captivity in Babylon was to last for 70 years as God revealed to Jeremiah. However, Daniel got further revelation on the matter to mean 490 years as the timespan.
(b) Prior to John's Revelation on a first and second resurrection, every other place in the scriptures pointed to both the righteous and wicked resurrected and judged on the same day. Nowhere else did we hear of a first and second resurrection.
(c) The era of the Law, then the Judges, then the Prophets...prior to the revelation of the Messiah is a big picture showing progressive revelation of the Truth and man's understanding of God over the ages.

Coming to know of any progressive revelation or unwritten truth that contradicts the core of the gospel...I don't know of any.

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5. About the undocumented early life of The Lord and the unrecorded signs and miracles. Yes these are truth, but again, please evidence anyone that has been led into these truths by the Holy Spirit, what they are and how, if they, in anyway affect gospel truth. And, if at the individual level, claims of such and how they impacted a personal walk.
Again, I do not know of any of those revelations that affects the core gospel truth. Although there are evidences, but those I've known of do not contradict the gospel.

TV01:

Regards the framework below. I not sure it's provenance, but I don't see it as a Christian/gospel derived framework. Again, like I said, I will not gainsay your beliefs, but view what is presented in the light of the gospel.

So far example the requirement to be a genius at level 2, a prophet or seer at level 3 amongst other things are simply not scriptural. However, you are free to apply whatever framework you choose. Will you disclose this as not Christian in origin or otherwise corroborate it against scripture?

It is not a "Christian/gospel derived framework" simply because it's not written black and white in the Bible. But that's what it is.
Where do Prophets and seers get their revelations of Truth from? The Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit a written document? No. He is the Spirit of God, the source of all truth. Yet, they get their revelations from an unwritten source and pen it down. Just like the case of John's revelation.

It was a truth once observable and witnessed by him, before it was written.

It is a universal framework that the scriptures even derives its origins from. So it's the other way around.

TV01:

Is there any unwritten and unknown truth that has been revealed to anyone, anywhere that is not simply a personal intimation but a general revelation that would effect the whole or, a very significant part of the body of Christ, or the gospel itself?


Cheers
TV

For clarity, are we talking of a positive effect or adverse effect? Thanks as I await feedback, especially on the number of canons that makes up the gospel.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 4:10pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:


Yeah, repeat yourself again and tell us Stephen Dollins never spoke about demons and their operations in that video...

Or tell us you didn't encourage the OP to expose Satan and shame him. Look at the screenshot again and refresh your memory.

"SATAN LIKES TO HIDE AND MAKES SURE HIS PEOPLE HIDES AND WHAT HE DOES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO, IF IN A CLOSED AND FACELESS FORUM LIKE THIS, YOU STILL HIDE, SATAN STILL HAS GLORY.

EXPOSE SATAN AND HIS WORKS IF YOU ARE REALLY DONE WITH HIM."


Inspirational Quote of the Year: Signed Anas09, 2019.
You make a hell of noise OKcornel. Why not screen grab where I encouraged EnthronedbyGod to go into demonology? You forget I called him out for his ways very early into this thread? Do you remember where I told him he was talking too much about satan than Jesus? What did he tell me? This was very early in this thread.

OKcornel, you have posted my comment, now post what EnthronedbyGod said before I told him to expose all his past cult activities.

You wouldn't even know Stephen Dollin I didn't post him here. The reason I mentioned Stephen to emphasise that, when he was done with his satanism, he confessed everything he did.

I won't call you a slenderer. The evidence is clear.

Until you post my comment which encouraged EnthronedbyGod, and why I made the comment, continue being who you are and be working for your master.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by TV01(m): 4:13pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:
Thanks for taking out time for this dialogue
No problem - hopefully we can all be edified

OkCornel:
I am still keen on the parameters regarding this written gospel truth. Is it limited to the writings of the Apostles? Is the gospel truth limited to a set of books. Yes or No. If yes, how many are they? So we can have a defined landmark for what is within/scriptures or canon.
The gospel is the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ. Specifically to mankind regards Gods unfolding plan of redemption. That is fully captured within the canon of biblical scripture.

A discussion of whether this should be 66 books or 72, the Catholic Bible or the one compiled by the Egyptian Coptic church, is to me irrelevant, unless you can show that the good news (of/the gospel) of our Lord Jesus Christ is materially affected by using one or the other.

OkCornel:
How many gospels/canons are we talking of here? 66? over 80?
As above

OkCornel:
This is not about getting extra materials that will contradict the gospel. How many canons makes up the scriptures that contain the gospel? If it's not open ended, how do we determine its completeness? How many canons are involved here?
I hope the above suffices? Please be specific about what is unclear if anything.

"If it is not open-ended how do we determine it's completeness", is a question for you to answer. I understand the canon to be completed with the writings of the apostles. The canonised faith has "once been delivered to all". Is there other/further truth out there? certainly, but it in no way changes the gospel message. Indeed, if it is open-ended, how can it at once be complete. Specifically the gospel, not personal intimations.

OkCornel:
You cannot know ALL TRUTH in a fixed period of time, albeit in this realm of existence. There is definitely a limit to what you can know by your own capacity. Since you cannot live forever in this realm of existence. The scope of ALL TRUTH however in this regard is not limited to religious beliefs. But all spheres of your life.
Well unless your argument is the Holy Spirit is only useful for scriptural matters, as opposed to all areas of your life. Be it career, spirituality, academics e.t.c.
So you are now limiting your "All TRUTH" proclamation"? Is it now the "gospel truth and personal intimations", not "everything about everything"?

Further , you further compromise your own postulations as you have claimed one needs to be a minimum (level2) of a genius to apprehend unwritten truth, and a prophet or seer (level 3) to avail oneself of unknown truth?

OkCornel:
All of the above. And if the OP deviates from the path, the same Holy Spirit will bring it to my attention. That brings us to 1 John 2 v 26-27 again.
So the contradiction between the OP and Pa Hagin - both of whom you witness to - did the Holy Spirit bring that to your attention and provide clarification?

OkCornel:
Again, that brings us to what ALL TRUTH means. Is it ALL TRUTH...or ALL SCRIPTURAL/GOSPEL TRUTH? . And back to the matter of gospel truth, how many books makes up the gospel TRUTH. I have not gotten your answer on this.
I believe you have. Please let me know if there is anything specific.

OkCornel:
My question is this. Is the prophecy or revelation any less of a TRUTH since it is not written in the Bible? Is that prophecy/revelation the word of God or the word of man?
That something s true, or even the word of God does not make it canonical or necessarily pertinent to the truth of the gospel.

There is not a different or additional, or as yet unrevealed redemptive work of God. Or additional work of The Lord Jesus Christ, which is what would be considered canonical or gospel truth at this point.

OkCornel:
And by something that directly imparts the gospel as received, do you mean...contradicting it? Absolutely not.
Ok

OkCornel:
Examples of progressive revelation within the time frame of the scriptures;
(a) Judah's captivity in Babylon was to last for 70 years as God revealed to Jeremiah. However, Daniel got further revelation on the matter to mean 490 years as the timespan.
(b) Prior to John's Revelation on a first and second resurrection, every other place in the scriptures pointed to both the righteous and wicked resurrected and judged on the same day. Nowhere else did we hear of a first and second resurrection.
(c) The era of the Law, then the Judges, then the Prophets...prior to the revelation of the Messiah is a big picture showing progressive revelation of the Truth and man's understanding of God over the ages.
All canonised. All captured within the gospel. If you insist on the term, show an example of progressive revelation outside the written canon. And one that is relevant/applicable to the body of Christ or even a significant part of it.

OkCornel:
Coming to know of any progressive revelation or unwritten truth that contradicts the core of the gospel...I don't know of any.
Not only not contradicts, but also, not adds or, not reveals, anything new in terms of the gospel abi? So what then is progressive revelation outside the gospel?

OkCornel:
Again, I do not know of any of those revelations that affects the core gospel truth. Although there are evidences, but those I've known of do not contradict the gospel.
Please explicate on what you term "evidence", as if it does not contradict nor embellish the gospel, it sounds like it is of no relevance

OkCornel:
It is not a "Christian/gospel derived framework" simply because it's not written black and white in the Bible. But that's what it is. Where do Prophets and seers get their revelations of Truth from? The Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit a written document? No. He is the Spirit of God, the source of all truth. Yet, they get their revelations from an unwritten source and pen it down. Just like the case of John's revelation. It was a truth once observable and witnessed by him, before it was written.
Then as I requested, corroborate it from the bible (any one of your choice), or the gospel contained within.

OkCornel:
It is a universal framework that the scriptures even derives its origins from. So it's the other way around.
Then please show how the scriptures (specifically the gospel/canon) derive from this universal framework, which it quite clearly contradicts.

OkCornel:
For clarity, are we talking of a positive effect or adverse effect? Thanks as I await feedback, especially on the number of canons that makes up the gospel.
Either. In any way whatsoever.

The canon is the number of books that comprise the Holy Scriptures or, bible if you prefer. The gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ which is the power of God to salvation is contained therein.


Cheers
TV

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 4:36pm On Sep 10
Anas09:

You make a hell of noise OKcornel. Why not screen grab where I encouraged EnthronedbyGod to go into demonology? You forget I called him out for his ways very early into this thread? Do you remember where I told him he was talking too much about satan than Jesus? What did he tell me? This was very early in this thread.

OKcornel, you have posted my comment, now post what EnthronedbyGod said before I told him to expose all his past cult activities.

You wouldn't even know Stephen Dollin I didn't post him here. The reason I mentioned Stephen to emphasise that, when he was done with his satanism, he confessed everything he did.

I won't call you a slenderer. The evidence is clear.

Until you post my comment which encouraged EnthronedbyGod, and why I made the comment, continue being who you are and be working for your master.

Needless emotional outbursts.

You outrightly lied the ex-satanist Stephen Dollins never called names of Demons and their operations in his video. You were busted for that lie.

Now take a look at these two screenshots below and see you contradicting yourself.

Screenshot 1: You encouraging the OP to expose Satan and his works

Screenshot 2: Same you saying something opposite, and on top of that...lying on Stephen Dollins.

Why the lies Anas09? Why?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 5:14pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:

Anas09, start showing everyone on this thread where I misquoted scriptures.

You misquoted or misinterpreted Every verse of scripture where Jesus mentioned demons and satan and said Jesus was teaching about demons. Even when everyone except you and your mentor Jesusjnr, have told you that that is not what the scriptures are saying, you insist. What are you doing if not lying and trying to steal the truth from seekers?

OkCornel:

I will give you an example of the latest lie you just told on Stephen Dollins in the youtube video you watched. You lied he never taught about demons and their operations abi?
Answer me this, how many names of demons did Stephen give in his video? Did he mention where they are located and their hierarchies?
No, he didn't. All he did was tell people about his past activities, and how to identify the symbols of satan and avoid them.

OkCornel:

Please anyone should start by checking the time stamp on the video below from 36 minutes 20 seconds to 39 minutes 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU
You see Stephen Dollins giving detailed explanation on how he was admitted to the church of satan, to how he summoned a demon called ashtaroth a high-ranked demon to go attack a born-again believer in Christ that threatened to expose their coven. And how to put a hex on the born-again believer. And how the whole mission failed eventually
And how does these entail teaching demonology?

He explained how he naturally could perform magic without understanding how at a very young age. As a result he was popular amongst his peers. He was adopted and didn't know his parents or that they practiced witchcraft until later on in life. He grew up an atheist who didn't believe in God or the existence of demons until he had to write an essay saying there were no witches. In his research, he met real witches who gave him enough reason to believe witches existed. After that he was FORCED into witchcraft by killing his adopted father, and later branched into satanism and he became a high priest.

A girl whose mother was Christian was initiated, and her mother discovered her daughter had been initiated into witchcraft and was going to expsoe them, she reported to Stephen the Head of their Grotto, he summoned a spirit to kill her, but the spirit couldn't. Instead was very terrified and warned him never to send him to a Christian again.

This set Stephen off as the spirit is the strongest he had worked with. In the course of trying to understand why the ordinary, simple Christian terrified the demon that much, he was told my satan to kill himself and go to their heaven. Him and his witch wife agreed but before he did that, he told a Christian Colleague at work what he wanted to do, and that one intervened which let to his being born again in Christ. After that he has been telling people especially parents the dangers of some cartoons their kids watch. He revealed the hidden symbols that Satananists use.

How in all of these did Stephen teach demonology? Did he do what EnthronedbyGod was doing here?

How many demons and their hierarchies did Stephen mention?
Apart from symbols, what other thing did Stephen say?

Again, I won't call you a slenderer, you know yourself.
OkCornel:

Anas09...stop telling lies.
And for the umpteenth time, tell everyone what Jesus was teaching His disciples in Matthew 17 v 15 -21; Matthew 12 v 43-45; Luke 9 v 49-50.
What are the names of the demons, their locations and how and where they operate did Jesus teach in these verses? Pls give me an answer.
Keep screaming liar everywhere. It won't make me a lair.

OkCornel:

Sorry, remind me again...where did Kenneth Hagin get his revelation on operations of evil spirits from? His fantasies?
And this is scripture to you abi? If you can't preach the Gospel that saves from sin, then get out of the Church.

OkCornel:

See diversion tactics, who is talking about who discovered what? The point here is that you went to watch an ex-satanist's (Stephen Dollins) video exposing the secrets and works of satanism, and encouraged the OP to EXPOSE THE WORKS OF SATAN AND SHAME HIM. The OP did the same thing as Stephen Dollins did...but you later went ahead to attack the OP because your differences with Jesusjnr. It is damn too clear here.
Lolzzzzz. If You can accuse Jesus of Nazareth of teaching demonology, is it Stephen Dollin you won't accuse?

He was a satanist, he repented and revealed what he did, not what demons do, where they live theirs names and ranks. See the difference?

OkCornel:

Anas09, please look at the screenshot below and refresh your memory again. You told the OP to expose Satan and shame him. Abi was it another person that hacked into your account to type that?
And coming to tell us Stephen Dollin didn't tell names of demons and their operations in that 4 hour long video is a blatant lie.
Can you post what the Op said before I said that?

Now you have Stephen Dollin whom you are erroneously saying he taught demonology, it is the manner in which he totally revealed all HE DID, that conditioned my telling the Op to expose his activities with satan in that same manner. I never told him to teach demonology.
Small wonder why you wont quote where he called me names when I told him to go easy of his demonology. Why not quote that? And that was very early in this thread. Quote that.

OkCornel:

How low can you sink? Tell me...what's the difference in preaching the Acts of the Apostles, then the Acts of God's Generals that lived outside the Bible times or that of Kenneth Hagin? or is it only in the Bible era God used people?
Go into all the world's and preach the Good News to all creatures. Is that what you are doing here?

OkCornel:

Oh, so it's now a thing of shame to preach the testimony of others abi? Or wait...Kenneth Hagin wasn't preaching Jesus? is that your point here? Abi we should also disregard the Acts of the Apostles since that one also spoke on the Apostle's encounters?
He that is called of God, speaks the word of God.

Go into the worlds and preach saying 'Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.
Whose servant are you?

OkCornel:

Keep on lying that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, wizards, witches, the church of satan e.t.c in that video. Keep on lying ehn...
Apart from the name of the demon he invoke against the Christian lady, which other demons did Stephen mention?

Did you talk about what that demon do, his rank in the army if satan? Where it's located whether here on earth, in the Marine kingdom or in the second heavens? Did he?
So, if some says, demons are responsible for sickness and diseases on earth, that person has taught about demons yeah?

OkCornel:

Oh wait, so the goal post has now shifted to Stephen Dollins never taught about demons to... Stephen Dollins didn't teach about demons like the OP did? Wetin be this abeg cheesy cheesy cheesy

[quote author=OkCornel post=82080807]
Oh my bad... so Kenneth Hagin wasn't preaching the gospel of Jesus? Interesting...
And you are nor Kenneth E. Hagins disciple, instead of Jesus?

All I have seen here is a show of pride, you think if you admit that teaching demonology is against the scriptures, means you are defeated hence holds firmly in your error,. Keep it up.

I drop you here. EnthronedbyGod was a demonologist and you are his. disciple. QED.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 5:33pm On Sep 10
Anas09:



You misquoted or misinterpreted Every verse of scripture where Jesus mentioned demons and satan and said Jesus was teaching about demons. Even when everyone except you and your mentor Jesusjnr, have told you that that is not what the scriptures are saying, you insist. What are you doing if not lying and trying to steal the truth from seekers?


Answer me this, how many names of demons did Stephen give in his video? Did he mention where they are located and their hierarchies?
No, he didn't. All he did was tell people about his past activities, and how to identify the symbols of satan and avoid them.


And how does these entail teaching demonology?

He explained how he naturally could perform magic without understanding how at a very young age. As a result he was popular amongst his peers. He was adopted and didn't know his parents or that they practiced witchcraft until later on in life. He grew up an atheist who didn't believe in God or the existence of demons until he had to write an essay saying there were no witches. In his research, he met real witches who gave him enough reason to believe witches existed. After that he was FORCED into witchcraft by killing his adopted father, and later branched into satanism and he became a high priest.

A girl whose mother was Christian was initiated, and her mother discovered her daughter had been initiated into witchcraft and was going to expsoe them, she reported to Stephen the Head of their Grotto, he summoned a spirit to kill her, but the spirit couldn't. Instead was very terrified and warned him never to send him to a Christian again.

This set Stephen off as the spirit is the strongest he had worked with. In the course of trying to understand why the ordinary, simple Christian terrified the demon that much, he was told my satan to kill himself and go to their heaven. Him and his witch wife agreed but before he did that, he told a Christian Colleague at work what he wanted to do, and that one intervened which let to his being born again in Christ. After that he has been telling people especially parents the dangers of some cartoons their kids watch. He revealed the hidden symbols that Satananists use.

How in all of these did Stephen teach demonology? Did he do what EnthronedbyGod was doing here?

How many demons and their hierarchies did Stephen mention?
Apart from symbols, what other thing did Stephen say?

Again, I won't call you a slenderer, you know yourself.

What are the names of the demons, their locations and how and where they operate did Jesus teach in these verses? Pls give me an answer.
Keep screaming liar everywhere. It won't make me a lair.


And this is scripture to you abi? If you can't preach the Gospel that saves from sin, then get out of the Church.


Lolzzzzz. If You can accuse Jesus of Nazareth of teaching demonology, is it Stephen Dollin you won't accuse?

He was a satanist, he repented and revealed what he did, not what demons do, where they live theirs names and ranks. See the difference?


Can you post what the Op said before I said that?

Now you have Stephen Dollin whom you are erroneously saying he taught demonology, it is the manner in which he totally revealed all HE DID, that conditioned my telling the Op to expose his activities with satan in that same manner. I never told him to teach demonology.
Small wonder why you wont quote where he called me names when I told him to go easy of his demonology. Why not quote that? And that was very early in this thread. Quote that.


Go into all the world's and preach the Good News to all creatures. Is that what you are doing here?


He that is called of God, speaks the word of God.

Go into the worlds and preach saying 'Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.
Whose servant are you?


Apart from the name of the demon he invoke against the Christian lady, which other demons did Stephen mention?

Did you talk about what that demon do, his rank in the army if satan? Where it's located whether here on earth, in the Marine kingdom or in the second heavens? Did he?
So, if some says, demons are responsible for sickness and diseases on earth, that person has taught about demons yeah?


I have brought just one example from that video and automatically you've shifted goal post from "Stephen Dollins didn't teach about names and ranks of demons" to "That was the only time he taught about demons"


So the other parts of the video he was giving lectures on witches, wizards, warlocks nko? And how evil spirits are summoned?

If I put that one here, you will shift goal post to something else.

This is quite shameful of you.


Oh well, Jesus must have been wrong to teach Kenneth Hagin on Demons then. And Kenneth Hagin must have been wrong to publish the Triumphant Church as a result of that. Smh.

Feel free to call EnthronedbyGod whatever...since that will soothe your frayed nerves and give you an illusion of purpose.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 6:04pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:


I have brought just one example from that video and automatically you've shifted goal post from "Stephen Dollins didn't teach about names and ranks of demons" to "That was the only time he taught about demons"


So the other parts of the video he was giving lectures on witches, wizards, warlocks nko? And how evil spirits are summoned?

If I put that one here, you will shift goal post to something else.

This is quite shameful of you.


Oh well, Jesus must have been wrong to teach Kenneth Hagin on Demons then. And Kenneth Hagin must have been wrong to publish the Triumphant Church as a result of that. Smh.

Feel free to call EnthronedbyGod whatever...since that will soothe your frayed nerves and give you an illusion of purpose.

I repeat Stephen never taught about demons. He only narrated how he got into satanism and showed tge symbols used by the Church of Satan.

How many names of demons did he mention?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 6:58pm On Sep 10
Anas09:

I repeat Stephen never taught about demons. He only narrated how he got into satanism and showed tge symbols used by the Church of Satan.

How many names of demons did he mention?

Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 7:08pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:


I have brought just one example from that video and automatically you've shifted goal post from "Stephen Dollins didn't teach about names and ranks of demons" to "That was the only time he taught about demons"


So the other parts of the video he was giving lectures on witches, wizards, warlocks nko? And how evil spirits are summoned?

If I put that one here, you will shift goal post to something else.

This is quite shameful of you.


Oh well, Jesus must have been wrong to teach Kenneth Hagin on Demons then. And Kenneth Hagin must have been wrong to publish the Triumphant Church as a result of that. Smh.

Feel free to call EnthronedbyGod whatever...since that will soothe your frayed nerves and give you an illusion of purpose.

Lol!

It's very obvious what she's desperately trying to do, trying to shift focus from her blatant lies.

EnthronedbyGod was a charlatan, now I'm your mentor Lol!

What a shame!

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 7:17pm On Sep 10
jesusjnr:
Lol!

It's very obvious what she's desperately trying to do, trying to shift focus from her blatant lies.

EnthronedbyGod was a charlatan, now I'm your mentor Lol!

What a shame!

Isn't it amazing how the goal post even changed from "deep things of Satan" to demonology now.

While Stephen Dollins did a very good job at exposing Satanism in that 4 hour video...he was not teaching the deep things of Satan.
But as for EnthronedbyGod exposing the kingdom of darkness on this thread... na deep things of Satan e dey teach.

Double standards ehn...

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 9:10pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?




Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 9:11pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?




Besides the demon Stephen summoned to kill a Christian pls mention other demons he mentioned and what he said about them.

Even the demon he summoned, what more did he say about it?
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 10:11pm On Sep 10
OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?




All of a sudden you have gone silent on why I told EnthronedbyGod to reveal all his cultism activities, but are focusing on Stephen Dollin. Ingenuity of the devil.

You pretend like you didn't see what he said which prompted me to tell him to confess all he did with satan.

The very post you dug up about Dollin, is the same post I told EnthronedbyGod why he shd reveal everything he did if he was indeed done with satan, as Dollin did.

How did Dollin come into this thread? I brought him in, I told EnthronedbyGod that Dollin was done with satan hence he confessed all. Dollin didn't come talking about what people or demons did or do, he confessed all He EVER DID, so, I told your mentor to do the same, but instead of reporting the truth, you want to make it seem like I am with him in his demonology. Sorry, I am not. Everyone who has followed up this thread saw the little altercation him and I almost had because i told him to go easy with his demonology. He called me an agent of satan.
Did you see that I was the first person who called him out by telling him to preach Christ instead of satan in the early pages of this thread? Why aren't you posting that?

Who Is the lying thief now?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by TabletMan: 10:24pm On Sep 10
jesusjnr:
If EnthronedbyGod was a fraudster, then you are much worse.

As you can see for yourself, even though he's left, the work still continues.

Btw you have don't have the least idea concerning atheism, if not you'd know that it has absolutely nothing to do with winning arguments but the Spirit of God being with someone.
Winning argument matters alot because you cannot covert an unbeliever without a superior and sound argument. There is a reason why Oyedepo, adeboye, Eneche and their likes don't need fake miracles to convince their followers to believe in them. They are scholars and not just pastors. You cannot twist their brain psychologically because they are learned and this is exactly the same reason why Catholic priesthood take upto 12-16 before you can become a Rev. Fr.... Go and check small ministries and unknown churches that litters our streets being manage by illiterate persons that wakes up in the morning and said 'God called them' and compare them with the men I listed earlier.




As for the bolded.... I can only see useless dragging of who is right and wrong.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:04pm On Sep 10
Anas09:
Everyone who has followed up this thread saw the little altercation him and I almost had because i told him to go easy with his demonology. He called me an agent of satan.
Did you see that I was the first person who called him out by telling him to preach Christ instead of satan in the early pages of this thread? Why aren't you posting that?
"Anas09, "you don't know warris going on. Eventuarry you will know" As it happens, people already know about them two, even as a matter of fact, already, people are contacting me and enquiring about those two. The thing is jesusjnr and EnthronedbyGod are cut from the same cloth and are joined at the hip.

Almost 65 pages and not a single mention of the spiritual consequences of religious/christian cults and deliverance from them through Jesus Christ. No mention of the dangers of getting sucked into religious cults and/or trapped in religious fanaticism. David Koresh, the American religious cult leader and Jim Jones, a faith healer and another religious cult leader, both believed they had the right to kill their followers and this carried out through mass suicide and mass murder. Many innocent children, families and gullible followers just like that died.

Almost 65 pages and no mention of occultism in church(es). Oh I get it. That is an elephant in the room, that no one sees and/or talks about

Almost 65 pages and not a comment about the dangers of drinking the Kool-Aid, pastor ordering members to eat grass, saying it has being blessed, so eat to show devotion to God and to "be closer to Him," pastor telling congregation to drink petrol, saying it tastes like pineapple juice etcetera at the command of some delusional, pseudo-pastor/prophet/cult leader. Nothing said about joining religious/christian cults, that control of what members wear, eat or drink, have members withdraw from their families and/or from general society. Members threatened with disfellowshipping and/or excommunication, if noticed wanting to not toe the line. Any of the religious/christian cults know themselves and so no point in mentioning names and thereby giving them free ads

You're creating your own little drama, out of you having a false sense of yourself and a disjointed feeling of self importance.

Where did you spring from, erhn. Where did you come from and got loose without a rope round your neck, hmm? If you are pissed because you think you have been spoken to anyhow, you must have deserved the way you were spoken to then, so please just perish that unfounded thought about curses being brought upon anybody.

Can anyone believe the cheek and gall of you, trying to fighten, intimidate and cast fear into people. Only dark, manipulative and ugly at heart somebody does something like pulling a trick like this. Smh

The common curse of mankind is, folly and ignorance. The folly and ignorance that even the head honcho, the Devil, can't curse whom God has blessed, talkless a mere puny charlatan of a person, talking about "I don't curse people no matter how offensive they may seem" May God punish curse and pesin nursing and/or toying with curse idea(s).

"4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you (i.e. see that no one leads you astray)
5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many (i.e. they will mislead many)"
- Matthew 24:4-5

Keep on being busy under satan's yolk, with images of Jesus. Alright? If anyone wants to know what Jesus looks like, look at your neighbour

I have warned you before, I do recall that, I've told you to repent. You better take heed to my warning, as a legit moG, unlike the fraud and charlatan that you are. God is slow in anger, but trust me, if you headstrong keep toeing this path, the punishment and fate you rightly deserve is just round the corner doing sit-ups because of you. I know you wont repent, wont take heed of the warning because you are a bigger fool than I am
"
- Religion/Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 9:58am On Aug 20

The hand of God is mightily raised, ready to chop and knock you off your high horse and make you sit in the dirt. The above red inverted commas is a reminder of my warning to you

"Ask God to bless anyone who curses you, and pray for everyone who is cruel to you"
- Luke 6:28

"Ask God to bless everyone who mistreats you. Ask him to bless them and not to curse them."
- Romans 12:14

Wow, you really dont miss a trick, do you. You've employed psychological manipulation and emotional blackmail, now here is you, making use of a clever, indirect, subtle and veiled threat method of threatening to curse. Someone certainly has forgotten about them two, Luke 6:28 and Romans 12:14 above, for them to even have brought up a subject of curse. Fyi EnthronedbyGod, no one can curse a believer and/or a child of God, without the believers' or child of God's consent. If any tries and does, then the curse boomerangs and returns back to sender. Balaam wouldnt try that suicidal nonsense, even with Balaak, king of Moab, pressurizing him to curse

Good on you, you're learning to be cautious, especially now with all eyes on you, but you try sha pretending you dont know or arent familiar with UFO phenomenon

The mask is slipping, that is why you're warning Anas09 to be very careful, because there's a thin line between love and hate. What you dont know is, love or hate, both are in her favour, because no weapon fashioned against her shall prosper, and every accursed tongue which rises against her in judgment shall be condemned. This is an inheritance to them that serve the Lord
"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 7:01pm On Aug 24

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:05pm On Sep 10
Anas09:
Everyone who has followed up this thread saw the little altercation him and I almost had because i told him to go easy with his demonology. He called me an agent of satan.
Did you see that I was the first person who called him out by telling him to preach Christ instead of satan in the early pages of this thread? Why aren't you posting that?
"Anas09, "you don't know warris going on. Eventuarry you will know" As it happens, people already know about them two, even as a matter of fact, already, people are contacting me and enquiring about those two. The thing is jesusjnr and EnthronedbyGod are cut from the same cloth and are joined at the hip.

Almost 65 pages and not a single mention of the spiritual consequences of religious/christian cults and deliverance from them through Jesus Christ. No mention of the dangers of getting sucked into religious cults and/or trapped in religious fanaticism. David Koresh, the American religious cult leader and Jim Jones, a faith healer and another religious cult leader, both believed they had the right to kill their followers and this carried out through mass suicide and mass murder. Many innocent children, families and gullible followers just like that died.

Almost 65 pages and no mention of occultism in church(es). Oh I get it. That is an elephant in the room, that no one sees and/or talks about

Almost 65 pages and not a comment about the dangers of drinking the Kool-Aid, pastor ordering members to eat grass, saying it has being blessed, so eat to show devotion to God and to "be closer to Him," pastor telling congregation to drink petrol, saying it tastes like pineapple juice etcetera at the command of some delusional, pseudo-pastor/prophet/cult leader. Nothing said about joining religious/christian cults, that control of what members wear, eat or drink, have members withdraw from their families and/or from general society. Members threatened with disfellowshipping and/or excommunication, if noticed wanting to not toe the line. Any of the religious/christian cults know themselves and so no point in mentioning names and thereby giving them free ads

You're creating your own little drama, out of you having a false sense of yourself and a disjointed feeling of self importance.

Where did you spring from, erhn. Where did you come from and got loose without a rope round your neck, hmm? If you are pissed because you think you have been spoken to anyhow, you must have deserved the way you were spoken to then, so please just perish that unfounded thought about curses being brought upon anybody.

Can anyone believe the cheek and gall of you, trying to fighten, intimidate and cast fear into people. Only dark, manipulative and ugly at heart somebody does something like pulling a trick like this. Smh

The common curse of mankind is, folly and ignorance. The folly and ignorance that even the head honcho, the Devil, can't curse whom God has blessed, talkless a mere puny charlatan of a person, talking about "I don't curse people no matter how offensive they may seem" May God punish curse and pesin nursing and/or toying with curse idea(s).

The hand of God is mightily raised, ready to chop and knock you off your high horse and make you sit in the dirt. The above red inverted commas is a reminder of my warning to you

"Ask God to bless anyone who curses you, and pray for everyone who is cruel to you"
- Luke 6:28

"Ask God to bless everyone who mistreats you. Ask him to bless them and not to curse them."
- Romans 12:14

Wow, you really dont miss a trick, do you. You've employed psychological manipulation and emotional blackmail, now here is you, making use of a clever, indirect, subtle and veiled threat method of threatening to curse. Someone certainly has forgotten about them two, Luke 6:28 and Romans 12:14 above, for them to even have brought up a subject of curse. Fyi EnthronedbyGod, no one can curse a believer and/or a child of God, without the believers' or child of God's consent. If any tries and does, then the curse boomerangs and returns back to sender. Balaam wouldnt try that suicidal nonsense, even with Balaak, king of Moab, pressurizing him to curse

Good on you, you're learning to be cautious, especially now with all eyes on you, but you try sha pretending you dont know or arent familiar with UFO phenomenon

The mask is slipping, that is why you're warning Anas09 to be very careful, because there's a thin line between love and hate. What you dont know is, love or hate, both are in her favour, because no weapon fashioned against her shall prosper, and every accursed tongue which rises against her in judgment shall be condemned. This is an inheritance to them that serve the Lord
"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 7:01pm On Aug 24


"4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you (i.e. see that no one leads you astray)
5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many (i.e. they will mislead many)"
- Matthew 24:4-5

Keep on being busy under satan's yolk, with images of Jesus. Alright? If anyone wants to know what Jesus looks like, look at your neighbour

I have warned you before, I do recall that, I've told you to repent. You better take heed to my warning, as a legit moG, unlike the fraud and charlatan that you are. God is slow in anger, but trust me, if you headstrong keep toeing this path, the punishment and fate you rightly deserve is just round the corner doing sit-ups because of you. I know you wont repent, wont take heed of the warning because you are a bigger fool than I am
"
- Religion/Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 9:58am On Aug 20
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:32pm On Sep 10
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 11:53pm On Sep 10
TabletMan:

Winning argument matters alot because you cannot covert an unbeliever without a superior and sound argument. There is a reason why Oyedepo, adeboye, Eneche and their likes don't need fake miracles to convince their followers to believe in them. They are scholars and not just pastors. You cannot twist their brain psychologically because they are learned and this is exactly the same reason why Catholic priesthood take upto 12-16 before you can become a Rev. Fr.... Go and check small ministries and unknown churches that litters our streets being manage by illiterate persons that wakes up in the morning and said 'God called them' and compare them with the men I listed earlier.




As for the bolded.... I can only see useless dragging of who is right and wrong.
I can clearly see where you miss the whole point, because you don't even know that the world cannot be truly convinced with what they already have?

It's only what they don't have that can convince them, and that's the Spirit of God. That's why the church that Jesus built with illiterates {Luke 10:21} is yet observed as the model church up til this day.

That's what the church lacks today because the Spirit of God has been replaced with worldly knowledge which the world already has, which is what you're talking about. But the difference is clear because you can't coufound the world with what the world already has.

Hence Jesus telling the church to wait first until the Spirit of God endued them with power, because He knew that they needed something superior to what the world had to be able to convince them. So that's a place the church has gotten it really wrong.

I mean imagine that what the disciples had then was just worldly knowledge, so nothing would distinguish them from those of the world, as they would be arguing endlessly and trying to convince the world with the knowledge the world already has.

But they had a higher power which gave them the ability at the time to do what the world couldn't do, which is to speak in the one language that all men could understand. And you know the result, it saved them a lot of unnecessary arguments with the world, as the world was like "Wow! we don't have that"! Can you give us some? {Acts 2:5-12}

So that is not just winning arguments, but killing any possible arguments, hence the need for the Holy Spirit.

As per the bolded, it shows the thread lives on................

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 12:06am On Sep 11
jesusjnr:
I can clearly see where you miss the whole point, because you don't even know that the world cannot be truly convinced with what they already have?

It's only what they don't have that can convince them, and that's the Spirit of God. That's why the church that Jesus built with illiterates is yet observed as the model church up til this day.

That's what the church lacks today because the Spirit of God has been replaced with worldly knowledge which the world already has, which is what you're talking about. But the difference is clear because you can't coufound the world with what the world already has.

Hence Jesus telling the church to wait first until the Spirit of God endued them with power, because He knew that they needed something superior to what the world had to be able to convince them. So that's a place the church has gotten it really wrong.

I mean imagine that what the disciples had then was just worldly knowledge, so nothing would distinguish them from those of the world, as they would be arguing endlessly and trying to convince the world with the knowledge the world already has.

But they had a higher power which gave them the ability at the time to do what the world couldn't do, which is to speak in the one language that all men could understand. And you know the result, it saved them a lot of unnecessary arguments with the world, as the world was like "Wow! we don't have that"! Can you give us some? {Acts 2:5-12}

So that is not just winning arguments, but killing any possible arguments, hence the need for the Holy Spirit.

As per the bolded, it shows the thread lives on................
@^^^Who has a deodorant please? To get rid of unpleasant smells, especially like the one that's just wafted and reared its smelly self in now
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by CodeTemplar: 3:45am On Sep 11
OkCornel:


Needless emotional outbursts.

You outrightly lied the ex-satanist Stephen Dollins never called names of Demons and their operations in his video. You were busted for that lie.

Now take a look at these two screenshots below and see you contradicting yourself.

Screenshot 1: You encouraging the OP to expose Satan and his works

Screenshot 2: Same you saying something opposite, and on top of that...lying on Stephen Dollins.

Why the lies Anas09? Why?
When you guys were arguing and posting long repetitive stuff, I knew what you were up to then.
Why not start a new thread for all these derailing talks and let folks who have things to say about spiritual angle to cultism post here? why?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 8:14am On Sep 11
CodeTemplar:
When you guys were arguing and posting long repetitive stuff, I knew what you were up to then.
Why not start a new thread for all these derailing talks and let folks who have things to say about spiritual angle to cultism post here? why?

And you didn't deem it worthy to go after those who relentlessly labelled the OP a demonologist and a charlatan abi?
You didn't see where I repeatedly called for them to unfollow this thread?

And by the way, you didn't see anywhere on this thread I suggested discussing other matters on a separate thread?

Park well, someone is trying to be clever by half by justifying an ex-satanist (Stephen Dollins) for exposing the kingdom of darkness and yet at the same time castigate the OP for doing the same thing.

I'm going to see that to an end here. Well unless you also have an appetite for double standards.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by TabletMan: 9:26am On Sep 11
jesusjnr:
I can clearly see where you miss the whole point, because you don't even know that the world cannot be truly convinced with what they already have?

It's only what they don't have that can convince them, and that's the Spirit of God. That's why the church that Jesus built with illiterates {Luke 10:21} is yet observed as the model church up til this day.

That's what the church lacks today because the Spirit of God has been replaced with worldly knowledge which the world already has, which is what you're talking about. But the difference is clear because you can't coufound the world with what the world already has.

Hence Jesus telling the church to wait first until the Spirit of God endued them with power, because He knew that they needed something superior to what the world had to be able to convince them. So that's a place the church has gotten it really wrong.

I mean imagine that what the disciples had then was just worldly knowledge, so nothing would distinguish them from those of the world, as they would be arguing endlessly and trying to convince the world with the knowledge the world already has.

But they had a higher power which gave them the ability at the time to do what the world couldn't do, which is to speak in the one language that all men could understand. And you know the result, it saved them a lot of unnecessary arguments with the world, as the world was like "Wow! we don't have that"! Can you give us some? {Acts 2:5-12}

So that is not just winning arguments, but killing any possible arguments, hence the need for the Holy Spirit.

As per the bolded, it shows the thread lives on................
Ok Bro... You win

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by solomonbrown64: 9:52am On Sep 11
....... I followed Charlie's thread on the supernatural which was something similar to this and while I was scared to pieces concerning his travails and what he passed through since childhood because of the gift God gave him, I still learnt a lot from what he had to share. I realized for the first time that there's really nothing like "free will" like we are meant to believe by free thinkers and their lots but rather a choice between two allegiance; that choice is non-negotiable. A man must pick a side. I also learnt about how much powerful the supernatural is above the physical and I have been drawn ever since to the superior plane and I have spent a great deal of time over the years to learn about this side, majorly through the testimonies of those who once served darkness .

..... I listened to Emmanuel Omobajesu's tapes, read Rebecca Brown's books (although I don't approve of her dwelling on the dark only but everyone has their style of writing), Derek Prince, John Echardt and channels on YouTube. These Preachers and former Satanists helped expose the wiles and manipulations of Satan and how we can overcome them; the importance of warfare. Many Christians don't know this and keep struggling with so many things that would have been history if they knew the forces behind these things. According to the late Hagin, a lot of Christians are still Babies and have failed to move up the ladder of growth to maturity. These Christians will struggle with a lot of things and when a teacher tries to explain things to them, instead of listening, these "limited" Christians will argue on the basis of nothing other than pride.

.... I see people like the OP as teachers and areas we do not know, they teach us. But the problem here has always been pride, right from Charlie's thread which is almost non - existent now to this budding thread that has now been killed. Silly arguements nearly killed the first one from the start and it certainly killed this one. Yes, both persons who opened the thread have different gifts; one is a seer/prophet, the other has discernment of spirits but all under the deliverance ministry. It's under this ministry that demons and their works are usually exposed. Preachers like Oyedepo, Copeland will say little on demons because that's not what they were called to preach. Jesus takes a lot of people into the supernatural so that they can see for themselves how the devil and his demons operate for what purpose other than for Christians to guard themselves properly. Jesus loves bringing Satanists out of darkness to expose the workings of Satan. He does this most times by himself and not through Evangelism because he wants these things exposed.

..... Everyone has an opinion which is true but as usual, especially on this forum, it's always nonsense. It's wise to keep quiet and watch rather than claim what you don't know based on knowledge of the letter without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. A lot which has been seen on this thread and many others on this section. Everyone wants to be heard and even when ignored, some persons will still carry on until they are heard. What is that?

...For the first time, I know the repercussions of cultism from the spiritual aspect. I watched a video yesterday about the best universities in the world and their strong affiliation with the dark world where a lot of initiations take place under the guise of fellowships, sororities and co. In our regions, they are cults. The video tallies with what the OP posted here and this revelation was given to the poster in that video by God. A lot of souls are being lost because of ignorance especially to the spiritual aspects of these harmless cults but instead of fellow Christians to learn, they will instead decide to fight and argue of nothing they know based on their limited understanding of the scriptures and experience in the supernatural. It's a shame that another thread based on the supernatural for the advantage of God's people have been killed again by no other than Christians themselves.

.... I will urge the OP to go through Charles thread and watch how similar arguements killed that online ministry. He should learn and know how to pick his "online friends." He must always be guided by the Holy Spirit and not lean on his understanding especially for someone who said he wasn't used to social media. People here on Nairaland have an overrated opinion of themselves online and will do anything to be heard at all costs even to the detriment of disciples they claim they head over. Whenever you decide to come back again OP, be guided by your utterances even when provoked because I see that such remarks can be likened to when an adult is speaking, and a child keeps cutting in and arguing on what he barely knows. It's what I see from your replies but you know it's the social media and everyone has a voice.

.... I know you come here once in a while to read things but don't give up on the ministry God has called you into based on the fierce attacks here especially from fellow Christians. Be strong and rise up again and remember not every one likes it when the shine and focus is taken off them. God was using you in a peculiar way, different from the norms here and some people didn't like it. You have had experiences and revelations that others here crave and desire but God singled a former cultist out for the job to the Glory of his name. Not all are happy about that, don't be fooled by their comments as they are now showing their true colours. But I am sure you have learnt your lessons.

....We must be guided by the Holy Spirit at all times before we go against the workings of God. God bless us all.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by jesusjnr(m): 10:00am On Sep 11
TabletMan:
Ok Bro... You win
What's most important, is that God wins at the end of it all.

God bless.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 10:51am On Sep 11
solomonbrown64:
....... I followed Charlie's thread on the supernatural which was something similar to this and while I was scared to pieces concerning his travails and what he passed through since childhood because of the gift God gave him, I still learnt a lot from what he had to share. I realized for the first time that there's really nothing like "free will" like we are meant to believe by free thinkers and their lots but rather a choice between two allegiance; that choice is non-negotiable. A man must pick a side. I also learnt about how much powerful the supernatural is above the physical and I have been drawn ever since to the superior plane and I have spent a great deal of time over the years to learn about this side, majorly through the testimonies of those who once served darkness .

..... I listened to Emmanuel Omobajesu's tapes, read Rebecca Brown's books (although I don't approve of her dwelling on the dark only but everyone has their style of writing), Derek Prince, John Echardt and channels on YouTube. These Preachers and former Satanists helped expose the wiles and manipulations of Satan and how we can overcome them; the importance of warfare. Many Christians don't know this and keep struggling with so many things that would have been history if they knew the forces behind these things. According to the late Hagin, a lot of Christians are still Babies and have failed to move up the ladder of growth to maturity. These Christians will struggle with a lot of things and when a teacher tries to explain things to them, instead of listening, these "limited" Christians will argue on the basis of nothing other than pride.

.... I see people like the OP as teachers and areas we do not know, they teach us. But the problem here has always been pride, right from Charlie's thread which is almost non - existent now to this budding thread that has now been killed. Silly arguements nearly killed the first one from the start and it certainly killed this one. Yes, both persons who opened the thread have different gifts; one is a seer/prophet, the other has discernment of spirits but all under the deliverance ministry. It's under this ministry that demons and their works are usually exposed. Preachers like Oyedepo, Copeland will say little on demons because that's not what they were called to preach. Jesus takes a lot of people into the supernatural so that they can see for themselves how the devil and his demons operate for what purpose other than for Christians to guard themselves properly. Jesus loves bringing Satanists out of darkness to expose the workings of Satan. He does this most times by himself and not through Evangelism because he wants these things exposed.

..... Everyone has an opinion which is true but as usual, especially on this forum, it's always nonsense. It's wise to keep quiet and watch rather than claim what you don't know based on knowledge of the letter without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. A lot which has been seen on this thread and many others on this section. Everyone wants to be heard and even when ignored, some persons will still carry on until they are heard. What is that?

...For the first time, I know the repercussions of cultism from the spiritual aspect. I watched a video yesterday about the best universities in the world and their strong affiliation with the dark world where a lot of initiations take place under the guise of fellowships, sororities and co. In our regions, they are cults. The video tallies with what the OP posted here and this revelation was given to the poster in that video by God. A lot of souls are being lost because of ignorance especially to the spiritual aspects of these harmless cults but instead of fellow Christians to learn, they will instead decide to fight and argue of nothing they know based on their limited understanding of the scriptures and experience in the supernatural. It's a shame that another thread based on the supernatural for the advantage of God's people have been killed again by no other than Christians themselves.

.... I will urge the OP to go through Charles thread and watch how similar arguements killed that online ministry. He should learn and know how to pick his "online friends." He must always be guided by the Holy Spirit and not lean on his understanding especially for someone who said he wasn't used to social media. People here on Nairaland have an overrated opinion of themselves online and will do anything to be heard at all costs even to the detriment of disciples they claim they head over. Whenever you decide to come back again OP, be guided by your utterances even when provoked because I see that such remarks can be likened to when an adult is speaking, and a child keeps cutting in and arguing on what he barely knows. It's what I see from your replies but you know it's the social media and everyone has a voice.

.... I know you come here once in a while to read things but don't give up on the ministry God has called you into based on the fierce attacks here especially from fellow Christians. Be strong and rise up again and remember not every one likes it when the shine and focus is taken off them. God was using you in a peculiar way, different from the norms here and some people didn't like it. You have had experiences and revelations that others here crave and desire but God singled a former cultist out for the job to the Glory of his name. Not all are happy about that, don't be fooled by their comments as they are now showing their true colours. But I am sure you have learnt your lessons.

....We must be guided by the Holy Spirit at all times before we go against the workings of God. God bless us all.

God bless you for this apt submission.

Cheers

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:48am On Sep 11
solomonbrown64:
....... I followed Charlie's thread on the supernatural which was something similar to this and while I was scared to pieces concerning his travails and what he passed through since childhood because of the gift God gave him, I still learnt a lot from what he had to share. I realized for the first time that there's really nothing like "free will" like we are meant to believe by free thinkers and their lots but rather a choice between two allegiance; that choice is non-negotiable. A man must pick a side. I also learnt about how much powerful the supernatural is above the physical and I have been drawn ever since to the superior plane and I have spent a great deal of time over the years to learn about this side, majorly through the testimonies of those who once served darkness.

..... I listened to Emmanuel Omobajesu's tapes, read Rebecca Brown's books (although I don't approve of her dwelling on the dark only but everyone has their style of writing), Derek Prince, John Echardt and channels on YouTube. These Preachers and former Satanists helped expose the wiles and manipulations of Satan and how we can overcome them; the importance of warfare. Many Christians don't know this and keep struggling with so many things that would have been history if they knew the forces behind these things. According to the late Hagin, a lot of Christians are still Babies and have failed to move up the ladder of growth to maturity. These Christians will struggle with a lot of things and when a teacher tries to explain things to them, instead of listening, these "limited" Christians will argue on the basis of nothing other than pride.

.... I see people like the OP as teachers and areas we do not know, they teach us. But the problem here has always been pride, right from Charlie's thread which is almost non - existent now to this budding thread that has now been killed. Silly arguements nearly killed the first one from the start and it certainly killed this one. Yes, both persons who opened the thread have different gifts; one is a seer/prophet, the other has discernment of spirits but all under the deliverance ministry. It's under this ministry that demons and their works are usually exposed. Preachers like Oyedepo, Copeland will say little on demons because that's not what they were called to preach. Jesus takes a lot of people into the supernatural so that they can see for themselves how the devil and his demons operate for what purpose other than for Christians to guard themselves properly. Jesus loves bringing Satanists out of darkness to expose the workings of Satan. He does this most times by himself and not through Evangelism because he wants these things exposed.

..... Everyone has an opinion which is true but as usual, especially on this forum, it's always nonsense. It's wise to keep quiet and watch rather than claim what you don't know based on knowledge of the letter without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. A lot which has been seen on this thread and many others on this section. Everyone wants to be heard and even when ignored, some persons will still carry on until they are heard. What is that?

...For the first time, I know the repercussions of cultism from the spiritual aspect. I watched a video yesterday about the best universities in the world and their strong affiliation with the dark world where a lot of initiations take place under the guise of fellowships, sororities and co. In our regions, they are cults. The video tallies with what the OP posted here and this revelation was given to the poster in that video by God. A lot of souls are being lost because of ignorance especially to the spiritual aspects of these harmless cults but instead of fellow Christians to learn, they will instead decide to fight and argue of nothing they know based on their limited understanding of the scriptures and experience in the supernatural. It's a shame that another thread based on the supernatural for the advantage of God's people have been killed again by no other than Christians themselves.

.... I will urge the OP to go through Charles thread and watch how similar arguements killed that online ministry. He should learn and know how to pick his "online friends." He must always be guided by the Holy Spirit and not lean on his understanding especially for someone who said he wasn't used to social media. People here on Nairaland have an overrated opinion of themselves online and will do anything to be heard at all costs even to the detriment of disciples they claim they head over. Whenever you decide to come back again OP, be guided by your utterances even when provoked because I see that such remarks can be likened to when an adult is speaking, and a child keeps cutting in and arguing on what he barely knows. It's what I see from your replies but you know it's the social media and everyone has a voice.

.... I know you come here once in a while to read things but don't give up on the ministry God has called you into based on the fierce attacks here especially from fellow Christians. Be strong and rise up again and remember not every one likes it when the shine and focus is taken off them. God was using you in a peculiar way, different from the norms here and some people didn't like it. You have had experiences and revelations that others here crave and desire but God singled a former cultist out for the job to the Glory of his name. Not all are happy about that, don't be fooled by their comments as they are now showing their true colours. But I am sure you have learnt your lessons.

....We must be guided by the Holy Spirit at all times before we go against the workings of God. God bless us all.
It is very interesting that, there is the spirit, who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. For those and/or anybody with itching ears, God for their benefit, has put a lying spirit in the mouth of jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod and if he, jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod, doesnt repent, he'll be treacherously dealt with

solomonbrown64, hi, please would you oblige giving a list of 10 things you learned from this "Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ" thread opened by jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod and 10 things jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod gave as advices to guard against each one of the 10 things you listed as learned from jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod. Thank you in advance.

You mentioned you have cults in your region, but tell, are their cults in Christendom or not. Or you are not aware of any hing of the such in churches? Do we have religious/christian cults existing within the Christian world or not?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 4:33pm On Sep 11
CodeTemplar:
When you guys were arguing and posting long repetitive stuff, I knew what you were up to then.
Why not start a new thread for all these derailing talks and let folks who have things to say about spiritual angle to cultism post here? why?
The sky is wide enough to accommodate all the stars at once, so ignore my posts. Shine your shine
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 4:50pm On Sep 11
solomonbrown64:
....... I followed Charlie's thread on the supernatural which was something similar to this and while I was scared to pieces concerning his travails and what he passed through since childhood because of the gift God gave him, I still learnt a lot from what he had to share. I realized for the first time that there's really nothing like "free will" like we are meant to believe by free thinkers and their lots but rather a choice between two allegiance; that choice is non-negotiable. A man must pick a side. I also learnt about how much powerful the supernatural is above the physical and I have been drawn ever since to the superior plane and I have spent a great deal of time over the years to learn about this side, majorly through the testimonies of those who once served darkness .

..... I listened to Emmanuel Omobajesu's tapes, read Rebecca Brown's books (although I don't approve of her dwelling on the dark only but everyone has their style of writing), Derek Prince, John Echardt and channels on YouTube. These Preachers and former Satanists helped expose the wiles and manipulations of Satan and how we can overcome them; the importance of warfare. Many Christians don't know this and keep struggling with so many things that would have been history if they knew the forces behind these things. According to the late Hagin, a lot of Christians are still Babies and have failed to move up the ladder of growth to maturity. These Christians will struggle with a lot of things and when a teacher tries to explain things to them, instead of listening, these "limited" Christians will argue on the basis of nothing other than pride.

.... I see people like the OP as teachers and areas we do not know, they teach us. But the problem here has always been pride, right from Charlie's thread which is almost non - existent now to this budding thread that has now been killed. Silly arguements nearly killed the first one from the start and it certainly killed this one. Yes, both persons who opened the thread have different gifts; one is a seer/prophet, the other has discernment of spirits but all under the deliverance ministry. It's under this ministry that demons and their works are usually exposed. Preachers like Oyedepo, Copeland will say little on demons because that's not what they were called to preach. Jesus takes a lot of people into the supernatural so that they can see for themselves how the devil and his demons operate for what purpose other than for Christians to guard themselves properly. Jesus loves bringing Satanists out of darkness to expose the workings of Satan. He does this most times by himself and not through Evangelism because he wants these things exposed.

..... Everyone has an opinion which is true but as usual, especially on this forum, it's always nonsense. It's wise to keep quiet and watch rather than claim what you don't know based on knowledge of the letter without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. A lot which has been seen on this thread and many others on this section. Everyone wants to be heard and even when ignored, some persons will still carry on until they are heard. What is that?

...For the first time, I know the repercussions of cultism from the spiritual aspect. I watched a video yesterday about the best universities in the world and their strong affiliation with the dark world where a lot of initiations take place under the guise of fellowships, sororities and co. In our regions, they are cults. The video tallies with what the OP posted here and this revelation was given to the poster in that video by God. A lot of souls are being lost because of ignorance especially to the spiritual aspects of these harmless cults but instead of fellow Christians to learn, they will instead decide to fight and argue of nothing they know based on their limited understanding of the scriptures and experience in the supernatural. It's a shame that another thread based on the supernatural for the advantage of God's people have been killed again by no other than Christians themselves.

.... I will urge the OP to go through Charles thread and watch how similar arguements killed that online ministry. He should learn and know how to pick his "online friends." He must always be guided by the Holy Spirit and not lean on his understanding especially for someone who said he wasn't used to social media. People here on Nairaland have an overrated opinion of themselves online and will do anything to be heard at all costs even to the detriment of disciples they claim they head over. Whenever you decide to come back again OP, be guided by your utterances even when provoked because I see that such remarks can be likened to when an adult is speaking, and a child keeps cutting in and arguing on what he barely knows. It's what I see from your replies but you know it's the social media and everyone has a voice.

.... I know you come here once in a while to read things but don't give up on the ministry God has called you into based on the fierce attacks here especially from fellow Christians. Be strong and rise up again and remember not every one likes it when the shine and focus is taken off them. God was using you in a peculiar way, different from the norms here and some people didn't like it. You have had experiences and revelations that others here crave and desire but God singled a former cultist out for the job to the Glory of his name. Not all are happy about that, don't be fooled by their comments as they are now showing their true colours. But I am sure you have learnt your lessons.

....We must be guided by the Holy Spirit at all times before we go against the workings of God. God bless us all.
All this long post, no one single scripture to back yourself up as you cast us off.

If you had indeed been on CharlieG's thread, you'll agree that he always taught people how to come out of what they got themselves entangled in.

Pls can you post anywhere this Op posted solutions to the youths who find themselves in cultism? Wasn't that why we rushed in here in the first place?

All the authors you mentioned will always give you away out of darkness. We came here to see how one can leave cultism. Most of us have Brothers, nephews and children in the University, so if someone comes up to say, I was there but now I'm out', shouldn't he tell us how to guide our wards the way he did?'

Will telling us everything that happens in the Kingdom darknes help our kids escape cultism?

It's obvious you want to hear about satan, but don't claim you know more than anyone esle here, because, you won't have any grounds to support the OP scripturally.

When you are done with your Lip, you can use scriptures to tell me I am wrong in telling the Op not to dwell too much on satan but on Christ.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 4:53pm On Sep 11
OkCornel:


Apart from invalidating your claims that Stephen Dollins never taught about demons, witches, wizards, warlocks e.t.c. in his video...
It is completely acceptable to be lecturing believers on satanic symbols, images, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c as long as it is Stephen Dollins hmmm??
That reminds me, was it not because of "the deep things of Satan" you were castigating the OP in the first place?
What was Stephen Dollins doing by teaching or rather exposing Satanic signs, symbols, images e.t.c. to ignorant believers? hmmm?? He was teaching them about the deep things of God abi?




When you are done running f around circles, you can mention the names of the demons Stephen mentioned.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 5:06pm On Sep 11
OkCornel:


Needless emotional outbursts.

You outrightly lied the ex-satanist Stephen Dollins never called names of Demons and their operations in his video. You were busted for that lie.

Now take a look at these two screenshots below and see you contradicting yourself.

Screenshot 1: You encouraging the OP to expose Satan and his works

Screenshot 2: Same you saying something opposite, and on top of that...lying on Stephen Dollins.

Why the lies Anas09? Why?
You are a child.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by OkCornel(m): 5:25pm On Sep 11
Ladies and gentlemen following this thread, please watch the video on Stephen Dollins and tell me what he has done differently from what EnthronedbyGod did here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU

In that video, Christians were given thorough lectures on satanic symbols, signs, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c. satanism was exposed in full glare there. I am really baffled Anas09 didn't castigate Dollins for exposing the secrets and "deep things of Satan" but still castigated EnthronedbyGod for exposing the secrets of Satan after initially encouraging him to do so, using the same Stephen Dollins as her case study.

Notice how the goalpost is shifting from "deep things of satan" to how many demons did Stephen Dollins mention...


DOUBLE STANDARDS

Stephen Dollins is teaching people "the deep things of God" but EnthronedbyGod is teaching people "the deep things of Satan" cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 8:17pm On Sep 11
OkCornel:
Ladies and gentlemen following this thread, please watch the video on Stephen Dollins and tell me what he has done differently from what EnthronedbyGod did here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAe19Jn0UU

In that video, Christians were given thorough lectures on satanic symbols, signs, tarot cards, ouija boards e.t.c. satanism was exposed in full glare there. I am really baffled Anas09 didn't castigate Dollins for exposing the secrets and "deep things of Satan" but still castigated EnthronedbyGod for exposing the secrets of Satan after initially encouraging him to do so, using the same Stephen Dollins as her case study.

Notice how the goalpost is shifting from "deep things of satan" to how many demons did Stephen Dollins mention...


DOUBLE STANDARDS

Stephen Dollins is teaching people "the deep things of God" but EnthronedbyGod is teaching people "the deep things of Satan" cheesy cheesy cheesy
Why Haven't you mentioned the names of demons, their locations, and ranks in Satan's kingdom that Stephen Dollin taught?

Why is that too hard for you?

By all means even in dishonesty you must win an argument yeah?

Okay OKcornel you win. EnthronedbyGod was right to teach about satanism. Satanism is the way to salvation. Many have come to the Light of the Gospel by learning who satan is, what he does, what demons do and all.


OKcornel you win. You are right, Jesusjnr is right.
Go ahead your gospel of demons.
Now clap for your dishonest self.
***Ignoremodeactivated***

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