tuniski:
Anyhow or anyway it ends it is within the law and democracy why are you worried? Ain't you suppose to be happy cos your narrative favours your apc/buhari?

Abegi allow the petitioners and their legal team do their thing. Like I said sometime ago, had it been you are an authority on this petition, they would have consulted you @garfield1

Afospecialk:
Atiku is already bygone


Nothing can bring him back

garfield1:

Perhaps they are consulting me.no one knows all afterall

muykem:
Even if Atiku call 1m witnesses his case is dead on arrival.

tuniski:


It is not only about winning but most importantly about our electoral processes and jurisprudence. Whichever way Atiku is a winner in the eyes of democrats and democracy.

AreaFada2:
It's quite sickening that we still cannot conduct a free and fair election or a headcount/census that is credible and acceptable to all.

If we cannot do it well, let's seek help from relatively young countries that have mastered the art. Such as New Zealand, Canada or Australia. They are also Commonwealth countries but with the colonial baggage of UK.

With time the culture of free elections will establish itself.

garfield1:

A loser you mean

AreaFada2:
It's quite sickening that we still cannot conduct a free and fair election or a headcount/census that is credible and acceptable to all.

If we cannot do it well, let's seek help from relatively young countries that have mastered the art. Such as New Zealand, Canada or Australia. They are also Commonwealth countries but with the colonial baggage of UK.

With time the culture of free elections will establish itself.

tuniski:


It is an error to compare nigeria's challenges with small countries with less diversity. Next time make India,china,Indonesia,USA,Russia,Brasil example.

garfield1:

At some points i harboured such thoughts.for us to have an 80% free and fair polls and census,we need the un or developed countries to conduct it.but ive realized that inec is not the cause but our political actors and system.

AreaFada2:

INEC cannot be exonerated. Sure the political allows the actors to compromise the polity and INEC. They revel in and benefit from the deficit of the system. So no desire to change it.

So how do we surmount this problem than get a robust and truly independent electoral umpire in the short term?

garfield1:

One,let the perks of political office holders be reduced and made unattractive.governors and prezidents and lawmakers should not earn more than a million a monthwith no allowances attached.they shouldnt have more than 5 cars and 10 security guards,they shouldnt be allowed to approve or control more than 100 million unilaterally,a council must always monitor them.with this no one will bother contesting,only those with selfless intent will contest.
Pressure on inec to compromise will reduce.inec should be truly independent and paid heavily.heavy punishment like death sentence should be attached to electoral offend,inec funds should be on first line charge.we should fully embrace electronic voting.

AreaFada2:
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I have always aspired to be like the best. Why expect less from a country blessed with so much resources all round? So that if one falls short it should still be good enough.
Scientifically it is from simple stuff that solutions to complex stuff are sought. So see how simple countries do it.

Those countries you mentioned have managed their situation better than Nigeria. But the countries mentioned have models that can be studied and applied to Nigeria.

Nigeria copied American democracy which is proving too difficult, too expensive and we have no discipline to run.

By now we should have run out of excuses. A homogeneous UK used their administrative skills to manage a vast empire by adapting to local conditions across colonies.

If not for greed, high handedness and condescending attitude, they wouid have retained most of their colonies including USA lost much earlier.

garfield1:

One,let the perks of political office holders be reduced and made unattractive.governors and prezidents and lawmakers should not earn more than a million a monthwith no allowances attached.they shouldnt have more than 5 cars and 10 security guards,they shouldnt be allowed to approve or control more than 100 million unilaterally,a council must always monitor them.with this no one will bother contesting,only those with selfless intent will contest.
Pressure on inec to compromise will reduce.inec should be truly independent and paid heavily.heavy punishment like death sentence should be attached to electoral offend,inec funds should be on first line charge.we should fully embrace electronic voting.

tuniski:


It is not only about winning but most importantly about our electoral processes and jurisprudence. Whichever way Atiku is a winner in the eyes of democrats and democracy.

tuniski:


Democracy is working and the world over it is the most expensive system of governance.

What we haven't attained is virile citizenship that will challenge and punish any non performing government with majority unison.

AreaFada2:

The world over where democracy actually works, politicians are paid broadly in line with senior civil servants.

For example in UK most school headteachers earn more than a member of Parliament. Those who leave medical practice as consultants to become an MP actually take a pay cut of up to 50% depending on medical specialty.

I know the African mind will ask why would anyone go for a less paid job? Those who give up senior banking, finance and investment jobs for politics can even take over 200% pay cut.

Well, in places where democracy actually works for the people, many people do things for altruistic reasons. Knowing they can make a real positive impact on their constituents.

You cannot run an overbloated democratic system as a POOR country and hope to progress. It only works for the few, not the people. It can be adapted to cost less. Ghana has a unicameral parliament and they are not doing bad.

Nigeria is POOR because over 70% of people are poor. Natural resources are irrelevant if the people live in abject poverty. Living on a dollar per day.

gwarotango:
Is this the new low for you atikulooters? whatever happened to Atiku is coming?

tuniski:


It is not only about winning but most importantly about our electoral processes and jurisprudence. Whichever way Atiku is a winner in the eyes of democrats and democracy.

Afamed:

It's not about winning, then it's about wasting the precious time of the court right. Una no dey give up easily

garfield1:
Atiku's case at the tribunal will likely go the way of pastor ize iyamu guber case against obaseki in 2016,delays and time was wasted until the case died naturally and was rightly struck out.atiku filed his petition between 15 and 22 march which means that the 180 days should end same period in September.over 3 months or over 100 days have been wasted without him making any tangible or reasonable headway.no witnesses have been called and no evidences presented,seems there are still at the pre hearing.

As of Thursday,the court adjourned till Monday 1st July to hear atiku's application challenging the declaration of the court that atiku didnt reply to the apc motion to strips out atiku petition or remove certain paragraphs from his petition.by my calculation,the court will also entertain counter arguments from the defense counsel and then adjoun till the following week to decide on the pdp application.after that,the tribunal will now consider apc application to strike out atiku's petition and adjourn till the third week to decide.
The pdp counsel as of Wednesday asked the tribunal to issue out schedule for witnesses,evidences and the main arguments.this should be out by ending july which will mean 4 months exhausted and two months left.
In the remaining two months,atiku will use 3 weeks to present all his evidences and witnesses.within two weeks,akpabio pressnted 10 witnesses which means that atiku will only have time to present 20 witnesses mostly bordering on the existence of the server.apc will have 2 weeks to defend while the tribunal will use the remaining 3 weeks to adopt final addresses and fix a date to rule.
In the end,atiku will only have time to argue only one ground out of 5 grounds he raised and the case will be dismissed for lack of merit.the supreme case will do same.


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Afamed:

It's not about winning, then it's about wasting the precious time of the court right. Una no dey give up easily

tuniski:

Democracy is not a straight jacketed phenomenon but, an adaptation to a people's peculiarities. The UK or US democracy can't be wholesome fit for Nigeria!

We are a nation of two very different socio-economic cum political orientations. While the conservative north look eastwards, the southern niigeria is essentially pro-west. It therefore means that whatever shade of democracy we practise must reflect these realities.