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|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 5:29am On Jul 16|
Oga, stop arguing what you dont understand. In the theory of evolution, it states that rocks were what gave rise to the unicellular organism from which life began to evolve after the big bang. Go and study the details of the stupid theory before you come here to display your ignorance.
Now, my question to you is this, and if you can't answer it, then it means either you are not intelligent or you are intelligent, but self-deluded;
You said there were several life forms in existence from which man evolved, so WHO CREATED THOSE LIFE FORMS? HOW DID THEY COME ABOUT AND HOW DID THE EARTH OR UNIVERSE IN WHICH THOSE LIFE FORMS EXISTED BEFORE EVOLVING INTO MAN COME ABOUT?
PS: I am eagerly waiting for your answer to this question so I can be enlightened
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 5:36am On Jul 16|
When they tell you carbon dating, how do you know it is accurate? Have you ever independently verified the age of any material that was dated to 10,000 years ago? You can believe carbon-dating that a man wrote about which you have never verified and no human being has ever been able to confirm the accuracy of, but you have problems believing the bible inspired by the Almighty God who created the human beings that came up with the theory of carbon dating? Cant you see how skewed your thinking pattern has become?
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 5:51am On Jul 16|
This guy, you really have nerves o! So you actually based your belief in evolution on this nonsense lecture from crazy Richard Dawkins on how intelligent design is not true because a nerve on a giraffe goes from its head down its neck and back to its head? What if it is you or Richard Dawkins that has not yet discovered why that nerve was created that way in the first instance? JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF A THING/PROCESS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS USELESS! After all, scientists never understood the purpose of petroleum until the late 19th century when somebody discovered that the same petroleum they had always seen sipping out of the ground could be used to power engines to drive cars! Richard Dawkins is not a standard, and just because he and his minions do not understand why a nerve has to loop around a path they don't see why does not mean that nerve cannot serve a purpose they may not have understood at the moment.
Now you watch this and tell me how DNA does not prove intelligent design. I can bet you've never studied DNA as much as explained in this video below.
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by donnie(m): 6:44am On Jul 16|
Thank you jare
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by MiddleDimension: 10:38am On Jul 16|
i have a copy of the Origin of Species here with me writen by Charles Dawin himself and there is no where in the book where he stated that rocks gave life to the simple life forms we see around. what he talked about in his book was basically that life evolved by the process of natural selection. the big-bang theory only came in later on in 1927 and Darwin died in the 19th century. this means he couldn't have proposed that life came from the big-bang.
the whole attempt to link the formation of life to the big-bang is to go beyond the theory of evolution of species from one specie to the other and answer how life came from non-living things to living things. at the moment, there are no conclusive evidence to that effect. they are still mainly speculation. until we find conclusive evidence to support the various theories to explain the Evolution of life from non-living things to living things, let us just say that we do not know. that's the best answer to how the life could evolve from non-living to living things.
yes, there are various theories to explain Abiogenesis, that is the evolution of life from non-living to living things. you can read up on them in the internet.
but that there is no evidence yet for abiogenesis does not embarrass the truth of Evolution by natural selection. the reason for this is because abiogenesis is a different question from biogenesis, that is the evolution of life from other lives. this is what Darwin, Wallace, Richard Dawkins et al have been able to work out. the evidence for Evolution by natural selection is overwhelmingly corroborated.
as for your later questions, i have already told you that life begat life through natural selection. picies to amphibians to reptiles to birds and then to mammals and then primates. and there is evidence for this. abiogenesis is What's not clear yet. the big-bang, i must admit, i have not studied indept. but this does not mean that the established facts of Evolution by means of natural selection is false. it is more like saying because you don't know who gave birth to your 10,000th grandpa, or wether he is black or white, or fulani or ibibio etc means that you are not the son of your father. ridiculous, right? the simple answer is that we just don't know. if anyone wants to find out if you are the son of your father, he can start by going to ask your mother, or ask those who are older than you or do a DNA test!
but lets come to your creation story in the Bible. there are two stories there of which you can choose the one we should use in this discussion.
according to. chapter 1, god made the heavens and theeath created plants and it says AND IT WAS SO. this means it came to being like a magician would utter some words and then it came to be. he also.created man and woman on the same day when he said let us make man in our image; and so male and female he made he them on the 7th day.
go down to chapter 2: you will find that they said the plants had not come up at the time man was made. is this not a contradiction compared to chapter 1 when man was created last and when plants were created, it says IT WAS SO.
so how can the two be possible at the same time.
anyway, let me stop here
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 12:19pm On Jul 16|
1) I refer to Charles Darwin's book and big bang theory as THEORY OF EVOLUTION because they both seem to complement each other in pushing the same narrative that There is no Almighty God who created the universe. I don't try to separate them, cos doing so is like separating a black cow from a brown cow. They are both cows, have the same behaviours and serve the same purposes, so it's no use separating them.
2) You still have not answered my major question, which is WHAT CREATED THE 'FIRST LIFE' THAT MAN EVOLVED FROM ACCORDING TO THE THEORY OF NATURAL SELECTION & CO. THAT YOU SUBSCRIBE TO? You obviously have no answer to that, BUT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOD AND CANNOT BE GOD! Can't you see how much of a brilliant scientist you are? You are trying to conduct an experiment to understand what you don't know, but you have already concluded that the answer cannot be a certain answer. Why then are you conducting the experiment or why then do you deceive yourself to call yourself a scientist if you cannot accept probabilities that do not conform to what your initial assumptions are?
3) Evolution does not have ESTABLISHED FACTS! That is why it is called THEORY of evolution. I want to believe you did some science in secondary school at least, and if you remember what your science teacher taught you, you should have understood that in science, there are Assumptions/Observations, theories, and there are PRINCIPLES. Theories are a concatenation of a person's assumptions or observations that have been put together into some kind of logical pattern. They have not been tested in the laboratory to be proven. In science, before a theory moves from THEORY to PRINCIPLE, it must be put to some laboratory testing to be proven. If it cannot be proven by laboratory testing, then it remains a THEORY. And need i remind you that Theories cannot be relied upon with certainty, but PRINCIPLES can? So please don't refer to evolution theory as ".....the established facts of Evolution...." because it remains a theory and not an established principle.
4) You can say that you( @MiddleDimension ) does not know the origin of life, but don't say WE DON'T KNOW. I know the origin of life, and it is God. The fact that i am engaging you is not because i think you know the answer and i want to find out from you, but because i know the answer and i like talking about it. You cannot convince a person like me who has experienced the power of Jesus that there is no God. It is not possible. Do you know why? I have see blind eyes open by the name of Jesus. I personally know 2 people who had died and came back to life by power in the name of Jesus and i have heard of other similar cases of people i don't know personally. I have seen adult people that were born deaf and dumb begin to hear and speak instantly after being prayed for in the name of Jesus. I have seen people with terminal cancer healed by power in the name of Jesus. I have seen how the Holy Spirit lives in me and gives me the grace to live above sin that most young people cannot resist falling into(Something that nobody can achieve by their own power). I have seen all these things with my eyes (not that i was told), so how do you want to convince me that Jesus is not real?
5) I'm still at a loss as to understanding how you see any contradiction in Genesis 1 & 2. However, for the avoidance of doubts, let me explain it in simple terms; God is a Spirit and man too is a spirit that lives in a body and has a soul(mind, will, intellect, emotion). God created man first as a spirit before he moulded dust/clay from the soil and breathed the spirit of man He created into that mould, and that mould became a LIVING SOUL. This is why every genuine christian understands the basic fact that the real man is not this body we see. This physical body we see will die someday and decay, but the real man(which is a spirit) never dies. It simply exits the body and either returns to God in heaven or goes to hell in judgement.
So, God created man and created the plants before he watered the garden and made the created plants grow. You can observe the same principle of plant creation today when you look at what farmers do. They first have their seed that they plant on plain ground. If you came to the farm like 15minutes after a farmer has finished planting, you may assume it's just an ordinary ground and there is nothing there, but in reality, there's yam, maize, cassava, beans, rice, etc. there......you just can't see them yet. Then water that farm and give it a few days, and you begin to see the trees or crops sprouting and growing. That you saw the crops sprouting on the 3rd day after watering the farm does not mean the crops only came into existence on the third day. They had been there all along, but you just didn't see them. This is how God created the plants first and then watered the earth for the created plants to then grow. SO MY FRIEND, THERE IS NOTHING CONFUSING ABOUT GENESIS 1 & 2
Here is a little 3-minute gift to you to enlighten you in case you want to ask WHERE DID GOD COME FROM.
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:36pm On Jul 16|
If you have a god that completely overlooks or spares nations filled real zombies, cannibals, rapists, murderers, that god is definitely evil and false god.
It is absolutely justified for an all-knowing & true GOD to wipe out such nations.
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by MiddleDimension: 7:50am On Jul 17|
mean whlie, this is a great watch.
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 7:04am On Jul 19|
Bros, I was reading the bible this morning and I saw this and remembered the conversation we were having here some days ago. So I thought to also show you cos even me myself, I'm not sure I had noted this part of the bible before now;
Genesis 5:3-4 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
So Adam had actually lived 130years old before he and Eve gave birth to Seth who happens to be one of only 3 of the direct children of Adam & Eve mentioned by name in the bible. And of course, Cain and Abel were already born before Seth. And verse 5 mentions that Adam also "begat" sons and DAUGHTERS.
So we don't know how many children in total that Adam and Eve had, but we can be sure that A man and woman who were 130years old and giving birth to their 3rd recorded son at that age must have given birth to many other children before that age......especially given the fact that there was no family planning available at that time
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by paxonel(m): 10:52am On Jul 19|
I saw it too that very day we were discussing about, it never occurred to me that Adam and Eve had other children before Cain and Abel.
But again, there are possibilities that God must have created other races of humans at the same time God created Adam and Eve.
Infact, there are also indicators in the bible which point to existence of evolution.
Psalm 90:4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
This could possibly mean that the 130 years life span of Adam before he started having children could mean several millions of 130 days in Gods sight which could be enough period for evolution to occur as it is in the case of other human race including other creatures in various locations of the earth
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 12:18pm On Jul 19|
I've heard some stuff about pre-Adamic creation before, but I really can't state them as facts, because such details were not clearly recorded in the bible, and I've learnt as a Christian to not swallow anything hook, line and sinker that is not clearly written in the bible.
One thing i know for sure is that The earth is much older than 7,000 years. I hear a lot of christians make the assumption that God created the earth 7,000 years ago simply because they have tried to calculate based on how old Adam lived and his descendants' ages up to Abraham and to Joseph & Mary, and then add 2000 years from Jesus' time to then arrive at 7000years. But one thing is clear from the bible, which is the fact that God did not tell us the time difference between Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 AND Genesis chapter 1 verse 3.
In Genesis 1:1, it said that IN THE BEGINNING, GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH
In Genesis 1:2 It says the earth was void and without order and water covered everywhere. Then in verse 3, God begins introducing order to the earth and recreating everything to look good.
Now, one of the things i've heard from bible scholars (And please don't take this as a fact, cos even me myself, I cannot explicitly tell you if it's true or not as it wasn't detailed in the bible) is that there may probably be thousands or millions or even billions of years in-between Genesis 1:1 (The beginning of time when God created the earth) and Genesis 1:2 (When the earth became void and in disorder and God had to start introducing order before making Adam & Eve). And if you look at it closely, you may see that they could have a point there, because it doesn't mention when God created water. As at Genesis 1:3 when God started introducing order, water had already been created because verse 2 says water covered the face of the earth.
One other thing i've heard from them is that there seems to have been a pre-Adamic creation that lived on the earth that God destroyed for their wickedness before He recreated the earth, and they say that is the origin of demons (not to be confused with fallen angels like Lucifer). Now, like I said before, I don't have my own biblical facts to back up such claims, so I can't tell you for sure that they are true or false, but what i can guarantee you is the fact that the bible did not say the earth is about 7,000years old because we were not told how long the earth had been in existence after Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 1:3 when God began recreating the earth. And thankfully, that information doesn't affect our salvation nor does it change the fact that we know Jesus has come to redeem sinful man ad reconcile us back to God
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by paxonel(m): 5:17pm On Jul 19|
nelsonoba:ofcourse the bible do not contain all valid knowledge, it is not a jack of all field of study.
time frame were not mentioned in all these, certainly the duration of these occurence were much much longer than how we see them in the bible.
I believe that God must have used simple terms which were simple enough for Moses(being a primitive man then) to understand, so Moses documented the account creation based on his primitive understanding. But in reality creation was much more complex than that.
though it may not be stated in the bible due to the limited level of knowledge of people at the time bible was documented, these are facts, the bible scholars have points in assuming these.
Remember, there times on these earth most Christians and everyone used to believe that the earth was flat and not spherical in shape.
Because there was no indication in scriptures to show that the earth was actually spherical in shape.
The was a thread on NL about Religion vs Science i tried to do a calculation of the actual length of the period between Adam era to 2019 that we are.
I based the calculation based on this scripture.
2 Peter 3:8 one day is like a thousand years before God
But guess what?
There was no calculator that could contain the several billions of years.
Answers of calculators or machines were saying OUT OF RANGE! OUT OF RANGE!
that tells me this world must have existed and God must have created Adam and Eve only God knows when.
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by 1Sharon(f): 8:12pm On Jul 19|
This comment is just so stupid, I don't know where to start
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 9:16pm On Jul 19|
You do have a point though. One thing I know like you said, is the fact that God could not have given all the details of creation and history of the earth to Moses....at least due to the limitation of man. Imagine God had decided to start telling Moses everything, what size of books could have been large enough to contain everything, and how many people would have been able to read everything today?
This is John 21: 25 "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."
So if the bible says that everything Jesus did on earth could not be recorded because they were too much to fit into a book, then imagine if God had decided to get Moses to record everything about creation. So, some things may remain a mystery until we get to heaven and see God to ask Him questions on our minds about these things
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba: 9:21pm On Jul 19|
Please 1Sharon don't even start.....cos you can't see sense in the gospel of Christ as long as the god of this world has blinded your eyes to the deceitfulness and destructive power of sin. It's a tough task explaining colours to a blind person, so I don't have your power this evening
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by paxonel(m): 1:46am On Jul 20|
|Re: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by Smartini: 1:51am On Jul 20|
Let us assume for a moment. God is a God of variety. He created different varieties of fruits, animals, good etc. ... But the Bible clearly stated he created the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, and told them to multiply. From them, the earth would be populated. The complexions of Adam and Eve weren't stated, but for the reason that God is a God of variety, I'd like to believe one of Adam and Eve had a lighter shade of skin and the other had a darker shade.
Also, when you combine other factors such as food, water, climate/weather ... All of these over an extended period of time tend to influence our skin complexions. The hot weather in Sub Saharan Africa over centuries have made our skin adaptable to the weather, thus giving us a darker shade of skin. However, in European climes were the weather is usually cooler and snowy, their skin has adapted to it, thus giving them a whiter shade of skin ... Its all about body adaptations over an extended period of time. This adaptations also alters our genes, so our children exhibit similar characteristics.
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