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Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 8:26pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
missjo:Evil came into the world through Adam for He was the one who disobeyed God by eating from the tree of "good and evil" in the beginning. As a result, his seeds were tainted by his sin, and remain that way to this day. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by RuggedSniper: 8:51pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
sonmvayina:@Sonmvayina, thanks for the feedback, and I had to respond to your VERY BRILLIANT post because you were spot on when you mentioned Ezra! I will post more info on the SUN GODS and how the Jesus of the bible is a personification of the SUN... OR SUN OF GOD, here within 4 days when I get better health-wise. People NEED TO READ MORE and break away from religious indigestion. Ifedayo Olarinde (aka Daddy Freeze) and Reno Omokri are trying to do this online via YouTube... But there are still some loopholes in their teachings without the reference to the Zoroastrians Ezra and Cyrus' roles in creating the foundation of the Persian colonial religion Judaism. All the best! 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by MuttleyLaff: 8:55pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
sonmvayina:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] What exactly has your Jero been teaching? What is your point and the contradictions you've tried advancing to put out, hmm? 1 Like |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by MuttleyLaff: 9:04pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
RuggedSniper:Ifedayo Olarinde (aka Daddy Freeze) and Reno Omokri are JJC latelies. Check Nairaland Religion forum timeline to see how, well before Ifedayo Olarinde (aka Daddy Freeze) and Reno Omokirikiri, others had gone loggerheads at the penterascal hierarchy for their excesses, bad indoctrinations, filthy lucre sense of entitlement, obtaining pecuniary advantage by deceptions, immoralities of every scale and levels, insensitivities et cetera 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 9:31pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
RuggedSniper:The men you refer to did not CREATE the foundation of Judaism. They simply facilitated the continuance of what already existed. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by missjo(f): 9:59pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Sin, not evil, came into the world through Adam, and yes his seeds were tainted. Evil is the outward expression of sin without remorse & contriteness. The same sin-tainted nature in Cain was also in Abel, yet only Cain was evil in the sight of God. Same explanation with the sons of Noah, all tainted by the sin of their forefather Adam, but only Ham is the evil son. 3 Likes |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 10:01pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
missjo:Was Adam's disobedience not an outward expression of Evil, which I take to mean that which is contrary to the will of God ? |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by missjo(f): 10:02pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:I figured you would ask this, so I edited my comment to include something before you quoted it. Check please |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 10:04pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
missjo: Also, i don't believe Ham was evil. Sure he saw his father's unclothedness and spoke of it, but what he did was not evil at all, at least not in the sight of God since God did not scold him for it, only noah did, for obvious reasons. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by missjo(f): 10:10pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Seeing his father naked and not covering him up was sinful, inviting his brothers to see it also was the evil. The curse Noah placed on him was validated by God, so it's safe to believe God supported Noah in both scolding and cursing. Some theologians hold the belief that Ham may have had sexual relations with his father in that state, but I'm not of that school of thought. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 10:21pm On Jul 05, 2020 |
missjo:How was it evil? Not too long before this man and woman had been created with all their naked glory hanging free and swinging in the wind. God declared His handiwork GOOD. Man and woman lived without shame or care for as long as they did before man sinned. After man sinned, shame showed up, a result the knowledge, likely of evil, that man had acquired( shame has nothing to do with good). Now, God, out of pity, made cloths for man to cover man's shame of that which God declared good. Fast forward in time to the fateful incedent with Noah getting drunk and naked. It was not Ham's fault that Noah lost the covering He used to "hide" his shame. Ham found his old man naked and called his brothers. Sure they covered Noah up believing that what they beheld was worth concealing instead. But Noah was wrong in attempting to curse his grandson, Canaan because he didn't do nothing wrong, nor did Ham, as far as good and evil is really concerned and at that time too. He could have maybe scolded him but not curse him. Fortunately, it seems the "curse" had no real effect anyways. missjo:Validated? |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by RuggedSniper: 12:41am On Jul 06, 2020 |
RuggedSniper: |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by RuggedSniper: 12:59am On Jul 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:I've RESPONDED to you at the top of this post. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by sonmvayina(m): 10:06am On Jul 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Lol... You are still a baby, he uncovered his father's unclothedness means he had sex with his father's wife.... You still have much to learn Just be humble, I am willing to teach you. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 2:13pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:What the heck? ROFLMAO 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by sonmvayina(m): 2:18pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Have you heard the word "euphemism" before? |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 2:22pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:ROFLMAO 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by budaatum: 2:37pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
RuggedSniper:It's like calling Game of Thrones history. But I put it to you that none of what you list above would have been known without the Bible and all the work that has been done to prove or disprove it. Or are we not more knowledgeable because of the Bible? 1 Like |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by budaatum: 2:42pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:You be humble! Then will we learn to be humble from you. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by missjo(f): 4:23pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Are we talking about the same descendants of Canaan whom the Israelites, descendants of Shem destroyed, enslaved, and took over their lands? |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 4:29pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
missjo:According to the curse, they were meant to be enslaved, not destroyed. The curse can not then be claimed as reason for Canaan's destruction. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by sonmvayina(m): 4:47pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
budaatum: I am still learning ,we all learn every day...want i learnt in ss3 should be a piece of cake for me now..dont you think so? |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by missjo(f): 4:55pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Lol, enslaved, destroyed. I deliberately typed both Not all of Canaan was completely destroyed. For example, the Philistine country remained ensalved while the inhabitants of Jericho were completely destroyed, with the exception of Rahaab and her family. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 5:10pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
missjo:The philistine country did not remain enslaved for longer than a minute though. So, still can't be the curse. The reason for Canaans destruction seems to have more to do with their immoral ways than it does any curse. After all loo k at the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, a civilization that met similar fate as Canaan. I don't believe it is even possible for humans to curse that which they cannot create and. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by missjo(f): 5:25pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:I used Philistine as one example and they were enslaved for quite a while actually, then they revolted, then became enslaved again, and so on and so forth through Israel's history. Apart from Philistine, Jerusalem was also a part of Canaan and was inhabited by the Jebusites who were not destroyed but only enslaved by Israelites. Canaan's destruction and enslavement as the case may be, was not just because of their immoral ways but because of the curse that was on them and for the prophesy of Noah to be fulfilled. The Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites were also immoral and evil people in the sight of God, but their lands and people were never meant to be destroyed or enslaved by Israel even though these nations surrounded Canaan 1 Like |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by Kobojunkie: 5:30pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
missjo:Given the similarities between the listed peoples, how can you then say that Canaan's tragedy was definitely a result of a curse? |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by missjo(f): 9:10pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Edomites, descendants of Esau. Moabites and Ammonites, descendants of Lot. Israelites, descendants of Jacob. All the above have a common ancestry starting from Terah who himself was a direct descendant of Shem, Noah's son. The Canaanites (Palestinians) on the other hand all share a common ancestry as direct descendants of Canaan, son of Ham who saw his father Noah's unclothedness. As an addendum, the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks Romans, etc are said to be descendants of Japheth who also share in the blessing with Shem to rule over the descendants of Ham, more specifically, Canaan (the curse). 2 Likes |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by budaatum: 10:28pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Not every one was learning in ss3 with you. Some had teachers who made cake seem like poison so please have compassion for us, for we know not what we know not. Grace, is the reason the teacher should be humble sonmvayina. If it were not for grace, you would be ignorant like us, I think. And humble teachers teach better. |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by sonmvayina(m): 10:35pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
budaatum: You don't really know how to communicate.. Or your just deliberately feigning ignorance |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by budaatum: 10:54pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Yet, we have communicated despite "deliberately feigning ignorance". |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by sonmvayina(m): 10:57pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
budaatum: I don't seem to make heads or tails of your post... You are neither here nor there.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Response To The Allegory In The Garden Of Eden's Account Of The Fall by budaatum: 11:01pm On Jul 06, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Seek, it is written, and you will find. So those who wish to know question, while those who already know usually don't bother to be responsible. 1 Like 1 Share |
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