Its very alarming how carnality has made desolate the new testament doctrine as intended by Christ and preached by the early apostles. If any christain reads his/her bible regularly, it wont take much to realize that what is being preached now in churches are NOT the doctrines as presented by the early apostles. Please lets understand some foundations first. it’s important to note that the old testament was written to the physical Israelites NOT YOU OR ME . This is hard for some to swallow because they say we are all Israelites. Yes, but is God telling you to go and physically kill your enemies now? is he asking you to go and attack your enemies and acquire all their land and households? we cannot just pick and drop any scripture. we cannot just appropriate scriptures that are not written to us and claim it for yourself personally. Why will you claim when God is saying He will bless the Israelites but wont claim when God is cursing or telling the Israelites to go and physically kill their enemies. That is double standards . If you ever find yourself picking and choosing which particular scripture you can use and the one you cannot use then understand that you are in deception and are not diving the word of truth appropriately. ALL SCRIPTURE not some SCRIPTURE.

So now we find preachers who steadily preach about the old testament. you can be in service and ALL the scriptures preached are all from the old testament . Understand that the stories in the old testament are for our examples to learn. its also a form of historical events that occurred with dates and facts. Its not for us to re enact or dwell because it was an era with different types of rules. Then the people were under the law. they kept the servants, they KILLED the Lords enemies. Can you imagine that in those days for you to say you love God then you MUST be a killer . I mean actual killer . Is God asking you to kill anyone now? wont it be sin to do that now? can you kill and say God sent you? NO. we cant relive the old testament. Then the Spirit of God was on the few elect. the prophets, Kings, Priests. The Spirit was not in everybody. The people had to look up to prophets and priests to perform the daily sacrifices. They had to wait on the priest to sacrifice the lamb and appeal to God for forgiveness of sins. Heb 1 vs 1-2 explains that God during the old covenant spoke to the people through the prophets has in this day spoken to us through Jesus.

In the old testament there were two inheritances. The physical inheritance and the spiritual inherittance. God promised the children of Israel physical lands of the Canaanites. So the Israelites engaged in wars to physically claim their inheritance but in the new testament our inheritance is spiritual. We do not have ANY physical inheritance. Did God ask us in the new testament to go and possess land? Instead the early church were selling theirs for the Kingdom. Please note they were not selling and giving the apostles but it was for ALL the believers not the apostles. Romans 8 talks about pleasing God. Its says to be carnally minded is death. It says they that are after the FLESH do MIND the things of the flesh. The question is, what is carnal mindedness? Paul explained when he was talking to the Corinthians about believers giving to those who preach the gospel. He said if they can benefit from them spiritually, why cant they also benefit CARNALLY. So we see that carnal things are worldly things. Worldly possessions. So what do we think Romans 8 is saying.

All through the new testament we see it. Jesus said a man life does not constist in the ABUNDANCE OF THE THINGS HE POSSESSTH. Jesus said “labour NOT for meat that perisheth but for meat that endureth unto eternal life”. We are now spiritual beings living in our earthly bodies. But now what we have is the opposite. ”TO BE CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH….FOR THE CARNAL MIND IS ENEMITY AGAINST GOD”. Do you really think Jesus Christ came to die on earth to make you rich? So they were no rich people before Jesus Christ came to die? So the preachers only bring scriptures from the old testament forgetting that the old testament believers had a physical inheritance with a physical temple and a physical place to meet with God , so they claim all these promises that were promised to the Israelites WHICH YOU ARE NOT. You are a spiritual Israelites but not the actual ones. The real ones are still very much around. is your village from there? NO.
Jesus Christ came to spiritually reposition us with God. It was a spiritual alignment. Do you know the condition in which the early church lived? People were selling their houses but now we have people who want to buy buy and buy more. We have people now who measure God’s blessing by the type of car driven whereas those were not the yardsticks used in the early church. Those people were tormented and persecuted aggressively do you think they were thinking of job? Or car|? Or wife? Or that contract? Really? But here we have men who come to serve God and measure God by material/carnal things forgetting that we were not redeemed with corruptible things as of silver and gold from our vain conversations received by traditions from our fathers but with the precious blood of Christ…I peter1. Believers are carnal minded not knowing that carnal minded is enmity with God. All they think about is that job, that contract, oh God bless me. Give need wife, give me children, prosper me . not knowing that you can never please God carnally. Paul said the kingdom of God is not in food and drink . Do not be conformed to this world because this world will be judged. there will be a day of judgement and actually once a man dies his judgement has come because after death there will be no other opportunity to live life on earth again. Don't be like Esau who sold his birthright for meat and drink . don't sell your inheritance in heaven as a son for carnal things. things that will perish with time. where moth and rut doeth corrupt and where your wealth is susceptible to theft. Don't think that job is your God or that wife or car or money is your God.

These are the end times. And the devils only mission is to get as many people to HELL. The devil will bless you with money and cars and good jobs and keep you busy. Its like feeding a chicken for the day of slaughter. He tempted Christ knowing fully well His status with the wealth of this world.
This world will be destroyed by fire eventually. Read Rev. Christ didn’t come to save us to remain in the world but He came to save us from the world. I.e. to save us from the destruction of the world. Your material things and achievements will not be a yardstick to enter heaven. The truth is the new testament is not being taught only the old. The apostles all look forward to eternity but we are being taught now to look forward to our best lives on earth. Forgetting that this earth is temporal. Its like vapour. Its like dust. Its here now and the next its not. Actually the end comes to each person when he dies because once a man dies, there is no second chance. There is a life after death. Its amazing how people go through all the lengths to secure their future, people relocate and make bold moves to secure their future but never taught to invest to secure their eternal life which will be longer than the earthly life because a day is like a thousand years to God. Can a man live up to 1000 years now?

PLEASE INVEST IN YOUR ETERNITY. WE ARE AT THE LAST DAYS. DON’T ALLOW THE DEVIL KEEP YOU BUSY. STUDY AND UNDERSTAND SCRPTURES. YOUR ETERNITY IS IN YOUR HANDS NOT IN SOME PASTOR OR MAN god.

@bolded and more, yes, material things aren't yardsticks to enter heaven, but they are needed for ease of passage here on earth.

Does possessing these things that God will gladly give if asked means carnality?

gobuchinny:
Its very alarming how carnality has made desolate the new testament doctrine as intended by Christ and preached by the early apostles. If any christain reads his/her bible regularly, it wont take much to realize that what is being preached now in churches are NOT the doctrines as presented by the early apostles. Please lets understand some foundations first. it’s important to note that the old testament was written to the physical Israelites NOT YOU OR ME . This is hard for some to swallow because they say we are all Israelites. Yes, but is God telling you to go and physically kill your enemies now? is he asking you to go and attack your enemies and acquire all their land and households? we cannot just pick and drop any scripture. we cannot just appropriate scriptures that are not written to us and claim it for yourself personally. Why will you claim when God is saying He will bless the Israelites but wont claim when God is cursing or telling the Israelites to go and physically kill their enemies. That is double standards . If you ever find yourself picking and choosing which particular scripture you can use and the one you cannot use then understand that you are in deception and are not diving the word of truth appropriately. ALL SCRIPTURE not some SCRIPTURE.

So now we find preachers who steadily preach about the old testament. you can be in service and ALL the scriptures preached are all from the old testament . Understand that the stories in the old testament are for our examples to learn. its also a form of historical events that occurred with dates and facts. Its not for us to re enact or dwell because it was an era with different types of rules. Then the people were under the law. they kept the servants, they KILLED the Lords enemies. Can you imagine that in those days for you to say you love God then you MUST be a killer . I mean actual killer . Is God asking you to kill anyone now? wont it be sin to do that now? can you kill and say God sent you? NO. we cant relive the old testament. Then the Spirit of God was on the few elect. the prophets, Kings, Priests. The Spirit was not in everybody. The people had to look up to prophets and priests to perform the daily sacrifices. They had to wait on the priest to sacrifice the lamb and appeal to God for forgiveness of sins. Heb 1 vs 1-2 explains that God during the old covenant spoke to the people through the prophets has in this day spoken to us through Jesus.

In the old testament there were two inheritances. The physical inheritance and the spiritual inherittance. God promised the children of Israel physical lands of the Canaanites. So the Israelites engaged in wars to physically claim their inheritance but in the new testament our inheritance is spiritual. We do not have ANY physical inheritance. Did God ask us in the new testament to go and possess land? Instead the early church were selling theirs for the Kingdom. Please note they were not selling and giving the apostles but it was for ALL the believers not the apostles. Romans 8 talks about pleasing God. Its says to be carnally minded is death. It says they that are after the FLESH do MIND the things of the flesh. The question is, what is carnal mindedness? Paul explained when he was talking to the Corinthians about believers giving to those who preach the gospel. He said if they can benefit from them spiritually, why cant they also benefit CARNALLY. So we see that carnal things are worldly things. Worldly possessions. So what do we think Romans 8 is saying.

All through the new testament we see it. Jesus said a man life does not constist in the ABUNDANCE OF THE THINGS HE POSSESSTH. Jesus said “labour NOT for meat that perisheth but for meat that endureth unto eternal life”. We are now spiritual beings living in our earthly bodies. But now what we have is the opposite. ”TO BE CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH….FOR THE CARNAL MIND IS ENEMITY AGAINST GOD”. Do you really think Jesus Christ came to die on earth to make you rich? So they were no rich people before Jesus Christ came to die? So the preachers only bring scriptures from the old testament forgetting that the old testament believers had a physical inheritance with a physical temple and a physical place to meet with God , so they claim all these promises that were promised to the Israelites WHICH YOU ARE NOT. You are a spiritual Israelites but not the actual ones. The real ones are still very much around. is your village from there? NO.
Jesus Christ came to spiritually reposition us with God. It was a spiritual alignment. Do you know the condition in which the early church lived? People were selling their houses but now we have people who want to buy buy and buy more. We have people now who measure God’s blessing by the type of car driven whereas those were not the yardsticks used in the early church. Those people were tormented and persecuted aggressively do you think they were thinking of job? Or car|? Or wife? Or that contract? Really? But here we have men who come to serve God and measure God by material/carnal things forgetting that we were not redeemed with corruptible things as of silver and gold from our vain conversations received by traditions from our fathers but with the precious blood of Christ…I peter1. Believers are carnal minded not knowing that carnal minded is enmity with God. All they think about is that job, that contract, oh God bless me. Give need wife, give me children, prosper me . not knowing that you can never please God carnally. Paul said the kingdom of God is not in food and drink . Do not be conformed to this world because this world will be judged. there will be a day of judgement and actually once a man dies his judgement has come because after death there will be no other opportunity to live life on earth again. Don't be like Esau who sold his birthright for meat and drink . don't sell your inheritance in heaven as a son for carnal things. things that will perish with time. where moth and rut doeth corrupt and where your wealth is susceptible to theft. Don't think that job is your God or that wife or car or money is your God.

These are the end times. And the devils only mission is to get as many people to HELL. The devil will bless you with money and cars and good jobs and keep you busy. Its like feeding a chicken for the day of slaughter. He tempted Christ knowing fully well His status with the wealth of this world.
This world will be destroyed by fire eventually. Read Rev. Christ didn’t come to save us to remain in the world but He came to save us from the world. I.e. to save us from the destruction of the world. material[b] things and achievements will not be a yardstick to enter heaven. [/b]The truth is the new testament is not being taught only the old. The apostles all look forward to eternity but we are being taught now to look forward to our best lives on earth. Forgetting that this earth is temporal. Its like vapour. Its like dust. Its here now and the next its not. Actually the end comes to each person when he dies because once a man dies, there is no second chance. There is a life after death. Its amazing how people go through all the lengths to secure their future, people relocate and make bold moves to secure their future but never taught to invest to secure their eternal life which will be longer than the earthly life because a day is like a thousand years to God. Can a man live up to 1000 years now?

PLEASE INVEST IN YOUR ETERNITY. WE ARE AT THE LAST DAYS. DON’T ALLOW THE DEVIL KEEP YOU BUSY. STUDY AND UNDERSTAND SCRPTURES. YOUR ETERNITY IS IN YOUR HANDS NOT IN SOME PASTOR OR MAN god.

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gobuchinny:
Its very alarming how carnality has made desolate the new testament doctrine as intended by Christ and preached by the early apostles. If any christain reads his/her bible regularly, it wont take much to realize that what is being preached now in churches are NOT the doctrines as presented by the early apostles. Please lets understand some foundations first. it’s important to note that the old testament was written to the physical Israelites NOT YOU OR ME . This is hard for some to swallow because they say we are all Israelites. Yes, but is God telling you to go and physically kill your enemies now? is he asking you to go and attack your enemies and acquire all their land and households? we cannot just pick and drop any scripture. we cannot just appropriate scriptures that are not written to us and claim it for yourself personally. Why will you claim when God is saying He will bless the Israelites but wont claim when God is cursing or telling the Israelites to go and physically kill their enemies. That is double standards . If you ever find yourself picking and choosing which particular scripture you can use and the one you cannot use then understand that you are in deception and are not diving the word of truth appropriately. ALL SCRIPTURE not some SCRIPTURE. [/s]
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So now we find preachers who steadily preach about the old testament. you can be in service and ALL the scriptures preached are all from the old testament . Understand that the stories in the old testament are for our examples to learn. its also a form of historical events that occurred with dates and facts. Its not for us to re enact or dwell because it was an era with different types of rules. Then the people were under the law. they kept the servants, they KILLED the Lords enemies. Can you imagine that in those days for you to say you love God then you MUST be a killer . I mean actual killer . Is God asking you to kill anyone now? wont it be sin to do that now? can you kill and say God sent you? NO. we cant relive the old testament. Then the Spirit of God was on the few elect. the prophets, Kings, Priests. The Spirit was not in everybody. The people had to look up to prophets and priests to perform the daily sacrifices. They had to wait on the priest to sacrifice the lamb and appeal to God for forgiveness of sins. Heb 1 vs 1-2 explains that God during the old covenant spoke to the people through the prophets has in this day spoken to us through Jesus.

In the old testament there were two inheritances. The physical inheritance and the spiritual inherittance. God promised the children of Israel physical lands of the Canaanites. So the Israelites engaged in wars to physically claim their inheritance but in the new testament our inheritance is spiritual. We do not have ANY physical inheritance. Did God ask us in the new testament to go and possess land? Instead the early church were selling theirs for the Kingdom. Please note they were not selling and giving the apostles but it was for ALL the believers not the apostles. Romans 8 talks about pleasing God. Its says to be carnally minded is death. It says they that are after the FLESH do MIND the things of the flesh. The question is, what is carnal mindedness? Paul explained when he was talking to the Corinthians about believers giving to those who preach the gospel. He said if they can benefit from them spiritually, why cant they also benefit CARNALLY. So we see that carnal things are worldly things. Worldly possessions. So what do we think Romans 8 is saying. [/s]
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All through the new testament we see it. Jesus said a man life does not constist in the ABUNDANCE OF THE THINGS HE POSSESSTH. Jesus said “labour NOT for meat that perisheth but for meat that endureth unto eternal life”. We are now spiritual beings living in our earthly bodies. But now what we have is the opposite. ”TO BE CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH….FOR THE CARNAL MIND IS ENEMITY AGAINST GOD”. Do you really think Jesus Christ came to die on earth to make you rich? So they were no rich people before Jesus Christ came to die? So the preachers only bring scriptures from the old testament forgetting that the old testament believers had a physical inheritance with a physical temple and a physical place to meet with God , so they claim all these promises that were promised to the Israelites WHICH YOU ARE NOT. You are a spiritual Israelites but not the actual ones. The real ones are still very much around. is your village from there? NO.[/s]
[s]Jesus Christ came to spiritually reposition us with God. It was a spiritual alignment. Do you know the condition in which the early church lived? People were selling their houses but now we have people who want to buy buy and buy more. We have people now who measure God’s blessing by the type of car driven whereas those were not the yardsticks used in the early church. Those people were tormented and persecuted aggressively do you think they were thinking of job? Or car|? Or wife? Or that contract? Really? But here we have men who come to serve God and measure God by material/carnal things forgetting that we were not redeemed with corruptible things as of silver and gold from our vain conversations received by traditions from our fathers but with the precious blood of Christ…I peter1. Believers are carnal minded not knowing that carnal minded is enmity with God. All they think about is that job, that contract, oh God bless me. Give need wife, give me children, prosper me . not knowing that you can never please God carnally. Paul said the kingdom of God is not in food and drink . Do not be conformed to this world because this world will be judged. there will be a day of judgement and actually once a man dies his judgement has come because after death there will be no other opportunity to live life on earth again. Don't be like Esau who sold his birthright for meat and drink . don't sell your inheritance in heaven as a son for carnal things. things that will perish with time. where moth and rut doeth corrupt and where your wealth is susceptible to theft. Don't think that job is your God or that wife or car or money is your God.
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[s]These are the end times. And the devils only mission is to get as many people to HELL. The devil will bless you with money and cars and good jobs and keep you busy. Its like feeding a chicken for the day of slaughter. He tempted Christ knowing fully well His status with the wealth of this world.
This world will be destroyed by fire eventually. Read Rev. Christ didn’t come to save us to remain in the world but He came to save us from the world. I.e. to save us from the destruction of the world. Your material things and achievements will not be a yardstick to enter heaven. The truth is the new testament is not being taught only the old. The apostles all look forward to eternity but we are being taught now to look forward to our best lives on earth. Forgetting that this earth is temporal. Its like vapour. Its like dust. Its here now and the next its not. Actually the end comes to each person when he dies because once a man dies, there is no second chance. There is a life after death. Its amazing how people go through all the lengths to secure their future, people relocate and make bold moves to secure their future but never taught to invest to secure their eternal life which will be longer than the earthly life because a day is like a thousand years to God. Can a man live up to 1000 years now?

PLEASE INVEST IN YOUR ETERNITY. WE ARE AT THE LAST DAYS. DON’T ALLOW THE DEVIL KEEP YOU BUSY. STUDY AND UNDERSTAND SCRPTURES. YOUR ETERNITY IS IN YOUR HANDS NOT IN SOME PASTOR OR MAN god.

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Thrash

MrPresident1:
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Thrash

Coming from an atheist .

Go figure

gobuchinny:


Coming from an atheist .

Go figure

Dead body

MrPresident1:


Dead body

Your case is simple. For any spirit filled beleiver they can smell the apostasy in all your post. You r beneath me my man. My legs will continually be on your throat because you father is the devil.

Mr asteroid . Hope it has fallen in your village and on your head.

Clown

Ozu mkpi

gobuchinny:


[s]Your case is simple. For any spirit filled beleiver they can smell the apostasy in all your post. You r beneath me my man. My legs will continually be on your throat because you father is the devil.

Mr asteroid . Hope it has fallen in your village and on your head.

Clown
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@bolded and more, yes, material things aren't yardsticks to enter heaven, but they are needed for ease of passage here on earth.

Does possessing these things that God will gladly give if asked means carnality?

Sorry im responding late. Everything on earth is carnal mate. The earth will pass away. Its not bad to possess them but with the understanding that it is carnal and having it or not having it is not used by God to measure your spirituality.

infact its difficult for a rich man to know God. Very difficult thats y Yeshua said its easier for a canal to pass d eye of d needle.

Cheers