Benstino:


Your proof is not biblical rather your own illustration.

Pls can you prove in the bible where it is written that there was a royal decree that satan flouted.

Concerning this, anything apart from a biblical view is meaningless.

@Benstino

I anticipated this response a few moves post back and was expecting an outburst much earlier than now

So tell me.

1) What are your definitions of sin?

2) What is a decree?

2b) What is your definition of law?

3) What was found in satan?

4) Do you agree that sin is the transgression of the law?

4b) Do you agree that all unrighteousness is sin?

5) If yes to #4, then by deduction, satan must have transgressed a law in heaven. Yes or No?

5b) If yes to #4b, then by deduction, satan must have done an unright thing (e.g. try to seize power without legal authority) Yes or No?

6) Is it possible for satan to commit sin without a law or decree already in place?

7) If No to #6, then explain why.

Psalm 119:117-118 NIV:


¹¹⁷Uphold me, and I will be delivered; I will always have regard for your decrees

¹¹⁸You reject all who stray from your decrees, for their deceitfulness is in vain

Psalm 119:117-118 BBE:


¹¹⁷Let me not be moved, and I will be safe, and ever take delight in your rules

¹¹⁸You have overcome all those who are wandering from your rules; for all their thoughts are false

. . . before the garden of Eden, God has always been in the business of rules, commands, statues, decrees, laws etc

@ Inesqor i am very surprised by your take but i do not have the strength at the moment. I seem to be suffering a recess of some sort. My warmest regards to Viaro. Perhaps u only need whispwr the regards under your breath. Cheers.

@DeepSight : The last part of your post above cracked me up like nothing else. I feel honoured to be thought the same person as viaro, who is obviously older, more diverse and more intelligent than I am, and Im proud to say is, to a large extent my mentor. As for the previous part of the post, all well. :-)

@Inesqor:

I've been waiting for Viaro to come back before asking this but my patience is waning.

"Origin of Sin", "Inerrancy of the Bible", "Trinity" etc all seem to be much the same TO ME as discussing "freedom of the press". They remain semantics. The issue is what exactly is the "message" of the scripture, the "meat" of the Gospel. what exactly is the Gospel itself and what were you/I/the "Sons of God" created for? I have some weird theories which I'll defend with my life and today, I shared them for the first time ever with a much loved member of this forum though not on the forum but private mail.

Whats your take on the above?

@DS:

You too, Lawyer? Whats Satan's take?

@nuclearboy:

Brilliant! I am just leaving the office now so I cant discuss that for now. I think this will make a great discussion.

Catch you up later tonight most likely (or very early mo-mo )

I will alert viaro, but *sigh* I dont think he will be able to come. Lets see sha. . .

Lets create a new thread for it. Please would you do the honors and create it? I'm behind you. I think NL is about to get the shock of its existence and many "christians" a wake up call

nuclearboy:


@Inesqor:

. .  . what exactly is the Gospel itself and what were you/I/the "Sons of God" created for?

I have some weird theories which I'll defend with my life and today,

I shared them for the first time ever with a much loved member of this forum though not on the forum but private mail.

Whats your take . . .

@nuclearboy

Incidentally I actually have a plausible conjecture on this too (i.e. . . . what were you/I/the "Sons of God" created for?)

Used to be baffled over it (i.e. the "What were we created for and Why?"

Single verse in the bible made the penny drop

Cool! Ok so I will create the thread and invite e36991 and nuclearboy to kick off with my own understanding also to boot. Others will join in also.

Now Im sure it cant be tonight but yes, I will start the thread by or before morning.

Can i make a couple of guesses? We were created to grovel on the ground in front of "him" in total submission and worship? To caress "his" overblown cosmic ego? Was that the penny that dropped?

e36991:

@nuclearboy

Incidentally I actually have a plausible conjecture on this too (i.e. . . . what were you/I/the "Sons of God" created for?)

Used to be baffled over it (i.e. the "What were we created for and Why?"

Single verse in the bible made the penny drop

Back to the topic at hand. If God has and exercises freewill to do whatever "he" wishes, then "he" is also a sinner by this "logic", since having freewill is the prerequisite to being a sinner. Can we all agree on this?
It is good to know that the divine "he" will also be roasting for eternity in hellfire with "his" other fellow freewillers like us. Is that too much to fathom? Well, perhaps that's because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SIN!
There are the positives that evolve us and there are negatives that devolve us, and life itself - in the form of continuous evolution - determines what is positive and what is negative and we all have to adjust to the parameters set by life to keep us in the right direction, which is direction of evolution as opposed to devolution.

Jenwitemi:


Can i make a couple of guesses?

We were created to grovel on the ground in front of "him" in total submission and worship?

To caress "his" overblown cosmic ego? Was that the penny that dropped?

Jenwitemi

Grovel?  . . . total submission & worship? Caress ego?

Nah. That's a myopic thinking.

It's rather simple and far from your off the cuff and warped remark

By jove, i missed it? Myopic thinking? Bugger me till sunday! I am shocked! I am gobsmacked! Was religions like christianity not built on that? Grovel in worship and "he" will grant all your wishes like a genie?
What was the penny that dropped, then? Care to share? I am interested to know.

e36991:

Jenwitemi

Grovel? . . . total submission & worship? Caress ego?

Nah. That's a myopic thinking.

It's rather simple and far from your off the cuff and warped remark

Nuclearboy and e36991:

Here is the thread

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-549736.0.html