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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Brukx(m): 7:54pm On Jun 07
Ausrichie:
C# is the best but if you are a comp science student advice is to just learn basics with c# then move to C or C++ for hardware programming and data science purposes or maybe Python you can start with c or c++ self but python is frustrating I advice you don't start with it. When you are done and feel like a brutal challenge go for Assembly for x86 and x64 architecture grin grin but learn with c# first I advice you

I don't really agree with the bolded
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Mastermindx: 10:37pm On Jun 07
Brukx:


I don't really agree with the bolded
My guy u nor study medicine again
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Brukx(m): 11:16pm On Jun 07
Mastermindx:

My guy u nor study medicine again
Na crime for medical student to love tech?
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by vheckthor1(m): 12:39am On Jun 08
languages are just tool, Programming is the art of solving problems

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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Ausrichie(m): 3:44am On Jun 08
Brukx:


I don't really agree with the bolded
Well it is easier for a beginner (changed my opinion) but if you have dealt with a C like language (Java, C, C++, C#) steer clear of it the day I dumped python for good was the day I saw this: "arint".toUpper();
How can the bolded be valid. A constant has turned to a variable overnight?.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Mastermindx: 5:35am On Jun 08
Brukx:

Na crime for medical student to love tech?
Yes oh
Face your medicine make we face our tech..
You can't have everything na, you're not Jesus.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Brukx(m): 6:38am On Jun 08
Ausrichie:

Well it is easier for a beginner (changed my opinion) but if you have dealt with a C like language (Java, C, C++, C#) steer clear of it the day I dumped python for good was the day I saw this: "arint".toUpper();
How can the bolded be valid. A constant has turned to a variable overnight?.
I understand what you mean now
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Brukx(m): 6:46am On Jun 08
Mastermindx:

Yes oh
Face your medicine make we face our tech..
You can't have everything na, you're not Jesus.
I think say na Nursing abi pharmacy you dey run?
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Mastermindx: 7:55am On Jun 08
Brukx:

I think say na Nursing abi pharmacy you dey run?
grin grin grin
Why stalk me bro.. not fair
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Ausrichie(m): 9:54am On Jun 08
Brukx:
I understand what you mean now
exactly my problem. In C and it's grandchildren you must declare everything.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by progeek37(m): 7:01am On Jul 05
Maybe take a look at Java 8 API documentation you can see how organized and broad Java is. That is a favorite language for developers.
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/
If you need Java from scratch, subscribe to my Zoom tutorial. Send me a message on WhatsApp
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by EmZsquare: 7:41am On Jul 05
progeek37:

Yes. That does not mean it is bad anyway.
I have coded in Python, C#, JavaScript and Java, I can tell you that Java or C# is good to start with. Java or C# will give you a sound understanding of programming principles.


Every programming language has its strength and weaknesses but....before one decides to learn a particular language at least there must be a motivation or a particular niche that the person wants to apply that knowledge among many.

Based on the context so far I guess this post is about learning the basics of programming and if it is I'll always suggest PYTHON.

Apart from its simplicity and less lines of codes, it's readability is exceptional compared to other languages as well as the online community. Though interpreted, it is still a beginner friendly programming language to learn.

I've studied Python, C, Java, PHP, Dart, Javascript (though not considered a programming language) and C++ and I'll always say Python is the best choice as a beginner.

Back on one's niche....you want to be a developer, hacker, e.t.c., each of these languages have their strength in any fields and you can even combine two or more to achieve your goal.

Like my teacher will always advice....it's not about knowing 5 languages but mastering one language is the best. Python can be used for almost anything a programming language can be used for in today's world.

Bonus
For Developers in Mobile App, instead of learning Java/kotlin, c++, c#, swift, e.t.c., you can learn Dart and develop a cross-platform Mobile App (Dart and Flutter).

Remember the choice is what gives you satisfaction. No one is perfect.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Abuskid: 10:38am On Jul 05
I Love what i'm learning here...Good one am following
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Omar09(m): 12:13pm On Jul 05
progeek37:


I discovered that the reason many people don't know algorithm and data structures is because they usually base their studies on YouTube videos and online coding courses. You can't learn programming principles with YouTube videos, it is never possible, I have not heard of any professional programmers who learnt all from YouTube videos or online courses. YouTube courses and online courses will give a quick grasp of the concepts but not a solid grasp. This is because no YouTube videos can provide you with adequate exercises and examples.
What I mean is to learn algorithm and data structures you need a textbook... printed or soft copy. I repeat you can't be proficient in handling algorithmic tasks without reading books from professional programmers and following their examples and solving their exercises... YouTube videos and online courses many give you a false hope of understanding programming principles when you do just few things the person who uploaded it did in 5hrs videos not knowing you are thousands of miles behind the full stuff.
To learn algorithm and data structures you inevitably need to read books and practice coding programming problems.
I recommend "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E Knuth[
He spent more than 2500 pages explaining algorithms and data structures and their importance to software engineering.
But don't rush to the book yet, start by downloading books on your favourite programming language. Try to solve all exercises.
Learn from me ---there is no book I have ever read without doing all the exercises, some take me few seconds, some minutes, some hours... some days, some even take longer time!
I repeat there is no other way to learn programming principles and algorithm and data structures apart from practising, reading alone is never enough. You need to practice, practice and practice no other way. You need time and patience, you will make mistakes, you will see many runtime errors, many compilation errors. You will fail, and fail and fail. At a point a point you will start experiencing the moment when things start becoming clearer and clearer and some problems that have given headaches previously will become a child's play. I'm speaking from experience.
If you are new to programming, you may consider joining my tutorial group. I give exercises that will you a sound understanding of algorithm and data structures. I also solve many problems live via Zoom app to teach participants how to tackle problems.

How do I join your WhatsApp group. I'm a newbie in programming and I am starting with python. Gone a little far with it.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by progeek37(m): 2:26pm On Jul 10
Omar09:


How do I join your WhatsApp group. I'm a newbie in programming and I am starting with python. Gone a little far with it.
have you joined the Whatsapp group? Or do you want to join my tutorial instead, it is not free though
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Omar09(m): 3:00pm On Jul 10
progeek37:

have you joined the Whatsapp group? Or do you want to join my tutorial instead, it is not free though

Already joined. WhatsApp handle is Mr. Fruit.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by iLearner: 4:21pm On Jul 10
EmZsquare:



Every programming language has its strength and weaknesses but....before one decides to learn a particular language at least there must be a motivation or a particular niche that the person wants to apply that knowledge among many.

Based on the context so far I guess this post is about learning the basics of programming and if it is I'll always suggest PYTHON.

Apart from its simplicity and less lines of codes, it's readability is exceptional compared to other languages as well as the online community. Though interpreted, it is still a beginner friendly programming language to learn.

I've studied Python, C, Java, PHP, Dart, Javascript (though not considered a programming language) and C++ and I'll always say Python is the best choice as a beginner.

Back on one's niche....you want to be a developer, hacker, e.t.c., each of these languages have their strength in any fields and you can even combine two or more to achieve your goal.

Like my teacher will always advice....it's not about knowing 5 languages but mastering one language is the best. Python can be used for almost anything a programming language can be used for in today's world.

Bonus
For Developers in Mobile App, instead of learning Java/kotlin, c++, c#, swift, e.t.c., you can learn Dart and develop a cross-platform Mobile App (Dart and Flutter).

Remember the choice is what gives you satisfaction. No one is perfect.

@ bolded

What do you mean man?
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by EmZsquare: 7:23pm On Jul 14
iLearner:


@ bolded

What do you mean man?


Saying Javascript is not a programming language in this context will mostly go on performance issues. While you can almost use Javascript to write a few things other programming languages can do, It also used to be true that scripting languages were generally interpreted at runtime instead of compiled ahead of time, leading to poor performance compared to compiled code that could be optimized at compile time.

Here are some flaws of JavaScript :
- It s not typed
- You can't do classes and inheritance with it. Ho... sorry, you can, there are even twenty ways of doing it... and it's the problem. Code using another code convention is painful to read.
- It is slow / it does not compile

If JavaScript is a programming language, then everything is too; Bash, SQL, XSL, doing a query on Google, e.t.c.

Logically, a man can marry a USA citizen and be given the USA nationality through the marriage. In as much as he's a USA citizen, he's still not q "real" citizen.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by vheckthor1(m): 9:44pm On Jul 14
EmZsquare:


Saying Javascript is not a programming language in this context will mostly go on performance issues. While you can almost use Javascript to write a few things other programming languages can do, It also used to be true that scripting languages were generally interpreted at runtime instead of compiled ahead of time, leading to poor performance compared to compiled code that could be optimized at compile time.

Here are some flaws of JavaScript :
- It s not typed
- You can't do classes and inheritance with it. Ho... sorry, you can, there are even twenty ways of doing it... and it's the problem. Code using another code convention is painful to read.
- It is slow / it does not compile

If JavaScript is a programming language, then everything is too; Bash, SQL, XSL, doing a query on Google, e.t.c.

Logically, a man can marry a USA citizen and be given the USA nationality through the marriage. In as much as he's a USA citizen, he's still not q "real" citizen.
JavaScript developers will crucify you for this

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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by iLearner: 9:58am On Jul 15
EmZsquare:


Saying Javascript is not a programming language in this context will mostly go on performance issues. While you can almost use Javascript to write a few things other programming languages can do, It also used to be true that scripting languages were generally interpreted at runtime instead of compiled ahead of time, leading to poor performance compared to compiled code that could be optimized at compile time.

Here are some flaws of JavaScript :
- It s not typed
- You can't do classes and inheritance with it. Ho... sorry, you can, there are even twenty ways of doing it... and it's the problem. Code using another code convention is painful to read.
- It is slow / it does not compile

If JavaScript is a programming language, then everything is too; Bash, SQL, XSL, doing a query on Google, e.t.c.

Logically, a man can marry a USA citizen and be given the USA nationality through the marriage. In as much as he's a USA citizen, he's still not q "real" citizen.

Wait. Because a language has flaws automatically makes it not being a programming language?

I guess the ones you categorise as programming languages don't have flaws?

Because JavaScript is interpreted instead of compiled, then it is not a programming language?


Saying JavaScript is slow is really laughable. In fact, saying JavaScript is not a programming language because of a perceived performance flaw is ridiculous. Let me ask; is this just a personal opinion or general view? Also, have you ever built anything using JavaScript?

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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by progeek37(m): 8:41pm On Jul 30
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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by progeek37(m): 7:29am On Aug 18
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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by progeek37(m): 4:28pm On Aug 31
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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Javierleon(m): 11:24pm On Sep 01
@progeek
I have been self taught in Python and shell, small c too
I tend to get things stuck but after a while grasp it the more
I have tried to move to C due to my preference but I rarely code these days
More like I went to fast for someone barely six months in consistent coding
I'm mostly tired of watching tutorials or reading e-books especially in Python and its affecting me going into c and java maybe Python was too easy to have started with
I just need a mentor to guide me
I chose the path to cyber security but I taught being a solid programmer first is what I need and that's why I don't wanna start any cyber security course yet
I just need guidance I feel like am rushing or learning things the bad way
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by progeek37(m): 6:54pm On Sep 03
Javierleon:
@progeek
I have been self taught in Python and shell, small c too
I tend to get things stuck but after a while grasp it the more
I have tried to move to C due to my preference but I rarely code these days
More like I went to fast for someone barely six months in consistent coding
I'm mostly tired of watching tutorials or reading e-books especially in Python and its affecting me going into c and java maybe Python was too easy to have started with
I just need a mentor to guide me
I chose the path to cyber security but I taught being a solid programmer first is what I need and that's why I don't wanna start any cyber security course yet
I just need guidance I feel like am rushing or learning things the bad way

Sorry for the late reply. Send me a WhatsApp message so we can talk more, check my Nairaland signature for my WhatsApp number.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Bahat(m): 2:46pm On Sep 05
progeek37:


I discovered that the reason many people don't know algorithm and data structures is because they usually base their studies on YouTube videos and online coding courses. You can't learn programming principles with YouTube videos, it is never possible, I have not heard of any professional programmers who learnt all from YouTube videos or online courses. YouTube courses and online courses will give a quick grasp of the concepts but not a solid grasp. This is because no YouTube videos can provide you with adequate exercises and examples.
What I mean is to learn algorithm and data structures you need a textbook... printed or soft copy. I repeat you can't be proficient in handling algorithmic tasks without reading books from professional programmers and following their examples and solving their exercises... YouTube videos and online courses many give you a false hope of understanding programming principles when you do just few things the person who uploaded it did in 5hrs videos not knowing you are thousands of miles behind the full stuff.
To learn algorithm and data structures you inevitably need to read books and practice coding programming problems.
I recommend "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E Knuth[
He spent more than 2500 pages explaining algorithms and data structures and their importance to software engineering.
But don't rush to the book yet, start by downloading books on your favourite programming language. Try to solve all exercises.
Learn from me ---there is no book I have ever read without doing all the exercises, some take me few seconds, some minutes, some hours... some days, some even take longer time!
I repeat there is no other way to learn programming principles and algorithm and data structures apart from practising, reading alone is never enough. You need to practice, practice and practice no other way. You need time and patience, you will make mistakes, you will see many runtime errors, many compilation errors. You will fail, and fail and fail. At a point a point you will start experiencing the moment when things start becoming clearer and clearer and some problems that have given headaches previously will become a child's play. I'm speaking from experience.
If you are new to programming, you may consider joining my tutorial group. I give exercises that will you a sound understanding of algorithm and data structures. I also solve many problems live via Zoom app to teach participants how to tackle problems.

I agree with most of your point expect the Knuth book "Art of programming " bro, that book is expensive to read not a book for the weaklings, mist people that done justice to the book are some know kernel hacker, moreover that book is a 3 volume book. It's the last book Intend to read after cryptography book. You need to be proficient in calculus not just the normal once. For data structures and algorithms we have some books that does the job. Prof knuth book is not for everyone. My thought.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Bahat(m): 3:52pm On Sep 05
Javierleon:
@progeek
I have been self taught in Python and shell, small c too
I tend to get things stuck but after a while grasp it the more
I have tried to move to C due to my preference but I rarely code these days
More like I went to fast for someone barely six months in consistent coding
I'm mostly tired of watching tutorials or reading e-books especially in Python and its affecting me going into c and java maybe Python was too easy to have started with
I just need a mentor to guide me
I chose the path to cyber security but I taught being a solid programmer first is what I need and that's why I don't wanna start any cyber security course yet
I just need guidance I feel like am rushing or learning things the bad way

Choosing cyber security you need to learn about those techs you intend to secure, code some programs to see you grabbing theconcept you learn. I did C, I loved C but it's mostly used to code exploits and network utilities, considering the fact that they build their own IP connection. It's a long journey takes years of study 1-5 of rigorous study to start with, after that you start grabbing concepts as you go deep in your learning phase. First thing is to know what the language you Intend to learn is used for. Most of us don't understand IP protocol suite, their dependencies, there's more to say on this topic, we will start having our conference to discuss these issues. Like now I have a topic of what python is used for. Most of our OG's don't know much about this things,all yousee it usedfor data science, all they want is exploit and exploits a weakness they know nothing about. It's not about reading all the time but thinking what you read through.

As for the mentorship, mentors will only give you pointers and reference to materials you need to understand a concept, who has the time to start tutoring when you also busy. There are sites that answers any question you face. What we need is learn, understand, reflect, and question what's read. Right now, telnet, ftp are no longer used or embedded Into those big companies services, p2p and others are not obsolate, they still use it. HTTP is the forefront of all tech now, I can body say, most of our experienced programmers don't know this HTTP to start with and they write codes that's interact with this tech. How do you intend to exploit the service you don't know. Your mentor won't teach you all, him self no know it all. RFC's are there read them.
After you grab some concept you can always come back here to talk about it as we doing now, let's spread good knowledge not the same thing we read all day long.
We all know Python is best for data science after it has been hyped. I can say hackers now prefer to write their exploit code in python why? because of its higher level with so much wrappers to make your work alot easier, manipulating data Is kinda easy with python, it's not written mainly because of data science. You can create good Gui programs that does some good works with python-tk.

C# is also good for doing Gui works, I'm learning that after am done with python that is if I deem it fit and it serves the purpose I want It. Yes it's reliable and complied language, people won't see your source code. But serious attackers will crack your compiled app using RE tools such as ollydgb, windgb and other related tools.

Now If you don't know assembly how do you intend to crack Or reverse an app. Well the Lang Is not meant for weaklings,

Before you choose a language you should have what motivate you to want programming. That's where you choose your line, what to learn, as a matter of fact you will need more than one language to hold your lane as a seasoned developer. Me self still dey learn.

As for Java I have no comment. C# is easy to learn, it's the best option for gui apps and mostly used. Company use Java, Individual coda use C# or related tech. My thought.

Our coda that think watching YouTube video will give you what you want that's a lie it only give you basic understanding of what's being discussed. Read documentation if you having problems with a topic from your language provider. That where everyone get back to when problem arise, ask questions on Google.

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Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Javierleon(m): 10:10pm On Sep 06
Bahat:


Choosing cyber security you need to learn about those techs you intend to secure, code some programs to see you grabbing theconcept you learn. I did C, I loved C but it's mostly used to code exploits and network utilities, considering the fact that they build their own IP connection. It's a long journey takes years of study 1-5 of rigorous study to start with, after that you start grabbing concepts as you go deep in your learning phase. First thing is to know what the language you Intend to learn is used for. Most of us don't understand IP protocol suite, their dependencies, there's more to say on this topic, we will start having our conference to discuss these issues. Like now I have a topic of what python is used for. Most of our OG's don't know much about this things,all yousee it usedfor data science, all they want is exploit and exploits a weakness they know nothing about. It's not about reading all the time but thinking what you read through.

As for the mentorship, mentors will only give you pointers and reference to materials you need to understand a concept.

We all know Python is best for data science after it has been hyped. I can say hackers now prefer to write their exploit code in python why? because of its higher level with so much wrappers to make your work alot easier, manipulating data Is kinda easy with python, it's not written mainly because of data science. You can create good Gui programs that does some good works with python-tk.

C# is also good for doing Gui works, I'm learning that after am done with python that is if I deem it fit and it serves the purpose I want It. Yes it's reliable and complied language, people won't see your source code. But serious attackers will crack your compiled app using RE tools such as ollydgb, windgb and other related tools.

Before you choose a language you should have what motivate you to want programming. That's where you choose your line, what to learn, as a matter of fact you will need more than one language to hold your lane as a seasoned developer. Me self still dey learn.

As for Java I have no comment. C# is easy to learn, it's the best option for gui apps and mostly used. Company use Java, Individual coda use C# or related tech. My thought.
Thank you for this I really appreciate
On c, my motivation 1 is the rigidity. Yes the rigidness, I wouldn't wana look like an amateur at complex task. also, the low level the speed etc

Python the easiness, yeah the easiness. No time to waste, plus sockets, IP addressing, the library suite, web and GUI, it simplifies so many things for me

Java, well I would wana explore the android os sometime

C# not in my list but, i'm a little interested now that somany good stuffs are being said on it. I may look at it later

Data science. I actually jumped this wherever I saw it
You said something about HTTP and its true. I would love to know how it operates behind the hood. The post and get, the requests etc ... Please also share that knowledge
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Bahat(m): 12:51am On Sep 07
Javierleon:

Thank you for this I really appreciate
On c, my motivation 1 is the rigidity. Yes the rigidness, I wouldn't wana look like an amateur at complex task. also, the low level the speed etc

Python the easiness, yeah the easiness. No time to waste, plus sockets, IP addressing, the library suite, web and GUI, it simplifies so many things for me

Java, well I would wana explore the android os sometime

C# not in my list but, i'm a little interested now that somany good stuffs are being said on it. I may look at it later

Data science. I actually jumped this wherever I saw it
You said something about HTTP and its true. I would love to know how it operates behind the hood. The post and get, the requests etc ... Please also share that knowledge

The HTTP its more than what i can explain, you can go online to read about it, absorb as much as you can because it is vast and deeper than i can say in few lines, if you read along and have some question i can help out with to explain and give you hints on where to look for other resources. Its all starts from the OSI model/IP suite. HTTP comes in play at the application level of the suite/layer. python request made me look back at it to get some more info about cookie,session which gives HTTP state(statefullness) Header data when making request with either Post or Get, because i was having issues making a request to some sites.
While i was learning unix network programming, its much of a hassle filling the structure data to create new connection to server, much arcane protocol(out-of-dates) were used as an example, they didnt give much info about how HTTP protocol being the mainstream of this century.
You should read about it when you think you need it, i make request thats why i had to go back to it.
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by josh2297(m): 11:35am On Sep 07
Starry321:

I'm new to programming. I have been trying to learn python because I'm interested in data science. But sometimes I see myself moving in circles. I can't focus on a particular learning material. From YouTube videos to online tutorials and back to books. It's been a rollercoaster. I don't want to get frustrated or lose interest. This is one shot I have to make meaning out of life. I need help bro. I really do. I would really love to be a part of your tutorials.
contact me on Whatsapp 09035535062.. let me help you with some books(free).. I used to find my bearing in datascience
Re: You Would Better Start Programming With Java Or C# by Javierleon(m): 2:24pm On Sep 07
Bahat:


The HTTP its more than what i can explain, you can go online to read about it, absorb as much as you can because it is vast and deeper than i can say in few lines, if you read along and have some question i can help out with to explain and give you hints on where to look for other resources. Its all starts from the OSI model/IP suite. HTTP comes in play at the application level of the suite/layer. python request made me look back at it to get some more info about cookie,session which gives HTTP state(statefullness) Header data when making request with either Post or Get, because i was having issues making a request to some sites.
While i was learning unix network programming, its much of a hassle filling the structure data to create new connection to server, much arcane protocol(out-of-dates) were used as an example, they didnt give much info about how HTTP protocol being the mainstream of this century.
You should read about it when you think you need it, i make request thats why i had to go back to it.
Working with django helped me with the concept of errors, and then looking at the logs I began to wonder how the cookies operated, I had an issue with this HTTP, whenever I fetched a POST request, I get this Get HTTP .1 / POST ... Error
Then internal server error page displays
As long as I know, everything seems Right, the POST data is received. What can be the cause, Google isn't helping

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