musicwriter:


The issues are not the same.The issue they have is illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico. Totally Mexico's fault.

Yours is NIGERIAN CITIZENS importing rice into Nigeria from neighboring countries. Totally Nigeria's fault.

It is still about institutional capacity to control who or what comes in through the land border. America can not control the inflow of illegal migrants through her borders. Nigeria can not control smuggling of goods through her borders.

Trump told Mexico to control the inflow of illegal migrants from their end or else trade relationship would be affected and he will build a wall that Mexico will pay for. Buhari also told our neighbors to control smuggling from their end or else, the borders would remain shut.

Both countries are using the instrumentality of access to their market to force their neighbors to act in a particular way. So, what’s the difference?

We be closing borders and paying customs for what?

musicwriter:


The issues are not the same.The issue they have is illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico. Totally Mexico's fault.

Yours is NIGERIAN CITIZENS importing rice into Nigeria from neighboring countries. Totally Nigeria's fault.

That is YOUR OWN characterization of the problem.Who said that the border was closed in Nigeria ONLY BECAUSE OF RICE?


What puzzles me is how people can assert so much rubbish without any basis
You say it is TOTALLY Mexico's fault. How why? Is it Benin's fault that herdsmen enter Nigeria to cause mayhem from Mali and Burkina Faso.

Do you know how many guns are smuggled into Mexico from the US ? Whose fault is that?

How do you know what the issues are on the Mexican border? CNN, AlJazeera, The Quran , Ifa?
Have you been anywhere near the border to conduct research

Let us assume that you are right and that in one case the issue is migrants how or why is that situation not requiring institutional strengthening?

musicwriter:


The issues are not the same.The issue they have is illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico. Totally Mexico's fault.

Yours is NIGERIAN CITIZENS importing rice into Nigeria from neighboring countries. Totally Nigeria's fault.

then let's Nigeria deal with their problems the way they want to.

0monnak0da:
That is YOUR OWN characterization of the problem.Who said that the border was closed in Nigeria ONLY BECAUSE OF RICE?


What puzzles me is how people can assert so much rubbish without any basis
You say it is TOTALLY Mexico's fault. How why? Is it Benin's fault that herdsmen enter Nigeria to cause mayhem from Mali and Burkina Faso.

Do you know how many guns are smuggled into Mexico from the US ? Whose fault is that?

How do you know what the issues are on the Mexican border? CNN, AlJazeera, The Quran , Ifa?
Have you been anywhere near the border to conduct research

Let us assume that you are right and that in one case the issue is migrants how or why is that situation not requiring institutional strengthening?

If guns smuggled from US into Mexico, that's US fault.

If illegal migrants crossing over Mexico's border into US, that's Mexico's fault.

You don't need to be in Mexico or US to understans their border situation. You can read it up, plus follow the news. Ironically, I've imported rice into Nigeria and here explaining the problem and solution to people who haven't been in the business before, yet you all think you know better. Rice smuggling into Nigeria would never stop, until NIGERIANS stop smuggling it.

Now, let's talk about Nigeria's border, please. This thread isn't about Mexico and Nigeria.

seunmsg:


It is still about institutional capacity to control who or what comes in through the land border. America can not control the inflow of illegal migrants through her borders. Nigeria can not control smuggling of goods through her borders.

Trump told Mexico to control the inflow of illegal migrants from their end or else trade relationship would be affected and he will build a wall that Mexico will pay for. Buhari also told our neighbors to control smuggling from their end or else, the borders would remain shut.

Both countries are using the instrumentality of access to their market to force their neighbors to act in a particular way. So, what’s the difference?

Sorry, you got me wrong.

I am talking about who's fault, not what both countries are actually doing about it.

Johans1991:
then let's Nigeria deal with their problems the way they want to.

The problem is that its affecting other innocent countries, like Ghana, Togo, Bourkina Faso, Mali, and other West African countries, who knows nothing about rice smuggling into Nigeria.

musicwriter:


If guns smuggled from US into Mexico, that's US fault.

If illegal migrants crossing over Mexico's border into US, that's Mexico's fault.

You don't need to be in Mexico or US to understans their border situation. You can read it up, plus follow the news. Ironically, I've imported rice into Nigeria and here explaining the problem and solution to people who haven't been in the business before, yet you all think you know better. Rice smuggling into Nigeria would never stop, until NIGERIANS stop smuggling it.

Now, let's talk about Nigeria's border, please. This thread isn't about Mexico and Nigeria.

once again who said the BORDER CLOSURE IS ALL ABOUT RICE
The security considerations are even more important
I don't know what you mean by fault.
I am sorry but that kind of talk is meaningless
Pointing the finger of fault does not fix the problem
Obviously you are reading a very different version of the Mexico border situation

Yes let us talk about the Nigeria border
If according to your logic it is Mexico's fault when migrants cross illegally then whose fault is it when stuff is smuggled in from Benin and Niger?

Whose fault is it when herdsmen cross the border?
Whose fault is it when guns cross our border?
Whose fault when Boko Haram cross the border ?


Who told you that illegal migrants enter the US without the help and collaboration of Americans?
Americans are actively involved in Human Trafficking of Hispanic people and also drug trafficking
I just want you to see how illogical your argument is
Try and think carefully before asserting with so much authority especially when quite frankly your assertions are just nonsense
What is the relevance whether it is Nigerians doing the smuggling and

Okoroawusa:

see Jonathan type of logic

before nko who no like PHD holder logic. I cannot do cattle rearer, nepa bill certificate logic with the buharideens

0monnak0da:


once again who said the BORDER CLOSURE IS ALL ABOUT RICE
The security considerations are even more important
I don't know what you mean by fault.
I am sorry but that kind of talk is meaningless
Pointing the finger of fault does not fix the problem
Obviously you are reading a very different version of the Mexico border situation

Yes let us talk about the Nigeria border
If according to your logic it is Mexico's fault when migrants cross illegally then whose fault is it when stuff is smuggled in from Benin and Niger?

Whose fault is it when herdsmen cross the border?
Whose fault is it when guns cross our border?
Whose fault when Boko Haram cross the border ?


Who told you that illegal migrants enter the US without the help and collaboration of Americans?
Americans are actively involved in Human Trafficking of Hispanic people and also drug trafficking
I just want you to see how illogical your argument is
Try and think carefully before asserting with so much authority especially when quite frankly your assertions are just nonsense
What is the relevance whether it is Nigerians doing the smuggling and

Again, if rice smuggled from Benin or Niger into Nigeria by Nigerians, that's Nigeria's fault. The rice in Benin isn't meant for you. Its meant for Togo, Ghana, Mali, Niger, Bourkina Faso, Chad, etc, where its not illegal to import rice. In fact, some years ago, it was also not illegal to import it into Nigeria.

And if terorists crossing over neighboring countries into Nigeria, that's the fault of those countries. However, I doubt this analogy of foreign boko haram and herdsmen, when they're actually Nigerians.

However, if you insist its the same as US/Mexico border situation, then copy and paste their solution as well and begin building a wall to lock out illegal immigrants, rice, terorrists. Or why are you not advocating building a wall as solution？

Unfortunately, you don't have personal experience on the Nigerian border cause if you know, you'll know human traffic continues to and fro the border. There're thousands of illegal bush roads for boko haram and herdsmen to use. Even rice smuggling continues at reduced rate. If you want to find out, just go to the market and you'll buy it.

musicwriter:


Again, if rice smuggled from Benin or Niger into Nigeria by Nigerians, that's Nigeria's fault. The rice in Benin isn't meant for you. Its meant for Togo, Ghana, Mali, Niger, Bourkina Faso, Chad, etc, where its not illegal to import rice. In fact, some years ago, it was also not illegal to import it into Nigeria. Do you think that the Benin authorities don't know much of that rice imported was destined for Nigeria?

And if terorists crossing over neighboring countries into Nigeria, that's the fault of those countries. However, I doubt this analogy of foreign boko haram and herdsmen, when they're actually Nigerians.

However, if you insist its the same as US/Mexico border situation, then copy and paste their solution as well and begin building a wall to lock out illegal immigrants, rice, terorrists. Or why are you not advocating building a wall as solution？

Unfortunately, you don't have personal experience on the Nigerian border cause if you know, you'll know human traffic continues to and fro the border. There're thousands of illegal bush roads for boko haram and herdsmen to use. Even rice smuggling continues at reduced rate. If you want to find out, just go to the market and you'll buy it.

You made some mistake here,
The reason the the Nigerian authorities is holding Benin responsible is because they are breaking ECOWAS rules pertaining importing from a third party using its seaport and allowing transportation of same to another member country.

Nigerian importers can import through Benin, Benin collects her normal tariffs and must provide escorts for those goods to the Nigerian border and they are handed over to the Nigerian customs where Nigeria collects her tariffs too but Benin wouldn't do that because they know it would discourage importers coming through their ports so they are not following up on ECOWAS rules.

Importation of rice using our seaport is not illegal, the Nigerian government increased the tariffs on rice to encourage farmers to increase production, importers seeing that importing through Nigerian ports was more expensive decided to use Benin ports where tariffs are lower and then smuggle into Nigeria.
If Benin had followed the ECOWAS rules and escorting the goods to the Nigerian border and handing over to their Nigerian customs, the closure wouldn't have happened.

musicwriter:


Again, if rice smuggled from Benin or Niger into Nigeria by Nigerians, that's Nigeria's fault. The rice in Benin isn't meant for you. Its meant for Togo, Ghana, Mali, Niger, Bourkina Faso, Chad, etc, where its not illegal to import rice. In fact, some years ago, it was also not illegal to import it into Nigeria.

And if terorists crossing over neighboring countries into Nigeria, that's the fault of those countries. However, I doubt this analogy of foreign boko haram and herdsmen, when they're actually Nigerians.

However, if you insist its the same as US/Mexico border situation, then copy and paste their solution as well and begin building a wall to lock out illegal immigrants, rice, terorrists. Or why are you not advocating building a wall as solution？

Unfortunately, you don't have personal experience on the Nigerian border cause if you know, you'll know human traffic continues to and fro the border. There're thousands of illegal bush roads for boko haram and herdsmen to use. Even rice smuggling continues at reduced rate. If you want to find out, just go to the market and you'll buy it.

Clearly you are misinformed.
It is not illegal to import rice into Nigeria That is not true
I do not know why you are so fixated on rice. The border was not closed because of "rice"
Why must we copy and paste their solution?
Has smuggling into the USA stopped, has human trafficking stopped? what evidence then is there that building a wall works? It remains the largest market for cocaine. Are there no illegal routes on the Mexico border?? Is that peculiar to Nigeria
We will develop our own home grown solution
When Moses came down from Mount Sinai with his Ten Commandments did it mention building walls.
At any rate America is a rich country we are not
It might interest you to know some countries have used Land Mines for the same objective and that may be a more affordable option.
There is no God given solution for ALL nations
I do not know how you can deign to know what I know or what experience I have. That is quite arrogant.

Area4Area:
You made some mistake here,
The reason the the Nigerian authorities is holding Benin responsible is because they are breaking ECOWAS rules pertaining importing from a third party using its seaport and allowing transportation of same to another member country.

Nigerian importers can import through Benin, Benin collects her normal tariffs and must provide escorts for those goods to the Nigerian border and they are handed over to the Nigerian customs where Nigeria collects her tariffs too but Benin wouldn't do that because they know it would discourage importers coming through their ports so they are not following up on ECOWAS rules.

Importation of rice using our seaport is not illegal, the Nigerian government increased the tariffs on rice to encourage farmers to increase production, importers seeing that importing through Nigerian ports was more expensive decided to use Benin ports where tariffs are lower and then smuggle into Nigeria.
If Benin had followed the ECOWAS rules and escorting the goods to the Nigerian border and handing over to their Nigerian customs, the closure wouldn't have happened.

Bro, Benin has been doing just that. I, myself has bought 4 cars from Benin at various times.

However, let me surprise you. I paid duty for only one of the cars. Indeed, Benin authorities did forward the car to Nigerian customs where I paid my duty.

The other three cars followed bush. They arrived successfully because Nigerian customs are not working. Would you in a capitalist sanity blame Benin for selling me the rest of the undutied cars？

Again, like rice, its not meant for Nigeria. Its meant for many other West African countries of which Nigeria is one. Once you understand this, you'll realize a loophole that can allow me buy something in Benin and put Niger or even Cameroun as the destination. Would Benin tell me not to send my rice to Cameroun？

0monnak0da:
Clearly you are misinformed.
It is not illegal to import rice into Nigeria That is not true
I do not know why you are so fixated on rice. The border was not closed because of "rice"
Why must we copy and paste their solution?
Has smuggling into the USA stopped, has human trafficking stopped? what evidence then is there that building a wall works? It remains the largest market for cocaine. Are there no illegal routes on the Mexico border?? Is that peculiar to Nigeria
We will develop our own home grown solution
When Moses came down from Mount Sinai with his Ten Commandments did it mention building walls.
At any rate America is a rich country we are not
It might interest you to know some countries have used Land Mines for the same objective and that may be a more affordable option.
There is no God given solution for ALL nations
I do not know how you can deign to know what I know or what experience I have. That is quite arrogant.

What I mean is that its not illegal to ship rice across borders in some other West African countries.

For the rest of your argument, that's exactly what I argued in my first post here. I said ''the issues are not the same'' so Mexico and US border crises are not same issues as Nigeria and neighboring countries. Once you understand that, you'll begin finding your own local solution. Unfortunately, border closure is not a sustainable solution.

musicwriter:


What I mean is that its not illegal to ship rice across borders in some other West African countries.

For the rest of your argument, that's exactly what I argued in my first post here. I said ''the issues are not the same'' so Mexico and US border crises are not same issues as Nigeria and neighboring countries. Once you understand that, you'll begin finding your own local solution. Unfortunately, border closure is not a sustainable solution.

I am not a mind reader. This is what YOU SAID

musicwriter:


In fact, some years ago, it was also not illegal to import it into Nigeria.
.

For some reason RICE is SOOOOOOOOO important to you I wonder why.
Tis is not just about rice
It remains legal to import rice into Nigeria but duty must be paid
That duty currently accrues to the government in Benin
Nigerian borders have the same rules with other ECOWAS countries nothing new but they do not follow the rules.
The Benin government allows rice from outside the ECOWAS to be imported there and sent over
By any definition that is institutional sabotage and border closure is an appropriate response.
It is not sustainable maybe but it is working in the sense that those countries are coming to the negotiating table.
In the long term if we cannot reach a workable compromise then there are options for longer border closures using other technologies

0monnak0da:

I am not a mind reader. This is what YOU SAID



For some reason RICE is SOOOOOOOOO important to you I wonder why.
Tis is not just about rice
It remains legal to import rice into Nigeria but duty must be paid
That duty currently accrues to the government in Benin
Nigerian borders have the same rules with other ECOWAS countries nothing new but they do not follow the rules.
The Benin government allows rice from outside the ECOWAS to be imported there and sent over
By any definition that is institutional sabotage and border closure is an appropriate response.
It is not sustainable maybe but it is working in the sense that those countries are coming to the negotiating table.
In the long term if we cannot reach a workable compromise then there are options for longer border closures using other technologies

I emphasize on rice because your government has put emphasis on rice smuggling.

Again, Benin isn't importing the rice for you but for themselves and other neighbors who have no problem importing rice through their borders. Deal with that.

However, if you have other solution to stop rice smuggling into Nigeria, bring it forward because border closure is a shortsighted solution that is presently impacting nagatively on the economy of West Africa, including Nigeria.

musicwriter:


I emphasize on rice because your government has put emphasis on rice smuggling.

Again, Benin isn't importing the rice for you but for themselves and other neighbors who have no problem importing rice through their borders. Deal with that.

However, if you have other solution to stop rice smuggling into Nigeria, bring it forward because border closure is a shortsighted solution that is presently impacting negatively on the economy of West Africa, including Nigeria.

Yea we are DEALING WITH IT by closing the border

YOU deal with that.
Why moaning like an estral canine.

0monnak0da:

Yea we are DEALING WITH IT by closing the border

YOU deal with that.
Why moaning like an estral canine.

Ok. Let's see how long the border will remain closed. But don't forget business will return as usual as soon as border open. Don't forget that.

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helinues:


Agbalagba Ki n se Oro bi ewe..

Same people you are forcing allignment with have been disgracing you here on NL..

Grow up from being petty

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What's our business with the economy of other countries...we doing big brother while they suck us like parasites..
Border should remain closed !

eTECTIV:
Its only a clueless mo.ron dat would leave an institutional problem and b chasing rats

We no dey open. Make e de pain you and that man there.

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gloriaunobi:
How did he get to Nigeria if the border is closed? Your people should transport goods through the means which you used to transport yourself here

a whole Ghana ex president dey use style beg?




each country for itself




Africa go get sense las las

Rubbish and stupidity of the highest order!

musicwriter:


The issues are not the same.The issue they have is illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico. Totally Mexico's fault.

Yours is NIGERIAN CITIZENS importing rice into Nigeria from neighboring countries. Totally Nigeria's fault.

If illegal immigrants can cross, drugs and arms can cross too. Especially drugs.
Don't u think so?

SalamRushdie:
Buhari doesn't know the borders and customs are there to prevent smuggling in the first place.. ECOWAS should expel him

Who is ECOWAS?

helinues:
Like Jonathan like Mahama

There were both vp when their country president died

They both lost reelection after first term as president

They both have no balls

But what Mahama is saying is right.

We cannot keep the broder closed forever. Buhari cannot keep on hiding from the cold realities ...that customs is very corrupt, that we don't have enough ports, and that our transport system is bad, and that there are all sorts of difficultes in importing stuff into the country.

Yes, broder closure has broguht some benefit...but as you know, the economy of today is not the economy of the 1960's....