Month of fire

ornicus:
the steps lagos took with ketu market should be taken with every major market. demolish and rebuild. let the market be designed by architects who will design with life safety and property protection

unless this is done, this will be the never ending story of these ramshackle markets with combustible goods

Even redesigned markets get burnt in Nigeria. It has to do more with our non chalant attitude to life. Give Nigerians the best of facilities, we will watch it all rot away.

Chai

Am afraid of this fire thing is too much

Blakjewelry:
why is it to build modern market instead of these paper and stick stores waiting for fire to consume

Government built a modern market at ughelli more than 10 years ago, the traders refused to move there. The ne

OP which tuesday morning?

Na this afternoon the fire start o, market wey I pass this afternoon so. You can lie for Delta!

This is where i live...i even tried to confirm if the story was true when i first heard it,just to come to nairaland to see it at frontpage.

tete7000:


Even redesigned markets get burnt in Nigeria. It has to do more with our non chalant attitude to life. Give Nigerians the best of facilities, we will watch it all rot away.

then they are not properly designed

there is something called fire compartment. you design a structure or building such that fire will be contained within the area it breaks out.
for a concrete or blockwork structure with fire retardant ceiling tiles, your fire will end in the room where it started.

the other consideration is combustibles. the number one way of spreading a fire in most home or offices is curtains and carpeting. nigerians do not consider fire retardant carpets, or they are told their carpets are fire retardant

we had a fire in my old office years ago. the fire traveled through a 12 floor building via the cable ducts. almost none of our offices had carpets, s the fire ended in the duct. except for our exec director whose office was fully carpeted and fully destroyed.
and our neighours whose entire offices were carpeted and so their entire floor was destroyed.

build your fire compartment, enforce proper storage of combustibles, and you will be fine.

ornicus:


then they
we had a fire in my old office years ago. the fire traveled

Exactly...I wrote this same thing a few weeks ago

Compartmentalisation, flame-retardant materials and functioning fire extinguishers would solve all this but nobody cares

midnighter:


Exactly...I wrote this same thing a few weeks ago

Compartmentalisation would solve all this but nobody cares

more likely they do not want to engage professionals to build.

https://www.nairaland.com/5527043/pictures-construction-enugu-state-secretariat/2#84009401

does that structure built by a state government look like there is any professional input in it?

1mrprolific7:
You ..yes..you reading this .. why aren't you making plans to leave this hellhole? Is this the news you want your kids to read everyday? Tanker explosions are no longer strange to Nigerians anymore because it's a daily occurrence.
Is this life you want your kids to become accustomed to?

Why aren't you making good plans to leave this doomed nation? You probably love it here but I demand a concrete reason for why you want your kids to go through the same desensitization to what a good life actually should be like? They don't deserve this and I'm pleading on their behalf.

U solemnly made me conclude my plans for my people

Blakjewelry:
why is it to build modern market instead of these paper and stick stores waiting for fire to consume

shut up I have lived in Delta State b4 and I Kno this place .d former governor uduaghan built a modern market but the women refuse to relocate

ornicus:


more likely they do not want to engage professionals to build.

https://www.nairaland.com/5527043/pictures-construction-enugu-state-secretariat/2#84009401

does that structure built by a state government look like there is any professional input in it?

What if the professional doesn't advise them properly or impress upon them the importance of such features?

It's a two-sided thing and really, there are supposed to be building regulations being enforced in order to bring structures up to code so that it doesn't depend on either party's whim

tete7000:
Every project has a budget and you can't always meet every requirement.

See? Just look at what somebody wrote. About an essential requirement for health and safety. If a contractor or an architect sounds like this he will just accept the money and that would be the end of it. They will tell you that they are "managing the available funds to reach the estimated date for project completion"

That's why markets will continue to catch fire in this country

sureheaven:
Fire here, fire there....

Yoo much carelessness is the primary cause of this.
Government is also useless on their part. Nothing stop our government from not having sophisticated fire station in those markets to prevent things like this.

How you take know wetin I wan talk?

ornicus:


then they are not properly designed

there is something called fire compartment. you design a structure or building such that fire will be contained within the area it breaks out.
for a concrete or blockwork structure with fire retardant ceiling tiles, your fire will end in the room where it started.

the other consideration is combustibles. the number one way of spreading a fire in most home or offices is curtains and carpeting. nigerians do not consider fire retardant carpets, or they are told their carpets are fire retardant

we had a fire in my old office years ago. the fire traveled through a 12 floor building via the cable ducts. almost none of our offices had carpets, s the fire ended in the duct. except for our exec director whose office was fully carpeted and fully destroyed.
and our neighours whose entire offices were carpeted and so their entire floor was destroyed.

build your fire compartment, enforce proper storage of combustibles, and you will be fine.

Every project has a budget and you can't always meet every requirement. Let say you can isolate rooms in decked section of a building, how about the part with roof? Note also that there are really no fire proof materials in a sense, you only have materials that can withstand fire for specific period giving man enough time to prevent the spread of fire. It is why fire prevention is always augmented with fire fighting capability.

tete7000:


Every project has a budget and you can't always meet every requirement. Let say you can isolate rooms in decked section of a building, how about the part with roof? Note also that there are really no fire proof materials in a sense, you only have materials that can withstand fire for specific period giving man enough time to prevent the spread of fire. It is why fire prevention is always augmented with fire fighting capability.

Fire retarand ceiling tiles.it is simply because this is Nigeria. Lasg is now insisting that any new site has a hydrant tank and line. They are enforcing two floors of parking for large office buildings.you don't have the money, you don't build.

These are matters of life and death

soliddust2020:


Government built a modern market at ughelli more than 10 years ago, the traders refused to move there. The ne

This here might be the reason why this got burnt. They must relocate by force or by fire.
Developers are losing money

sonnie10:

This here might be the reason why this got burnt. They must relocate by force or by fire.
Developers are losing money

You got it perfectly.

HacheNoire:


Fire knows no bounds. Safety measures is best

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Structurally, one can evade fire from spreading to different shops by making use of concrete decked roofing instead of going for woods..

Use of conduit wiring, adjusting the market paths to contain fire service vehicles and use of fire hydrants at strategic places in the market can comfortably reduce the rate of fire disasters in public structures especially in a market....

Harmattan don come

midnighter:


What if the professional doesn't advise them properly or impress upon them the importance of such features?

It's a two-sided thing and really, there are supposed to be building regulations being enforced in order to bring structures up to code so that it doesn't depend on either party's whim



See? Just look at what somebody wrote. About an essential requirement for health and safety. If a contractor or an architect sounds like this he will just accept the money and that would be the end of it. They will tell you that they are "managing the available funds to reach the estimated date for project completion"

That's why markets will continue to catch fire in this country

When I wrote, I wrote about subject matter I know very well. If you like put all the sprinklers in the world in a market, if people's attitude are wrong, the market will still burn. No angel can help when power sources are perpetually left on, when fire systems in place are not maintained. And like I have written design is about give and take, you can't always put in place everything in face of a daunting budget constraints. People have roles to play in preventing fire.

ornicus:


Fire retarand ceiling tiles.it is simply because this is Nigeria. Lasg is now insisting that any new site has a hydrant tank and line. They are enforcing two floors of parking for large office buildings.you don't have the money, you don't build.

These are matters of life and death

And what makes you think fire hydrants lines are not available in some of the burnt markets? What if the pumps are never maintained? What if water is never available? How about drills? How many market men/women have orientation on how to behave or react in face of fire? Fire problems in Nigeria as I have earlier said is more than one of design, it is more of a bad attitude on the part of the people. No material is designed to withstand fire infinitely. Even the tile you talk about will crumble in face of intense inferno...

tete7000:


When I wrote, I wrote about subject matter I know very well. If you like put all the sprinklers in the world in a market, if people's attitude are wrong, the market will still burn. No angel can help when power sources are perpetually left on, when fire systems in place are not maintained. And like I have written design is about give and take, you can't always put in place everything in face of a daunting budget constraints. People have roles to play in preventing fire.

You have a point but you shouldn't be trying to minimise the importance of these things as if they are an inconvenience...even if people are careless or have a bad attitude it's still wrong to build a structure without bothering to include inbuilt safety measures.

It's a two-pronged approach and budget constraint is not a valid excuse. Health and safety features are designed to limit the effect of human error.

So because people throw litter all over the street RIWAMA should refuse to collect trash

Abfinest007:
shut up I have lived in Delta State b4 and I Kno this place .d former governor uduaghan built a modern market but the women refuse to relocate

uduaghan or ibori btw you mo get respect?

It's well

Fire fire fire in our country country, give me plenty
water make I quench d fire..ehnnn shine ur eye...daddy showkey wise word

sureheaven:
Fire here, fire there....

Yoo much carelessness is the primary cause of this.
Government is also useless on their part. Nothing stop our government from not having sophisticated fire station in those markets to prevent things like this.

Fire stations do not prevent fires, they put out fire. Reducing the frequency of fire outbreaks starts by

1. implementing and enforcing safe building standards.

2. Regulating how these markets are built and run.

3. Educating Nigerians on fire safety.

4. Reducing the need for individuals to move flammable contents including petrol, liquefied natural gas canisters , kerosene and diesel.

However none of these will ever happen in Nigeria at least in our lifetime

midnighter:


You have a point but you shouldn't be trying to minimise the importance of these things as if they are an inconvenience...even if people are careless or have a bad attitude it's still wrong to build a structure without bothering to include inbuilt safety measures.

It's a two-pronged approach and budget constraint is not a valid excuse. Health and safety features are designed to limit the effect of human error.

So because people throw litter all over the street RIWAMA should refuse to collect trash

The markets are overpopulated for a start. There is no regulation surrounding how many people can and should fit in tight stalls

GeneralShepherd:


The markets are overpopulated for a start. There is no regulation surrounding how many people can and should fit in tight stalls

Yes, there should be a certain amount of space separating each stall from its neighbour and the electronics they use in there should be up to code

sureheaven:
Fire here, fire there....

Yoo much carelessness is the primary cause of this.
Government is also useless on their part. Nothing stop our government from not having sophisticated fire station in those markets to prevent things like this.

Bros, we need development like right now. see market na, u see see that place. its no even concussive to people to live. Let it burn and let gov build something good there.

midnighter:


You have a point but you shouldn't be trying to minimise the importance of these things as if they are an inconvenience...even if people are careless or have a bad attitude it's still wrong to build a structure without bothering to include inbuilt safety measures.

It's a two-pronged approach and budget constraint is not a valid excuse. Health and safety features are designed to limit the effect of human error.

So because people throw litter all over the street RIWAMA should refuse to collect trash

Sadly though I have never believed in having people picking trashes after others. My belief has always been that dustbins should be strategically placed along our streets while people are properly oriented to use it. I don't think civilized world litter their environment the way we do. Our approach to the issue makes it look like it is some people right to pick trashes while others have obligation to keep them busy. Cleanliness as a way of life, as something novel and worth doing has never been emphasized in our society.