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Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 6:20pm On Nov 25, 2019 |
Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? The gospel of mammon teaches that "poverty is choice", and one instance the preachers of that gospel cite to justify that teaching is that of Abraham and Lazarus. According to them the reason Abraham was rich was because he didn't chose poverty, while Lazarus was poor because he chose poverty. So if that be the case, then how about all the poor prophets, apostles, and righteous men of God of old time, some of whom lived in abject poverty? Were they also poor because they chose poverty? If yes, there's another similar teaching of the gospel of mammon that "poverty is a curse". So does that also mean that all those poor prophets, apostles, righteous men of God were also cursed? If yes, that means they also chose to be cursed, because they were only poor because they chose poverty which was a curse according to the gospel of mammon and her preachers. And just to give an idea of some of those prophets, apostles and righteous men of God of old assumed to be cursed according to the gospel of mammon just because they were poor men to better grasp the meaning of that teaching, they Include Moses, Joshua, Elijah, Elisha, Jonah, John the Baptist, Peter, John, and even Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, that is men whose walk with God were at par with that of Abraham or possibly higher, so it wouldn't be that it was because they has done something wrong, which Abraham did right that made poverty which was a curse, according to the gospel of mammon, to come upon them and not Abraham. Moreover It's might also be helpful to note that some of these poor men were used by God to provide the needs and feed many people amounting to an entire nation. And they also brought out some persons, families and even nations out of poverty, as in some instances they were shown to have singlehandedly reversed the economic fortunes of some nations for the better. Yet they were cursed according to the gospel of mammon just because they were poor themselves. So maybe they should have chosen to enrich themselves instead, and not those persons, families and nations who needs God used them to meet so that they wouldn't be cursed, since all that it took for them not to be cursed was not to be poor. That should give an idea of how desperately ridiculous the teachings of the gospel of mammon is, as that couldn't be any further from the Truth. Because it couldn't get any more blessed than these poor men in the sight of God, to prove that this teaching from the gospel of mammon is a lie which could have only emanated from the deepest parts of hell. Jesus said: "Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth." {Luke 12:15 (KJV)} So in the sight of God possession of earthly riches doesn't determine who is blessed or who is cursed, but it's only in sight of men that such applies. Hence this saying of Jesus to the Pharisees of His day: "Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." {Luke 16:15 (KJV)} So it's no coincidence that this saying of Jesus was directed at the Pharisees of His day who were the devoted preachers of this demonic gospel at the time, who used earthly riches and possessions to justify themselves in the sight of men as men who were blessed, but Jesus made them know that they were cursed in the sight of God. Luke 16:9-14 Continued below. 1 Like |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by sweetonugbu: 6:32pm On Nov 25, 2019 |
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Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 6:58pm On Nov 25, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Therefore the preachers of the gospel of mammon of our time, could be said to be the present-day version of the Pharisees, so it's not hard to see why of all the poor prophets, apostles, and righteous men of God in the Bible, it was only a poor Lazarus who was the last if not the least example of such, that they could have seen to compare with Abraham, because the other examples would have favorably compared with Abraham in the respect of their walk with God, which would have easily exposed the ulterior motive of such an idea from the onset. For it wasn't riches that made Abraham to be blessed in God's sight, but because he was obedient to God's Word, so even if Abraham was poor, he would still be blessed as long as he remained obedient to God's Word, for that was what made him to be blessed in the sight of God. And the same applied to Job, David, Daniel, Joseph, etc., and all those rich men who walked with God, it wasn't earthly riches but heavenly riches that made them blessed in the sight of God. That's how they just as the poor men of God were all blessed men before God, for earthly riches was not a factor in determining who is blessed in the sight of God but obedience of God's Word. And the same applies to those who are cursed, for it's not determined by earthly riches but those who are disobedient to God's Word, hence the Pharisees despite being rich were cursed and an abomination in the sight of God, because it takes the disobedience of God's Word to be cursed. Continued below. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 7:11pm On Nov 25, 2019 |
That's why God didn't have any qualms with some of His true servants being poor as He had shown overtime, in fact He had on some occasions deliberately made them poor, as in the instance of Elijah whose abject poverty was clearly shown to be God's own making. And one occasion that proved this was when he had to depend on the Ravens, God send to feed him in the wilderness and the Brook that God used to provide water for him. {1 King 17:2-6} Then when the brook dried up, which I believe was the Lord's doing also, God sent him to a extremely poor widow, who with her son who were preparing their last meal of their lives, to feed him: 1 Kings 17:12 (KJV) 12 And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die. Now that was the woman that God said He had commanded to sustain Elijah, so doesn't that illustrate how God thinks? This was the saying of Jesus concerning the same woman: Luke 4:25-26 (KJV) 25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. That showed that Elijah was actually sent by God to help the woman and not the other way around, except that by helping the poor man of God, she was helping herself, and that was why I believe God made the brook dry up, to use His abjectly poor prophet Elijah to save the life of the poor widow and her son. 1 Kings 17:13-16 (KJV) 13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son. 14 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth. 15 And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days. 16 And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah. Continued below |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 7:18pm On Nov 25, 2019 |
So that was the kind of man we are talking about, a man who had the hand of God upon his life, and hence had at his disposal the power to make rich and make poor, and to determine the economy of nations, but yet he was a man who lived in abject poverty all the days of his life. So did that make him any less blessed than those who were rich? That's what the gospel of mammon teaches, but not according to the gospel of Truth which teaches that earthly riches doesn't determine who is blessed or cursed in the sight of God, but the obedience of God's Word. Luke 11:28 (KJV) 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Therefore in the sight of God, anyone who keeps the Word of God is blessed but any one who doesn't is cursed! Continued below |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 7:27pm On Nov 25, 2019 |
I'm not against prosperity or people being rich, but I strongly believe that it should be up to God to determine who becomes rich or who doesn't, and not man. And that anyone inclusive of church leaders and christians who think that it's up to them to determine such for themselves, are yet at the elementary or kindergarten level, and have not even started when it came to the level that such men like Elijah walked with God, where it was up to God to decide that and not him. Because at that level of walk with God, you don't choose riches or poverty, but you choose God's Will, so it's up to God to decide whether He's going to make you rich or poor because He knows what best suits His purpose and plans for the lives of every one including you. The Will of God for every one is that they have their needs met, which can be corroborated by the request made by Jesus in His model prayer, which is, "give this day us our daily bread", as that is a need that applies to every human being. Continued below. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 7:51pm On Nov 25, 2019 |
The idea being sold by the modern-day Pharisees to justify the preaching of gospel of mammon, that it's meant to enrich the people and to provide for God's work is completely unfounded and false, because it's God's job to provide for His work, but man's job to seek Him and to do His Will. That's why Jesus didn't need to preach the gospel of mammon (Prosperity) to be able provide the place required for His body to be laid after His death, but He did the Will of God and preached the Gospel of Truth, and when the time came, God provided for His own work by Himself through the rich man called Joseph of Arimathaea, who already had the place required for the body of His only begotten Son Jesus to be laid in fulfilment of the scriptures. Isaiah 53:9 Also the church Jesus founded didn't need the preaching of the gospel of mammon, but they did the Will of God and preached the Gospel of Truth as Jesus did Himself and had instructed them to do, and God provided for His own work by Himself through whomsoever He will. Acts 4:34-35 (KJV) 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. So if the church didn't need it then, then the church doesn't need it now, moreover, in spite of all their preaching of the gospel of mammon which they claim is intended to enrich the people and to provide for God's work, it has hardly ever resulted in such a situation where there was no lack among the people, as it was in the church Jesus founded which didn't preach the gospel of mammon. On the contrary, the gospel of mammon has proven over time to enrich only a few, at the expense of many, and also shown to only inspire covetousness in people, as illustrated by the instance of the Pharisees who were preachers of this demonic doctrine, whose covetousness were being exposed by Jesus. Luke 16:11-14 (KJV) 11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. But instead of heeding the saying of Jesus concerning their worship of mammon and hence repenting from it, they derided Jesus and perhaps mocked Him that He was only doing that out of envy for their riches, therefore it shouldn't be a surprise if the Pharisees of our time do same when their mammon worshipping is being called out. God bless. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 2:28pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
Where are the preachers of the gospel of mammon? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 7:38am On Nov 27, 2019 |
Elijah was a true prophet of God, yet he lived in abject poverty. Still some church leaders and their followers claim that they cannot be poor because their God is not a poor God, in order to justify their covetousness and the preaching of the gospel of mammon. So I want to ask them the question, was the God of Elijah, a poor God? Or do they think they are better than prophet Elijah? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 9:04am On Nov 28, 2019 |
Imagine some church leaders and members that have not been able to call down fire from heaven as the poor man called Elijah was able to do, are yet saying that they cannot be poor because they don't serve a poor God. So are they trying to tell us that prophet Elijah who was abjectly poor served a poor God? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 6:51am On Nov 29, 2019 |
The gospel of mammon teaches that "Poverty is a curse", and prophet Elijah who was able to divide the river Jordan into two by the power of God and walked on dry ground in between, lived in abject poverty. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 8:16am On Nov 30, 2019 |
jesusjnr: The gospel of mammon also teaches that "Poverty is a choice", so according to the gospel Elijah who God used to provide for many poor people was not only cursed, but he also chose poverty because he was poor. Really demonic gospel! |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 6:26am On Dec 01, 2019 |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by damble: 6:44am On Dec 01, 2019 |
OGA, WHO TOLD U PROPHET ELIJAH AND OTHERS MENTIONED ABOVE WERE POOR? HOW DO U CONVINCE PEOPLE U ARE PREACHING TO THAT UR GOD CAN PROSPER THEM IF D EVIDENCE OF RICHES IS NOT SEEN IN U? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 6:49am On Dec 01, 2019 |
damble:Are you kidding me with that question, or you're one of those who would want to justify the gospel of mammon with anything possible? If you don't have anything meaningful to say but to deny the obvious Truth, then you have nothing to say. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by oaroloye(m): 5:22pm On Dec 01, 2019 |
SHALOM! jesusjnr: IT IS SO IRRITATING TO FIND PEOPLE FUMBLING AND BUMBLING BLINDLY, IN AN EFFORT TO FIND THE TRUTH- WHICH WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, THE WHOLE TIME! The so-called Gospel of Poverty has Its place. The so-called Gospel of Mammon has Its place. MAMMON cannot be ruled out. POVERTY cannot be ruled out. AFFLUENCE and DEPRIVATION are Fundamental Laws of Creation. A POOR MAN has similarity with God. A RICH MAN has similarity with God. However, when practiced for their own sake, the Fundamental Truth can be lost in the Tunnel Vision. For instance, lots of people surely gave up Riches and Wealth to join The Roman Catholic Church's Monastic/Nunnery System, taking Sacred Vows of Chastity and Poverty- only to learn, eventually, of the incredible corruption in the Church Leadership. For instance, POPE ALEXANDER VI had an illegitimate son, with whom he contracted syphilis after a night of Whoredom, leading to the sequence of events that has sidelined Natural Herbalism and established Toxic Alchemy as the Government-Approved Medical Treatment in Western Civilization. [See: THE MEDICAL CONSPIRACY, by William Schnoebelen.] It gets worse: that very Pope commissioned the greatest Artist of the time, Leonardo da Vinci, to make the face of the Lord Yeshua, not only a White man, but the likeness of that illegitimate son: CESARE BORGIA. When Monks and Nuns learn about the corruption, they cannot do anything, because they have given away all their Power. A similar situation obtains for Protestant Clergymen and Clergy women today. If they complain about and actively fight the corruption in their chosen Churches, their titles and standing can be taken away by the same System that gave them to them. THE BIBLE GIVES GUIDELINES ON HOW TO ACQUIRE EVEN STUPENDOUS WEALTH, STARTING FROM ABJECT POVERTY. Oyinbo Theology is never going to teach their Colonial Subjects THAT! Why should they? jesusjnr: THE EXAMPLES YOU CITED: MOSES: was an adopted Prince of Egypt. He voluntarily gave that up to be a Hebrew Freedom-Fighter- killing one tyrannical Slave Master at a time. If he could only have kept it up, God shouldn't have needed to step in. He was a herdsman for forty years- that's not a poor occupation, unless one is lazy. Which he wasn't. Whatever herds he owned by right were surely returned to him, and he got to take them on the EXODUS with him. YESHUA bar NUN: was surely not a poor man. He was Israel's greatest War Hero. God specifically gave him, and only him, THE KEY TO GOOD SUCCESS. ELIJAH: was surely poor: he was a hermit, who owned no farm- even though every Israelite who wasn't a Levite, had land. Apparently, he wasn't Spiritual enough to own property. That happens. ELISHA: was another extremely "Spiritual Guy," whose Spirituality depended on being Materially-Deprived. YONAH: had enough money to book passage on a ship that was going so far away, that he thought GOD wouldn't be able to find him. That should take money. Whatever property he may have owned couldn't have been of use to him, and didn't figure into his story. YOCHANNAN BAPTIST: his father worked in The Temple: no way his parents were poor. He gave up materialism to become Spiritual enough to meet and identity the HaMISHIACH- a thing no other Prophet had been able do. CEPHAS: was a fisherman: that was not a poor job. YOCHANNAN the Beloved: another fisherman, was surely not poor. LORD YESHUA: he inherited his father Yosef's Carpentry trade. That is hard to be poor in. MATERIAL POSSESSIONS REQUIRE SPIRITUAL ENERGY TO POSSESS. There are four classes of Spirituality. Our default class is determined by the mean of our parents' Spiritual Energy levels at the time they conceived us. oaroloye: ANYONE CAN ATTAIN HOLINESS- NO MATTER THEIR DEFAULT ENERGY CATEGORY. oaroloye: But if one is conceived in the low Spiritual Energy Classes, the harder it is for them to attain Holiness- or even to see the necessity and urgency for doing so. The quickest way to lower your Spiritual Energy level is to have a lot of RECREATIONAL SEX. Therefore, the lower Spiritual Energy Categories are common, the World over, because most people do not know this. Therefore, the precious little Spiritual Energy most people have is tied up in the process of merely surviving from day-to-day, let alone possessing significant Riches. jesusjnr: EVERY HUMAN BEING IS CURSED: MAN WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD- BUT WAS DEPRIVED OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND THE POWER OF GOD. That is not BLESSEDNESS! That is ACCURSEDNESS! The creatures that do not even have the Image of God are even more accursed. Every Human Being has been Cursed by God, and the Purpose of The Gospel of Lord Yeshua is to neutralize this COMPOUND CURSE, and replace It with BLESSEDNESS on every Front, Back, Top, Bottom, and Side. jesusjnr: YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE TRUE STATE OF MAN HAS LED YOU TO BLASPHEME. THE GOSPEL OF MAMMON cannot come from Hell. THE GOSPEL OF POVERTY cannot come from Hell. The PERVERSION of The Gospels of POVERTY/MAMMON come from SATAN. Nothing Satanic comes from Hell: it is HEADED TOWARDS HELL. It is OYINBO MYTHOLOGY that says that SATAN is LUCIFER, and that THE DEVIL is THE KING OF HELL. That is STUPID! That is like saying that an INMATE is the KING of a Prison! Even if he is PABLO ESCOBAR- who BUILT the prison he was jailed in- and left when he had had enough- no PRISONER is RULER of any PRISON. If that were the case, it would no longer be a PRISON! In using that language, you show that you are ruled by OYINBO SUPERSTITIONS, and not THE WORD OF GOD. The most Blessed Man who ever walked the Earth was LORD YESHUA (*Duh!*) who, was accursed throughout his Ministry- merely less so than other Prophets. He was much more Wealthy than Solomon, who had access to a MOUNTAIN of Gold- by application of Wisdom. Lord Yeshua could CREATE anything he needed by Spiritual Power: if he had needed a mountain of Gold, he would have had it. He was chased around the country by his enemies: THAT IS NOT A [i]BLESSING! He was sold into Slavery, and Beaten upon: THAT IS NOT A BLESSING. He was CRUCIFIED TO DEATH: that is not a Blessing! Upon his Resurrection, he was DENIED the option of facing his accusers, and showing them that GOD had OVERRULED their Judgment. That is NOT a BLESSING! Lord Yeshua might be more Blessed than any other Man, but there are Blessings he has not fully, if at all, acquired, and curses he has not fully, if at all, nullified. It is the TASK of THE CHURCH to VINDICATE our Lord and his GOSPEL: only when we have done that, can he return to the Earth to be seen by all. jesusjnr: POSSESSION OR DEPRIVATION OF RICHES AND WEALTH INDICATES HOW BLESSED OR ACCURSED A PERSON IS. Unless you are so shallow-minded, that you only look at the MONEY and PROPERTY and HOW it is acquired. A FOOL would say that it does not matter HOW they acquired Wealth- just so long as they had it. Okay, if your "Horrorscope" said that you would acquire a BOULDER of PURE GOLD today, you might be very happy- until you saw it falling on you- with no chance to escape! Most Wealthy people have their money that way: IT IS IN AN ACCIDENT WITH THEM- they COLLIDED with it! For example, STEVE JOBS and BILL GATES got their start in the Computer Industry by legally acquiring other people's ideas, and patenting them as their own. They became two of the richest men on Earth. Steve Jobs used Mind-Altering Drugs to spark his creativity. Overuse of them evidently gave him PANCREATIC CANCER. The circle of "FRIENDS" that he made does not seem to have told him how he could cure his Cancer. He even used his money to buy another person's Pancreas to replace his own, but it didn't work. He died stupidly. BILL GATES is surely suffering the penalty of his misdeeds- it just isn't being publicized. He was exposed on TED, boasting that he was using VACCINES to curtail the surplus (i.e. THIRD WORLD!) Population Growth. This is not a well man! The end result of this lifestyle is not even HELL: it is to be EATEN by Devils at the time of Death. The absorption of Spiritual Energy needed for Perception and Cognition by excessive Material Possessions leads to THAT fate. Poor people as well as wealthy experience it. Only the Poor have a greater chance of escaping, because they do not have so much to give up, and are not as attached to it. jesusjnr: LORD YESHUA'S REBUKE WAS NOT ABOUT RICHES BEING WRONG, BUT HOW THEY WERE ACQUIRED. The Pharisees were making money from CORRUPTING THE LAW. .. [b]LUKE 16:1-15. AND he Said also unto his Disciples, "There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. 2. "And he called him, and said unto him, 'HOW IS IT THAT I HEAR THIS OF THEE? GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF THY STEWARDSHIP; FOR THOU MAYEST BE NO LONGER STEWARD.' 3. "Then the steward said within himself, 'WHAT SHALL I DO? FOR MY LORD TAKETH AWAY FROM ME THE STEWARDSHIP: I CANNOT DIG, TO BEG I AM ASHAMED. 4. 'I AM RESOLVED WHAT TO DO, THAT, WHEN I AM PUT OUT OF THE STEWARDSHIP, THEY MAY RECEIVE ME INTO THEIR HOUSES.' 5. "So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him, and said unto the first, 'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU UNTO MY LORD?' 6. "And he said, 'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF OIL.' And he said unto him, 'TAKE THY BILL, AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY, AND WRITE FIFTY.' 7. "Then said he to another, 'AND HOW MUCH OWEST THOU?' And he said, 'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF WHEAT.' And he said unto him, 'TAKE THY BILL, AND WRITE FOURSCORE.' 8. "And the lord commended the Unjust Steward, because he had done wisely: for The Children of this World are in their Generation wiser than The Children of Light. 9. "And I Say unto you, 'MAKE TO YOURSELVES FRIENDS OF THE MAMMON OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS; THAT, WHEN YE FAIL, THEY MAY RECIEVE YOU INTO EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.' 10. "He that is Faithful in that which is Least is Faithful also in Much: and he that is Unjust in the Least is Unjust also in Much. 11. "If therefore ye have not been Faithful in the Unrighteous Mammon, who will commit to your trust The True Riches? 12. "And if ye have not been Faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? 13. "No Servant can serve two Masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon." 14. And the Pharisees also, who were Covetous, heard all these things, and they derided him. 15. And he Said unto them, "Ye are they which justify yourselves before Men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is Highly Esteemed amongst Men is Abomination in The Sight of God." IF THEY SHOULD HAVE REPENTED, AND GIVEN UP A SIGNIFICANT FRACTION OF THEIR WEALTH TO THE POOR, THEY WOULD HAVE REGAINED ENOUGH SPIRITUAL ENERGY TO UNDERSTAND AND USE THE GOSPEL. The most important difference between giving to the (supposed) House of God, and giving to the Poor, is that if you do not give to the Poor, you do not have to deal with them and their Problems. Which makes it unlikely that you will ever learn how to solve those Problems, if you never had those experiences. The Richest man on Earth is less than a Beggar in Heaven. The Knowledge of how to succeed as a BEGGAR on Earth, to become a veritable KING, is APPLICABLE in Heaven, where one STARTS FROM ZERO-PRESENCE, and ZERO-POSSESSION, then attains GOD-LEVEL, with DUE DILIGENCE. These are the sort of people whom God is looking for.
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Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by oaroloye(m): 4:42am On Dec 02, 2019 |
MISHIGAS! Have any of you even bothered to read the lives of ELIJAH and ELISHA? IF YOU KNEW WHAT ELIJAH AND ELISHA EXPERIENCED, YOU WOULD HAVE NO DIFFICULTY IN UNDERSTANDING WHY THEY CHOSE POVERTY!
I know that you have been told not to listen to me, nor contribute to my Ministry. Those who told you so are your True Enemies. What I tell you is of the utmost importance, and there is nothing funny about it. Remember that you will have to give account of why you did not apply The Truths I have apprised you of. Remember that you will have to give account of your whole life at the time of your death, and that if you cannot do that, you will have no AfterLife. Remember that no one else is telling you these things that I tell you. . MATTHEW 12:22-37. 22. Then was brought unto him one possessed with a Devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23. And all the people were amazed, and said, "Is not this The Son of David?" 24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the Prince of the Devils." 25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and Said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26. "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his Kingdom stand? 27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28. "But if I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God, then The Kingdom of God is come unto you. 29. "Or else how can one enter into a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods, except he first bind the Strong Man? And then he will spoil his House. 30. "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31. "Wherefore I Say unto you, 'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN: BUT THE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN.' 32. "And whosoever speaketh a word against The Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against The Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this World, neither in the World to come. 33. "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34. "O generation of Vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35. "A Good man out of the Good Treasure of the heart bringeth forth Good Things: and an Evil man out of the Evil Treasure bringeth forth Evil Things. 36. "But I Say unto you, 'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK, THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.' “ 37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." EVERY SINGLE THING WE EXPERIENCE IN LIFE WAS CHOSEN BY US; WE CAN EXPERIENCE NOTHING THAT WE HAVE NOT CHOSEN TO EXPERIENCE. . LUKE 5:36-39. 36. And he Spake also a Parable unto them; "No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. 37. "And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38. "But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. 39. "No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith,' 'THE OLD IS BETTER.' " Objection to my Teachings is the sign that you are not Saved. I am well aware that not one person on NAIRALAND likes my Religious Posts, and everybody wants me gone, because they love Mercenary Unjust Stewards, who tell you anything in order to get you to give them money. I know that none of you listen, and none of you believe me, when I tell you that you all chose to use less than 10% of your Consciousness, and no more than 1% of your awareness. Only operating according to my directions- implementing BARNABAS' Interpretation of the KOSHER/TREIF LAW of LEVITICUS 11:1-47, and LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD'S Secret Interpretation of MATTHEW 18:1-35, that he called "DIANETICS," can you restore your Consciousness and Awareness to 100%. But you have chosen to be the most ridiculous runts and cripples in the Eyes of Heaven. Nobody could choose that for you. Not GOD, and not SATAN. This is on YOU, and on the PARENTS YOU CHOSE over GOD!
Ignoring The Truths I tell does not make them cease to exist, nor absolve you of liability. COMMONSENSE SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU ALL, THAT ELIJAH SURVIVED JEZEBEL'S PURGE, BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONLY PROPHET WHO DIDN'T OWN A HOUSE. Elisha learned from that. The only times people successfully came to specifically assassinate them were times they stayed at a fixed location. Those were the only times they actually found their targets. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by oaroloye(m): 8:22am On Dec 02, 2019 |
SHALOM! Some additional Historical data here: . THE DIDACHE 11:1-12:5. WHOSOEVER then comes and teaches you all these things aforesaid, receive him. 2. But if the teacher himself be perverted and teach another doctrine to destroy these things, do not listen to him, but if his teaching be for the increase of righteousness and knowledge of the Lord, receive him as the Lord. 3. And concerning the Apostles and Prophets, act thus according to the ordinance of the Gospel. 4. Let every Apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord, 5. But let him not stay more than one day, or if need be a second as well; but if he stay three days, he is a false prophet. 6. And when an Apostle goes forth let him accept nothing but bread till he reach his night's lodging; but if he ask for money, he is a false prophet. 7. Do not test or examine any prophet who is speaking in a spirit, "FOR EVERY SIN SHALL BE FORGIVEN, BUT THIS SIN SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN." 8. But not everyone who speaks in a spirit is a prophet, except he have the behaviour of the Lord. From his behaviour, then, the false prophet and the true prophet shall be known. 9. And no prophet who orders a meal in a spirit shall eat of it: otherwise he is a false prophet. 10. And every prophet who teaches truth, if he do not what he teaches, is a false prophet. 11. But no prophet who has been tried and is genuine, though he enact a worldly mystery of the Church, if he teach not others to do what he does himself, shall be judged by you: for he has his judgment with God, for so also did the prophets of old. 12. But whosoever shall say in a spirit "GIVE ME MONEY, OR SOMETHING ELSE," you shall not listen to him; but if he tell you to give on behalf of others in want, let none judge him. LET everyone who "comes in the Name of the Lord" be received; but when you have tested him you shall know him, for you shall have understanding of true and false. 2. If he who comes is a traveller, help him as much as you can, but he shall not remain with you more than two days, or, if need be, three. 3. And if he wishes to settle among you and has a craft, let him work for his bread. 4. But if he has no craft provide for him according to your understanding, so that no man shall live among you in idleness because he is a Christian. 5. But if he will not do so, he is making traffic of Christ; beware of such. THESE ANCIENT BELIEFS MAKES THE CATHEDRAL AND COMPLEX-BUILDING PROPHETS OF NOWADAYS LOOK RIDICULOUS! Nonetheless, I have taught that the so-called "APOSTLES" deliberately SABOTAGED CHRISTIANITY with False, Anti-Gospel Teachings. . MATTHEW 7:12-29. 12. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is The Law and The Prophets. 13. "Enter ye in at The Strait Gate: for wide is the Gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to Destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14. "Because strait is the Gate, and narrow is The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and few there be that find it. 15. "Beware of False Prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17. "Even so every Good Tree bringeth forth Good Fruit; but a Corrupt Tree bringeth forth Evil Fruit. 18. "A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit, neither can a Corrupt Tree bring forth Good Fruit. 19. "Every tree that bringeth not forth Good Fruit is hewn down, and cast into the Fire. 20 Wherefore by their Fruits ye shall know them. 21. "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into The Kingdom of Heaven; but He that doeth The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven. 22 Many will say to me in That Day, 'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?' 23. "And then will I profess unto them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.' 24. "Therefore whosoever heareth These Sayings of mine, and doeth Them, I will liken him unto a Wise Man, which built his house upon a rock: 25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 . "And every one that heareth These Sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a Foolish Man, which built his house upon the sand: 27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." 28. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these Sayings, the people were astonished at his Doctrine: 29. For He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. IT IS A SUITABLE EXERCISE FOR A CHRISTIAN TO SIT DOWN AND COMPARE THE TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA TO THE REST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT ESTEEMING EVERY CONTRADICTION TO BE FALSE PROPHECY AND FALSE TEACHING. The Colonial Oyinbos successfully confused their victims by insisting that every verse of The Bible is "THE WORD OF GOD." Of course, they withhold the facts of how The Bible was compiled in the first case. How books were added and subtracted, edited and truncated to fit political and philosophical agendas. For instance: 1st JOHN 5:7 did not fit ORIGEN ADAMANTIUS' ARIAN Agenda, so he removed it from the version he gave to Bishop EUSEBIUS of Caesarea for Emperor CONSTANTINE'S Roman Catholic Church. This enables you to easily identify a Roman Catholic Bible. Why would a PROTESTANT be using a Roman Catholic Bible, except they were an undercover agent of the Pope? Therefore, they will be using "THE DEAD BIBLE," "THE BAD NEWS BIBLE," and other Riddles and Jokes, setting back the Reformation by 500 years, as excuses for preaching False Doctrines. . ACTS 5:1-11. BUT a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2. And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the Apostles' feet. 3. But Peter said, "Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4. "Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? And after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? Why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God." 5. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8. And Peter answered unto her, "Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?" And she said, "Yea, for so much." 9. Then Peter said unto her, "How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt The Spirit of The Lord? Behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out." 10. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11. And great fear came upon all the Church, and upon as many as heard these things. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THESE SO-CALLED DISCIPLES MADE IT INTO HEAVEN! They just abandoned Lord Yeshua's most Fundamental Teachings, right there! . MATTHEW 5:38-48. 38. "Ye have heard that it hath been said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39. "But I Say unto you, 'THAT YE RESIST NOT EVIL: BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL SMITE THEE ON THY RIGHT CHEEK, TURN TO HIM THE OTHER ALSO.' 40. "And if any man will sue thee at The Law, and take away thy coat, let him have (thy) cloke also. 41. "And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42. "Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43. "Ye have heard that it hath been said, 'THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AND HATE THINE ENEMY.' 44. "But I Say unto you, 'LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU, DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU, AND PRAY FOR THEM WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU AND PERSECUTE YOU.' 45. "That ye may be the Children of your Father Which is in Heaven: for He maketh His Sun to rise on the Evil and on the Good, and sendeth Rain on the Just and on the Unjust. 46. "For if ye love them which love you, what Reward have ye? Do not even the Publicans the same? 47. "And if ye salute your Brethren only, what do ye more (than others) Do not even the Publicans so? 48. "Be ye therefore Perfect, even as your Father Which is in Heaven is Perfect." LORD YESHUA COMMANDED TO GIVE TO HIM THAT ASKETH. He didn't put a TIME LIMIT on how much you gave. The Disciples allegedly did. Not only that, they even sentenced those who didn't bring what they thought they were due to death. . MATTHEW 18:15-35. 15. "Moreover if thy Brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy Brother. 16. "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, 'THAT IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY WORD MAY BE ESTABLISHED.' 17. "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the Church: but if he neglect to hear the Church, let him be unto thee as an Heathen man and a Publican. 18. "Verily I Say unto you, 'WHATSOEVER YE SHALL BIND ON EARTH SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN: AND WHATSOEVER YE SHALL LOOSE ON EARTH SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN.' 19. "Again I Say unto you, 'THAT IF TWO OF YOU SHALL AGREE ON EARTH AS TOUCHING ANY THING THAT THEY SHALL ASK, IT SHALL BE DONE FOR THEM OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.' 20. "For where two or three are gathered together in my Name, there am I in the midst of them. 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, "Lord, how oft shall my Brother Sin against me, and I forgive him? Till seven times?"" 22. Jesus Saith unto him, "I Say not unto thee, 'UNTIL SEVEN TIMES:' but, 'UNTIL SEVENTY TIMES SEVEN.' 23. "Therefore is the Kingdom of Heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24. "And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25. "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26. "The servant therefore fell down and worshipped him, saying, 'LORD, HAVE PATIENCE WITH ME, AND I WILL PAY THEE ALL.' 27. "Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28. "But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, 'PAY ME THAT THOU OWEST.' 29. "And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, [b][i]'HAVE PATIENCE WITH ME, AND I WILL PAY THEE ALL.' 30. "And he would not: but went and cast hiinto Prison, till he should pay the Debt. 31. "So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32. "Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, 'O THOU WICKED SERVANT, I FORGAVE THEE ALL THAT DEBT, BECAUSE THOU DESIREDST ME: 33. 'SHOULDEST NOT THOU ALSO HAVE HAD COMPASSION ON THY FELLOWSERVANT, EVEN AS I HAD PITY ON THEE?' 34. "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the Tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35. "So likewise shall my Heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses." DIVINE PROSPERITY CANNOT POSSIBLY WORK, AND "DIVINE POVERTY" YIELDS NO SIGNIFICANT SPIRITUAL REWARD WHATSOEVER, WHEN THEY ARE NOT EXECUTED WITH FORGIVENESS AS ONE WANTS GOD TO FORGIVE THEM. Foolish Christians think that God forgave their Sins, so that they could condemn and punish others for their perceived Sins! |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 8:15am On Dec 03, 2019 |
Imagine some church leaders and members that have not been able to talk with God face to face as Moses was able to do, are yet saying that they cannot be poor because they don't serve a poor God. So are they trying to tell us that Moses who was a poor man served a poor God? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 9:59am On Dec 04, 2019 |
The gospel of mammon teaches that "Poverty is a curse", and Moses who God used to do all those wonders in Egypt was a poor man. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 1:57pm On Dec 05, 2019 |
The gospel of mammon teaches that poverty was a choice, so did Moses who God used to bring water out of a rock for the children of Israel to drink choose poverty, because he was a poor man? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 1:48pm On Dec 06, 2019 |
Elijah and Moses the two men who stood with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration were both poor men while they were on Earth, and yet the gospel of mammon teaches that poverty was a curse. The gospel of mammon is a curse to all those who preach and believe it. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 7:12pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Was the God of Elisha who lived in abject poverty also a poor God? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 4:40pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
jesusjnr:Elisha the prophet of God, was also a poor man. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 4:54pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
Poverty among Prophets of those days was not a curse,but a choice based on the office of prophet most of them took oat of poverty, take the Jesuits for example. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 11:26am On Dec 09, 2019 |
jesusjnr:Elisha was an abjectly poor man like Elijah. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 6:56pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
euromilion:So Daniel the prophet didn't take this so-called oath of poverty you're talking about. The extent you guys go to justify this demonic gospel is alarming. The Truth is that it wasn't up to them to choose but God. Thanks and God bless. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 10:30am On Dec 10, 2019 |
How about John the Baptist who lived in abject poverty, for those who say they can't be poor because their God is not a poor God? So was his God poor? |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by CodeTemplar: 12:29pm On Dec 10, 2019 |
Someone has disowned Jesus and is now following John the Baptist. Very soon you will claim say u have invent wireless holy spirit device that can fill believers with true The Holy Spirit. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 8:53pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
CodeTemplar:If you could defend Jesus and His Words the way you do the gospel of mammon and her preachers, you'd be a great man of God. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 10:02am On Dec 12, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Peter who Jesus appointed leader over His church was also a poor man: Acts 3:6 (KJV) 6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. |
Re: Was The God Of The Poor Apostles And Prophets Of Old, A Poor God? by Nobody: 2:29pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
The gospel of mammon teaches that a rich man is blessed simply because of riches, regardless of how he made them, whether he had gotten them through illicit means, he is blessed. Even if he likes let him be wicked and disobedient to God as the rich man in hell, it doesn't matter because he is blessed according to the gospel of mammon. Luke 16:22-24 (KJV) 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. I spit on that demonic gospel from hell that has taken many there. |
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