gare:


Do you see them go to court and arrest people when they do it is called covert and can't be traced back to those in government, theirs is done in an orderly fashion unlike ours.

ColonelEmeka:
*Sips wine and smiles*

Our human rights noise makers who call USA and UK should come and read and see what happens in "saner climes"

Come and see what their version of DSS are authorized to do and then call them to come and set your own house in order when their own house is in shambles

*sips more wine*

linearity:


Click the link and re-read against.

Go beyond the headline which is sensational and a clickbait.

The ruling states, this is for agents in covert operations, that if agent from MI5 is embedded as an infiltrator inside a gang, this ruling states they can act along and carry out the criminal activities of the gang, so that their cover cannot be blown.

To expect otherwise is ludicrous and puts the undercover agents lives in harms way. And this is the practice worldwide and not in anyway a license to kill or to usurp the rights of brits to due process.

pnarthanyl:
you're a fool sir, UK has DSS Mi5 or Mi6 is different.

ColonelEmeka:


Mi5 are their own version of DSS we have here. They work solely inside the UK. M15 is a secret Intelligent unit primarily deals with internal affairs. The Great MI6 deals with foreign affairs which has to do with the UK or not

*Gulps wine*

ColonelEmeka:


A lot of you read but never understand anything you read.

The interpreted law does not mention criminals ordering the agents to murder, kidnap or torture but said Mi5 Can make this order...

Abeg read ooo



Have you read it well now since you are misinforming yourself

*sips wine*

ColonelEmeka:
*Sips wine and smiles*

Our human rights noise makers who call USA and UK should come and read and see what happens in "saner climes"

Come and see what their version of DSS are authorized to do and then call them to come and set your own house in order when their own house is in shambles

*sips more wine*

ColonelEmeka:
So on what grounds then should USA and UK interfere in Nigerias internal affairs when they also put National security above Rule of law?

*Sips more wine and grins*

Maduawuchukwu:



The ruling relates to agents who are embeded in criminal groups otherwise called agent privocateurs. It gives them the right to participate in the activities of the criminal groups they are embedded in so as to not blow their cover. It is not the same with Sowores case. You are not smart.

ColonelEmeka:
*Sips wine and smiles*

Our human rights noise makers who call USA and UK should come and read and see what happens in "saner climes"

Come and see what their version of DSS are authorized to do and then call them to come and set your own house in order when their own house is in shambles

*sips more wine*

Vortex369:


Substrate level Illiterate; Google Agenda 21.

NaMeAboki:


I was not referring to this particular case that concerns the MI5 in the UK but in the generality of issues that concern national security threats.
The 1st paragraph of my post was very clear and explicit on this - assuming can read and comprehend, Mr. Smart Aleck

southpole:
It is such laws that make their citizens more patriotic, the fear of punishment is what is making them to behave well not that they are doing it willingly.

southpole:
The power to kill, kidnap and torture as given to the MI5 does not require legal or due process. It has been a practice by intelligence services all over the word. Don't bring issues of legal or due process in this.

ColonelEmeka:


Sub par illiterate who thinks Agenda 21 has anything to do with Terror or security services or even anything remotely in the OP.

*Sips your brain*

Vortex369:


You have been schooled.

Scoring a zero before the point does not make you an improper fraction, it makes you a decimal. There is no tear on any armor plate here.

Storms in tea cups are seen as hurricanes by pathogens, and my tea seen as Ocean obfuscates the mighty on your colony.

Should I rather spill the coffee to get rid of a nematode? May be I should, may be I shouldn't.

< End of Response/>
< Case Closed/>

Waakanda:
It simply means "they're above the law"... I thought only the Queen had that privilege.

#The Queen can do no wrong#

southpole:
he is not a fool, just as it is written, they are empowered to kidnap, kill and torture when it is a threat to national security.The fact that you don't support it does not change the meaning.

id4sho:
Seconded.
PMB should sponsor a bill and pass into law .
We need this in this country especially for our blodas from the East.

ColonelEmeka:
*Sips wine and smiles*

Our human rights noise makers who call USA and UK should come and read and see what happens in "saner climes"

Come and see what their version of DSS are authorized to do and then call them to come and set your own house in order when their own house is in shambles

*sips more wine*

ColonelEmeka:
*Sips wine and smiles*

Our human rights noise makers who call USA and UK should come and read and see what happens in "saner climes"

Come and see what their version of DSS are authorized to do and then call them to come and set your own house in order when their own house is in shambles

*sips more wine*

ColonelEmeka:


A lot of you read but never understand anything you read.

The interpreted law does not mention criminals ordering the agents to murder, kidnap or torture but said Mi5 Can make this order...

Abeg read ooo

Even yourself didn't understand what you claim to understand but it's alright, we are all mad na lol

Have you read it well now since you are misinforming yourself

*sips wine*

Maduawuchukwu:


Even going by that your argument,you still sound lame. Can you compare Sowore who "called" for a revolution to change Government with Alqaeda or ISIS? Who did Sowore kill? If Sowore calling for a protest is against national security then don't you think anybody who opposes the government of the day can be dubbed a national security threat and kept in jail? Secondly, Sowore is a Nigerian whose rights are protected by the Nigerian Constitution and so the Nigeria Government cannot treat him like how the US treated Alqaeda terrorists who are not American terrorists.

NaMeAboki:


Pls free yourself from your seemingly imprisoned shallow mind and narrow perspective and subsequently face the true realities on the ground.
A person does not have to kill anyone to pose a threat to national govts; neither does his or his group's modus operandi matter in that respect - both Al-Qaeda and Sowore were national threats to the American and Nigerian govts respectively.
Al-Qaeda are basically against American foreign policy and its influence in their own lands and way of life; they were never an immediate threat to American democracy or government; yet they were pick up fighting in their own countries and imprisoned without trial for simply violently opposing American foreign interest.
On the other hand, Sowore having participated and woefully failed in the democratic process of presidential election, commenced a process to illegally topple a legitimately elected govt of the people; including openly conniving with an already declared exiled enemy of the state; neither could he been considered ignorant of the implications of his proposed actions - based on his repeated utterances.

In Nigeria, Sowore was taken to court and even granted bail for which he immediately violated right there in the court house by giving press statements soon after his bail release - this contrary to worldwide norms for a person charged with treasonable felony where bail is not granted.

No, Sowore was not organising ordinary protests but a revolution with a mission to illegally sack a democratically elected sitting govt. - his words:

I AM NOT TALKING OF PROTESTS. I'M EMBARKING ON REVOLUTION. 85% OF NIGERIANS ARE IN SUPPORT. DON'T TELL ME ABOUT LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OR WHAT A JUDGE WOULD SAY, I DON'T CARE...WE MUST BUNDLE BUHARI OUT OF THAT PLACE.......THE DSS SHALL SEIZE TO EXIST ....Sowore on July 25 2019.

The above cannot be considered a empty threats; because we all know that Sowore has the capacity (his Sahara Reporters media house) to mobilise ppl as well as the potential to secure hidden backers to sponsor his illegal revolution/coup against a legitimate govt.

BTW, compare American law and punishment for revolution against Sowore's actions.

WHAT IS THE PENALTY (PUNISHMENT) FOR CALLING FOR A REVOLUTION IN THE U.S

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.....

Maduawuchukwu:


First and foremost, Protests to ensure the resignation of government are not and cannot be illegal. They are part and parcel of the Democratic process. Have you seen anybody arrested in the US for participating in the "not my President" Protests? Trying to say Sowore tried to illegally overthrow the government is simply being mischevious.

Secondly even if Sowore's intention was treasonable, which is clearly not,he still should not be charged with treason as he did not take any covert step to achieve a treasonable action. Having the "potential" to commit a crime can never be a basis to convict one of a crime.

In your post on what constitutes treason in the USA, I saw use of "Force or Violence" clearly stated there. Protests are not classified as use of Force under Nigerian laws or the laws of any Democratic society sef. So that provision if imported to Nigeria cannot apply to Sowore's case.
Lastly, even if Sowore violated his bail terms,it is not for the DSS to determine and rearrest him. The DSS ought to take it to the courts to determine and revoke his bail after which he can be rearrested. That is basic law that you supporters of Buhari have refused to acknowledge because of your brain dead support for Buhari.

What is a revolution defined as?

revolution
/rɛvəˈluːʃ(ə)n/
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noun
1.
a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favour of a new system.

(culled from Oxford dictionary)

or

Whats does revolution mean?
an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed. Sociology. a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, especially one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence.

(Culled from https://www.dictionary.com)

Or

Definition of 'revolution'

revolution
(revəluːʃən )
Word forms: plural revolutions
1. COUNTABLE NOUN
A revolution is a successful attempt by a large group of people to change the political system of their country by force.

(Culled from collins Dictionary)

Or

revolution
noun
UK /ˌrev.əˈluː.ʃən/ US /ˌrev.əˈluː.ʃən/
revolution noun (POLITICS)

B2 [ C or U ]
a change in the way a country is governed, usually to a different political system and often using violence or war:

(Culled from Cambridge Dictionary)

AkeNathan:


Cc;Aufbauh


You are not wise at all.

The U.K are a very developed Democracy.

Their democracy thrives to the point where recent Governments have never been accused of abuse of power.

In contrast with a country like Nigeria, ridden with a history of presidents who have excessively abused their powers.

It is too early to call for us as a Nation.

Stop clamouring for the introduction into our society, what saner climes introduced into theirs due to their record of transparency. We are not yet ripe for that. And it may take us 200 more years to be.