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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by BabaRamota1980: 7:58pm On Dec 23, 2019
sissoko22:


Muslims don't and will not hate Christians, the narratives by Western and local media to generalise or represent the entire population of Muslims across the globe or here in Nigeria for a stup*d action of one mutalib or a group of deranged basta#d is crazy and having Christian population buying into the narrative is worrisome.

Focus on this issue raised by Western Journalists and leave Muttallib out of it.

True or false that Fulani, by your historical footprints delight in blood letting? How are you different from whites in barbarism?

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Kingspin(m): 8:10pm On Dec 23, 2019
sissoko22:


Muslims don't and will not hate Christians, the narratives by Western and local media to generalise or represent the entire population of Muslims across the globe or here in Nigeria for a stup*d action of one mutalib or a group of deranged basta#d is crazy and having Christian population buying into the narrative is worrisome.
How can you kill or destroy life or property of person you clain to love? What type of love is that?

Again, why would very little misunderstand weather between a Muslims or Christians or between a Muslims- Muslim end up at Christian been murdered?

Let me share with you my experience after staying with some young Muslims. I discovered why most attack against Christains has to do with wrong teaching. They impart this wrong teaching (hate) the child is too young and at that age everything you told him or her become true and way of life.

I stayed in a Muslims country before i don't hate Muslims only killing.

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Kingspin(m): 8:51pm On Dec 23, 2019
azikiweironsi:

You are a true Historian. Highly intelligent and very apt in your write-up.
They still harbour the bitterness against a tribe for not supporting their moves in the last election. Since then they referred to us as betrayal. But they forgot that they had the same way supported Shagari a Northerner in Second regime( NPN) and heads were not rolled. Nobody called them all manners of names, Nigeria was not called Zoo. No marginalization etc.
Confused set of people.
Zoo or confuse people. Oil or no oil many ibos want out from Nigeria. If you doubt let UN conduct a referendum now? What lead to Nigerian war is the same problem of today, not necessary oil. The problem was not solved then and now.

A country where some people are working hard some are not but will share the money.

Havent you had about restructuring where people will have to work from their village not Abuja.

The Way Nigeria is structure no good country work like that. And such system will never ever work.

But why are some people upset when they hear fairness or what upset others when people want to leave a union. All they need is your support. If they suffer or do well thereafter is non of your business. And i don't think the ibos will reject/stop any group from leaving Nigeria

Just last week I met a profession, non-Nigerian. He told me about Nigeria and Africa that one day Nigeria will break up one day maybe not in this generation. He once met Nigerian ex-head of state, OBj and he currently writing a book about Africa.

As for what is happening, Nigeria is a mess.

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Isahalbash(m): 9:03pm On Dec 23, 2019
bilulu:

Many muslims don’t take nomads as muslims but they can lead prayers in the mosque while a Yoruba muslim can not.... my brother which ever way you want to argue it they re all Fulanis and they re the head of Islam in Nigeria


You're just talking out of ignorance. what do you mean by " Many muslims don’t take nomads as muslims but they can lead prayers in the mosque while a Yoruba muslim can not?"

can't you see you're even contradicting yourself? who are the " many Muslims?"


Besides, using same logic, how many muslims are leading prayers in Yoruba dominated areas?
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by vannessa7(f): 11:59pm On Dec 23, 2019
hammerU:



AT BOLD, BUT YOU WILL FOLLOW FULANI BLINDLY?



LET ME ASK U, ARE FULANI FROM NIGERIA?


DO U KNOW WHERE TO LOCATE FULANI LAND IN NIGERIA?


DO FULANI HAVE LAND IN NIGERIA?


YORUBA MUSLIMS WILL FOLLOW FULANI FOREIGNERS RATHER THAN THEIR IGBO NEIGHBORS?


STOP MENTIONING YORUBA IN YOUR POST, BE MORE SPECIFIC AND SAY YORUBA MUSLIM, BECOS DAT IS WAT U REPRESENT, NOT YORUBA.


I REFUSE TO BELIEVE YORUBA ARE DUNCES, EVEN YOUR VOTING REFLECT A DIVISION, SO STICK TO YOUR YORUBA MUSLIM. AFONJA!

Its your delusion that Yoruba's follow any body blindly, we are the most independent minded, whereas yorubas are forming institutions and pioneering new missions your people have not been able to depart from colonial Masters tutelage with your Catholicism and slave victim mentality, you think hawking goods and amassing illegal wealth makes you relevant, it goes beyond that,
The division your people crave with the yoruba muslim lie does not exist and never will, envy and jealousy will never allow you to understand us, we still lead, others follow

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by hammerU: 12:30am On Dec 24, 2019
vannessa7:


Its your delusion that Yoruba's follow any body blindly, we are the most independent minded, whereas yorubas are forming institutions and pioneering new missions your people have not been able to depart from colonial Masters tutelage with your Catholicism and slave victim mentality, you think hawking goods and amassing illegal wealth makes you relevant, it goes beyond that,
The division your people crave with the yoruba muslim lie does not exist and never will, envy and jealousy will never allow you to understand us, we still lead, others follow
From then till now, wat has changed about islam?


U make alot of claims but no evidence support them.


Wat we see is Islam leading young men into violence and untimely death. The picture below is wat islam produced then (time of Mohammad) and now.(applicable to fulani and boko haram )


As for the rubbish you wrote above, come back with something better.

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by vannessa7(f): 12:47am On Dec 24, 2019
franchasng:
You sound intelligent but misinformed. No doubt you are an intelligent person but Lagos-Ibadan expressway Yoruba media have misinformed you and many Yorubas like you for decades now.


First, crude oil was never the cause of the 1967 civil war, it was the 1966 Northern pogrom and Gowon's refusal to stop it that led to the civil war. You can grab foreign journalists account of the events of 1966 -1970 to learn the truth.

Secondly, Ojukwu did not declare war on Nigeria, Ojukwu acted to safeguard Eastern Nigeria from Northern annihilation and persecution of Igbos through the Nigerian government/army backed 1966 pogrom in the north, so it was Gowon that declared Police action against Biafra to return Biafra back to Nigeria by force which led to the civil war.

If Ojukwu did not do what he did by summoning Igbo and today Niger Delta leaders from all works of life on what to do to end the Eastern Nigeria persecution via pogrom which Gowon intentionally refused to stop, maybe half of Igbos and some Niger Deltas would have been wiped out in that 1966 pogrom.


Ojukwu, Azikiwe, Aguiyi Ironsi from the onset hated disintegration or division of Nigeria and even stopped Adaka Boro from trying to secede Niger Delta from Nigeria, but the pogrom pushed Ojukwu into declaring Biafra independence out of no other choice but to protect the Igbos and other tribes that made up the then Eastern Nigeria, it had nothing to do with crude oil or greed because Ojukwu as at then was like a Prime Minister of Eastern Nigeria and also the son of the richest man in Nigeria and Africa then and one of Nigerian Army top officers with bright future.

Again, the 1966 coup that was falsely tagged Igbo coup was never an Igbo coup because the coupists comprised of young soldiers from Igbo, Yoruba, Idoma, Plateau, Hausa-Fulani, Birom, Ijaw, etc but Nigerian Government carefully hid the names of the rest of the coupists from other tribes just to tag the coup an Igbo coup whereas the young soldiers acted on their own decision without consulting any Igbo forum or elites and even the coup leader that Igbos defended and stood by him was from Okpanam, a community in today Asaba Delta state who sometimes deny today that they are not Igbos.

It is also worthy of note to note that Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu the coup leader who led the coupists in Kaduna went to Saudana's residence in company of northern soldiers, and Nzeogwu was not even armed, but the northern soldiers among them were armed and even helped to pull down Saudana's residence' gate to make way for them to enter his residence....so if it was an Igbo coup, why didn't they shoot Nzeogwu an Igbo man leading them to kill their northern leader This is one sad truth the Yoruba controlled media at that time hid from Nigerians and reason they erased history from Nigeria's syllabus just to hide the truths and keep peddling lies against Igbos in their effort to silence Igbos their biggest threat and challenger stopping them from Islamizing Nigeria as commanded by Uthman Dan Fodio.


Again, mind you, Igbos had no reason to carry out any tribal coup in 1966 when Igbos dominated every sector of Nigeria back then. Igbo man was the President (Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe), Igbo man was the Senate President (Nwafor Orizu), Igbo man was the richest man in Nigeria and West Africa then (Ojukwu's father), Igbo man was Nigeria's Chief of Army Staff (Maj. Gen. Aguiyi Ironsi), and so many others that I wouldn't want to bore you with.


Yorubas have always wished to take the place of Igbos in Nigeria after independence and the coup and civil war that followed gave them that opportunity to start pretentious romance and fake alliance with the north out of selfish desires to dominate Nigeria's national politics, leadership and economy.


Yorubas have a price, once you offer them their price, they betray their alliance, you can take it to bank, I have cited examples for you earlier.

As for Awolowo, it is on record, use Google, he committed suicide out of frustration and depression of the evil he supported while serving under Gowon and the northern betrayal after all the evil he committed for the North to convince them to help him become president just as Tinubu is doing today.

HOW CHIEF OBAFEMI AWOLOWO DIED

A probable cause of death Some reports alleged that Papa Awo committed self-murder because he wanted to stop the probable growth of military tribunal into an uprising. Chief Awolowo was going to drive it with his political allies. The main reason was the intention of General Ibrahim Babangida, Nigerian Military President, to keep the helm of the country for life at that time. Obafemi Awolowo planned to remove Ibrahim Babangida from power with the help of armed people insurrection. But, unfortunately, one of the participants in that campaign betrayed them and handed the record of the conspiracy to the military. When everything was revealed, General Babangida held a meeting to Chief Awolowo and threatened him with prison and exile. Then Papa Awo allegedly decided to commit self-murder instead of spending the rest of his life in prison.

But before that, Obafemi Awolowo gathered his ‘comrades-in-arms’ again. At that meeting, the name of their traitor was revealed. According to Nigerian politician Mr Adebayo Adeyinka, it was Chief Lateef Jakande, the former Executive Governor of Lagos State. Although Jakande denied his guilt, the evidence was against him. To tell the truth, the former Governor still denies that they had any disagreements with Papa Awo. Later Chief Awolowo took poison, but the public was told that he had died in the bathroom while brushing his teeth.

Source: https://www.legit.ng/1169589-what-led-death-chief-obafemi-awolowo.html

Even a baby when reading this your write up will realise its self serving and never the truth, you said ojukwu was wealthy as if you are talking to babies, what has wealth got to do with power and the future stupendous wealth to be gain from "our oyel" like you people will claim, the crude oil issue may not be touted as reason for ojukwu to declare independence of south east then but the other regions know the implications of such division, with the calculative and greedy mind of an Igbo man nobody will believe that you people will overlook the crude oil newly discovered.

As for Awolowo committing suicide, its just the lies haters of Awolowo like you love to tell yourselves and they are welcome to it, a 78 year old baba to you is not old enough to die, and even if he committed suicide he has a right to do whatever he likes just like your ojukwu decided to run away after killing millions of Igbo through greed, you think Awolowo with the massive support he had from Yoruba's home and abroad will be afraid of ibb threat?
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by franchasng: 8:54am On Dec 24, 2019
vannessa7:


Even a baby when reading this your write up will realise its self serving and never the truth, you said ojukwu was wealthy as if you are talking to babies, what has wealth got to do with power and the future stupendous wealth to be gain from "our oyel" like you people will claim, the crude oil issue may not be touted as reason for ojukwu to declare independence of south east then but the other regions know the implications of such division, with the calculative and greedy mind of an Igbo man nobody will believe that you people will overlook the crude oil newly discovered.

As for Awolowo committing suicide, its just the lies haters of Awolowo like you love to tell yourselves and they are welcome to it, a 78 year old baba to you is not old enough to die, and even if he committed suicide he has a right to do whatever he likes just like your ojukwu decided to run away after killing millions of Igbo through greed, you think Awolowo with the massive support he had from Yoruba's home and abroad will be afraid of ibb threat?
You are a woman, you are not arguing with facts, you are arguing with emotion, and its quite understandable...but I will keep enlightening you with facts, if you doubt whatever I say, make a finding from foreign sources to know the truth, don't rely on Lagos-Ibadan express media publications established by selfish Yoruba politicians to champion their personal political cause.


My uncle was a right hand man of Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu. He was a captain as at then and a Nigerian army band leader. He was among the soldiers that went to Saudana's residence. He told me a lot of secrets about the coup and the civil war. They never liked Ojukwu, Aguiyi Ironsi and Azikiwe because they were nationalists who wanted a one united Nigeria.

Ojukwu wanted a united Nigeria but the pogrom which Gowon refused to stop just as Buhari is refusing to stop Fulani herdsmen massacre of middlebelt people today was the reason Ojukwu called for independence of Biafra and he didn't wake up and declared it, he got the backing of Igbo and some Niger Delta leaders before he did.

Blame Gowon and the blood thirsty north for the civil war and not Ojukwu. This is where Yoruba media liars misinformed the Yorubas since 1966. Why not Google about the war and read foreign accounts by non Nigerian journalists. The eminent cause of the war was the 1966 northern pogrom.

Nzeogwu and the Igbo soldiers who carried out the first coup of 1966 made a huge mistake. And if they truly wanted to carry out a revolution, they ought to have killed Igbo leaders too like Nnamdi Azikiwe, etc to balance things, so they messed up and even my late uncle, and father, and every other reasonable Igbo man agreed that Nzeogwu and co messed up, we all know, we admit our errors unlike Yorubas who hardly agree to their mistake, they will always claim just and sophisticated even when it is glaring that they have messed up, they won't accept, another problem of the Yorubas.

Igbos lost a lot when Igbos were the ones controlling the affairs of Nigeria but the coup and civil war gave the opportunity for Igbos to start from zero, it was unfortunate. But don't you ever blame Ojukwu, Ojukwu did the right thing because if he had remained silent during the pogrom, the north would have finished Igbos in 1966 even when there was no war, so Ojukwu saved Igbos from total annihilation by the north during the unwarranted pogrom.

Instead of Yorubas to be honest and codemn the north and Gowon they rather hide the truth as usual and blame Ojukwu but when the pogrom was going on, Yorubas remained silent except for Wole Soyinka who condemned it back then.


The same thing is happening today. Fulani herdsmen terrorists are busy going about murdering Middlebelt people in their homes while the Nigerian army as alleged backs them up.....Igbos have been condemning this for so long, Yorubas remained silent as usual not until recently that the Fulanis brought the madness to Yoruba land that the Yorubas now started screaming fire fire like it started today....so do you think if it were to be in 1960s that we have brave and courageous soldiers from Middlebelt, this Fulani constant massacre of Middlebelt people is not enough to provoke Middlebelt soldiers to act or even challenge Buhari led government

You guys will just sit comfortably in your hut and be blaming people without considering the tight situation they are in.


I keep saying it, the problem of the Yorubas is selfishness and wickedness....they are too selfish, so long as an evil is not happening in their doorstep, they will never condemn it or join others to fight it....it is only when it gets to their doortstep that they start to scream fire.


But take a look at great nations like USA, France, Britain, etc....they don't wait for evil to get to their countries before they start to condemn and make effort to stop it....they can overlook all these Islamic terrorists killing their people in their countries in Middle-East, but they know that one day, these terrorists will bring their madness to their countries if they remain silent and not stop them fast! Yorubas need to learn from this, it is their greatest undoing....and yes, I know Igbos have their flaws....but go and ask anybody from any part of the world, Igbos always condemn injustice against anybody or race or tribe....we always carry it on our head like its our case, its our nature, we hate injustice!!!

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by bilulu(m): 12:07pm On Dec 24, 2019
Isahalbash:



You're just talking out of ignorance. what do you mean by " Many muslims don’t take nomads as muslims but they can lead prayers in the mosque while a Yoruba muslim can not?"

can't you see you're even contradicting yourself? who are the " many Muslims?"


Besides, using same logic, how many muslims are leading prayers in Yoruba dominated areas?



I simply followed ur lines where you said many muslims don’t take nomads serious.... I’m only trying to tell you that if nomads are not taken seriously why do dey lead prayers in the mosques while a Yoruba Muslim can’t? They re more regarded. In Yoruba dominated areas they rather ve their own mosques rather Dan attending a Yoruba mosque.... I guess u ve heard of dat phrase.... Yoruba mosque

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by bilulu(m): 12:08pm On Dec 24, 2019
mvem:
they haven't spoken much against them because they are same ethnic group
And same religion
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Isahalbash(m): 12:26pm On Dec 24, 2019
bilulu:

I simply followed ur lines where you said many muslims don’t take nomads serious.... I’m only trying to tell you that if nomads are not taken seriously why do dey lead prayers in the mosques while a Yoruba Muslim can’t? They re more regarded. In Yoruba dominated areas they rather ve their own mosques rather Dan attending a Yoruba mosque.... I guess u ve heard of dat phrase.... Yoruba mosque



Firstly, I was not the guy you quoted. Secondly, there's nothing like a Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani or whatever mosque. Most of the divisions in Islam is based on sectarianism not tribal.



In every mosque, they are selected people(2) who lead prayers- if they are not available, anyone else who's qualified can lead.



Now tell me, apart from Hausa dominated areas.. do the hausas' lead prayers where they are minority?
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Isahalbash(m): 12:30pm On Dec 24, 2019
bilulu:

I simply followed ur lines where you said many muslims don’t take nomads serious.... I’m only trying to tell you that if nomads are not taken seriously why do dey lead prayers in the mosques while a Yoruba Muslim can’t? They re more regarded. In Yoruba dominated areas they rather ve their own mosques rather Dan attending a Yoruba mosque.... I guess u ve heard of dat phrase.... Yoruba mosque


Yes, most nomad fulanis don't pray and no one considered them as Muslims not to talk of leading others in prayers.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Omoodua007: 12:39pm On Dec 24, 2019
vannessa7:


Its your delusion that Yoruba's follow any body blindly, we are the most independent minded, whereas yorubas are forming institutions and pioneering new missions your people have not been able to depart from colonial Masters tutelage with your Catholicism and slave victim mentality, you think hawking goods and amassing illegal wealth makes you relevant, it goes beyond that,
The division your people crave with the yoruba muslim lie does not exist and never will, envy and jealousy will never allow you to understand us, we still lead, others follow


Igbos are busy following white Jesus via Catholicism
Not different how Fulani is following Arabia Allah via Islam
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by sissoko22(m): 3:18pm On Dec 24, 2019
Kingspin:
How can you kill or destroy life or property of person you clain to love? What type of love is that?

Again, why would very little misunderstand weather between a Muslims or Christians or between a Muslims- Muslim end up at Christian been murdered?

Let me share with you my experience after staying with some young Muslims. I discovered why most attack against Christains has to do with wrong teaching. They impart this wrong teaching (hate) the child is too young and at that age everything you told him or her become true and way of life.

I stayed in a Muslims country before i don't hate Muslims only killing.

Most definitely, your problem is comprehension, you stay in no Muslim country.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by sissoko22(m): 3:23pm On Dec 24, 2019
bilulu:

I simply followed ur lines where you said many muslims don’t take nomads serious.... I’m only trying to tell you that if nomads are not taken seriously why do dey lead prayers in the mosques while a Yoruba Muslim can’t? They re more regarded. In Yoruba dominated areas they rather ve their own mosques rather Dan attending a Yoruba mosque.... I guess u ve heard of dat phrase.... Yoruba mosque

In all your argument, you're trying hard to downgrade the Yoruba Muslims in the Muslim communities in Nigeria. If you know just a little about Islam your comments might be different, Muslims look beyond tribes, age, and skin colour in choosing who lead us,.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by sissoko22(m): 4:09pm On Dec 24, 2019
BabaRamota1980:


Focus on this issue raised by Western Journalists and leave Muttallib out of it.

True or false that Fulani, by your historical footprints delight in blood letting? How are you different from whites in barbarism?

Living in Nigeria and acting not to no the difference between nomadic and house Fulani is the hight of hypocrisy. Most Muslims don't care anymore about the media trial and judgements passed on us. When you someone you automatically believed in any allegations against him and you're a very good example, no matter how much you try to deny it.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by bilulu(m): 5:53pm On Dec 24, 2019
sissoko22:


In all your argument, you're trying hard to downgrade the Yoruba Muslims in the Muslim communities in Nigeria. If you know just a little about Islam your comments might be different, Muslims look beyond tribes, age, and skin colour in choosing who lead us,.
Lolz.... keep deceiving ursef.... if they don’t look beyond tribe why don’t you guys sight the moon? It only takes a mai suya to sight the moon and prof Isaq will obey...

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by bilulu(m): 5:54pm On Dec 24, 2019
Isahalbash:



Yes, most nomad fulanis don't pray and no one considered them as Muslims not to talk of leading others in prayers.
Continue deceiving yourself.....
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by sissoko22(m): 6:55pm On Dec 24, 2019
bilulu:

Lolz.... keep deceiving ursef.... if they don’t look beyond tribe why don’t you guys sight the moon? It only takes a mai suya to sight the moon and prof Isaq will obey...

Everything is competition to an Igbo man, check the condition for moon sighting before technology. They'll be and always be cultural differences but rules and guidelines on how to treat your neighbors will always be the same.

Note:- I am neither a Yoruba or Hausa/Fulani.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Isahalbash(m): 7:56pm On Dec 24, 2019
bilulu:

Continue deceiving yourself.....


Continue living in delusion. You can only deceive gullible people like you who know nothing than spreading falsehood.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Isahalbash(m): 8:03pm On Dec 24, 2019
sissoko22:


In all your argument, you're trying hard to downgrade the Yoruba Muslims in the Muslim communities in Nigeria. If you know just a little about Islam your comments might be different, Muslims look beyond tribes, age, and skin colour in choosing who lead us,.


no mind d girl jare. That's their new tactics- to cause enmity BTW Yoruba Christians and muslims but unknown to them that yorubas are mixed in terms of religion not like theHausas or Igbos that are mostly Muslims and Christians respectively.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Isahalbash(m): 8:05pm On Dec 24, 2019
sissoko22:


Living in Nigeria and acting not to no the difference between nomadic and house Fulani is the hight of hypocrisy. Most Muslims don't care anymore about the media trial and judgements passed on us. When you someone you automatically believed in any allegations against him and you're a very good example, no matter how much you try to deny it.


Those guys are funny I swear.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Kingspin(m): 8:20pm On Dec 24, 2019
sissoko22:


Most definitely, your problem is comprehension, you stay in no Muslim country.
Your problem is how to admit there is a problem.

Boko haram and herdsmen should stop killing non -Muslims period.
I challenge you, how us evident of Christain group in Nigeria going about attacking Muslims.

A Muslim becomes good when you teach him/her the right doctrine.

My prayer this Christmas and Christmas eve and beyond is to have Boko Fulani free season.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Yujin(m): 5:58am On Dec 25, 2019
I feel pained coming to this thread this late. How I wish I was free to contribute to it in its early stage. Any way, the article captures what I've been crying here since 2011. I've been wondering if the European powers are blind to the numerous atrocities going on in Nigeria. Christians are massacred in their thousands in Nigeria without anyone doing anything about it. The Muslim government openly supports and even aids these killings. Their aim is to dominate and force Islam on everyone. Those of us from the Eastern part have been in the forefront of warning other unsuspecting Christians about the evil ploy but we were called all manner of names. I'm glad that finally our voice have been heard and the relevant powers will switch their searchlight on Nigeria. I implore all sane countries to disregard anyone or group who says all the attacks and killings are not religion motivated. It is all lies to cover their evil tracks. Christianity is been strangulated everyday in Nigeria. From the FG direct policies and appointments, to the treatment dished out on Christians.
For me the best bet at achieving peace is going the Sudan way of splitting the country into at least countries. Religion is deeply in contest in Nigeria with Islam violently advancing. Any solution outside splitting will only be temporary and the risk of a bloody war will be very great. Muslim fulani herdsmen are being invited from neighbouring West and central African countries to come add to their strength in Nigeria. Nothing will stop the religious onslaught if Nigeria is left to remain the way it is simply because the counter force to Islam is not politically sophisticated to do so. This is the honest truth. However, if war were to ensue, it will just be the monumental destruction of lives and properties without any real progress. My advice is for the western powers to see to the division of Nigeria into religious lines considering some peculiarities to the contraption.
NB: Mostly Muslims will kick against the division of Nigeria. You have to ask yourself why they don't want it.

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Yujin(m): 6:12am On Dec 25, 2019
franchasng:
You are a woman, you are not arguing with facts, you are arguing with emotion, and its quite understandable...but I will keep enlightening you with facts, if you doubt whatever I say, make a finding from foreign sources to know the truth, don't rely on Lagos-Ibadan express media publications established by selfish Yoruba politicians to champion their personal political cause.


My uncle was a right hand man of Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu. He was a captain as at then and a Nigerian army band leader. He was among the soldiers that went to Saudana's residence. He told me a lot of secrets about the coup and the civil war. They never liked Ojukwu, Aguiyi Ironsi and Azikiwe because they were nationalists who wanted a one united Nigeria.

Ojukwu wanted a united Nigeria but the pogrom which Gowon refused to stop just as Buhari is refusing to stop Fulani herdsmen massacre of middlebelt people today was the reason Ojukwu called for independence of Biafra and he didn't wake up and declared it, he got the backing of Igbo and some Niger Delta leaders before he did.

Blame Gowon and the blood thirsty north for the civil war and not Ojukwu. This is where Yoruba media liars misinformed the Yorubas since 1966. Why not Google about the war and read foreign accounts by non Nigerian journalists. The eminent cause of the war was the 1966 northern pogrom.

Nzeogwu and the Igbo soldiers who carried out the first coup of 1966 made a huge mistake. And if they truly wanted to carry out a revolution, they ought to have killed Igbo leaders too like Nnamdi Azikiwe, etc to balance things, so they messed up and even my late uncle, and father, and every other reasonable Igbo man agreed that Nzeogwu and co messed up, we all know, we admit our errors unlike Yorubas who hardly agree to their mistake, they will always claim just and sophisticated even when it is glaring that they have messed up, they won't accept, another problem of the Yorubas.

Igbos lost a lot when Igbos were the ones controlling the affairs of Nigeria but the coup and civil war gave the opportunity for Igbos to start from zero, it was unfortunate. But don't you ever blame Ojukwu, Ojukwu did the right thing because if he had remained silent during the pogrom, the north would have finished Igbos in 1966 even when there was no war, so Ojukwu saved Igbos from total annihilation by the north during the unwarranted pogrom.

Instead of Yorubas to be honest and codemn the north and Gowon they rather hide the truth as usual and blame Ojukwu but when the pogrom was going on, Yorubas remained silent except for Wole Soyinka who condemned it back then.


The same thing is happening today. Fulani herdsmen terrorists are busy going about murdering Middlebelt people in their homes while the Nigerian army as alleged backs them up.....Igbos have been condemning this for so long, Yorubas remained silent as usual not until recently that the Fulanis brought the madness to Yoruba land that the Yorubas now started screaming fire fire like it started today....so do you think if it were to be in 1960s that we have brave and courageous soldiers from Middlebelt, this Fulani constant massacre of Middlebelt people is not enough to provoke Middlebelt soldiers to act or even challenge Buhari led government

You guys will just sit comfortably in your hut and be blaming people without considering the tight situation they are in.


I keep saying it, the problem of the Yorubas is selfishness and wickedness....they are too selfish, so long as an evil is not happening in their doorstep, they will never condemn it or join others to fight it....it is only when it gets to their doortstep that they start to scream fire.


But take a look at great nations like USA, France, Britain, etc....they don't wait for evil to get to their countries before they start to condemn and make effort to stop it....they can overlook all these Islamic terrorists killing their people in their countries in Middle-East, but they know that one day, these terrorists will bring their madness to their countries if they remain silent and not stop them fast! Yorubas need to learn from this, it is their greatest undoing....and yes, I know Igbos have their flaws....but go and ask anybody from any part of the world, Igbos always condemn injustice against anybody or race or tribe....we always carry it on our head like its our case, its our nature, we hate injustice!!!
You spoke well bro. This is what Danjuma told them recently. Yorubas don't speak out when others are suffering. It's only when it gets to them that they start to shout. That's not a good way to relate with your neighbours.

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Yujin(m): 6:42am On Dec 25, 2019
Maol:

That's a treason offence you just committed, you want to start a war but it is the beginning of war you know you don't know the end. You may end up regretting when you see people suffering more than before and wish the fight should have not started as it has happened in many African countries. How did you know Nigeria government backed Fulani herdsmen up, please be sure of anything before you pass false news. If it is not true nkoo. Muslims attacked by heards men too what should they do.
You guys think we're dumb right? How many fulani herdsmen have been arrested by the government? NONE! Yet, the government was asking victims of slaughter to give up their lands to the terrorist fulani herdsmen. It was shamefully even debated on the Senate. One fulani woman even had the temerity to say herdsmen value cows more than humans. We have all the files and they've all been sent. We are in a new world now where information is readily captured, stored and sent within seconds to any part of the world. It is game up for your criminal elites. I know that there are fulani, Hausa, Kanuri individuals who don't support what's happening but are helpless to do so. They should try and vacate the far north to a more humane area.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Yujin(m): 7:07am On Dec 25, 2019
vannessa7:


You must be a toddler not to know that in the regime of GEJ which Yoruba voted for massively there were more killings than has ever been since Buhari came into power, Yoruba to you is a traitor every time we refuse to dance to your tune as if we are your yes boy, unfortunately for you guys that day will never come when we will just follow Igbo blindly, that said I am a new Muslim revert and I have read the Qur'an through and I can tell you that those Fulani are not Muslims because their activities go against the tenets of God for Muslims, the Qur'an says you must not kill anyone who does not hold a weapon to attack you and other peoples properties are definitely out of bound to you no matter their religion, the Qur'an also say we can eat with Christians and marry them self, the Qur'an is full of bible stories and God said in the Qur'an that any Muslim who does not believe the Bible both old and new testament is not a Muslim, it is written there that Jesus is coming and the last trumpet will be blown on the last day, the only difference is that God said we are not to worship Jesus or Mary or any of His creature at all because it is idolatory, He said Jesus is the word of God born by virging Mary through the holy spirit front the breadth of angel Gabriel, how does all these conform with Fulani attitude.
I used to live in the north and I can tell you Fulani's live in the forest and only comes to town for business, their seclusion from other tribe and lack of education has all contributed to make them barbaric, had it been they live among others they will see them as human and understand better, that is why Yoruba is still the most advanced in this nation because we have a social culture where everybody lives together, we build houses next to each other and this has brought others close so that even an idol worshipper is still seen as human who has pain and concern and not a monster with horn, I can bet you some of the children of the Fulani must think other tribe have horns, Fulani's herdsmen killing is not Islamic and never will be, illegal sexual intercourse is not allowed in islam not to talk of rape,
Do not believe what is written here by this poster. It is meant to deceive the gullible. No one in Nigeria will say he/she has not seen or know someone who has been affected by the killings by fulani herdsmen. In fact fulani herdsmen are presently more destructive than Boko haram and have been listed as a terrorist organization by international security bodies yet the Nigerian government hasn't called them so nor effected any arrest of culpable herdsmen. The fulani president once said these herdsmen came from outside Nigeria and can't be fought but barely six months after that statement, he started asking traumatized farmers to donate their lands to these foreign herdsmen who brought wanton destruction to them in the first place. The claim that these fulani herdsmen are non Muslims is laughable. The Muslim government protects and arms them. They openly move about with Ak47 rifles and no security arrests them. They kidnap and get huge ransoms without the Nigerian security doing anything. Shame on you. Some of us know fulanis in and out. Your games are up. I've said that numerous times on this forum. I've dedicated my whole life to the freedom of my people and other Christians from the stranglehold of your terrorist people. The game is on!
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Yujin(m): 7:32am On Dec 25, 2019
Empiree:
it is their trick. They always love portraying christianity as persecuted religion while they take advantage of Africa economy but the idiots called African CHRISTIANs are too blind to see.

Anytime they want to do their dirty trick in Africa they would say they want to help African CHRISTIANS and portray Islam as boogeyman. I don't subscribe to this lies in their article. They never talked about kidnapped Muslims in the North by Christians and forced them to covert to christianity.
Lol. See someone bringing stories of kidnapped kids into issues of killings, destruction of properties and forceful occupation of the victims' lands. Shame on you. The ignoble kidnapping of kids was done by greedy criminals for childless families/women. Those kidnapped kids were well taken care of by their new guardians. They even enrolled them in schools. Compare that to the death and destruction your fulani Muslims bring to Christian areas. Tens of thousands of Christians have been victims of the fulani herdsmen menace. Their lands have been occupied and some even renamed to suit the fulanis with the tacit support of the government of Nigeria.

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Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by Empiree: 12:47pm On Dec 25, 2019
Yujin:

Lol. See someone bringing stories of kidnapped kids into issues of killings, destruction of properties and forceful occupation of the victims' lands. Shame on you. The ignoble kidnapping of kids was done by greedy criminals for childless families/women. Those kidnapped kids were well taken care of by their new guardians. They even enrolled them in schools. Compare that to the death and destruction your fulani Muslims bring to Christian areas. Tens of thousands of Christians have been victims of the fulani herdsmen menace. Their lands have been occupied and some even renamed to suit the fulanis with the tacit support of the government of Nigeria.
thanks for saying the truth. You confirmed they were kidnapped. Is kidnapping legal?. Don't cover with "they provide them food and send them to school". What rubbish is that?

As for fulani herdsmen, how do you know people killed were CHRISTIANs?. They wrote CHRISTIAN on their forehead?. What we learned was herdmen vs farmers. When did you guys turn it to herdmen vs CHRISTIANs?.

In the time of BH too they always screamed Christians were killed yet there are bunch of Muslims and Muslim scholars killed. CHRISTIANs are Nigeria's problems. They are bunch of brainwash fools.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by sissoko22(m): 5:02pm On Dec 25, 2019
Kingspin:
Your problem is how to admit there is a problem.

Boko haram and herdsmen should stop killing non -Muslims period.
I challenge you, how us evident of Christain group in Nigeria going about attacking Muslims.

A Muslim becomes good when you teach him/her the right doctrine.

My prayer this Christmas and Christmas eve and beyond is to have Boko Fulani free season.


Boko Haram kill indiscriminately for whatever reason(s) they've which is dumb and stupid for me. In fact, they're killing more Muslims in the ratio of 95:5. Misinformation is even more dangerous.
Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by sissoko22(m): 5:04pm On Dec 25, 2019
Isahalbash:



no mind d girl jare. That's their new tactics- to cause enmity BTW Yoruba Christians and muslims but unknown to them that yorubas are mixed in terms of religion not like theHausas or Igbos that are mostly Muslims and Christians respectively.

Re: The New War Against Africa’s Christians - Wall Street Journal by vannessa7(f): 8:15pm On Dec 25, 2019
Yujin:

Do not believe what is written here by this poster. It is meant to deceive the gullible. No one in Nigeria will say he/she has not seen or know someone who has been affected by the killings by fulani herdsmen. In fact fulani herdsmen are presently more destructive than Boko haram and have been listed as a terrorist organization by international security bodies yet the Nigerian government hasn't called them so nor effected any arrest of culpable herdsmen. The fulani president once said these herdsmen came from outside Nigeria and can't be fought but barely six months after that statement, he started asking traumatized farmers to donate their lands to these foreign herdsmen who brought wanton destruction to them in the first place. The claim that these fulani herdsmen are non Muslims is laughable. The Muslim government protects and arms them. They openly move about with Ak47 rifles and no security arrests them. They kidnap and get huge ransoms without the Nigerian security doing anything. Shame on you. Some of us know fulanis in and out. Your games are up. I've said that numerous times on this forum. I've dedicated my whole life to the freedom of my people and other Christians from the stranglehold of your terrorist people. The game is on!

Mr shame you are obviously confused, ask yourself is it because the government is Fulani that they are protecting Fulani heards men if your claim is right or because it is a Muslim government that they are protecting the Fulani heard men, or are you saying all Muslim are Fulani and all Fulani are Muslim, do you think the fulani government will still protect the fulani heards men even if they worship idols?confused ignoramus

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