Hairyrapunzel:



Jehovah made a specific date for pagans to celebrate their gods and warned Christians from celebrating anything on those days.


If Jesus didn't want us celebrate His birth He would have still said it.

2 Tim 3:16

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.


It's like as pagans used dec 25th to celebrate their gods that means that day is specific only for their use as Christians can't celebrate their Jesus.

thinkmoney:

Please watch urself. I only hope somebody that knows u see ur responses, so he can tell u ur premise is faulty. it's obvious ur believes and practices is as a result of lack of adequate Bible knowledge.
now let me help u test urself. if u can bring out the part in the Bible that says Jehovah made some date for pagan then ur believes are correct but if u can't my dear, u need help.
Besides, how old are u

if u must celebrate our christ birth (which we do really thank God for), why must we do it on a day that has a pagan origin and with pagan totems and unscriptural objects like the Christmas tree, Santa Claus, star etc.
if you feel something history doesn't matter, I ask u if u would still lick a candy that was gotten from a gutter even after it has been cleaned?

thinkmoney:

Please watch urself. I only hope somebody that knows u see ur responses, so he can tell u ur premise is faulty. it's obvious ur believes and practices is as a result of lack of adequate Bible knowledge.
now let me help u test urself. if u can bring out the part in the Bible that says Jehovah made some date for pagan then ur believes are correct but if u can't my dear, u need help.
Besides, how old are u

Hairyrapunzel:


If you can also bring out a part where they said celebrating birth of Jesus is a pagan practice and jesus condemned such.
You made this statement





So I had to reply that jehovah made a specific day for pagans to celebrate their gods and if we as Christians use that same day he will destroy/slaughter us.


After all we don't want to lik candy that was in the gutter even after it had been cleaned.

Hairyrapunzel:


At least show us a bible passage that says that if u must celebrate our christ birth (which we do really thank God for), we should not do it on a day that has a pagan origin and with pagan totems and unscriptural objects like the Christmas tree, Santa Claus, star etc.?

thinkmoney:

I av shown u places that infer or suggest we should not celebrate Christmas. as s Christian, I know u agree smoking is bad. but is there a place that explicitly says we should not smoke? but there are many instances in the Bible that we can sew together to get that the Bible doesn't support smoking.

Hairyrapunzel:



Because Jesus Christ is a false deity and an idol right?

Hairyrapunzel:


Show us proof that your assumption is true?

No proof.

See painment all because I said your assumption is not written anywhere in the bible. Lol

If it's not written in the bible that means it's false. I don't believe in daddy GO's either. I only believe in Jesus words which are seen only in the bible.


Your assumption doesn't exist till you show a bible verse that shows it exists.


All your vexation just because I told you to provide proof for your assumption?


Well, your assumption is invalid and false till you provide proof.

Pistotita:


All the quotes are on just one of the questions I asked. So, I think you aren't an adventist. My mission is to get a view from an adventist.

Well, after reading through the links, it is really the same debate. After listening to the two sides of the reality of eternity in hell, I have concluded on one truth which is death. While you are in support of death as the exact time the fire in hell will be put off, your opponents think death is eternity in hell. But all the links refused to answer the question when hell fire will be put off. Hmmmm!

Going by this debate, it is an easy one for me to not bother myself too much on the subject. And really, there is no truth anyone can say in regards to abstract debates. You are talking of another life. The question is: what if you are wrong too? The issue is that it does not matter if you are wrong because that you believe hell is eternity or not will not disqualify you from making heaven (let us assume there is one). So, why this arguement? Why is this truth so important? Of what use? I mean, what difference does it make? Why turn such abstract debate into a doctrine?

My view is that divine revelation is a reliable individualistic conviction when it comes to abstract and the life to come. For Christ sake, one is left more confused because the same bible is what your opponent will use to back up his claim. It is just sad that the argument is everlasting. Why? It is abstract. Only personal conviction through revelation can make one satisfied. The real deal is to wait till after we die. Lol. You still gat to wait. Perhaps you will then start the argument then. Hmmm!

Please, an adventist should come to my aid. I really need to read about the investigative judgment. If there are points on annihilationist view of hell, kindly let me know.

Can an adventist open a thread on this? I may not be around after today, but will surely read when I have the time.

Thanks so much for the links. Bless you!

cerpvad:
Proof proof, proof, proof, you kept whining for proof. Again, here is the proof you are desperate about.

1.Yeoshua never verbally said celebrate my birthday neither did He verbally say don't celebrate my birthday.

2. During Yeoshua days, birthday celebration was a pagan practice. Yeoshua himself never had a birthday party neither were any of his disciples, friends and family. To make matters worse, Yeoshua lost his cousin, John the Baptist to a pagan birthday party.

3. Pagan practices, one of which birthday celebration is, form a larger chunk of the sins of the world which Yeoshua came to die for.


From deduction, do you think Yeoshua will be happy today to see people He died for still glued to pagan practices, including birthdays celebrations, for which He had died for them?

thinkmoney:

this is whataboutism. somehow I have continued with u because u appear polite. I have given Bible instances that shows why Christmas is unscriptural, important among this is that the early Christians did not celebrate. U might not fully get it now (because convictions is one of the hardest thing to change). I have shown a seed in u though. Because I have been logical with u. may God help u have the right factor to make the seed grow

cerpvad:
Proof proof, proof, proof, you kept whining for proof. Again, here is the proof you are desperate about.

1.Yeoshua never verbally said celebrate my birthday neither did He verbally say don't celebrate my birthday.

2. During Yeoshua days, birthday celebration was a pagan practice. Yeoshua himself never had a birthday party neither were any of his disciples, friends and family. To make matters worse, Yeoshua lost his cousin, John the Baptist to a pagan birthday party.

3. Pagan practices, one of which birthday celebration is, form a larger chunk of the sins of the world which Yeoshua came to die for.


From deduction, do you think Yeoshua will be happy today to see people He died for still glued to pagan practices, including birthdays celebrations, for which He had died for them?

cerpvad:
Proof proof, proof, proof, you kept whining for proof. Again, here is the proof you are desperate about.

1.Yeoshua never verbally said celebrate my birthday neither did He verbally say don't celebrate my birthday.

2. During Yeoshua days, birthday celebration was a pagan practice. Yeoshua himself never had a birthday party neither were any of his disciples, friends and family. To make matters worse, Yeoshua lost his cousin, John the Baptist to a pagan birthday party.

3. Pagan practices, one of which birthday celebration is, form a larger chunk of the sins of the world which Yeoshua came to die for.


From deduction, do you think Yeoshua will be happy today to see people He died for still glued to pagan practices, including birthdays celebrations, for which He had died for them?

blueAgent:



Sorry for my late response.

Do I have to show an ID for you that believe am an Adventist?

The bible is not open for personal interpretation or convictions.
People fell to apply the golden rule required to understand God's word,and that is every word of God must be reconciled with each other. that's the reason for divergent doctrines and teachings in Christianity.


There is nothing abstract about eternity, God's word is clear on the fate of the righteous and the wicked.
Am not sure you read those links I sent you, if you did you would have discovered that only an annihilation view agrees with every other word of God.

On when the fire of Hell would be put off, This question can only be answered by God because the bible did not give a definite time or period it will last.


On the issue investigative judgment the scope is too large and I don't have the time now to explain it all, but I have included links that explain it far better than I would have.
Be rest assured that this doctrine is backed by Bible facts.
Even non-adventist are beginning to see the truth about investigative judgment.


https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1960/07/the-investigative-judgment-does-this-teaching-have-any-biblical-basis


https://ssnet.org/blog/why-the-investigative-judgment-doctrine-is-sound/

thinkmoney:

Please watch urself. I only hope somebody that knows u see ur responses, so he can tell u ur premise is faulty. it's obvious ur believes and practices is as a result of lack of adequate Bible knowledge.
now let me help u test urself. if u can bring out the part in the Bible that says Jehovah made some date for pagan then ur believes are correct but if u can't my dear, u need help.
Besides, how old are u

thinkmoney:

I av shown u places that infer or suggest we should not celebrate Christmas. as s Christian, I know u agree smoking is bad. but is there a place that explicitly says we should not smoke? but there are many instances in the Bible that we can sew together to get that the Bible doesn't support smoking.

Hairyrapunzel:
pharaoh pardoned the cupbearear on his birthday which shows Something good can also happen on birthday


Is it birthday or Herod that sentenced john the Baptist to death? I know you will say birthday.

The bible never mentioned jesus celebrating birthday or not celebrating birthday. It's not in the bible so don't conclude that jesus didn't celebrate it.

cerpvad:
You would never repent from seeking direct verbal texts when you have been told that references, inferences or deductions may not necessarily be hinged on verbal or written texts but also from contexts, circumstances and other events surrounding a given subject. Since you have failed woefully in this aspect, you can drop your last words and let's leave this argument for good

cerpvad:
You would never repent from seeking direct verbal texts when you have been told that references, inferences or deductions may not necessarily be hinged on verbal or written texts but also from contexts, circumstances and other events surrounding a given subject. Since you have failed woefully in this aspect, you can drop your last words and let's leave this argument for good

Hairyrapunzel:


You would give me direct texts because you say Jesus or Jehovah will be angry and destroy/kill/murder/slaughter us. So you have to give us concrete proof that the said we should not celebrate Christmas.


It has become a crime asking for biblical proof on beliefs that you accuse us of being unrighteous or evil because we don't obey them.


There is no biblical proof. Never has been and never will be so stop acting as if you are Jesus Christ himself that made new laws not in the bible.

Whether you like it or not your assumption is false till you provide proof.

When it is trinity you say it was never mentioned in the bible so it is false.

Now your christmas being a celebration of pagan origin isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible you call deductive reasoning blah blah blah.
Hypocrisy at it's peak

thinkmoney:

dear, it is written in the Bible that the day of death is better than the day of birth and going to the house of mourning is better than going to a party. why this passages do not discourage celebration, it's gives a context to the issue on ground.
if u must celebrate our christ birth (which we do really thank God for), why must we do it on a day that has a pagan origin and with pagan totems and unscriptural objects like the Christmas tree, Santa Claus, star etc.
if you feel something history doesn't matter, I ask u if u would still lick a candy that was gotten from a gutter even after it has been cleaned?

mgbadadike:


I'm celebrating Jesus Christ born into this world to redeem mankind not just on 25th Dec only but everyday of my life. If you're associating it with any pagan worshipping, that's your own problem.

cerpvad:
Are those your last words?

Hairyrapunzel:


Keep talking deductive assumption.

Maximus69:


God's word was written to help believers know what they should and shouldn't do in the name of God!
The only thing wrong in idolatry is worshiping in the WRONG form. Humans were created with the inborn tendency to worship God. Satan capitalises on this to misdirect humans into doing what will annoy God and bring reproach on his holy name.
That's why God instructed the nation of Israel (the one and only nation he gave divine laws on how to please him in worship) not to copy any of the customs and traditions of the nations in their surrounding! Deuteronomy 11:32, 12:30

Birthday celebration is the custom of those pagan nations {Genesis 40:20} only God's enemies copy it from pagan nations {Matthew 14:6} you can't see any amongst God's faithful servants whether in the old or new Testament that engages in BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION

Before the arrival of Jesus Christ the Ecclesiaste said it's the day a man dies that's most important than the day of his birth! Ecclesiastes 7:1

To prove that he is hear to fulfill what was written before him {Matthew 5:17} Jesus' birthday was never celebrated by his parents, himself nor his followers. Jesus INSTRUCTED his followers to commemorate the day of his death NOT his birth! Luke 22:19-20

For us to know how to continue with the legacy they left behind, GOD made sure that after four Witnesses penned down the story of Jesus' life and ministry, God also made sure that another book was written called ACT OF APOSTLES According to the book the first century Christians NEVER thought of celebrating the BIRTH of Jesus!

So if anyone feels like celebrating the BIRTH of Jesus today, it's OK!
But believers IMITATING the faith of the early Christians will say "NO we are not interested!" Hebrew 13:7

God bless you!

cerpvad:
Have a nice life

Hairyrapunzel:


Neither can you see any of Jesus apostles condemn birthday celebrations.

Even when herod killed John the Baptist jesus didn't condemn him

Twist4u:
My questions to all persons that insist Christ mass day celebration (25th December) is Pegan day/celebration/Worship. Did the Pegan Man Create any day? Did he create himself? If no, then Ignorance is a very big disease that is disturbing some acclaimed Christians. Because from the bible it is very very clear that God created the earth,day & night, and Man in it to dominate(choice). as seen in Genesis1:1-5,14,27-28 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 27 So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
(NIV). Is this not a case of giving God's glory to the Pegan man. Are they not playing down the creation powers of God Almighty. For those that claimed the MONTH should be October n not December, based on their calculation. They should note that every day is equal to 24hours,has day n Night. See Gen 1:3-5 above. D4 whether December or October the Focus of celebration is Christ first day on earth. Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Hairyrapunzel:



Smoking is bad health wise. It is not a sin to smoke. Nowhere is it mentioned in the bible that we shouldn't smoke.

Thank God you said explicitly not mentioned in the bible so therefore, I have no obligation to obey your assumption when there is absolutely no proof whatsoever

Maximus69:


Hairyrapunzel WAS a JW, he is self-centered and feels whatever rules binding on members is not for him so he WAS DISFELLOWSHIPED!

So there is NOTHING you can say to assist him, he is fully determined to kick against whatever JEHOVAH says, most especially if it's to govern his people as one.
He feels really bitter inside him like scattering God's people so that there won't be worshippers of the true God standing out as a unique group!

Maximus69:


Hairyrapunzel WAS a JW, he is self-centered and feels whatever rules binding on members is not for him so he WAS DISFELLOWSHIPED!

So there is NOTHING you can say to assist him, he is fully determined to kick against whatever JEHOVAH says, most especially if it's to govern his people as one.
He feels really bitter inside him like scattering God's people so that there won't be worshippers of the true God standing out as a unique group!

thinkmoney:

hmmm, thank u. I notice it's difficult to make him see reason. God help him

Hairyrapunzel:


Christmas is unscriptural, not celebrating Christmas is still unscriptural.

Which instances to show that Christmas is unscriptural did you give.

You that does not have biblical backing to show that jesus or jehovah condemned celebrating the birth of christ is talking about sowing seed of conviction.

Even to show a bible verse that shows early Christians didn't celebrate it because its unscriptural is difficult for you.


Last last it's still your own assumption or Rather the assumption of your religious leaders which is not true because there is no proof.

thinkmoney:

U need to study Bible the more. whatever u do that doesn't show u value Gods gift which is ur life, is a sin. Smoking degrades and damages the body, Gods suppose temple. that one reason why it's a sin. Do whatever u do, it's obvious u don't have sound Bible knowledge.

Hairyrapunzel:


Christmas is unscriptural, not celebrating Christmas is still unscriptural.

Which instances to show that Christmas is unscriptural did you give.

You that does not have biblical backing to show that jesus or jehovah condemned celebrating the birth of christ is talking about sowing seed of conviction.

Even to show a bible verse that shows early Christians didn't celebrate it because its unscriptural is difficult for you.


Last last it's still your own assumption or Rather the assumption of your religious leaders which is not true because there is no proof.