The koran refers to Muhammad's wives as the "mothers of all Muslim believers":

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It is for this reason that the koran forbade any muslim man from marrying any of muhammad's wives after his death:

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So far, all of this makes sense. If muhammad's wives are the mothers of the believers, then marrying any of them after muhammad's death would amount to incest.

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That is a very good question and it brings us to the topic of this post. Logically speaking, if muhammad's wives are the mothers of muslims, Muhamad would have to be the father of all muslims, wouldn't he?

This is where things begin to get messy.

The koran explicitly forbids anyone from referring to muhammad as the father of Muslims:

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But why is the case? Luckily, the koran provides us with the reason:


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So as we can see from the foregoing, allah sent down a special revelation containing a special privilege allowing Muhamad to be able to have sexual relations with any muslim women who offered themselves to him.

So Muhamad gave up the privilege of becoming the father of Islam because it would have interfered with his special privilege to engage in sexual encounters with Muslim women who offered themselves to him.

This would have been impossible if Muhamad had allowed himself to be called the father of muslims because then, muslim women would have become his daughters and as a father he would have been forbidden from engaging in any relationship of a sexual nature with them.

In the end, these extremely self serving "revelations" in the koran which only benefit Muhammad's sex life calls into question the authenticity of the koran's claim to be the word of a righteous God and casts a strong shadow of doubt over Islam as source of truth and high moral standards.

TheExecutioner:
Erm, AntiChristian and IamStrange are very quiet in reacting to this thread. I wonder why?

TheExecutioner:
OP clearly put the correct Surah and Ayah. Is your problem shortsightedness or are you just a natural born liar?

Balogunodua:


IamStrange go boycott this one oo!

TheExecutioner:
Erm, AntiChristian and IamStrange are very quiet in reacting to this thread. I wonder why?

Gandollaar:
Hahahaha..imes is coming for you and the OP.

ubandawaki:
Thank you for what I take as sincere question.The real answer to your question of why the quran refer Prophet Muhammad as not the father of any One is because of the case of his adopted Son Zaid the son of Harithahh who the member of the community then are calling Zaid the son of Muhammad So Quran clarify the case that if you adopt a son he is not your real son and in Islam he must answer his real father's name if he is known and from then Zaid is not refer to as Zaid the son of Muhammad but Zaid the Son of Harithah.

As for your last statement the Qur'an has given answer to that,stopping prophet Muhammad to marry any more after his last wife you can check Qur'an(33:52)"It is not allowed for you(Muhammad) to take any woman afterwards nor that you should change them for other wives even if there beauty is pleasing to you except your current wives and Allah is watchful over all things" I hope as Muslim my reply is educative.thanks once again.

IAmStrange:


look at these people again... I always said it that you people appear to the world like you are straightforward and psychologically advanced but actually you are hypocritical and foolish.

You first of all said that.. that the Quran says that.. . "The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ourselves and his wives are their mothers as regards respect and marriage"

But this is actually what's written in the Quran:

The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are (as) their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature).

Where did you see as regards respect and marriage there?

You deliberately included that to suit your claims. You lied!!! I've always known you for this. you've been doing this following the path of your mentor liar SHAMOUN the WORLD CLASS LIAR You remember?

Now that's the actual verse.

Then you also said that it's because of that that Allah forbade the Muslims from marrying his wives. You were linking your "fabricated verse" with the second verse.

This is the actually verse - the second one:

O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity.


As you can see from the above, Allaah was giving commandments to those who "believe". The part that you quoted is not the only thing in that verse. Rather, Allaah was giving commandments as you can see above and that particular commandment (don't marry His wives) happens to be part of it.

First, where is your evidence that it's because Allaah regarded them as our mothers that Allaah commanded us not to marry them?

It's forbidden to marry His wives as respect to Him (peace be upon him). It's in respect, acknowledging the status of the Prophet and also that of his wives.

Secondly, I want you to know that His wives being our mothers in that verse is metaphorical. They are not our actual mothers but they are "as" our mothers because of their position. It's in terms of reverence and in that sense, the Prophet is also like a father to us if you mean in terms of reverence and not actual or blood father.

But the father that Allaah was talking about in this verse that you quoted, he was talking about an actual father; a blood father:

“Muhammad is not the father of any of your
men, but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the
last (end) of the Prophets. And Allaah is Ever
All‑Aware of everything”
[al-Ahzaab 33:40]

But first I'll like to point it out to you that you told another lie here because the verse is not Quran 3;144 but it is Quran 33:40

Ahh ahn! LIAR Contract killer, take it easy nah you've told two lies already.. two fabrications!! This shows that you do not actually go to the Quran to pick out those verses but you wrote them by yourself as you deemed fit. That proves the insincerity in you!

So to continue, that verse, Allaah was making it clear that though the Prophet may be like a father to you because of his status, he is not our actual father!!!

And this even reflects common sense. Because first, actually, he didn't give birth to us. So the ruling on blood father to his son doesn't apply between us. Allah was making that clear.

Secondly, if the Prophet were to be regarded as our actual father, then he won't be able to marry women because the ruling on father and daughter-in-law would apply between him and that particular woman if the woman happens to be the daughter of a Muslim.

Thirdly, Allaah revealed that verse to clarify that an "adopted" son isn't an actual son and should not be regarded as one therefore the ruling on blood ties between a father and his biological son shouldn't apply between a man and his "adopted" son.

But because you wanted to spite Islam and the Prophet, you twisted the whole idea and said it was to satisfy his sexual urges and your fellow ignorant "dumbasses" were agreeing with you.

you even lied... twice!! just to substantiate your false claims.

You see your life? You keep disgracing yourself every now and then. LIAR SHAMOUN has destroyed your life and turned u to a dumbass and LIAR

Now since you want to talk about depravity and obscenity, I'll take you on a journey into the bible

TheExecutioner:
Don't mind that idiot. You will see that instead of reacting to the thread logically, he will copy and paste some Biblical verses and quote them out of context. Like a typical muslim he will try to use the Bible to justify Islam, not knowing how ridiculous it makes him look.

IAmStrange:


oya all of you thinking you are wise, come and see the lies in his post and his answer

Johnmba sweetonugbu injera TheExecutioner TheOutlaw isaacsegun balogunodua ebukamen Gandollaar Ooniofife Malawian

then wait for yours

TheExecutioner:
I can't believe how dishonest these headslammers can be even to the extent of denying his own scripture!!!

OP cited the correct Chapter and verses of the koranic Surah upon which he based his observations. So anyone can look them up to see if he is lying!

As usual I MESS has not inspired you to answer this question intelligently or with logic!

IAmStrange:
Oya all of you again, since you all know so much Come and explain these verses...


Johnmba sweetonugbu injera TheExecutioner TheOutlaw isaacsegun balogunodua ebukamen Gandollaar Ooniofife Malawian

I love the way the bible EXPLICITLY explains things. Just like the below

Ezekiel 23:20 New International Version (NIV)
There she lusted after her lovers, whose
genitals were like those of donkeys and whose
emission was like that of horses.

X-rated pornography in the bible:

X rated pornography! you don't mean it?

Song of Solomon: 4. 5. Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies. - Bible Offline

Chai!!! @below

Song of Solomon: 1. 2. Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine. 3. Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee. 4. Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee. - Bible Offline

- You don't mean it? Verses that will make you remember people like mia Khalifa @below

Song of Solomon: 1. 13. A bundle of myrrh is my wellbeloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts. - Bible Offline

- Chai! @below

Song of Solomon: 2. 4. He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love. 5. Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love. 6. His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me. - Bible Offline

- Chai! O serious! @below

Song of Solomon: 4. 10. How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices! - Bible Offline

-I don die! @below

Song of Solomon: 7. 1. How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman. 2. Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies. 3. Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins. 4. Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bath-rabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus. - Bible Offline

- Yeeeeeeeehhhhhh!!!! TheExecutioner I hope you have not wet your pants?

Song of Solomon: 7. 7. This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. 8. I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples; 9. And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak. 10. I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me. - Bible Offline

- Man, bible readers are enjoying ok

Song of Solomon: 8. 1. O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised. 2. I would lead thee, and bring thee into my mother's house, who would instruct me: I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate. 3. His left hand should be under my head, and his right hand should embrace me. - Bible Offline

The below was extracted from answeringchristianity website:

Few more points to notice from Song of Songs 8:1-3
verse above:
1- She wished if her boyfriend/lover was her actual
brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret.
2- She would sleep with her own brother.
3- She would kiss him publicly.
4- She wants him to feel her body.
5- She wants him to do her all night long!
6- Her wanting to kiss him publicly clearly means that
the Bible's *holy* prostitute is so sexually turned on that
she having him at home doing her all night long is not
enough. THEY HAVE TO MAKE OUT PUBLICLY TOO.
Hilarious pornography indeed!
What more pornography and sick trash do you want?
Even today's internet pornography have not yet gone
down to the filthy level of brothers and sisters sleeping
with each others. That's how sick and pervert the Bible
really is. End quote

Oya you people should first explain all that since you're talking about sex and obscenity. Then I will bring more

TheExecutioner:
Bwahahaha!! How can anyone talk about Zaid without talking about Zaid's wife Zainab and how Muhammad destroyed Zaid's marriage to Zainab so he could sleep with her?

Congratulations you have actually succeeded in proving OP's point.