JMAN05:


Sorry, it appears you didn't see my question.

I said: "God divided it into ceremonial, civil and moral. Can I see the reference?"

When you click that link you will see the reference.

If Jesus abolished the law, than define Sin for me?

[quote author=JMAN05 post=86654318]

I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Romans 8:6-8
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually
minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


A carnal mind is not subjected to the law of God.

Which law is this?




Romans 8:6-7
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the
Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is
hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of
God, for it is not even able to do so,

JMAN05:


I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Since the law was abolished as you claim, which law is been reffered to here?

please answer straight do not use another bible verse you don't understand to confuse your answer.
Just tell me which law is been referred to.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and
sin is lawlessness.

Matthew 13:41
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will
gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who
commit lawlessness,

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what
partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what
fellowship has light with darkness?

Matthew 24:12
"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will
grow cold.

2 Peter 2:8
(for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living
among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day
by their lawless deeds),

Acts 2:22
"Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a
man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and
signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as
you yourselves know--
2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who
now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

Matthew 23:27-28
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are
like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all
uncleanness. "So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men,
but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

1 Timothy 1:9
realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person,
but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly
and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill
their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Romans 4:7
"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN
FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
Titus 2:14
Verse Concepts
who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless
deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own
possession, zealous for good deeds.
Hebrews 8:12
Verse Concepts
"FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL
REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."
Hebrews 10:17
Verse Concepts
"AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL
REMEMBER NO MORE."

JMAN05:


I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Would God not be unjust since he knows that his Son has abolished the law and yet he will kill and destroy those who are not subjected to God's law?



1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and
sin is lawlessness.

If you are honest to yourself you should have seen that your narrative cannot hold water.

it is falling apart.

blueAgent:



Since the law was abolished as you claim, which law is been reffered to here?

please answer straight do not use another bible verse you don't understand to confuse your answer.
Just tell me which law is been referred to.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and
sin is lawlessness.

Matthew 13:41
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will
gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who
commit lawlessness,

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what
partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what
fellowship has light with darkness?

Matthew 24:12
"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will
grow cold.

2 Peter 2:8
(for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living
among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day
by their lawless deeds),

Acts 2:22
"Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a
man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and
signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as
you yourselves know--
2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who
now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

Matthew 23:27-28
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are
like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all
uncleanness. "So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men,
but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

1 Timothy 1:9
realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person,
but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly
and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill
their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Romans 4:7
"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN
FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
Titus 2:14
Verse Concepts
who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless
deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own
possession, zealous for good deeds.
Hebrews 8:12
Verse Concepts
"FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL
REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."
Hebrews 10:17
Verse Concepts
"AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL
REMEMBER NO MORE."

I did say that sin is anything not in harmony with, hence contrary to, God's personality, standards, ways, and will; anything marring one's relationship with God. It may be in word, in deed or failing to do what should be done. (Jas 3:17), or in mind and heart.

Any such thing is sin and thus lawlessness.

That fits into any use of lawlessness above.

blueAgent:



Would God not be unjust since he knows that his Son has abolished the law and yet he will kill and destroy those who are not subjected to God's law?



1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and
sin is lawlessness.

If you are honest to yourself you should have seen that your narrative cannot hold water.

it is falling apart.

Jesus established the principles behind the law. This is what we practice. In the Christian Greek scriptures are instructions expected that every Christian follow.

If you want to follow the law, follow all of them. Do not detatch some.

blueAgent:


Romans 8:6-8
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually
minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


A carnal mind is not subjected to the law of God.

Which law is this?

All that God expect from us which is in harmony with His will and personality. As flesh that we are, we are inclined towards wrongdoing, exhibiting qualities contrary to God's personality.

Some of the works that our flesh are inclined to manifest are listed in Gal 5:19-21.

blueAgent:



When you click that link you will see the reference.

If Jesus abolished the law, than define Sin for me?

The link didn't discuss the division of the law into 3 aspects nor give scriptural backing for it.

blueAgent:



Even if we accept or assume that the law is a whole, you still don't have evidence that it has been abolished.

Because Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law.
◄ Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus would be a liar if fulfill means to abolish or destroy.

So who abolished the law one you claim?

We v discussed that.

blueAgent:


Let’s first take a look at the apostle Paul's words in Colossians
2:14–17 : “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements
that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has
taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let
no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or
a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to
come, but the substance is of Christ.”
When some read about the sabbath days that were shadows
and that passed away at the cross, they think that Paul was
referring to the weekly Sabbath, the fourth of the Ten
Commandments. Is this accurate? It’s important to get this
right, because our interpretation of the apostle’s actual
meaning can lead us into deeper truth or into deeper error.
Two Sabbaths
First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about
food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All
these were actually separate laws that God gave for the
physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people;
these were called ceremonial laws.
Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths,
which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly
Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in
the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and
a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment
does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of
something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to
keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and
the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the
seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and
hallowed it” ( Exodus 20:8 , 11 ).
Moreover, to show that he had something other than the
weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,”
plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word
“sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to
Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)
Festivals and Shadows
The King James uses the word “holyday,” and some will
contend that it refers to the weekly Sabbath, while the
expression “sabbath days” refers to yearly sabbaths. The
American Standard Version uses “feast day” instead of
“holyday,” and this likely a clearer translation. The word
translated “holyday” is from the Greek heorte, and in John 5:1 ,
this same word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals
of the Jews: “After this there was a feast [heorte] of the Jews;
and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.” This is one of the holy days
that Paul spoke of as having been nailed to the cross.
The “shadows” Paul mentions pointed to Jesus as a Savior
from sin and were observed with that in mind. But the weekly
Sabbath was made for man before sin entered into the world,
before man would need atonement. The shadows pointing
forward to His death as an atonement for sin certainly were
not instituted until after sin. Therefore, since the weekly
Sabbath was instituted before sin, just as was the marriage
institution, it was not a shadow of Christ’s death as a Savior
from sin; and His death did not end the Sabbath day any more
than it brought marriage to an end. Both the Sabbath and
marriage came to us in a perfect world.
Paul’s language shows he was referencing the shadowy
ceremonies that pointed forward to and ended at the cross.
Notice again, carefully, his words in Colossians 2:14 : “Having
wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us,
which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way,
having nailed it to the cross.” Paul mentions that these laws
were “against us” and “contrary” to us. Would it be contrary to
Christians to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain,
dishonoring parents, murder, theft, adultery, lying, and coveting
—the sins rebuked by the Ten Commandments? Thus, the
apostle must have been talking of another law—a law that
enjoined food offerings, drink offerings, the observance of
festivals, new moons, and yearly sabbaths.
Why Are These Laws Contrary to Us?
Why would the observance of these ceremonies after the
death of Christ be contrary to the Christian faith? The yearly
sabbath of the Passover involved killing a lamb that
represented Jesus, the Lamb of God. The apostle Paul taught
directly, “Indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us" ( 1
Corinthians 5:7 ). Thus, to keep offering a sacrificial lamb after
His death would be to imply that Jesus had not accomplished
atonement. Such an observance would be contrary to the
teachings of Christianity.
Many other shadowy requirements of the ceremonial law
pointed to the death of Jesus on the cross, as well. All these
festivals, food and drink offerings, and sabbaths that were
nailed to the cross, Paul declared to be “a shadow of things to
come.” Then he adds, "But the substance is of Christ." That is,
the substance that cast these shadows was Christ’s body on
the cross.
Think of it this way—late in the afternoon when a tall tree
casts its shadow eastward, one can begin at the farthest end
of the shadow and follow it until he or she gets to the tree that
casts the shadow, and there the shadow ceases to be.
Likewise, we can go back to the time when “through one man
[Adam] sin entered the world, and death through sin,” and
there a merciful God promised to send a Redeemer (Genesis
3:15 ), a Substitute, to die in man’s place. To keep man
continually reminded of this fact, and to supply him with a
means of expressing his faith in the coming sacrifice, God
instituted these ceremonies. All of these were included in the
law that was not written on tables of stone.
Follow these shadowy ceremonies all the way from Eden to
the time of Moses, and then through the wilderness journey
and on for hundreds of years after the settlement in Canaan,
and at last to Calvary—and there they cease. So it would be
"against us" and "contrary" to our faith to observe these
ceremonies after Jesus' death. Not so with the other law. It is
just as necessary to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in
vain, dishonoring the Sabbath, murder, adultery, and theft after
the cross as before. Indeed, it was the violation of these
principles that caused the death of Christ. Could they have
been set aside or changed to accommodate the carnal mind,
Jesus need not have died.
Now with these truths before us, let us again read Colossians
2:14–17 and see how plainly Paul revealed that he did not
mean that the weekly seventh-day Sabbath had been nailed to
the cross: "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements
that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has
taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let
no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or
a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to
come, but the substance is of Christ."
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You aren't replying to the appropriate post.

The laws, both of Sabbath and other festivals are found in the scrolls written in the Torah by Moses. This Torah is the Law.

That handwriting is taken away.

blueAgent:




Stop confusing yourself Colossians is not referring to the weekly sabbath.

The problem is that you and all the pastors that preach that the law has been abolished just pick one verse and build your doctrine on it.

Comment on the other point made. Meanwhile read Ex 31:13 and see Sabbaths in plural. Which Sabbath is that?

blueAgent:




You are so desperate to prove your false doctrine that you contradict and confuse yourself.

Moses was not the author of the ten commandments.

The book referred to is the book of Moses. It is so clear to anyone who is not biased.

We are told that the laws of Moses were added because of Sin.
They are shadow of things to come which is Christ.
After Christ died the law has served its purpose it is no longer needed.

But the ten commandments is forever needed because there is no time in eternity that God would allow his name to be used in vain, or allow us to bow to Idols.
Name one law in that 10commandments that is no longer valid?
But God has created,santicified and made the sabbath Holy before Abraham,Noah,Jacob or job ever existed.

All through the Bible it is only the sabbath God calls his Holy day.


Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

This is not a good reply to fault the point mentioned in my post. Review the comment once more. If the comment did not address your earlier post, analyse it and comment on the points made one after the other. I want to see the weaknesses.

blueAgent:



Jesus death cannot nullify or abolish the law, just as a Man's will cannot be changed ones he is dead so also the law cannot be changed at the death of Jesus.

Any change to the law would have been done by Jesus while he was alive but he did not because he never intended to.

Hebrews 9:13-20 English Standard Version (ESV)
For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the
sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a
heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh,
how much more will the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without
blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead
works to serve the living God.
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so
that those who are called may receive the promised
eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that
redeems them from the transgressions committed
under the first covenant. For where a will is
involved, the death of the one who made it must be
established. For a will takes effect only at death,
since it is not in force as long as the one who made it
is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was
inaugurated without blood. For when every
commandment of the law had been declared by
Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves
and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop,
and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God
commanded for you.”

Can you pls explain the Bible portion you quoted. It seems to be against your comment.

JMAN05:


All that God expect from us which is in harmony with His will and personality. As flesh that we are, we are inclined towards wrongdoing, exhibiting qualities contrary to God's personality.

Some of the works that our flesh are inclined to manifest are listed in Gal 5:19-21.

How do you know qualities that are contrary to God?

JMAN05:


Jesus established the principles behind the law. This is what we practice. In the Christian Greek scriptures are instructions expected that every Christian follow.

If you want to follow the law, follow all of them. Do not detatch some.

This bible verse says lawlessness not principles.

If I may ask what are the principles? can you state them?

JMAN05:


I did say that sin is anything not in harmony with, hence contrary to, God's personality, standards, ways, and will; anything marring one's relationship with God. It may be in word, in deed or failing to do what should be done. (Jas 3:17), or in mind and heart.

Any such thing is sin and thus lawlessness.

That fits into any use of lawlessness above.

You are boxing yourself into a corner.

How do I know that sleeping with Ijeoma my girlfriend is a sin?
Tell me how, because society said so I because of what?


You are just giving plan answer, be precise.
What are God's standard, principles,ways and will, how do we know what they are?

JMAN05:


Jesus established the principles behind the law. This is what we practice. In the Christian Greek scriptures are instructions expected that every Christian follow.

If you want to follow the law, follow all of them. Do not detatch some.

Do you know that all over the World that the 10 Commandments is the foundation for most laws in any country?

If Men and Nations still have laws that stipulate or regulate Human conduct, then is it God 's government that will now abolish its own laws?

What would happen if in Nigeria and US the government decides to abolish laws against killing,fraud stealing e.t.c and saying we will be living by the principles?(I wonder what that means)

JMAN05:


The link didn't discuss the division of the law into 3 aspects nor give scriptural backing for it.

Where you expecting to see it stated by names?

There is more than enough evidence to show that each of the law was different and served different purposes.
while there where areas that overlapped in the laws, each served its purpose.
the 10commandments were written by God himself and placed inside the Ark

That of Moses was written by Moses through inspiration from God and placed by the side of the Ark.

Nothing stop God ROM writing all the laws rather than only ten, and nothing stops both laws from been put inside the Ark.

Stop looking for excuse where there is none.

JMAN05:


We v discussed that.

You are calling Jesus liar.

◄ Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.



Jesus would be a liar if fulfill means to abolish or destroy.
So who abolished the law one you claim?

Your translation.
I have not come to abolish the law or the prophets but to destroy,stop, cease,crush,dismantle,end, eradicate e.t.c
Where is the sense and logic?


Synonyms for destroy
consume
crush
damage
dismantle
end
eradicate
gut
impair
kill
maim
ravage
raze
ruin
sabotage
shatter
smash
wipe out
wreck
abort
annihilate
annul
axe
butcher
cream
deface
desolate
despoil
dispatch
erase
exterminate
extinguish
extirpate
level
liquidate
mar
maraud
mutilate
nuke
nullify
overturn
quash
quell
ravish
slay
suppress
torpedo
total
trash
vaporize
waste
wax
zap
blot out
break down
lay waste
snuff out
spoliate
stamp out
swallow up
tear down



Synonyms for fulfill
accomplish
achieve
answer
conclude
conform
discharge
do
effect
effectuate
execute
fill
finish
implement
keep
meet
obey
observe
perfect
perform
please
realize
render
satisfy
score
suffice
suit
be just the ticket
carry out
comply with
fill the bill
hit the bull's-eye
make it
make the grade

JMAN05:


You aren't replying to the appropriate post.

The laws, both of Sabbath and other festivals are found in the scrolls written in the Torah by Moses. This Torah is the Law.

That handwriting is taken away.

Where it reads( my sabbath) is the lords day the weekly
7th day, where it reads (your sabbath ) the lords Sabbath
looks back to creation all other Sabbaths look forward to
Christ.only they were a Shadow of things to come, the7th
day sabbath is the lords, its the lords day, all the other
sabbath are referred to as your Sabbath.

Leviticus 23 contains all the appointed times starting
with the most frequent, the weekly Sabbath. Then there
are annual days primarily set by the day of the month.
The two exceptions are first fruits and weeks. Each of
these follow a weekly Sabbath. The first follows the
first Sabbath after Passover; the second follows the
seventh Sabbath. Many of the annual days are also
days of no work and could be considered like a
Sabbath. Some are actually called a Sabbath:
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the
seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall
ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of
trumpets, an holy convocation. (Leviticus 23:24
KJV)
Day of Atonement is also a Sabbath:
It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall
afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at
even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your
sabbath. (Leviticus 23:32 KJV)
The seventh month begins with a 10-day period which
will include at least one weekly Sabbath. Therefore in
that week there will be Sabbaths (one weekly and one
annual).
The pattern of plural and singular use of Sabbath
continues in the New Testament. The Englishman's
Concordance lists 68 occurrences of Sabbath - 25 are
plural and 43 singular. Many of the plural uses make
sense when considered as speaking to the weekly
Sabbath. For example:
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been
brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into
the synagogue on the Sabbath(s) day, and stood
up for to read. (Luke 4:16 KJV)
Some plural uses cannot mean weekly Sabbaths:
Now upon the first day of the week (sabbaton),
very early in the morning, they came unto the
sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had
prepared, and certain others with them. (Luke
24:1 KJV)
The plural form of Sabbath is translated as "the first
day of the week". The actual language is "They came
to the tomb very early morning Sabbaths..." Since the
resurrection took place following a period of 3-days
and 3-nights, only one Sabbath could be weekly. The
translations are not wrong in that the correct day of the
week is rendered (Sunday, the day after the Sabbath).
What has happened is that the calendar before the
resurrection has become obscured. The only way to get
more than one Sabbath into a 3-day period of time is
to include an annual day. Luke understood the first day
of Unleavened Bread as a "Sabbath" since it was a day
of no work. In other words, the resurrection occurred
on Sunday after the Sabbaths of the first day of
Unleavened Bread and the weekly Sabbath.
Luke is not alone in using the plural form of Sabbath
when describing the resurrection. It is one of those
aspects of the Gospel which is found in all four
accounts: Mark 16:2, Matthew 28:1 (twice), Luke 24:1,
and John 20:1 and 20:19. Since the plural was used in
all four accounts and since the weekly Sabbaths are 7
days apart and since Jesus was in the tomb 3 days,
the second Sabbath must be the first day of
Unleavened Bread.

JMAN05:


The link didn't discuss the division of the law into 3 aspects nor give scriptural backing for it.

ARE THEY STILL BINDING?
How many commandments are contained in the Ten
Commandments? Does that sound like a foolish question?
Then consider the fact that thousands of religious people
would give an answer like “94” or “110.” You see, there is a
strange belief on the part of many that the great God-written
law of the Ten Commandments was actually a part of the
ceremonial law of Moses which contained scores of specific
regulations. They do not see the decalogue as being distinct
and totally unique because of its divine authorship. Neither do
they see the clear limitation which the Bible sets for this moral
code by calling it the TEN Commandments.
It seems quite obvious that one would effectively do away with
the “Ten Commandments” by mingling them with ninety or a
hundred others and calling them “ordinances” instead of
commandments. Such a radical effort has been made to dilute
the force of the only words of the Bible which God wrote with
His own hand. Furthermore, the claim has been advanced that
since the Ten Commandments were a part of the mosaic law
of ordinances which ended at the cross, we are no more
obligated to obey the decalogue than we are to offer lambs in
sacrifice.
Is there proof positive in the Scriptures that there was no such
blending of the ceremonial and moral law into one? Can it be
shown that the Ten Commandments were of a permanent,
perpetual nature while the ceremonial law of statutes and
ordinances came to an end when Jesus died? Indeed there is
abundance of evidence to answer these questions with a
resounding yes!
God made known this distinction to His servant Moses, and
Moses explained it to the people at Mt. Horeb. “And he
declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to
perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon
two tables of stone. And the Lord commanded me at that time
to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in
the land whither ye go over to possess it” (Deuteronomy 4:13,
14).
Please notice how Moses clearly separated the Ten
Commandments, which “he commanded you,” from the
statutes which “he commanded me” to give the people. The
big question now is whether those statutes and judgments,
which Moses passed on to the people, were designated as a
separate and distinct “law.”
God answers that important question in such a way that no
doubt can remain. “Neither will I make the feet of Israel move
any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they
will observe to do according to all that I have commanded
them and according to all the law that my servant Moses
commanded them” (2 Kings 21:. Here we are assured that
the statutes which Moses gave the people were called a “law.”
Any child can discern that two different laws are being
described. God speaks of the law “I commanded” and also the
“law ... Moses commanded.” Unless this truth is understood
properly, limitless confusion will result.
Daniel was inspired to make the same careful distinction when
he prayed for the desolated sanctuary of his scattered nation.
“Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing,
that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is
poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of
Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against
him” (Daniel 9:11).
Once more we see “thy law” and “the law of Moses,” and this
time the two are recognized as different in content. There are
no curses recorded in the Ten Commandments that God
wrote, but the law which Moses wrote contained an
abundance of such curses and judgments.
The major point of difference between the law of God and the
law of Moses, though, lies in the way they were recorded and
preserved. We have already cited Moses’ statement that God
“wrote them (the Ten Commandments) upon two tables of
stone” (Deuteronomy 4:13). Compare that with Exodus 31:18,
“two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the
finger of God.”
No one can confuse this writing with the way the mosaic law
was produced. “And Moses wrote this law ... And it came to
pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of
this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses
commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of
the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the
side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it
may be there for a witness against thee” (Deuteronomy 31:9,
24-26). This book of statutes and judgments which Moses
wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark.
In contrast, the law written by God on tables of stone was
placed inside the ark of the covenant. “And thou shalt put into
the ark the testimony which I shall give thee” (Exodus 25:16).
At this point we can note several distinctions in the two laws.
They had different authors, were written on different material,
were placed in different locations and had totally different
content.

JMAN05:


All that God expect from us which is in harmony with His will and personality. As flesh that we are, we are inclined towards wrongdoing, exhibiting qualities contrary to God's personality.

Some of the works that our flesh are inclined to manifest are listed in Gal 5:19-21.

The law of God (10commandments) is quite different from the law of Moses which I have demonstrated to you.

What I want to do now is to highlight or draw your attention to the eternal nature of God's law.
After God gave Moses the 10commandments which were written by the finger of God himself.
God instructed Moses to put the 2tables of stone on which the 10commandments were written into the Ark of covenant.

Remember God has told Moses that the Ark and the temple were replica or were patterned after the ones in Heaven.

While the law of Moses was put by the side of the Ark the 10commandments were put inside the Ark.
Over 2000yrs later God's servant John was given a revelation of God's temple in Heaven and he saw the Ark of Convanent of God in the temple with the testament or 10commandments still there.

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Note The Ark stands for God's presences.

The 10commandments are the foundation of God's government they show us how to love God and our neighbors, it is a reflection of who God is.
Abolishing the 10commandments is like God abolishing himself and government.

No wonder Jesus said that till Heaven and Earth pass away one T or dot will not pass away from the law till all is fulfilled.

JMAN05:


All that God expect from us which is in harmony with His will and personality. As flesh that we are, we are inclined towards wrongdoing, exhibiting qualities contrary to God's personality.

Some of the works that our flesh are inclined to manifest are listed in Gal 5:19-21.

Please click and read with logic and without biase


https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/27/t/feast-days-and-sabbaths

JMAN05:


Can you pls explain the Bible portion you quoted. It seems to be against your comment.

Just as a man's will cannot be changed after his death, so also nothing could be added or removed from the10 commandments after the death of Jesus.

blueAgent:


This bible verse says lawlessness not principles.

If I may ask what are the principles? can you state them?

Lol. You want me to state Bible principles to you? Are you a spiritual man? You want someone to tell you the spirit behind the law?

blueAgent:



You are boxing yourself into a corner.

How do I know that sleeping with Ijeoma my girlfriend is a sin?
Tell me how, because society said so I because of what?


You are just giving plan answer, be precise.
What are God's standard, principles,ways and will, how do we know what they are?

If you sleep with Ijeoma unmarried and God views it from heaven, will God say you are doing good or bad?

JMAN05:


If you sleep with Ijeoma unmarried and God views it from heaven, will God say you are doing good or bad?

Bad.
tell me how do I know it is bad?

JMAN05:


Lol. You want me to state Bible principles to you? Are you a spiritual man? You want someone to tell you the spirit behind the law?

You see yourself?

How you are digress and running away because your narratives cannot hold water.

OK. tell me what is the spirit behind the law?

blueAgent:


Do you know that all over the World that the 10 Commandments is the foundation for most laws in any country?

If Men and Nations still have laws that stipulate or regulate Human conduct, then is it God 's government that will now abolish its own laws?

What would happen if in Nigeria and US the government decides to abolish laws against killing,fraud stealing e.t.c and saying we will be living by the principles?(I wonder what that means)

A spiritual man goes beyond law, he sees the principles.

However, I didn't say true Christians have no law. The Greek scriptures are filled with what a Christian shouldn't do. I have given you example in the book of Gal 5:19-21. That was not a copy of the ten commandments. It's different. There are others.

On the other hand, if you want to observe the law of the Jews, you observe all of it. We have discussed that.

blueAgent:


Where you expecting to see it stated by names?

There is more than enough evidence to show that each of the law was different and served different purposes.
while there where areas that overlapped in the laws, each served its purpose.
the 10commandments were written by God himself and placed inside the Ark

That of Moses was written by Moses through inspiration from God and placed by the side of the Ark.

Nothing stop God ROM writing all the laws rather than only ten, and nothing stops both laws from been put inside the Ark.

Stop looking for excuse where there is none.

So should I include that there is no division of the law into 3 sections in the Bible as you posit?

The law is intertwined. I have proved it with Jesus discussion on Matt 5, a chapter you yourself quoted. We have discussed this. Don't take me back. If you have more strong point, pls bring it. Scriptural point.

blueAgent:


You are calling Jesus liar.

◄ Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.



Jesus would be a liar if fulfill means to abolish or destroy.
So who abolished the law one you claim?

Your translation.
I have not come to abolish the law or the prophets but to destroy,stop, cease,crush,dismantle,end, eradicate e.t.c
Where is the sense and logic?


Synonyms for destroy
consume
crush
damage
dismantle
end
eradicate
gut
impair
kill
maim
ravage
raze
ruin
sabotage
shatter
smash
wipe out
wreck
abort
annihilate
annul
axe
butcher
cream
deface
desolate
despoil
dispatch
erase
exterminate
extinguish
extirpate
level
liquidate
mar
maraud
mutilate
nuke
nullify
overturn
quash
quell
ravish
slay
suppress
torpedo
total
trash
vaporize
waste
wax
zap
blot out
break down
lay waste
snuff out
spoliate
stamp out
swallow up
tear down



Synonyms for fulfill
accomplish
achieve
answer
conclude
conform
discharge
do
effect
effectuate
execute
fill
finish
implement
keep
meet
obey
observe
perfect
perform
please
realize
render
satisfy
score
suffice
suit
be just the ticket
carry out
comply with
fill the bill
hit the bull's-eye
make it
make the grade

We v discussed that. Bring fresh strong points.

blueAgent:




Where it reads( my sabbath) is the lords day the weekly
7th day, where it reads (your sabbath ) the lords Sabbath
looks back to creation all other Sabbaths look forward to
Christ.only they were a Shadow of things to come, the7th
day sabbath is the lords, its the lords day, all the other
sabbath are referred to as your Sabbath.

Leviticus 23 contains all the appointed times starting
with the most frequent, the weekly Sabbath. Then there
are annual days primarily set by the day of the month.
The two exceptions are first fruits and weeks. Each of
these follow a weekly Sabbath. The first follows the
first Sabbath after Passover; the second follows the
seventh Sabbath. Many of the annual days are also
days of no work and could be considered like a
Sabbath. Some are actually called a Sabbath:
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the
seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall
ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of
trumpets, an holy convocation. (Leviticus 23:24
KJV)
Day of Atonement is also a Sabbath:
It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall
afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at
even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your
sabbath. (Leviticus 23:32 KJV)
The seventh month begins with a 10-day period which
will include at least one weekly Sabbath. Therefore in
that week there will be Sabbaths (one weekly and one
annual).
The pattern of plural and singular use of Sabbath
continues in the New Testament. The Englishman's
Concordance lists 68 occurrences of Sabbath - 25 are
plural and 43 singular. Many of the plural uses make
sense when considered as speaking to the weekly
Sabbath. For example:
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been
brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into
the synagogue on the Sabbath(s) day, and stood
up for to read. (Luke 4:16 KJV)
Some plural uses cannot mean weekly Sabbaths:
Now upon the first day of the week (sabbaton),
very early in the morning, they came unto the
sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had
prepared, and certain others with them. (Luke
24:1 KJV)
The plural form of Sabbath is translated as "the first
day of the week". The actual language is "They came
to the tomb very early morning Sabbaths..." Since the
resurrection took place following a period of 3-days
and 3-nights, only one Sabbath could be weekly. The
translations are not wrong in that the correct day of the
week is rendered (Sunday, the day after the Sabbath).
What has happened is that the calendar before the
resurrection has become obscured. The only way to get
more than one Sabbath into a 3-day period of time is
to include an annual day. Luke understood the first day
of Unleavened Bread as a "Sabbath" since it was a day
of no work. In other words, the resurrection occurred
on Sunday after the Sabbaths of the first day of
Unleavened Bread and the weekly Sabbath.
Luke is not alone in using the plural form of Sabbath
when describing the resurrection. It is one of those
aspects of the Gospel which is found in all four
accounts: Mark 16:2, Matthew 28:1 (twice), Luke 24:1,
and John 20:1 and 20:19. Since the plural was used in
all four accounts and since the weekly Sabbaths are 7
days apart and since Jesus was in the tomb 3 days,
the second Sabbath must be the first day of
Unleavened Bread.

I can't understand how the above relates to my comment you quoted.