Most of us on this forum are educated and of age... Some of us have first had experiences with white people.. Given what we know about them and also learned about them. Do you seriously think that if Jesus was the answer to anything, the white man will give him to us?..
Or if there really was a heaven and only the white man know how to get there, do you really think they would want any black man to come along...

Matured answers only..

Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

spartan117:
Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

Way to were? Truth about what?... I have been enjoying life without him so far... I know a lot of people who do too...

So?

sonmvayina:
Most of us on this forum are educated and of age... Some of us have first had experiences with white people.. Given what we know about them and also learned about them. Do you seriously think that if Jesus was the answer to anything, the white man will give him to us?

One great pity about most on here is they do 'religion', as in, base their opinion on their beliefs and not on what they conclusively know. One sees this reflected in the assumptions we make when we use terms without defining what they mean like your use of the word "Jesus" with no definition of what you mean by it whilst assuming your understanding is everyone else's. Narrowness of thought or the overestimation of one's capabilities to comprehend might make one think Jesus is only what one reads in a Bible and according to one's own capability to understand, but anyone who has done a tiny amount of research would know that the word 'Jesus' requires a whole lot more delving into than a literal uninformed understanding. Let me therefore give you one definition of Jesus to show you the forest in eyes. Do note that it is one, and not definitive.

"In the beginning was the Word (λόγος, logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

There, Jesus Christ in a nutshell, though we must admit the "white people" also brought us Adam and Eve, and Moses, Abraham, Samuel, Samson, Ruth, Mary, Susanna, Peter, James and Paul, to name only a few randoms from the Bible, plus all other learning that has come through it and "white people" in the last 2000 or so years - cars, tap water, the internet, schools, critical thinking skills, etc.

Those who don't know history would not know that those who brought us Jesus had to fight to have Jesus for themselves. The book that taught about him was kept in an unreadable written language for the majority of their time until those who read it began disseminating its content to the masses, eventually forming education institutions to teach its reading then going further by translating it into the language of the masses, and dying to do so. Learning the Jesus book along with other books, formalised the language they have today and freed people by giving them tools to oppose their oppressors, which they wouldn't have been able to do if they had not learned to read. Without it, most of the world would be Babel, as we see in parts of Northern Nigeria where their equivalent of Jesus is kept in a language many can not read by those who's mantra is boko haram which means, no logos as in 'you all remain ignorant and stupid so that you can be the more easily exploited'!

It's sad to say, and many do not agree, but the state that Africa is currently in is due to us trailing other nations in the acquisition of the written word, or, Logos, shall I say. The rest of the world and parts of Africa had been making words for millennia before we were brought it in the form of Jesus books, and we have in no way caught up yet with not enough people reading the few books available to us. Thanks to the internet, this is changing, but we still lag far behind in our reading of words rate and the variety of those words and our understanding of those words, which shows up in our lack of ability to govern ourselves.

So, to your question. "Do you seriously think that if Jesus was the answer to anything, the white man will give him to us?"

My answer is yes, the white man did give it to you, though you would need to understand that "Jesus" is a lot more than what you are assuming Jesus to be (think of it as a horse on which other things like democracy, a central bank, a standing army, regulated schools, capitalism, liberalism, rode on), but just as we have Nigerians who hate others and would sell their own people as slaves - "white people" waited at the coast for us to sell them our own people from the interior that they could not penetrate - so too do we, like them, have people who fight for the emancipation of others, through education, or rather, giving you Jesus, which we hope would open your eyes so that you know how to make your learning of and about Jesus, the "answer to anything".

budaatum:

One great pity about most on here is they do 'religion', as in, base their opinion on their beliefs and not on what they conclusively know. One sees this reflected in the assumptions we make when we use terms without defining what they mean like your use of the word "Jesus" with no definition of what you mean by it whilst assuming your understanding is everyone else's. Narrowness of thought or the overestimation of one's capabilities to comprehend might make one think Jesus is only what one reads in a Bible and according to one's own capability to understand, but anyone who has done a tiny amount of research would know that the word 'Jesus' requires a whole lot more delving into than a literal uninformed understanding. Let me therefore give you one definition of Jesus to show you the forest in eyes. Do note that it is one, and not definitive.

"In the beginning was the Word (λόγος, logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

There, Jesus Christ in a nutshell, though we must admit the "white people" also brought us Adam and Eve, and Moses, Abraham, Samuel, Samson, Ruth, Mary, Susanna, Peter, James and Paul, to name only a few randoms from the Bible, plus all other learning that has come through it and "white people" in the last 2000 or so years - cars, tap water, the internet, schools, critical thinking skills, etc.

Those who don't know history would not know that those who brought us Jesus had to fight to have Jesus for themselves. The book that taught about him was kept in an unreadable written language for the majority of their time until those who read it began disseminating its content to the masses, eventually forming education institutions to teach its reading then going further by translating it into the language of the masses, and dying to do so. Learning the Jesus book along with other books, formalised the language they have today and freed people by giving them tools to oppose their oppressors, which they wouldn't have been able to do if they had not learned to read. Without it, most of the world would be Babel, as we see in parts of Northern Nigeria where their equivalent of Jesus is kept in a language many can not read by those who's mantra is boko haram which means, no logos as in 'you all remain ignorant and stupid so that you can be the more easily exploited'!

It's sad to say, and many do not agree, but the state that Africa is currently in is due to us trailing other nations in the acquisition of the written word, or, Logos, shall I say. The rest of the world and parts of Africa had been making words for millennia before we were brought it in the form of Jesus books, and we have in no way caught up yet with not enough people reading the few books available to us. Thanks to the internet, this is changing, but we still lag far behind in our reading of words rate and the variety of those words and our understanding of those words, which shows up in our lack of ability to govern ourselves.

So, to your question. "Do you seriously think that if Jesus was the answer to anything, the white man will give him to us?"

My answer is yes, the white man did give it to you, though you would need to understand that "Jesus" is a lot more than what you are assuming Jesus to be (think of it as a horse on which other things like democracy, a central bank, a standing army, regulated schools, capitalism, liberalism, rode on), but just as we have Nigerians who hate others and would sell their own people as slaves - "white people" waited at the coast for us to sell them our own people from the interior that they could not penetrate - so too do we, like them, have people who fight for the emancipation of others, through education, or rather, giving you Jesus, which we hope would open your eyes so that you know how to make your learning of and about Jesus, the "answer to anything".

You are just beating about the Bush, can you please hit the nail on its head.

sonmvayina:


You are just beating about the Bush, can you please hit the nail on its head.

The bush needed beating!

budaatum:

So, to your question. "Do you seriously think that if Jesus was the answer to anything, the white man will give him to us?"

My answer is yes, the white man did give it to you, though you would need to understand that "Jesus" is a lot more than what you are assuming Jesus to be (think of it as a horse on which other things like democracy, a central bank, a standing army, regulated schools, capitalism, liberalism, rode on), but just as we have Nigerians who hate others and would sell their own people as slaves - "white people" waited at the coast for us to sell them our own people from the interior that they could not penetrate - so too do we, like them, have people who fight for the emancipation of others, through education, or rather, giving you Jesus, which we hope would open your eyes so that you know how to make your learning of and about Jesus, the "answer to anything".

budaatum:

The bush needed beating!

You still don't understand it,?.. What solution did Jesus provide for the white prior to the age of enlightenment,?.. "and since it's introduction to Africans what solution has it provided for us..

China resisted it's introduction to their society.. They developed at their own pace.. Look where they are now.. India is not far behind.

Why did we not take the Education like India did and reject their Jesus... Was it not possible..

sonmvayina:
You still don't understand it,?.. What solution did Jesus provide for the white prior to the age of enlightenment,?.. "and since it's introduction to Africans what solution has it provided for us..

The age of enlightenment came out of the age that preceeded it, and by my own recollection, that age was full of Jesus! As for "since it's introduction to Africans", school, to name one, you writing in English, another. You'd likely do neither if not for "white man".

sonmvayina:
China resisted it's introduction to their society.. They developed at their own pace.. Look where they are now.. India is not far behind.

China's adoption of Buddhism from India over 2000 years ago would be the equivalent. They actually sent to India to beg for it. See too how they have adopted communism and capitalism but resist Islam and Christianity. They are smart like that, caring not so much about the cat's colour so long as it catches mice for them.

sonmvayina:
Why did we not take the Education like India did and reject their Jesus... Was it not possible..

I doubt you'd be comparing Nigeria to China and India if you knew their very very long history! India had an advanced system of their own like China did, both with extensive detailed word and school, which we lacked, and which made it less possible for us to "reject their Jesus". We would have rejected it if we too had a system of our own that we considered superior to Jesus.

sonmvayina:
Most of us on this forum are educated and of age... Some of us have first had experiences with white people.. Given what we know about them and also learned about them. Do you seriously think that if Jesus was the answer to anything, the white man will give him to us?..
Or if there really was a heaven and only the white man know how to get there, do you really think they would want any black man to come along...

Matured answers only..

You see how foolish you sound?

Let's say - hypothetically, of course - the whites had Yahushua, whom I guess you refer to as Jesus, to give, they still would have given it to others. Do you think they are as selfish as you are?

Yahushua the Messiah was never anybody's possession that he/she should give away.

The Glad Tidings of YHVH Almighty had to emanate from his inheritance, the Israelites, and through them to others.

You want mature answers while you're as puerile as most atheists on this forum.

Your calculated assault on the Word of YHVH Almighty will always bring you and your likes perpetual humiliation.

Racist fool. Share the experience you have had with whites. Also, share the experience you have had with your fellow blacks.

The saints of YHVH Almighty will never subscribe to your racism.

The body of Yahushua the Messiah is made up of people of all tribes, ethnicities and races. Neither you nor your father, the devil, is ever going to change that.

sonmvayina:


Way to were? Truth about what?... I have been enjoying life without him so far... I know a lot of people who do too...

So?

Look at this shallow being.

elated177:



Look at this shallow being.

Stop smoking that stuff, it is not good for your health. Can't you see you can't think straight again...

sonmvayina:


Stop smoking that stuff, it is not good for your health. Can't you see you can't think straight again...

Do people still use that lame line. Utter rubbish.

Hakeem12:
I just read about a woman today born without a uterus who gave birth to a baby, this was achievable with uterus transplant from a diseased donor. An almost impossible feat till science made it possible. Science will and continue to do more for humans on earth than a fictional Jesus or Mohammad ever will. What has Jesus done for the wildfires in Australia? No amount of prayers seem to be working over there, the result of climate change, nothing else. The crises in the middle east is there, no amount of prayers or Jesus can solve that. There's so much going on in the world right now. I'm surprised people still preach about anyone being the way with how far we have come.

The funniest and narcissistic thing about religious people is every one of them, no matter the religion they practice, believe they were born into the right religion. In their minds, others are going to hell, but them alone will make heaven. Come on, how stupid is that? If you are born in America, you are more likely to be a Christian, born I'm Pakistan, more likely a Muslim, more of a geographic thing.

Exactly my brother... People just don't want to accept the fact that they have been sold a dummy.. In Jesus..

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just read about a woman today born without a uterus who gave birth to a baby, this was achievable with uterus transplant from a diseased donor. An almost impossible feat till science made it possible

But jesus and science are not mutually exclusive, are they? science actually started from philosophy, and philosophy those days was tied to religion in a way.

Science will and continue to do more for humans on earth than a fictional Jesus or Mohammad ever will. What has Jesus done for the wildfires in Australia? No amount of prayers seem to be working over there, the result of climate change, nothing else. The crises in the middle east is there, no amount of prayers or Jesus can solve that. There's so much going on in the world right now.

[b]Well, even the prayer of jesus himself to his father, that if it be possible he should be saved from death, that prayer was not answered the way jesus may have wanted it then, but it doesn't negate prayer. Perhaps he was strengthened to face the sufferings after speaking to his father in prayer, or so the story goes.

I'm surprised people still preach about anyone being the way with how far we have come.

Well l believe the person of jesus is the way, or may l say the jesus character of self sacrificial love is the way to eternal life.

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This shows you know very little about religion in general. Out of all the thousands of religons in the world, the concept of hell only exist in about three or four of them. So you are not attacking religion specifically, you are simply against mainstream christianity and perhaps islam as well.

Hakeem12:
I just read about a woman today born without a uterus who gave birth to a baby, this was achievable with uterus transplant from a diseased donor. An almost impossible feat till science made it possible. Science will and continue to do more for humans on earth than a fictional Jesus or Mohammad ever will.

Some would say "Jesus or Mohammed" did this. Pity is many can't understand how an idea ("Jesus or Mohammed" ), evolved into science, and can't see science in "God said, 'Let there be Light'". They can't see God evolving at all. But we find its because they do not see, or in non religio, they understand not. And being the measure of things, their understanding is how things are. Yet, all you do is call the pointing finger the moon.

Hakeem12:
The funniest and narcissistic thing about religious people is every one of them, no matter the religion they practice, believe they were born into the right religion. In their minds, others are going to hell, but them alone will make heaven. Come on, how stupid is that? If you are born in America, you are more likely to be a Christian, born in Pakistan, more likely a Muslim, more of a geographic thing.

You are obviously narrow in your experience of people. And you measure religion by the few you have come across. Are you aware at all that religious books are huge, and few read them?

Here's a verse from the Quran stating the error of your assumption above:

O you men! surely We have created you from male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is all Knowing and Aware. (49:13)

See. "Careful of his duty", and not, going about thinking one is righteous and other's are damned.

And in Christianity, we have the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2018:9-14&version=NIV]Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector[/url], the proplogue of which states: To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable.

It is not religion that makes people "believe they were born into the right religion and others are going to hell", hakeem. Even you, who I assume is not religious, seem to think your thinking is the right thinking and that of religious people would lead them to hell. It must be the thinking you adopted from where you were born, though I'm certain you would argue you are different.

budaatum:

Some would say "Jesus or Mohammed" did this. Pity is many can't understand how an idea ("Jesus or Mohammed" ), evolved into science, and can't see science in "God said, 'Let there be Light'". They can't see God evolving at all. But we find its because they do not see, or in non religio, they understand not. And being the measure of things, their understanding is how things are. Yet, all you do is call the pointing finger the moon.


You are obviously narrow in your experience of people. And you measure religion by the few you have come across. Are you aware at all that religious books are huge, and few read them?

Here's a verse from the Quran stating the error of your assumption above:

O you men! surely We have created you from male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is all Knowing and Aware. (49:13)

See. "Careful of his duty", and not, going about thinking one is righteous and other's are damned.

And in Christianity, we have the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2018:9-14&version=NIV]Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector[/url], the proplogue of which states: To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable.

It is not religion that makes people "believe they were born into the right religion and others are going to hell", hakeem. Even you, who I assume is not religious, seem to think your thinking is the right thinking and that of religious people would lead them to hell. It must be the thinking you adopted from where you were born, though I'm certain you would argue you are different.

I don't assume my thinking is the right thinking, neither do I assume the thinking of religious people will lead them to a place I don't even believe exists.

Hakeem12:
I don't assume my thinking is the right thinking, neither do I assume the thinking of religious people will lead them to a place I don't even believe exists.

Abi oh..

Hakeem12:
I don't assume my thinking is the right thinking, neither do I assume the thinking of religious people will lead them to a place I don't even believe exists.

But that's the problem, the "place I don't even believe exists". I'm sure you mean heaven or hell, as in places some imagine they go after they die despite it being clearly stated that "dust thou art and to dust will you return", and all the evidence showing that we place dead bodies in a box six feet under where they rot and become worm food. Seems some chose to rely on the crap they create (or that someone else created) in their own heads and believe while claiming they are not believers, which is exactly what they are.

I wonder why atheists, as in those who claim to rely on evidence, cannot recognise heaven and hell on this earth. Is it because they are so blind that they cannot see some burning in hell right here on this earth while some are enjoying heavenly bliss? Or is it because they just can't think for themselves, I wonder.

budaatum:

But that's the problem, the "place I don't even believe exists". I'm sure you mean heaven or hell, as in places some imagine they go after they die despite it being clearly stated that "dust thou art and to dust will you return", and all the evidence showing that we place dead bodies in a box six feet under where they rot and become worm food. Seems some chose to rely on the crap they create (or that someone else created) in their own heads and believe while claiming they are not believers, which is exactly what they are.

I wonder why atheists, as in those who claim to rely on evidence, cannot recognise heaven and hell on this earth. Is it because they are so blind that they cannot see some burning in hell right here on this earth while some are enjoying heavenly bliss? Or is it because they just can't think for themselves, I wonder.

They just don't think... So sad.. That aside, you know you did not answer my question.. OK, let me put it in a different way :if there is a heaven, and only white people know that it is only through Jesus one can get there.. Do you think they would tell Africans about it?

sonmvayina:


They just don't think... So sad.. That aside, you know you did not answer my question.. OK, let me put it in a different way :if there is a heaven, and only white people know that it is only through Jesus one can get there.. Do you think they would tell Africans about it?

First, what is heaven? (I'm jumping over 'What is Jesus' because you do not seem to want to engage with that yet).

In UK, they sing about creating Jerusalem. Its derived from Blakes poem, which I'll post below.

They used to believe heaven and hell was a place you go when you die but now understand it is a place we create right here on earth, and is the meaning of "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

They, after centuries of thinking heaven and hell was for the afterlife, now understand that those who do what God commanded are the one's whom God will bless with a heavenly existence here on earth, and those who don't will live short brutal hellish lives right here on earth too. Compare average life expectancy in UK at 80.96 years in 2016, with Nigeria's 53.43 years and tell me if one is not much closer to heaven and the other hell.

You question is mute since they already did what you ask if they would do and they told Africans about Jesus.

Blake's poem
And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon Englands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold:
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Englands green & pleasant Land.

sonmvayina:


They just don't think... So sad.. That aside, you know you did not answer my question.. OK, let me put it in a different way :if there is a heaven, and only white people know that it is only through Jesus one can get there.. Do you think they would tell Africans about it?

Well apart from jesus, white people have also sold a lot of things to us like electricity, cars, computers, planes, etc. So why is the jesus own so special to you?
l can also ask you if white people knew that learning computer programs could lead to great advancement in technology, would they have sold computers to us? would they have taught our ancestors how to read and write, if they thought that knowledge is power and a great way to progress?
You see why your question makes no sense?

Whenever he says "Jesus", this is precisely where my mind goes, along with education, roads and proper ways to do certain things to get the desired results.

Daejoyoung:

like electricity, cars, computers, planes,

budaatum:
Whenever he says "Jesus", this is precisely where my mind goes, along with education, roads and proper ways to do certain things to get the desired results.

Abi o

Jesus is The Righteous. Humans are born selfish. Selfishness always gravitates towards Righteousness. The White man throws Jesus to everyone that those who have Conscience may relate. The white man is not selfish but reasonable and seeks Justice, Righteousness and Sovereignty in The Blood of Jesus Christ.

Daejoyoung:

Well apart from jesus, white people have also sold a lot of things to us like electricity, cars, computers, planes, etc. So why is the jesus own so special to you?
l can also ask you if white people knew that learning computer programs could lead to great advancement in technology, would they have sold computers to us? would they have taught our ancestors how to read and write, if they thought that knowledge is power and a great way to progress?
You see why your question makes no sense?

You just lack the ability of independent thought, so sad, but it is not my fault..

I think the OP is referring to the secretive nature of Nigerians, they believe anything of value has to be a secret.

Sometimes they keep secrets simply on account of their tendency to be secretive, not because the secret is actually one, or even important.

Daejoyoung:

Well apart from jesus, white people have also sold a lot of things to us like electricity, cars, computers, planes, etc. So why is the jesus own so special to you?
l can also ask you if white people knew that learning computer programs could lead to great advancement in technology, would they have sold computers to us? would they have taught our ancestors how to read and write, if they thought that knowledge is power and a great way to progress?
You see why your question makes no sense?

concise and precise.

sonmvayina:


Way to were? Truth about what?... I have been enjoying life without him so far... I know a lot of people who do too...

So?

Ok.

spartan117:

Ok.

Go on...

One would have thought by now ,the American and European would have been invoking the "name above all other name"as a cure for covid 19..but alas,they are obeying the scientist and pharmacist..and looking up to them for salvation...
If the name Jesus,even have 5% of power,they will never share it with us..

sonmvayina:
One would have thought by now, the American and European would have been invoking the "name above all other name"as a cure for covid 19..but alas,they are obeying the scientist and pharmacist..and looking up to them for salvation...
If the name Jesus, even have 5% of power, they will never share it with us..

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You better and go hire charge & bail lawyer for your arrested helpless god there

One would have thought your gods and ancestors would get off sitting on their hands than be sitting at the back of a pick up truck after getting arrested for being a nuisance, menace and for disobeying the lockdown order