plainol:
The moment Miyetti Allah disagreed, I knew those in government will start running helter skelter to please them.

First stage activated, more to follow.

Buhari who mischievously coined the word 'Farmers/Herders clashes' knew what he was doing. He was only trying to turn it to 2 fighting from invasion and land theft.

We may fall into another civil war. Buhari is doing his best to make sure Herdsmen steal as much land as possible during his tenure. He is only setting them up for massacre. A possible genocide loading.

The genocide might not be outright but systemic. That man has sown a seed of hatred for Herdsmen amongst Nigerians.

He wants to install them like the British installed the Isrealis on Palestinians.

You said his argument doesn't hold water, yet your argument supported him. Where was AGF when the North was forming its own security outfit? He was in a coma then, abi?

plainol:
The moment Miyetti Allah disagreed, I knew those in government will start running helter skelter to please them.

First stage activated, more to follow.

Buhari who mischievously coined the word 'Farmers/Herders clashes' knew what he was doing. He was only trying to turn it to 2 fighting from invasion and land theft.

We may fall into another civil war. Buhari is doing his best to make sure Herdsmen steal as much land as possible during his tenure. He is only setting them up for massacre. A possible genocide loading.

The genocide might not be outright but systemic. That man has sown a seed of hatred for Herdsmen amongst Nigerians.

He wants to install them like the [ b] British installed the Isrealis on Palestinians[/b].

Where did you get this information from ?

This is exactly what I say about Nigeria, her confused citizens and disorganised leadership. Act first, talk later, think finally.... and it doesn't matter if they are as ignorant as the man in the countryside or as kearned as those who sleep on the 'bench at the bar', the cart must always be put before the horse.

I just cannot for the life of me understand why the debates we hear endlessly in the media, all the legal brickbats and administrative hullabaloo could not simply have been sorted, done and dusted before action was taken.

We are supposed to live in a democracy where the hallmark is DISCUSSION & CONSENSUS on all matters of state, law and union. Why couldn't the States involved consult the SAN before decision making, why couldn't they get the National Assembly first to clear things up. You get fundamental debates taking place in parliaments and Legislatures throughout the world except in Nigeria where their only serious input to state administration starts and ends with the annual National Budget.

The question I continue to ask. What is the role of the 18 or so Senators and 50, 60 or 70 Reps members from the South West that cost the tax payer billions of naira each year. Are they not responsible for smoothening out inter state relationships and cross cultural prospecting?....

Abeg, I am busy, later...

Oh

Malami is an old hypocrite! He's so incompetent and very dull.. Killing of people is not a problem to him but trying to prevent the killings is his and his brothers headache. Why are they even scared of Amotekun?

Amotekun is a security mystery that only God can unravel. They won't use gun but words to arrest errant criminals . If you know you know..

The Governors need to back this outfit with laws passed by their respective houses of assembly.

All the parallels being drawn with Hisbah and CJTF will the be firm and strong. Amotekun as it is now, is sitting on nothing. No law either by the House of Assembly or by the House of Rep is backing it up. Even if the Federal government will not agree with the state governments' law setting it up at least, they will not be able to single out Amotekun. And if they try to lump all together and declare them illegal, it will fastrack the changing of the constitution to allow state police.

As it is now, based on precedence from the setting up of Road Safety by the then Oyo State Government, Amotekun Hisbah and the likes of them are illegal and will be declared as such if it gets to court.

Oyo state lost the case on its road safety during the time of Bola Ige as governor, The court proscribed road safety as set up by Soyinka for Oyo state then. But UPN and NPN went into political solution to come up with a Federal Road Safety that exists till today.

Blue3k2:
I dont think his argument holds water. The supreme court could rule all these state security agencies are illegal. The sec 214 (1) of the constitution says no other police force can be established. The question is what defines a police force. I think item 68 of exclusive list would give the FG the win in court.

It's not like federal government enforces all the laws it has under its exclusive list like the minimum wage. When states pay dont pay workers the minimum wage who goes to jail or gets fined?

These constitution should just be amended. It seem a majority of states want decentralized policing. It's just as dumb to centralize prisons and fire arms in hands of federal government.

Constitution exclusive list:

2. Arms, ammunition and explosives. 
45. Police and other government security services established by law. 
48. Prisons
68. Any matter incidental or supplementary to any matter mentioned elsewhere in this list.

Section 214. (1) There shall be a police force for Nigeria, which shall be known as the Nigeria Police Force, and subject to the provisions of this section no other police force shall be established for the Federation or any part thereof.

You are evasive in your submission and I can see some element of manipulation in your points.

Come to think of it. Why do you compare common vigilante group to a police force. The law state that there shall be a police force alone....lemme educate you on this. Aside military force, no other forces has the immense authority in the land like police force...and after police force we have some paramilitary service that are subservient to all other forces....

Nigerians are being brainwashed to reasoning like zombies. Fear of freedom, fear of protecting themselves and their families and fear of speaking up against these Fulani and terrorist in government.

It is a disgrace to be a Nigerian.

Boscolo:


I think most people are getting this Amotekun wrong. "Mr brilliancy", can you tell me what is the difference between Hisba in Kano and Amotekun in the south west. Amotekun is not a police force, Amotekun is like a Vigilante. Now, is Vigilante a recognize group ?
Why, didn't the FG stop Ganduje from establishing the Hisba group? I think Malami is the most clueless AGF ever to come out from Nigeria.
Also, is it written in the constitution that you can defend yourself if your <b>life</b> is at risk. The only way is for the FG to scrapped every vigilante group in all the federation and only the police service and armed forces ll be the only recognized body in the country.

One issue with Nigerians is that everybody tend to know everything e.g A lawyer want to talk in the field of engineering, the same lawyer want to talk in the field of medicine, the same lawyer want to talk in the filed of forensic and accounting, hence complicating issue.
The day I gave up on Nigeria , was when some Nigerians came out to support Afunaya(DSS Spoke man) for saying that an accused will be knocked down if released, and many Nigerians said yes, even after the court has given the order to release the accused

Ebenezar2020:
Femi Falana has outgrown his relevance.
He should shove his opinion down his ass.

Femi Falana is not your father's mate talk less of you. Especially when it comes to knowledge, experience and patriotism. Shut the Bleep up.

Blue3k2:
I dont think his argument holds water. The supreme court could rule all these state security agencies are illegal. The sec 214 (1) of the constitution says no other police force can be established. The question is what defines a police force. I think item 68 of exclusive list would give the FG the win in court.

It's not like federal government enforces all the laws it has under its exclusive list like the minimum wage. When states pay dont pay workers the minimum wage who goes to jail or gets fined?

These constitution should just be amended. It seem a majority of states want decentralized policing. It's just as dumb to centralize prisons and fire arms in hands of federal government.

Constitution exclusive list:

2. Arms, ammunition and explosives. 
45. Police and other government security services established by law. 
48. Prisons
68. Any matter incidental or supplementary to any matter mentioned elsewhere in this list.

Section 214. (1) There shall be a police force for Nigeria, which shall be known as the Nigeria Police Force, and subject to the provisions of this section no other police force shall be established for the Federation or any part thereof.

In all these Epistle..

You have not explained to us how the Civilian JTF and Hisbah are allowed to operate and AMOTEKUN declared illegal?

That is what the layman wants to understand?

Agreed.

OkunrinMeta:


[s] femi Falana is not your father's mate talk less of you. Especially when it comes to knowledge, experience and patriotism. Shut the Bleep up. [/s]

ode ni e

Blue3k2:

Section 214. (1) There shall be a police force for Nigeria, which shall be known as the Nigeria Police Force, and subject to the provisions of this section no other police force shall be established for the Federation or any part thereof.

Love all your arguments its informative. But you have to see the big picture. Every one in power thinks he is their to champion his personal cause. seems government both past and present have failed to realize how fragile our unity is and they are gradually breaking bonds. Distrust is in the air.

If you leave with a friend and discover he comes home with other another fellow sheathing a knife. I will not blame you if you decide to sleep with a cutlass.

Blue3k2:
I dont think his argument holds water. The supreme court could rule all these state security agencies are illegal. The sec 214 (1) of the constitution says no other police force can be established. The question is what defines a police force. I think item 68 of exclusive list would give the FG the win in court.

It's not like federal government enforces all the laws it has under its exclusive list like the minimum wage. When states pay dont pay workers the minimum wage who goes to jail or gets fined?

These constitution should just be amended. It seem a majority of states want decentralized policing. It's just as dumb to centralize prisons and fire arms in hands of federal government.

Constitution exclusive list:

2. Arms, ammunition and explosives. 
45. Police and other government security services established by law. 
48. Prisons
68. Any matter incidental or supplementary to any matter mentioned elsewhere in this list.

Section 214. (1) There shall be a police force for Nigeria, which shall be known as the Nigeria Police Force, and subject to the provisions of this section no other police force shall be established for the Federation or any part thereof.

poor you! Forcing police force on this, if a neighborhood watch and an individual can apply for a gun and its constitutional, why can't a territorial watch not apply for guns by their governor, Anyway since the 6 Western governor s has cooperated on this no going back

ade002:


Love all your arguments its informative. But you have to see the big picture. Every one in power thinks he is their to champion his personal cause. seems government both past and present have failed to realize how fragile our unity is and they are gradually breaking bonds. Distrust is in the air.

If you leave with a friend and discover he comes home with other another fellow sheathing a knife. I will not blame you if you decide to sleep with a cutlass.

Thank you it's great talking to people who can grasp nuanced positions. Most of my mentions are filled with mouth breathers who assume im against decentralized police force. The only thing I dislike are half measures. Just amend the constitution do any tier of government can establish their own police force and prisons. It's that simple.

Meanwhile the National Assembly whose duty it is to amend the cfrn’99 to enhance the security of lives in Nigeria by allowing creation of State Police is playing deaf and dumb going about with heavy armed escorts because they know the short staffed federal only police can’t handle security effectively. One day their selfishness will get the better of them like it did the former Chief of Air Staff Bad Badeh!

They are as illegal as IPOB

Blue3k2:
I dont think his argument holds water. The supreme court could rule all these state security agencies are illegal. The sec 214 (1) of the constitution says no other police force can be established. The question is what defines a police force. I think item 68 of exclusive list would give the FG the win in court.

It's not like federal government enforces all the laws it has under its exclusive list like the minimum wage. When states pay dont pay workers the minimum wage who goes to jail or gets fined?

These constitution should just be amended. It seem a majority of states want decentralized policing. It's just as dumb to centralize prisons and fire arms in hands of federal government.

Constitution exclusive list:

2. Arms, ammunition and explosives. 
45. Police and other government security services established by law. 
48. Prisons
68. Any matter incidental or supplementary to any matter mentioned elsewhere in this list.

Section 214. (1) There shall be a police force for Nigeria, which shall be known as the Nigeria Police Force, and subject to the provisions of this section no other police force shall be established for the Federation or any part thereof.

I know about this, Falana knows about it, including the whole South West Govs.
What ate we fighting for?
Proper protection of lives & properties, curbing Fulani herdsmen mayhem.
Has the FG been successful in doing this? No!
Also, there is Hisbah, a religious outfit security in the north. You didn't see that has being wrong o.
Let me tell you who's greater than the supreme Court, the uniform voice of afflicted Nigerians.
Before the end of this year, many supreme Court verdicts LL be overturned by the people

Laid2001:
The Governors need to back this outfit with laws passed by their respective houses of assembly.

All the parallels being drawn with Hisbah and CJTF will the be firm and strong. Amotekun as it is now, is sitting on nothing. No law either by the House of Assembly or by the House of Rep is backing it up. Even if the Federal government will not agree with the state governments' law setting it up at least, they will not be able to single out Amotekun. And if they try to lump all together and declare them illegal, it will fastrack the changing of the constitution to allow state police.

As it is now, based on precedence from the setting up of Road Safety by the then Oyo State Government, Amotekun Hisbah and the likes of them are illegal and will be declared as such if it gets to court.

Oyo state lost the case on its road safety during the time of Bola Ige as governor, The court proscribed road safety as set up by Soyinka for Oyo state then. But UPN and NPN went into political solution to come up with a Federal Road Safety that exists till today.

The FRSC was set up in 1988 during IBB regime.

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Encapsulate!

@ d pix.. this is not amotekun( leopard) , that's cheetah.

Blue3k2:


Source: https://punchng.com/amotekun-not-unconstitutional-falana-tackles-malami/amp/

MALAMI is a Xenorobot.

Ebenezar2020:
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