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Is Shunning Pagan? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:56pm On Jan 17, 2020
Is Shunning Pagan?
The greatest irony regarding Jehovah’s Witnesses’s practice of shunning is that they once preached that it was a pagan practice. In the January 8, 1947 Awake magazine, pages 27 & 28, under the title, Are You Also Excommunicated? the Watchtower Society wrote the following (See images depicted below to read text full size):

Page 27 Awake! 1947 January 8
Awake! Jan 8 1947. Page 27
Page 28 Awake! 1947 January 8
Awake! Jan 8 1947. Page 28

As you can see, the first 2 paragraphs depict exactly what the Watchtower Society currently does to former members and to those who they deem have committed serious sins: they are demonized and said to be influenced by Satan. The article says that Catholics will even excommunicate “born-in’s”. If you are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses or a former member, this will all sound very familiar.

It goes on to say that this “pretext” of excommunication is pagan. They state that there is no support for it in scripture and that it is altogether foreign to bible teachings. They call it a weapon used by the clergy to gain ecclesiastical power and secular tyranny. They say it finds no parallel in history.

• It is Pagan
• It has no Support in Scripture
• It is Foreign to Bible Teachings

This contradicts EVERYTHING they use to justify shunning: the scriptures they use here to refute the teaching of shunning are the very same scriptures they use to justify shunning!

Would you eat a piece of candy picked up from the gutter?

Even if Jehovah’s Witnesses were to attempt to dismiss this article based on the fact that it is an old teaching, it doesn’t change the fact that it is a pagan practice. The Watchtower publication, What Does the Bible Really Teach, pages 157-160, paragraphs 9 & 10, states clearly that it is important to know where things come from. Therefore, if the Watchtower Society discovered in 1947 that excommunication was a pagan belief with no support in scripture, then how could it now no longer be a pagan belief and have support in scripture? Consider this image below of a dirty lollipop. Would you eat if if you knew it came from a gutter? Would you eat it if someone washed it and put it in a wrapper? Of course not. That’s exactly what Jehovah’s Witnesses have done with shunning: they found it in the gutter of paganism, washed it free of its origins and wrapped it up in scriptures that do not support it.

https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/disfellowshipping-biblical-teaching/

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Re: Is Shunning Pagan? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:49am On Jan 18, 2020
Biblical Basis for Shunning?

If anyone was deserving of being shunned, according to bible principles upon which Jehovah’s Witnesses base their beliefs on, it would have been Judas Iscariot. He betrayed Jesus Christ for the price of a slave: 30 pieces of silver. Yet, the bible says that Jesus called him a friend. Yes, Jesus referred to Judas as a friend, or comrade, even when he knew Judas gave him the kiss of death. He never shunned Judas even though he knew that Judas was going to betray him. – Matthew 26:49-50, John 13:18-30

Another person who may have been deserving of shunning, according to the edicts of Jehovah’s witnesses, was the Apostle Peter. He vehemently denied Jesus three times. Yet, what did Jesus do a few days later? Jesus had a meal with Peter and the other disciples where Jesus urged Peter to continually follow him (John 21:12-19). Before his death and before Peter’s denial, Jesus promised Peter the keys of the kingdom of the heavens (Matthew 16:19). Clearly, Jesus did not shun Peter nor did he take away any of his privileges. Yet, these are the things that happen all too often for Jehovah’s Witnesses when they confess sins, even if they are repentant. Truly, if one of Jehovah’s Witnesses was to deny their Governing Body’s self-appointed position as God’s mouthpiece on earth, they will be stripped off their privileges, disfellowshipped and shunned. Really, if the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses imitate Jesus Christ as their mediator and Head of the Christian Congregation, surely they should be following his example. Instead, they quickly move to remove any sort of dissent amongst the ranks using scriptures that do not support such actions.

Jesus ate and drank with sinners. He was known for that. The Pharisees even pointed to this when they tried to condemn Jesus. Yet, he shunned no one. What if Jesus was confronted with someone who was caught in the act of sin, 100% guilty? And let’s just say, for instance, this sin was deserving of the death penalty in those times. What would Jesus do? No need to wonder. Just read John 8:2-11. You cannot read these verses in the 2013 edition of the New World Translation but they are available to read in the 1984 edition. Compare Luke 19:1-9, John 4:1-26.

https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/disfellowshipping-biblical-teaching/
Re: Is Shunning Pagan? by Janosky: 1:01pm On Jan 18, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/disfellowshipping-biblical-teaching/

Mumu post from the mumuish kumuyi worshipper.
You dey post screenshots to back your claims,yet you twists the whole narrative in your screenshots. Kai !!!!!!

In your screen shots, "the Encyclopedia Britannica says that papal excommunications is not without pagan influences".
In other words, 'Shunning' as practiced by the Vatican (reference point , the excommunications of king Federick II is an example. " The monks stirred the populace , To plot against him, to attempted murder by poison or by sword was accounted virtuous "wink.
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Kumuyi worshipper, who did Jesus kill or commanded to be killed in the name of excommunications?
Why was the "shunning" process selective, for instance , for Hitler ,Tito & Mussolini in spite of all the atrocious evidences against them ?
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The Watchtower faulted the way & manner it was done in the RCC, as unchristian.
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OLAADEGBU lie lie twister , tueh !!!!
Re: Is Shunning Pagan? by Janosky: 2:18pm On Jan 18, 2020
OLAADEGBU:
Biblical Basis for Shunning?

If anyone was deserving of being shunned, according to bible principles upon which Jehovah’s Witnesses base their beliefs on, it would have been Judas Iscariot. He betrayed Jesus Christ for the price of a slave: 30 pieces of silver. Yet, the bible says that Jesus called him a friend. Yes, Jesus referred to Judas as a friend, or comrade, even when he knew Judas gave him the kiss of death. He never shunned Judas even though he knew that Judas was going to betray him. – Matthew 26:49-50, John 13:18-30

Another person who may have been deserving of shunning, according to the edicts of Jehovah’s witnesses, was the Apostle Peter. He vehemently denied Jesus three times. Yet, what did Jesus do a few days later? Jesus had a meal with Peter and the other disciples where Jesus urged Peter to continually follow him (John 21:12-19). Before his death and before Peter’s denial, Jesus promised Peter the keys of the kingdom of the heavens (Matthew 16:19). Clearly, Jesus did not shun Peter nor did he take away any of his privileges. Yet, these are the things that happen all too often for Jehovah’s Witnesses when they confess sins, even if they are repentant. Truly, if one of Jehovah’s Witnesses was to deny their Governing Body’s self-appointed position as God’s mouthpiece on earth, they will be stripped off their privileges, disfellowshipped and shunned. Really, if the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses imitate Jesus Christ as their mediator and Head of the Christian Congregation, surely they should be following his example. Instead, they quickly move to remove any sort of dissent amongst the ranks using scriptures that do not support such actions.

Jesus ate and drank with sinners. He was known for that. The Pharisees even pointed to this when they tried to condemn Jesus. Yet, he shunned no one. What if Jesus was confronted with someone who was caught in the act of sin, 100% guilty? And let’s just say, for instance, this sin was deserving of the death penalty in those times. What would Jesus do? No need to wonder. Just read John 8:2-11. You cannot read these verses in the 2013 edition of the New World Translation but they are available to read in the 1984 edition. Compare Luke 19:1-9, John 4:1-26.

https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/disfellowshipping-biblical-teaching/
Jesus called Judas friend, Yes.
OLAADEGBU, come here and lie that Judas Iscariot went to heaven.


https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/07/02/deeper-life-suspends-kumuyis-son-wife/



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The son of your god of men who did not commit serious sin as Peter's sin was given punishment.

Hypocrisy wound you there.
Re: Is Shunning Pagan? by AntiChristian: 8:07am On Jan 19, 2020
This verses are irrelevant! Don't read!

“ Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 10:5–6)

[Jesus rejected her plea to heal her daughter, saying] “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “ It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”(Matthew 15:24–6)

No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of Jehovah, not even in the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).

God also forbids intermarriage with these foreign tribes (Deut. 7:3; Ezra 9:2, 10:10; Nehemiah 13).
Re: Is Shunning Pagan? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:27pm On Jan 19, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


Biblical Basis for Shunning?

If anyone was deserving of being shunned, according to bible principles upon which Jehovah’s Witnesses base their beliefs on, it would have been Judas Iscariot. He betrayed Jesus Christ for the price of a slave: 30 pieces of silver. Yet, the bible says that Jesus called him a friend. Yes, Jesus referred to Judas as a friend, or comrade, even when he knew Judas gave him the kiss of death. He never shunned Judas even though he knew that Judas was going to betray him. – Matthew 26:49-50, John 13:18-30

Another person who may have been deserving of shunning, according to the edicts of Jehovah’s witnesses, was the Apostle Peter. He vehemently denied Jesus three times. Yet, what did Jesus do a few days later? Jesus had a meal with Peter and the other disciples where Jesus urged Peter to continually follow him (John 21:12-19). Before his death and before Peter’s denial, Jesus promised Peter the keys of the kingdom of the heavens (Matthew 16:19). Clearly, Jesus did not shun Peter nor did he take away any of his privileges. Yet, these are the things that happen all too often for Jehovah’s Witnesses when they confess sins, even if they are repentant. Truly, if one of Jehovah’s Witnesses was to deny their Governing Body’s self-appointed position as God’s mouthpiece on earth, they will be stripped off their privileges, disfellowshipped and shunned. Really, if the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses imitate Jesus Christ as their mediator and Head of the Christian Congregation, surely they should be following his example. Instead, they quickly move to remove any sort of dissent amongst the ranks using scriptures that do not support such actions.

Jesus ate and drank with sinners. He was known for that. The Pharisees even pointed to this when they tried to condemn Jesus. Yet, he shunned no one. What if Jesus was confronted with someone who was caught in the act of sin, 100% guilty? And let’s just say, for instance, this sin was deserving of the death penalty in those times. What would Jesus do? No need to wonder. Just read John 8:2-11. You cannot read these verses in the 2013 edition of the New World Translation but they are available to read in the 1984 edition. Compare Luke 19:1-9, John 4:1-26.

https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/disfellowshipping-biblical-teaching/

Should Apostates be Shunned?

Of all those who are to be shunned, Jehovah’s Witnesses reserve a special place for apostates. According to Shepherd the Flock of God, pages 65-66, the Watchtower Society considers the following persons apostates, based on their interpretation of the bible and what they consider Christian:

• Celebrating false religions holidays (Exodus 32:4-6, Jeremiah 7:16-19)
• Participation in interfaith activities (2 Corinthians 6:14-15, 17-18)
• Deliberately spreading teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses (Acts 21:21, 2 John 7, 9, 10)
• Causing divisions and promoting sects (Romans 16:17-18, Titus 3:10-11)
• Continuing in employment that makes one an accomplice to or a promoter of false worship
• The practice of spiritism (Deuteronomy 18:9-13, 1 Corinthians 10:21-22, Galatians 5:20)
• Idolatry (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Corinthians 10:14)

Of all the scriptures that the Watchtower has quoted to justify their reasons for apostasy, only one of those verses supports their basis for deeming a person an apostate. That verse is Acts 21:21, where it states in the New World Translation (2013):

But they have heard it rumored about you that you have been teaching all the Jews among the nations an apostasy from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or to follow the customary practices.

It is recommended that you read this verse in context and compare this verse with Romans 2:28-29 and 1 Corinthians 7:18-20. Clearly, the apostasy was just a rumor but it shows that apostasy is the spreading of teachings contrary to bible truth. Noteworthy is the fact that the bible does not in any way support the notion of bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses; it only supports bible truth. Period.

In Jesus Time, the Jews would have considered the Samaritans as apostates. Why? Because, according to the Watchtower publication, Insight on the Scriptures Vol II, the Samaritans, “although they learned something about Jehovah through instruction by a priest of the Jeroboam priesthood, yet, as Samaria had done with the golden calves, they continued to worship their false gods, generation after generation. (2Ki 17:24-41).” Yes, the Jews shunned the Samaritans for their apostasy in the same way Jehovah’s Witnesses do to those whom they consider apostates. In this context, the words “samaritan” and “apostate” are interchangeable. Yet Jesus, whom Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to imitate, used Samaritans (apostates) to show what it means to be Christian:

• In the parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:29-37, Jesus clearly shows that an apostate can be your neighbour.
• In John 4:7-26, Jesus revealed himself as the Messiah to an apostate woman.

Is the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ disfellowshipping arrangement a bible truth? Or only a “bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses”? If it’s the latter, who really are the apostates?

https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/disfellowshipping-biblical-teaching/

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