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Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by mrofficial(m): 7:44am On Dec 11, 2010
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's lawyer has said she expects US prosecutors to charge him with espionage soon.

Jennifer Robinson was quoted as saying a US indictment was imminent but offered no more details.

The US Justice Department has been looking into a range of criminal charges, including violations of the 1917 Espionage Act, that could be filed after the whistle-blowing website released hundreds of confidential US diplomatic cables.

Cyber activists attacking organizations seen as foes of WikiLeaks briefly blocked a Dutch prosecution website Friday after a 16-year-old suspected of involvement in the campaign was arrested in the Netherlands.

The activists also tried to block the website of online payment firm Moneybookers, but denied their attacks were intended to create business turmoil or badly disrupt online Christmas shopping.

US authorities said they had not pressured companies to stop working with WikiLeaks.

Attorney General Eric Holder said: "We have not pressured anybody to do anything."

Online retail and web-hosting powerhouse Amazon stopped hosting WikiLeaks' website last week, and Thursday it briefly became the pro-WikiLeaks campaigners' main target - before they admitted it was too big for them, for the moment.

The statement by the activists, who collectively call themselves "Anonymous," added that a lack of firepower was not the only reason the attack on Amazon had not succeeded. They felt "attacking a major online retailer when people are buying presents for their loved ones, would be in bad taste."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20101211/tuk-assange-to-be-charged-with-espionage-dba1618.html
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Musiwa13: 8:08am On Dec 11, 2010
when people leak information at embassy and govt offices to other country, they get treated like king. and victim go through hell.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Nobody: 8:21am On Dec 11, 2010
The US has no case against Assange because he has not stolen these files from them,he got them from a third source .
Sometimes,I wonder why the so called almighty America keep going back to her vomit.they preach freedom,attack chinese,Iran and saudi Arabia of anti-democratic policies and look at them charging an advocate of freedom for espionage.
what the fck is espionage in a democracy ?mschew
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Kobojunkie: 8:24am On Dec 11, 2010
[size=13pt]Espionage or spying involves an individual obtaining information that is considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information. Espionage is inherently clandestine, lest the legitimate holder of the information change plans or take other countermeasures once it is known that the information is in unauthorized hands.[/size]

Please people need to consult the meaning of the word to get an idea of what applies.

Even in the real world, when a person purchases STOLEN item, it is still considered STOLEN item and the buyer is likely to be asked to give it back or be implicated as an accomplice.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Musiwa13: 8:31am On Dec 11, 2010
When an information is public knowledge it is no more espionage , you get get many information off the internet.

this is one problem with the internet, that why USA govt should invest in company who provide internet content, if not, it is hard to block sure from what i know. Anyone can post from any where, if a site is 1 billion pages, you cant moderate it easy.Except you have so much more or backer, who provide the finance to do so. in a place like nigeria, they dont have sure finance.

spy make good money. they get shoot too.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by strangerf: 8:33am On Dec 11, 2010
Thanks Kobojunkie for the information

So do you think the US has a case?
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Olaolufred(m): 8:36am On Dec 11, 2010
I am not happy at the actions carried out by Assange.

I really don't know what he wanted to achieve by doing this.

Could it be for money or popularity?

His action is like this;

You had sex with your wife yesternite in an hotel.
Unknown to you that a camera had been planted by someone.
Then, a man got the clips and put it on the internet.
Would you praise the man if you know he did such?
Or give him an award for doing a good job.

Always put yourself in position of US as it applies here.

Assange got it wrong.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Kobojunkie: 8:37am On Dec 11, 2010
Musiwa,:

When an information is public knowledge it is no more espionage , you get get many information off the internet.

this is one problem with the internet, that why USA govt should invest in company who provide internet content, if not, it is hard to block sure from what i know. Anyone can post from any where, if a site is 1 billion pages, you cant moderate it easy.Except you have so much more or backer, who provide the finance to do so.

spy make good money. they get shoot too.

The US government currently does not have a problem with the vast amount of information it makes openly available to Americans since there is freedom of information in this country. However, when individuals take it on themselves to STEAL confidential or secret data, then there is a problem and that is where this issue is. Is it OK for individuals to STEAL and then publish information that is not meant to be in the public domain without consequence?
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by slap1(m): 8:39am On Dec 11, 2010
Musiwa,:


spy make good money. they get shoot too.
Lol, my first laugh of the day. True talk!
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Musiwa13: 8:42am On Dec 11, 2010
let put it this way if you work  for a government, let say an embassy and you take the information and give it to another country . Let say you take the secret information of an american citizen classified and  give to any country or person, either your family. even if you deprive american citizen thier right base on information because of your  personal affiliation with another country. And it is espionage
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by slap1(m): 8:44am On Dec 11, 2010
Assange has been an advocate of free press and investigative journalism. He was given an award by Amnesty Int'l in 2004 or thereabouts for his struggles. Dude is also a computer programmer, so that could explain how he was able to steal so much classified info.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Kobojunkie: 8:48am On Dec 11, 2010
slap1:

Assange has been an advocate of free press and investigative journalism. He was given an award by Amnesty Int'l in 2004 or thereabouts for his struggles. Dude is also a computer programmer, so that could explain how he was able to steal so much classified info.

There is freedom of press. . . even in Nigeria. That is a none issue. Also, computer programmers, especially those who work with governmental agencies understand the amount of power at they hold when it comes to access to data but millions continue to resist that temptation to go against policy . . . to steal data from these organizations.

That assange has the skills, and a passion for journalism is not really enough reason for a man to release information that could potentially plunge the world into war, in my opinion.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Nobody: 8:50am On Dec 11, 2010
Kobojunkie:

[size=13pt]Espionage or spying involves an individual obtaining information that is considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information. Espionage is inherently clandestine, lest the legitimate holder of the information change plans or take other countermeasures once it is known that the information is in unauthorized hands.[/size]

Please people need to consult the meaning of the word to get an idea of what applies.

Even in the real world, when a person purchases STOLEN item, it is still considered STOLEN item and the buyer is likely to be asked to give it back or be implicated as an accomplice.
Hypocrite !
was it not people like you that was blaming the secrecy about yardua's illness when he was saudi till the time he died ?
Informations are classified top secret,secret,confidential and restricted based on the level of its importance.
What happens to freedom of press,expression and association.what evidence do you have to support the fact that he stole those information ? If wikileaks is going to be blamed,then you also blame those other media corporations that spread the news including NL ? I hope that sound insane to you ?
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by strangerf: 8:51am On Dec 11, 2010
Olaolufred:

I am not happy at the actions carried out by Assange.

I really don't know what he wanted to achieve by doing this.

Could it be for money or popularity?

His action is like this;

You had sex with your wife yesternite in an hotel.
Unknown to you that a camera had been planted by someone.
Then, a man got the clips and put it on the internet.
Would you praise the man if you know he did such?
Or give him an award for doing a good job.

Always put yourself in position of US as it applies here.

Assange got it wrong.

Flawed reasoning

So in this context who is the husband and who is the wife?

You have no idea what the US does to people; there was a recent case where the FBI attached a navigation system to the car of an Egyptian immigrant without his consent. The guy was around 20 yrs old, and do you know why? Because he went home, and being Egyptian, they thought he could be, and probably, a terrorist.
How is this fair to the innocent college student?

Admit it or not, the US is the great satan, and anything to expose the great satan is fair game.
The US does that to different countries all the time.

Moreover Assange is not a spy. His aim is to hold the government accountable. And so far, he has proven and shown the rest of the world that the US is as corrupt and shady as other countries.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by slap1(m): 8:52am On Dec 11, 2010
@Bluetooth. Forget that charade of  a "third source". Assange stole the info he's publishing. He probably hacked into the US military database and other unauthorized sites to steal the stuffs he published. Which kin source? The volume of the info is alarmingly huge.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Musiwa13: 8:55am On Dec 11, 2010
t is hard to monitor a website with millions of pages on the internet and remove content, except you have a government grant or real finance to sit on the internet 24 hours and monitor it. Without large finance, it would be difficult to monitor a large website. but over here, grant are provided for sure purpose.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by strangerf: 8:56am On Dec 11, 2010
slap1:

@Bluetooth. Forget that charade of  a "third source". Assange stole the info he's publishing. He probably hacked into the US military database and other unauthorized sites to steal the stuffs he published. Which kin source? The volume of the info is alarmingly huge.

Stop making a fool of yourself

We all know he got it from someone

He did not hack into any computer; how come he is the only one with access?
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Kobojunkie: 8:58am On Dec 11, 2010
Olaolufred:

I am not happy at the actions carried out by Assange.
I really don't know what he wanted to achieve by doing this.Could it be for money or popularity?His action is like this;
You had sex with your wife yesternite in an hotel.Unknown to you that a camera had been planted by someone.Then, a man got the clips and put it on the internet.Would you praise the man if you know he did such?Or give him an award for doing a good job.
Always put yourself in position of US as it applies here. Assange got it wrong.
It is possible he did not do it for the money or maybe not for the popularity either, who knows. I have a hard time figuring him out as he does not come off as someone who truly cares about the people or the plight of the people. In an interview on his publishing a Kenyan report, he said something like, even though the information resulted in the death of about 1300 people (the 2007 Kenyan election/massacre that ensued) he believed Kenya was better off, than if he had not released the document in the open.
On the stealing and publication of documents not meant for the public domain YET, I think he knew what he was getting into, and even after so many warnings took it on himself to continue and so should be prepared for whatever should follow.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by slap1(m): 9:00am On Dec 11, 2010
~Bluetooth:

Hypocrite !
was it not people like you that was blaming the secrecy about yardua's illness when he was saudi till the time he died ?
Informations are classified top secret,secret,confidential and restricted based on the level of its importance.
What happens to freedom of press,expression and association.what evidence do you have to support the fact that he stole those information ? If wikileaks is going to be blamed,then you also blame those other media corporations that spread the news including NL ? I hope that sound insane to you ?
What are you talking about? This guy de-classified a classified info and made it news. Other media houses just did what they know best -- publish news!
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Kobojunkie: 9:00am On Dec 11, 2010
slap1:

@Bluetooth. Forget that charade of  a "third source". Assange stole the info he's publishing. He probably hacked into the US military database and other unauthorized sites to steal the stuffs he published. Which kin source? The volume of the info is alarmingly huge.

It is claimed that a private in the US army stole the information and handed it to Assange. Not 100% on that yet since it has not been made official that that is his source, but it is all too clear that Assange knew the documents were stolen --- he was warned on several occasions not to publish but he went on with it anyways.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Nobody: 9:04am On Dec 11, 2010
slap1:

@Bluetooth. Forget that charade of  a "third source". Assange stole the info he's publishing. He probably hacked into the US military database and other unauthorized sites to steal the stuffs he published. Which kin source? The volume of the info is alarmingly huge.
You guys are getting it wrong.I'm talking from the concept of FREEDOM and democracy here.
If there is absolute freedom like US preaches in democracy,why should there be a word called ''ESPIONAGE''.Assange is privy to these informations and how he got them is nobody's business.
US accused china of censoring the internet,yet he is finding a way to bury Assange.Russia and some other countries that play the game better than US have been advocating for his Assange's release.
If US dictates world order,then it should practise what it preaches else china,iran and the US will be the same to me.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by strangerf: 9:04am On Dec 11, 2010
Kobojunkie:

It is claimed that a private in the US army stole the information and handed it to Assange. Not 100% on that yet since it has not been made official that that is his source, but it is all too clear that Assange knew the documents were stolen --- he was warned on several occasions not to publish but he went on with it anyways.

You are mixing it up Kobojunkie

No one has been identified yet as the source of his current leak.

As for the private in the US army, he was the source of the previously leaked Iraqi war documents, not the present one

Lets be clear!
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by slap1(m): 9:07am On Dec 11, 2010
strangerf:

Stop making a fool of yourself

We all know he got it from someone

He did not hack into any computer; how come he is the only one with access?
Are you not gravely contradicting yourself?
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by strangerf: 9:09am On Dec 11, 2010
^^^

Sorry he is not the only one with access

But he is now the sole possessor, technically, of the information
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Kobojunkie: 9:12am On Dec 11, 2010
~Bluetooth:

You guys are getting it wrong.I'm talking from the concept of FREEDOM and democracy here.
The problem with the way you argue is that you manufacture ideas from thing air and then confuse them with reality. FREEDOM and Democracy have absolutely nothing to do with this issue. You do not walk into your neighbor’s house to take that which he has in his house, even if it is yours to take. It is called STEALING.
Freedom does not grant you the right to take that which is not within your reach. It is wrong to think it does. Democracy does not give you the right to steal information that is not within the public domain. It is wrong to think it does.

~Bluetooth:

US accused china of censoring the internet, yet he is finding a way to bury Assange.Russia and some other countries that play the game better than US have been advocating for his Assange's release.
If US dictates world order,then it should practise what it preaches else china,iran and the US will be the same to me.
There are so many things wrong with the block above that I think it is best that one inform you that what you have above has little or nothing to do with this thread or this issue.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Nobody: 9:15am On Dec 11, 2010
slap1:

What are you talking about? This guy de-classified a classified info and made it news. Other media houses just did what they know best -- publish news!
who dictates what is classified in international relations ? US ?
We are talking about secret diplomacy that has been used by US to disrupt world order and you are here poisioning the well.
You also forgot that US spying on other countries too is also an act of espionage.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by strangerf: 9:16am On Dec 11, 2010
~Bluetooth:

who dictates what is classified in international relations ? US ?
We are talking about secret diplomacy that has been used by US to disrupt world order and you are here poisioning the well.
You also forgot that US spying on other countries too is also an act of espionage.

Eyan mi, I agree with you

It is a dog eat dog world

Too bad Nigeria is not a big player
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by slap1(m): 9:44am On Dec 11, 2010
~Bluetooth:

who dictates what is classified in international relations ? US ?
We are talking about secret diplomacy that has been used by US to disrupt world order and you are here poisioning the well.
You also forgot that US spying on other countries too is also an act of espionage.
Unfortunately, power is relative; the more power a nation gets, the lesser another has. If the US tag some information "classified", it is because they are a big player, as Stranger pointed out.  Power is something you guard jealously. The US spy on other countries, yeah! They tell you it's for the sake of "world peace". Whether you believe it or not is not their business. They're among the world's most powerful and would go to any extent and use any means to guard their back. And sadly, they'll play diplomatic footie with smaller countries for a very long time.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Kobojunkie: 9:57am On Dec 11, 2010
slap1:

Unfortunately, power is relative; the more power a nation gets, the lesser another has. If the US tag some information "classified", it is because they are a big player, as Stranger pointed out.  Power is something you guard jealously. The US spy on other countries, yeah! They tell you it's for the sake of "world peace". Whether you believe it or not is not their business. They're among the world's most powerful and would go to any extent and use any means to guard their back. And sadly, they'll play diplomatic footie with smaller countries for a very long time.
I don’t think it works that way. Every SOVEREIGN nation on this planet has a right to declare information it has available and control over, CLASSIFIED or NOT. So, there is a problem with someone asking why a Nation should have power to declare information as classified.

This has little to do with the US but more to do with the power available to every sovereign country out there, even Iran. Iran has a right to declare documents classified and it does have classified documents – the US does not hold the right to classifying documents.

Countries spy on each other – it is usually their way to learn of their neighbor, friend etc. Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran, India, US do it. It is NOT unique to any country out there. The only difference is that due to freedom of information in some countries like America, the world KNOWS and is aware that America does it. But it does not mean that the other countries who continue to cover up their activities do not do the same.

What many fail to accept is that the American who was supposedly also involved in this case is already on his way to serving a 52 year jail term. No one seems to mention that. Even when an American steals classified american information, there is consequence, talk less of when a non-american steals the property of the US.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by violent(m): 11:41am On Dec 11, 2010
What many fail to accept is that the American who was supposedly also involved in this case is already on his way to serving a 52 year jail term. No one seems to mention that. Even when an American steals classified american information, there is consequence, talk less of when a non-american steals the property of the US,
---- If the US government charged an individual who received and distributed classified information, rather than the person who[b] leaked[/b] it, mainstream media would express the concern that they could face prosecution for reporting information they routinely receive from government insiders, so essentially, Wikileaks in the eyes of the constitution is no less different from BBC or Guardian press. There were also evidences that Assange requested a consultation with Washington to discuss which documents are explicit and could jeopardize National security in the United States, however, the US government turned his request down.


----- The prosecution also has to get around the fact that the cables reveal confidential information surrounding foreign policy and diplomacy, rather than military secrets. Under the Espionage Act, the U.S. will need to prove that a particular cable is a threat to national security.  It will be really difficult for a US prosecutor to prove "gossips" between diplomats and foreign governments, revealed in mainstream media is a threat to the security of United States.

----Besides that, i doubt if any country will be willing to extradite him to the United States, most countries extradition treaties do not cover crimes viewed as political.
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Nobody: 11:50am On Dec 11, 2010
Kobojunkie:

The problem with the way you argue is that you manufacture ideas from thing air and then confuse them with reality. FREEDOM and Democracy have absolutely nothing to do with this issue. You do not walk into your neighbor’s house to take that which he has in his house, even if it is yours to take. It is called STEALING.
Freedom does not grant you the right to take that which is not within your reach. It is wrong to think it does. Democracy does not give you the right to steal information that is not within the public domain. It is wrong to think it does.
There are so many things wrong with the block above that I think it is best that one inform you that what you have above has little or nothing to do with this thread or this issue.

It's you that should look beyond your americanized view and stop tripping here.you keeping shouting ''stealing''.have you ever questioned how tons of informations get to the internet everyday ? Because this one affects your resident country,you are here parading your sentiments.Tell me why you think Assane is bind by any law outside democracy to make public any information within his reach
Re: Assange 'to Be Charged With Espionage' by Nsiman(m): 11:51am On Dec 11, 2010
If assange is to be tried for espionage then his releases are true. The GON shld also sue Shell for espionage as well and pfizer shld be tried for attempting to/bribery.

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