In monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam God is said to be omnipotent many times in their scriptures. Omnipotency implies other super-powers too: if you are all-powerful then you have the means to instantly uncover any and every fact, so, it also implies omniscience. It also requires omniscience.

However omnipotency has such theological and philosophical difficulties that it seems to be a self-contradictory and impossible concept. God itself is constrained by the laws of logic and rationality - it can't make a square circle or create an object that it can't destroy. Most people cede that "omnipotent" means only the ability to do any logical thing1,2. Indeed, in order to create anything at all then you must first be able to think rationally, in an ordered way, and therefore, to be subject to logical cause-and-effect3. Therefore, omnipotent beings can't be the creators of the fundamental laws. Omnipotency contradicts being the "first cause" of all reality. And if an all-powerful being created pain, suffering, the cycle of life (wherein most living beings must kill and eat other beings to survive) whilst it has the all-powerful ability to create eternal happiness for everyone, then, such a being cannot be benevolent (morally good). Millennia of theological and philosophical debate has not resulted in these contradictions being resolved.
There are some commonly stated limitations to the very concept of omnipotency, meaning that some qualifications need to be made against the idea of an all-powerful God:

Irrational and illogical actions such as creating a "round square" or making 2+2=5, appear to be impossible even for an all-powerful God. So many say that "all-powerful" means only the ability to do all logical non-contradictory actions.4,2

Self-limiting actions such as making itself non-existent, or, removing its own power of omnipotency, are often said to be impossible for an all-powerful being. If it chose to make itself unable to do a particular action then it would be a simple gesture for this being to re-instate its power. For example, if the all-powerful God knows that in the year 2050 it will cause an Earthquake, but, in the year 2040 it removes its own power to cause natural disasters, it can of course do two things, (1) use its omnipotency to give itself the power again, or (2) in 2030 to jump ahead in time and do it before it removed its own ability. Also if such a being decides "I shall for all time not have the ability to do something", then, it can only do that action if it does have the ability to do it. This self-negation causes an impossible time-continuum contradiction. It thusly seems impossible for it to stop itself from performing any action.

There can only be one omnipotent being, otherwise, their two independent wills would limit each other's power. By definition, both would have to "get their own way" all the time in order to continue to be all-powerful. In other words, they could never effectively disagree. Therefore, an omnipotent being can't create any new, independent, omnipotent mind.

Finally, the most damning limitations:

God Cannot be Responsible for Creating Logic Itself:

In order to create, to think, God's thoughts must be more than random. To create the universe and its laws, God must be able to think logically. If it can't think logically, then, the laws of the universe were simply random, and the Universe might as well have been self-created in an atheistic manner. In other words, for God to exist, God's thoughts must have always been ordered in a logical manner otherwise God could never have created order from chaos.
These limitations on omnipotency have built up to form quite a list of things an all-powerful being cannot do. "All-powerful" can't mean what it says in any simple way. Omnipotency is best not described as "the ability to do anything", rather as "the ability to do the maximum number of possible actions within the confines of logical impossibilities and self-limitations, except the creation of other beings that are also super-powerful, but, this power cannot co-exist simultaneously with the power of omniscience (being all-knowing) and free will nor benevolence. Also, omnipotency depends upon the ability to think straight and therefore requires the pre-existence of logic; ergo an omnipotent being cannot be the reality-creating first cause of existence".

The resultant being, if all-powerful, is the shallow wreckage of an amoral entity, bound by such severe limitations on agency that ultimate creative power, moral agency and free will are all removed. An omnipotent being is simply impossible - the closest thing that could exist is an amoral very-powerful automaton.
Can God Create a Rock So Heavy That It Can't Lift It?
This question is often cited as a disproof of omnipotency. If God can't create such a rock, then, God can't do anything, so is not all-powerful. If God can create a rock it can't lift, then, it is not true that God can lift any rock, therefore, God is still not all-powerful. However the question is merely a trick. Consider what it means in practical terms. God can lift an infinite amount. The question is saying, therefore, "Can God create a rock with a weight greater than infinity?". Of course, this question is logically absurd. The question is wrong and illusory and depends upon an illogical concept of "greater than infinity".


Share your views without any threat of eternal damnation please

Is God omnipotent?

No

.

I love this question.
I constantly love to speak of the God of Abraham's, Isaac's, and Israel's majesty and awesome-ness.
God omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence..."all-knowing, everywhere at once, and all-powerful."

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

John 1:1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Exodus 3:14 (KJV)

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: .....

If a being is responsible for creation of the known universe AND its occupants, then that automatically gives credence to an "all-powerful" entity.....
I choose by faith, to believe that the God of the Bible is that entity..."yes" He is omnipotent.
God has given ALL humans "free-will" to decide what they want to believe in, and how they want to live their life.
All of the philosophical, theoretical, psychological, intellectual jargon in the world won't give you all of the answers you seek about Him. You will get confused.
You are trying to use "human wisdom" which was given to us humans by God...to discredit the very same God.
You will never be able to use a fallible human mind to fully understand an infallible Creator.
He is so much larger than us...no pun intended.

However, the Lord God invites you to try Him and see who He is personally and by faith by prayer and the reading of His Word. All that you need to know (for now) is in there.

MISHIGAS!

odinson1:


In monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam God is said to be omnipotent many times in their scriptures.

SO, YOUR POST IS BASED UPON A LIE.

The term "OMNIPOTENT" occurs only ONCE in The Bible. You never read it many places in The Bible. The QUR'AN is FALSE GOD SCRIPTURE.

I should be surprised if their god ever claimed to be omnipotent, because the first thing you learn about HIM is that HE CAN'T DO SHIT!

Crippled MUSLIM Beggars are the eyesore of city streets, because Prophet MOHAMMAD told them that their god permits BESTIALITY.

Therefore, VENEREAL DISEASES from (*Bleep!*)cking Cattle blind their children and mothers from birth. All because some ILLITERATE lost a WRESTLING MATCH with a Spirit!

If YACUB had lost that fight, he could have become the first MUHAMMAD.

What would it say about Muslims, if they believed that their god was OMNIPOTENT, but NEVER, EVER USES that Power to Heal ANY of His Faithful followers, who WORSHIP HIM FIVE TIMES DAILY, ALL THEIR LIVES?

. ECCLESIASTICUS 19:20.

20. The Fear of The Lord
is all Wisdom;
and in all Wisdom
is the Performance of the Law,
and The Knowledge of His Omnipotency.

. REVELATION 19:6.

6. And I heard as it were
the Voice of a Great Multitude,
and as the Voice of many Waters,
and as the Voice of mighty Thunderings,
saying,

"ALLELUIA: FOR THE LORD GOD
OMNIPOTENT REIGNETH."

THE FIRST RULE OF INTELLIGENT PREACHING IS: NEVER USE UNSUBSTANTIATED FACTS WITHOUT SAYING SO.

All anyone has to do it open a BIBLE APP, and search for the term "OMNIPOTENT," and find that it occurs only ONCE in The Bible, and they will know that YOU ARE A LIAR!

odinson1:

Omnipotency implies other super-powers too: if you are all-powerful then you have the means to instantly uncover any and every fact, so, it also implies omniscience. It also requires omniscience.

THIS SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT ONLY A LIAR, BUT YOU ARE ALSO IGNORANT OF BASIC LOGIC AND SCIENCE.

Just because one has a power, that does not mean that one can apply it. Applying power cannot be the only consideration.

. PROVERBS 18:20-21.

20. A man's belly shall be satisfied
with the Fruit of his Mouth;
and with the Increase of his Lips
shall he be filled.
21. Death and Life are in
The Power of the Tongue:
and they that love It
shall eat the Fruit thereof.

EVERY ADULT KNOWS THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY THINGS, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD SAY THEM.

The reason for this, is, that every child growing up, no matter how (*Bleep!*)cked-up their lives might be, are overtaken by the utterly selfish and burning desire to MAKE ADULTHOOD BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Those who do not have this desire, TALK ANYHOW, and DIE.

. JOB 2:7-10.

7. So went Satan forth
from The Presence of The LORD,
and smote Job with sore boils
from the sole of his foot
unto his crown.
8. And he took him a potsherd
to scrape himself withal;
and he sat down among the ashes.
9. Then said his wife unto him,

"Dost thou still
retain thine Integrity?
Curse God, and die."

10. But he said unto her,

"Thou speakest as one
of the foolish women speaketh.
What?
Shall we receive good
at The Hand of God,
and shall we not receive Evil?"

In all this did not Job Sin with his lips.

ANY UNARMED CHILD WHO TELLS SOME POWERFUL ARMED STRANGER, THAT THEY ARE "UGLY AND STUPID" HAS CLEARLY LOST INTEREST IN ATTAINING ADULTHOOD!

Anyone with Commonsense knows to MODERATE THEIR MOUTH when talking about THE SUPREME BEING.

. LEVITICUS 24:10-16.

10. And the son
of an Israelitish woman,
whose father was
an Egyptian,
went out among
the Children of Israel:
and this son of
the Israelitish woman
and a Man of Israel
strove together in the camp;
11. And the Israelitish
woman's son blasphemed
The Name of The LORD,
and cursed.
And they brought him
unto Moses:
[and his mother's name
was Shelomith,
the daughter of Dibri,
of the tribe of Dan:]
12. And they put him in ward,
that the Mind of The LORD
might be shewed them.
13. And The LORD Spake
unto Moses,
Saying,

14. 'Bring forth him
that hath cursed
without the camp;
and let all that heard him
lay their hands upon his head,
and let all the Congregation stone him.
15. "And thou shalt speak
unto the Children of Israel,
saying,

'WHOSOEVER CURSETH
HIS GOD
SHALL BEAR HIS SIN.'

16. "And he that blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
he shall surely be
put to Death,
and all the Congregation
shall certainly stone him:
as well the Stranger,.
as he that is born in the land,
when he blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
shall be put to Death."

odinson1 post=86396651
However omnipotency has such theological and philosophical difficulties that it seems to be a self-contradictory and impossible concept. God itself is constrained by the laws of logic and rationality - it can't make a square circle or create an object that it can't destroy. Most people cede that "omnipotent" means only the ability to do any logical thing1,2. Indeed, in order to create anything at all then you must first be able to think rationally, in an ordered way, and therefore, to be subject to logical cause-and-effect3. Therefore, omnipotent beings can't be the creators of the fundamental laws. Omnipotency contradicts being the "first cause" of all reality. And if an all-powerful being created pain, suffering, the cycle of life (wherein most living beings must kill and eat other beings to survive) whilst it has the all-powerful ability to create eternal happiness for everyone, then, such a being cannot be benevolent (morally good). Millennia of theological and philosophical debate has not resulted in these contradictions being resolved.
There are some commonly stated limitations to the very concept of omnipotency, meaning that some qualifications need to be made against the idea of an all-powerful God:

Irrational and illogical actions such as creating a "round square" or making 2+2=5, appear to be impossible even for an all-powerful God. So many say that "all-powerful" means only the ability to do all logical non-contradictory actions.4,2

Self-limiting actions such as making itself non-existent, or, removing its own power of omnipotency, are often said to be impossible for an all-powerful being. If it chose to make itself unable to do a particular action then it would be a simple gesture for this being to re-instate its power. For example, if the all-powerful God knows that in the year 2050 it will cause an Earthquake, but, in the year 2040 it removes its own power to cause natural disasters, it can of course do two things, (1) use its omnipotency to give itself the power again, or (2) in 2030 to jump ahead in time and do it before it removed its own ability. Also if such a being decides "I shall for all time not have the ability to do something", then, it can only do that action if it does have the ability to do it. This self-negation causes an impossible time-continuum contradiction. It thusly seems impossible for it to stop itself from performing any action.

There can only be one omnipotent being, otherwise, their two independent wills would limit each other's power. By definition, both would have to "get their own way" all the time in order to continue to be all-powerful. In other words, they could never effectively disagree. Therefore, an omnipotent being can't create any new, independent, omnipotent mind.
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THE ONLY GOD THAT MATTERS IS YAHWEH OF THE HEBREW ISRAELITES: ALL OTHERS ARE COUNTERFEITS AND PRETENDERS.

FOOLS ask impertinently: "OF ALL THE THOUSANDS OF GODS, HOW DO YOU KNOW THE CORRECT ONE?"

That is a STUPID question!

Of all the Gods and gods, WHICH ONE SHOWS UP FOR US?

Of all the Gods and gods, WHICH ONE RESTORES THE TOTALITY OF OUR BIRTHRIGHT ATTRIBUTES?

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

After this, there is nothing more to talk about.

Any System that does not have THE TEN TALENTS Doctrine is a waste of our time.

[quote author=odinson1:

Finally, the most damning limitations:

God Cannot be Responsible for Creating Logic Itself:

In order to create, to think, God's thoughts must be more than random. To create the universe and its laws, God must be able to think logically. If it can't think logically, then, the laws of the universe were simply random, and the Universe might as well have been self-created in an atheistic manner. In other words, for God to exist, God's thoughts must have always been ordered in a logical manner otherwise God could never have created order from chaos.
These limitations on omnipotency have built up to form quite a list of things an all-powerful being cannot do. "All-powerful" can't mean what it says in any simple way. Omnipotency is best not described as "the ability to do anything", rather as "the ability to do the maximum number of possible actions within the confines of logical impossibilities and self-limitations, except the creation of other beings that are also super-powerful, but, this power cannot co-exist simultaneously with the power of omniscience (being all-knowing) and free will nor benevolence. Also, omnipotency depends upon the ability to think straight and therefore requires the pre-existence of logic; ergo an omnipotent being cannot be the reality-creating first cause of existence".

THE ONLY ONE "DAMNED" IS YOU AND THE COLONIAL/IMPERIALIST EUROPEAN OYINBO THEOLOGIANS, WHO HAVE SOUGHT DESPERATELY TO ASSURE THEMSELVES THAT THEY HAVE NOT FAILED GOD, BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY NO GOD FOR THEM TO FAIL.

All these SANDCASTLE and STRAWMAN arguments have no basis in any Religion you know. The only one relevant is CHRISTIANITY.

You have no specific Knowledge, therefore you claim general Knowledge. You did not know any, let alone many verses in The Bible, nor the Qur'an, in which God claims OMNIPOTENCE, OMNISCIENCE, nor OMNIPRESENCE.

You cannot show any Scripture where Believers are exhorted, instructed, nor invited to believe that God is Omnipotent, Omniscient, or Omnipresent.

You are arguing a complete non sequitur.

. GENESIS 9:20-23.

20. And Noah began (to be)
an husbandman,
and he planted a vineyard:
21. And he drank of the wine,
and was drunken;
and he was uncovered within his tent.
22. And Ham, the father of Canaan,
saw the unclothedness of his father,
and told his two brethren without.
23. And Shem and Japheth took a garment,
and laid (it) upon both their shoulders,
and went backward,
and covered the unclothedness of their father;
and their faces (were) backward,
and they saw not their father's unclothedness.


. LEVITICUS 18:1-19:2.

AND The LORD
Spake unto Moses,
Saying,

2. "Speak unto
the Children of Israel,
and say unto them,

'I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.
3. 'AFTER THE DOINGS
OF THE LAND OF EGYPT,
WHEREIN YE DWELT,
SHALL YE NOT DO:
AND AFTER THE DOINGS
OF THE LAND OF CANAAN,
WHITHER I BRING YOU,
SHALL YE NOT DO:
NEITHER SHALL YE
WALK IN THEIR ORDINANCES.
4. 'YE SHALL DO
MY JUDGMENTS,
AND KEEP MINE ORDINANCES,
TO WALK THEREIN:
I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.
5. 'YE SHALL THEREFORE
KEEP MY STATUTES,
AND MY JUDGMENTS:
WHICH IF A MAN DO,
HE SHALL LIVE IN THEM:
I AM THE LORD.'

6. "None of you
shall approach to any
that is near of kin to him,
to uncover their unclothedness:
I am The LORD.
7. "The unclothedness
of thy father,
or the unclothedness
of thy mother,
shalt thou not uncover:
she is thy mother;
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
8. "The unclothedness
of thy father's wife
shalt thou not uncover:
it is thy father's unclothedness.
9. "The unclothedness
of thy sister,
the daughter of thy father,
or daughter of thy mother,
whether she be
born at home,
or born abroad,
even their unclothedness
thou shalt not uncover.
10. "The unclothedness
of thy son's daughter,
or of thy daughter's daughter,
even their unclothedness
thou shalt not uncover:
for theirs is
thine own unclothedness.
11. "The unclothedness
of thy father's wife's daughter,
begotten of thy father,
she is thy sister,
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
12. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy father's sister:
she is thy father's
near kinswoman.
13. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy mother's sister:
for she is thy mother's
near kinswoman.
14. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy father's brother,
thou shalt not
approach to his wife:
she is thine aunt.
15. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy daughter-in-law:
she is thy son's wife;
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
16. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy brother's wife:
it is thy brother's unclothedness.
17. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of a woman
and her daughter,
neither shalt thou
take her son's daughter,
or her daughter's daughter,
to uncover her unclothedness;
for they are
her near kinswomen:
it is wickedness.

SPECULATING ON THE ORIGIN OF GOD IS ANALOGOUS TO STRIPPING YOUR PARENTS NAKED FOR BRETHREN, EVEN STRANGERS, TO INSPECT.

That is how repugnant the concept should be to you.

. THE NINE TIME VECTORS.

PAST to PAST; PAST to PRESENT; PAST to FUTURE.
PRESENT to PAST; PRESENT to PRESENT; PRESENT to FUTURE.
FUTURE to PAST; FUTURE to PRESENT; FUTURE to FUTURE.

[See: EXCALIBUR REVISITED, by Geoffrey Filbert.]

How does one THINK when TIME flows BACKWARD, FORWARD, SIDEWAYS, or NOT AT ALL? YOU have NO IDEA, whereas THE PROPHETS do know, because they have to EXPERIENCE it, in the course of their work.

odinson1:

The resultant being, if all-powerful, is the shallow wreckage of an amoral entity, bound by such severe limitations on agency that ultimate creative power, moral agency and free will are all removed. An omnipotent being is simply impossible - the closest thing that could exist is an amoral very-powerful automaton.
Can God Create a Rock So Heavy That It Can't Lift It?
This question is often cited as a disproof of omnipotency. If God can't create such a rock, then, God can't do anything, so is not all-powerful. If God can create a rock it can't lift, then, it is not true that God can lift any rock, therefore, God is still not all-powerful. However the question is merely a trick. Consider what it means in practical terms. God can lift an infinite amount. The question is saying, therefore, "Can God create a rock with a weight greater than infinity?". Of course, this question is logically absurd. The question is wrong and illusory and depends upon an illogical concept of "greater than infinity".

YOU HAVE COMPLETELY DESTROYED THE STRAWMAN YOU INVENTED AND CREATED.

What have you achieved?

Nothing but THE LOSS OF YOUR OWN SOUL!

odinson1:

Share your views without any threat of eternal damnation please

The Bible makes the point that God is not OMNIPOTENT (took finite Time to create the Heavens and the Earth,) neither OMNIPRESENT (He comes and goes, has a Presence that can be departed, nor OMNISCIENT (had to ask questions to find out what had happened in His Absence,) in the first four chapters of Its First Book, GENESIS.

YAHWEH GOD could not possibly have claimed to be OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, nor OMNIPRESENT, contradicting His own Law by MOSES.

What made you so gullible as to fall for the Oyinbo Claim that He had those Attributes?