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Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by chidifrank(m): 9:13pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina:holy spirit is d same as spirit of God. holy spirits comes from God okay dts clear n it moves around everywhere in d world. the question shld be , is the holy spirit abiding in everyone ? dt shld be ur question sir/ma |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 9:17pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Renerd: what about the holy spirit? |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 9:19pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank: what happens when death occurs? |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 9:21pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Renerd: what happens when death occurs in the light of Ecclesiastes 12:7 |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 9:27pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank:Check again, I'm not done yet. |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 9:29pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank: Bros, we can't do this, at least not tonight. I am laughing at you... Haa, it is well. By the way there are other sons of God preceding the Birth of Jesus like Krishna, Hercules, Horus and others... They were conceived through heavenly visitation too 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 9:29pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank:Check my response, there is a difference |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 9:30pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina:To the flesh not to the spirit or soul |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 9:31pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina:When death occurs there is a change in form. Death is not a cease to an existence nor end of an existence. |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 9:32pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank:Your replies are just naive and illogical, you don't expect any rational thinking individual to believe that lame reply |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 9:34pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Check my reply to the guy that brought up the question, I've covered that |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 9:35pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank:j What spirit is abiding in the body of a sinner? 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 9:37pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Roycemadeit: i dont understand what you mean..death occurs when the body returns to dust and the spirit back to god , who gave it...this spirit that goes back to god is it different from the spirit of god or holy spirit? |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 9:44pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina:For clarification purpose, I'll reiterate clearly. What dies is the flesh, the body. The spirit as your said would return to being in a state of oneness with God. We are fragments of the God force. p.s. God is spirit, the force of life. if the source of life can end then God can die. 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 9:44pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Roycemadeit: do you really understand or know what man is? and what death means? please read genesis chapter 1 and 2 for clarification.. |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 9:47pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Pipe down with all this quotation and verses. What is death? Is it any different from what I said |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 9:49pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Roycemadeit:yes, this is my believe too...if you have followed my post here i have always maintained that we are gods just having a human experience...that is the igbo belief and that is also the jewish beliefs too.so in other to make the experience more better and fulfilling god gave us igbo what we call omenani and gave the jews the torah.... i love your answer...it shows you are following my line of thought... ok, what gets sent to hell? is it the spirit that god gave and returns to god at death or ? |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 9:57pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
There have been many a great teacher who have come to show us the path to enlightenment but we are quick to crown this masters God's sons or prophets. We do not see ourselves being capable of doing as much wonders or understanding as many-a-thing as they do. We make them Icons to be worshipped and forget that if we could do as much or even more than they did. The truth is, and lies in belief, belief is what we lack and this is not our fault, because since the beginning of time we have seen ourselves imperfect, a bunch of ne'er-do-well, who are in the least bit qualified to do half of what the master's done. And so be make ourselves less than what we are SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD. |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 9:57pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank:Try to follow a topic before you quote, I was answering a question |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 10:00pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
[quote author=sonmvayina post=86900784] what about the holy spirit?[/quote There is a spirit of man, which we call man himself, for man is a spirit and everything he does(even here on earth), is spiritual, and because man is a creation of God directly from Him. "it can be best put that man is a spark, of the spirit of God". Hence, I said man has power over all other things created, for he is directly from God. Even man has the power to create, for Every thought that proceedeth out of the hearth of man is living, that which can never die, and which is attached to its originator, hence we had many forces, moving in the therestial world, both good and evil, they are all the creation of man, as man also is the creation of God, by His thought, which is the spirit of God. This also should not be confused with the holy spirit of God, yes the spirit of man is such a powerful one that many finds it difficult to belief that there is another spirit beside that. The spirit of man (which can also be referred to as the spirit of God), is prone to imperfection since the day that man disobey God and given unto himself, the power to perceive both good and evil, man has his freewill and because there Is non perfect to guide him, he is prone to making mistakes, which sometimes, may be too difficult to overcome. This is the reason why the holy spirit of God is given "to be a guidance to the spirit, which is man". For the Holy spirit of God is divine, proceeding directly out of God, not tarnished by the error of the spirit which is man ( this is exactly how man was created, before his fall, untarnished and perfect), it is this untarnished spirit of God, that we humans (which are also the spirit of God, but due to some disobedience, had some limitations in getting across to God. Limitations, which is surmountable by following the direction of the holy spirit ) it is this perfect spirit of God that God sent unto His disobedient spirit, out of the love he bore towards it, to be a guidian unto it, in order not to fall deep into the region where he will never be able to come near unto its creator again, and this is the difference between the holy spirit and the spirit of God, which is man. And if a man can wholly follow the direction of this spirit, he can never made a mistake, for this is the only perfect medium into the other world, for any other medium apart from this, rely solely on the spirit of man, which is imperfect, and hence many error. |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 10:01pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
chidifrank:There is a spirit of man, which we call man himself, for man is a spirit and everything he does(even here on earth), is spiritual, and because man is a creation of God directly from Him. "it can be best put that man is a spark, of the spirit of God". Hence, I said man has power over all other things created, for he is directly from God. Even man has the power to create, for Every thought that proceedeth out of the hearth of man is living, that which can never die, and which is attached to its originator, hence we had many forces, moving in the therestial world, both good and evil, they are all the creation of man, as man also is the creation of God, by His thought, which is the spirit of God. This also should not be confused with the holy spirit of God, yes the spirit of man is such a powerful one that many finds it difficult to belief that there is another spirit beside that. The spirit of man (which can also be referred to as the spirit of God), is prone to imperfection since the day that man disobey God and given unto himself, the power to perceive both good and evil, man has his freewill and because there Is non perfect to guide him, he is prone to making mistakes, which sometimes, may be too difficult to overcome. This is the reason why the holy spirit of God is given "to be a guidance to the spirit, which is man". For the Holy spirit of God is divine, proceeding directly out of God, not tarnished by the error of the spirit which is man ( this is exactly how man was created, before his fall, untarnished and perfect), it is this untarnished spirit of God, that we humans (which are also the spirit of God, but due to some disobedience, had some limitations in getting across to God. Limitations, which is surmountable by following the direction of the holy spirit ) it is this perfect spirit of God that God sent unto His disobedient spirit, out of the love he bore towards it, to be a guidian unto it, in order not to fall deep into the region where he will never be able to come near unto its creator again, and this is the difference between the holy spirit and the spirit of God, which is man. And if a man can wholly follow the direction of this spirit, he can never made a mistake, for this is the only perfect medium into the other world, for any other medium apart from this, rely solely on the spirit of man, which is imperfect, and hence many error. |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 10:03pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina:A soul that is created never dies, but had to shed its useless body to take on a new one, if he had the opportunity, a man never dies, and that is why you see children this days, behaving like they have lived an hundred years, due to previous life experience. 2 Likes |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 10:04pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina: There is nothing Like hell. Hell doesn't exist, at least not like the stories the church conjured to scare people into obeisance. We have by these stories created a belief that begat the horrible and unimaginable place of torment. 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 10:07pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Renerd: thanks, now we are approaching the truth.....so by implication, there is no such thing as death and hell? |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 10:09pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Roycemadeit: now we are making good progress.... 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 10:11pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Renerd: This is such a long text. . . Now, God could never be disobeyed, our freewill is without condition. We are never imperfect. For if God made us perfect and the devil, who is said to have made us disobey God is made by God. Then he is also imperfect and by extension that God is imperfect. 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 10:17pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Renerd: so when the atheist says there is no god outside of himself, do you now understand his perspective? |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 10:20pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Can you imagine how a many great thing we would have done and achieved if we knew we could reincarnate? We would take as many risks as the white man does, we would fight for and see our struggles through. Funny enough this thing called reincarnation has been deleted even from our traditional settings all we have now is fear... Fear... nobody wants to die, hell is got every one spooked. 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 10:21pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Roycemadeit: can you now understand why the atheist says there is no god outside of ourselves...because we are all gods experiencing life differently..we are all different version of the same thing.. 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Nobody: 10:21pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Roycemadeit:When God created man, he created him perfectly in his own image, without much of a perceptive ability, man began to know good and evil, only when he disobeyed the commandment of God, and a freewill was given to man, to accompany the covering which was given to him, for man was naive and only come to be wise by disobeying the commandment of God. |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by sonmvayina(m): 10:22pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
Roycemadeit: 100000000000 likes 1 Like |
Re: Let's Consider The Atheist Belief. by Roycemadeit(m): 10:24pm On Feb 23, 2020 |
sonmvayina: We are all the same thing experiencing life differently. If we could but understand this then we as a species are ready to move to another dimension 1 Like |
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