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Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by Maximus69: 12:17pm On Mar 07
AntiChristian:


So you are telling us Yahweh is right for punishing them because he had saved them from Pharoah?

Yes, Yahweh was right!

By that time, people do buy slaves and it's what they want that their slaves must do, but Yahweh never count them as slaves, he made a covenant with them after bringing them out of Egypt.

So if he now remove his shield from protecting them when they abandon the covenant, he is justified! smiley

Allah has nothing to prove it's authority on anyone unlike Yahweh did with Israelites! smiley
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 8:45am On Mar 09
Maximus69:


Yes, Yahweh was right!

By that time, people do buy slaves and it's what they want that their slaves must do, but Yahweh never count them as slaves, he made a covenant with them after bringing them out of Egypt.

So if he now remove his shield from protecting them when they abandon the covenant, he is justified! smiley

Allah has nothing to prove it's authority on anyone unlike Yahweh did with Israelites! smiley

So only Yahweh can kill as he wants right because of a covenant? Which shield? Won't they eventually die before?
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 8:56am On Mar 09
Xavfra:



grin grin

You are using the past to judge the future....islam has been slaughtering since inception......that was in the beginning when the early Jews not even Christians did dat....but you have been killing and are still killing

Assalamualaikum


You are a liar and you will die a liar. I have never killed. Na you go kill!


Your Lord authorized killing and you're here spilling thrash!
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by Maximus69: 9:13am On Mar 09
AntiChristian:


(1)So only Yahweh can kill as he wants right because of a covenant?

(2)Which shield?

(3)Won't they eventually die before?

That's Spirits for you Sir! God warns us not to have dealings with evil spirit because all Spirits demands for an agreement (covenant) and when you fail to keep your side of the agreement, they have the RIGHT to do as they pleases with you. That's why you'll see most ritualists run mad when they fail to stick to agreement which they made with SPIRITS!
The only difference between God and demons is that he will send messengers to remind you of the agreement (covenant) before his anger, but demons don't have all that time!

(2)The shield to protect their land from invasion by enemies whether human (oppressors) or spirits(demons).

(3)Of course everyone will die since God's Kingdom has not come, but while those who have no interest in God remain dead forever, the faithful ones under his shield will be remembered in the day of resurrection! smiley
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by femmyapson(m): 7:08pm On May 23
AntiChristian:
grin Starting laughter


Flogging is cultural and not necessary Islamic. Pupils are flogged in schools too.

"Spare the rod and spoil the child" And flogging should be used where and when necessary! And not angrily!

Case dismissed!



Give us the number of people killed by Muslims in Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun,.... Kwara. despite having millions of Muslims?
Maybe there are no one not on the same page as them.



I still wait for the terrorist counts in the regions above!



And why do other religion hate Muslims too? I think the feeling is Mutual!



Islam is peaceful to those who want peace. If you are an oppressor you will only get oppression!



This is due to the hatred and uncouth behaviors that non-muslims bring to the thread!



Have you not seen the menace of traffic caused along Ibadan expressway due to Redeem activities and others?
Don't be biased!

grin Ending laughter!

If I should start, you will run
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by femmyapson(m): 7:11pm On May 23
AntiChristian:


Are there no mosques in Poland, Hungary and Czech republic?

There can't be a Church in Saudi because it's a land of Islam.
Remember in the OT when Yahweh ordered people to be killed for worshipping other gods!

That was when there was only one supreme religion in the OT.
Now no country uses Bible law as their country law! Bible laws are either too hard (OT) or insufficient (NT).

The holy spirit can't be leading the country now!

Does being open to criticism means having Churches anywhere there's Mosques?
see this one..
But there can be mosque in Rome n Israel abi?
Holy lands of christianity.
mind you, one of d largest mosque in the world is in Israel..Admit that your religion is religion of war and blood.
Stop saying shit to justify yourself..
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 10:41pm On May 23
femmyapson:

see this one..
But there can be mosque in Rome n Israel abi?
Holy lands of christianity.
mind you, one of d largest mosque in the world is in Israel..Admit that your religion is religion of war and blood.
Stop saying shit to justify yourself..

Who gave Rome holy lands of Christianity? Is Jesus Christ now a Roman? lipsrsealed
It looks like shit to someone full of shit.
Israel the country of Jesus has more Muslims than Christians. Israel hates Jesus.

The Old testament was full of blood and war yet you didn't say it's full of shit. It was the same Jehovah in the new testament and old testament. Jehovah too loves war, blood and shit from your conclusion.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 10:44pm On May 23
femmyapson:


If I should start, you will run

On the contrary your name maybe "Bolt".
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by orisa37: 10:52pm On May 23
Muslims don't know Peace.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by achorladey: 11:14pm On May 23
Why Muslims like to flog children into learning Arabic?

Why do Muslims like to kill people who are not on the same page as them?

Why do Muslims breed terrorist in the name of God?

Why do core Muslims hate other religion?

Is Islam really a religion of peace?

REALITY says all things mentioned up there is SUPPORTED in their Qur'an. I believe it cannot be DENIED. If you will find time to read their QUR'AN. You can get CONCRETE proof of all the above including the SUPPORTING commentaries. I think I have seen and read a part WHERE there is even LEEWAY to beat THEIR wives too if the WIFE ERRS.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by femmyapson(m): 11:17pm On May 23
AntiChristian:


On the contrary your name maybe "Bolt".
i didnt even see ur username b4..u are a fool as my God as said
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by achorladey: 11:34pm On May 23
@Antichristian

1. I am curious to the aspects of the use of "WE" in the QUR'AN. When "WE" is used, whom or who does it refers to?

2. There is large use of the word DISBELIEVERS, TORMENT of VARYING KINDS, HELL and PUNISHMENT, cut across virtually all of the SURAH. What Image do you think these PORTRAY about Allah.

3. The second of the two greatest commandments as captured in the BIBLE is absent in the QURAN. Why?
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 6:38pm On May 24
achorladey:
@Antichristian

1. I am curious to the aspects of the use of "WE" in the QUR'AN. When "WE" is used, whom or who does it refers to?

If you meant Allah using "We" and "us" for Himself despite Allah being one not two/three, I would say linguistically it is correct both in Arabic and English.

You can Google "Royal we" in relation to the Queen. And Allah is greater than any Queen.

achorladey:

2. There is large use of the word DISBELIEVERS, TORMENT of VARYING KINDS, HELL and PUNISHMENT, cut across virtually all of the SURAH. What Image do you think these PORTRAY about Allah.

It portrays Him as being merciful to those who believe in Him and follows His Prophet. Whoever fights the Lord's Army is bound to perish.

We have many massacres authorised by Yahweh in the OT before He repented. Reply if you need 1000 words on some killings of the LORD perpetrated by Moses and Joshua.

achorladey:

3. The second of the two greatest commandments as captured in the BIBLE is absent in the QURAN. Why?

Love is present everywhere in the Qur'an. But the love is of brotherhood.

2 Corinthians 6:14. The NIV translation says, “Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

So this is the kind of love you preach why blame us?

Note: Hypocrisy is when you drink but forbid drinking to everyone else!
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 6:46pm On May 24
femmyapson:

i didnt even see ur username b4..u are a fool as my God as said

Where did your God call me fool?

Is it Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians of Paul?

Or Matthew 5:22 that goes against calling people fools?
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by femmyapson(m): 6:55pm On May 24
AntiChristian:

Where did your God call me fool?
Is it Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians of Paul?
Or Matthew 5:22 that goes against calling people fools?
Its a good thing you know you are a fool.. psalm 14:1
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by achorladey: 8:02pm On May 24
AntiChristian:


If you meant Allah using "We" and "us" for Himself despite Allah being one not two/three, I would say linguistically it is correct both in Arabic and English.

You can Google "Royal we" in relation to the Queen. And Allah is greater than any Queen.



It portrays Him as being merciful to those who believe in Him and follows His Prophet. Whoever fights the Lord's Army is bound to perish.

We have many massacres authorised by Yahweh in the OT before He repented. Reply if you need 1000 words on some killings of the LORD perpetrated by Moses and Joshua.



Love is present everywhere in the Qur'an. But the love is of brotherhood.

2 Corinthians 6:14. The NIV translation says, “Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

So this is the kind of love you preach why blame us?

Note: Hypocrisy is when you drink but forbid drinking to everyone else!


Antichristian: It portrays Him as being merciful to those who believe in Him and follows His Prophet.

Achorladey: Fine.

Is Allah only MERCIFUL to ONLY those who BELIEVE in HIM? Please note the word "ONLY".

Antichristian: Whoever fights the Lord's Army is bound to perish.

Achorladey: Ok, who are the LORD'S ARMY here?

Antichristian: We have many massacres authorised by Yahweh in the OT before He repented. Reply if you need 1000 words on some killings of the LORD perpetrated by Moses and Joshua.

Achorladey: I am aware of the the accounts of MOSES and JOSHUA very well and it's equally documented in the Qur'an too.

Antichristian: Love is present everywhere in the Qur'an.

Achorladey: Interesting will find time to take a STATISTICS on LOVE and words relating to LOVE and see how they compare with DISBELIEVER, torment hell as contained in the Qur'an.

Antichristian: But the love is of brotherhood.

Achorladey: Fine, your brotherhood here will mean what?


Antichristian: 2 Corinthians 6:14. The NIV translation says, “Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

Achorladey: 2 Corinthians 6:14 DOES not say DO NOT LOVE UNBELIEVERS. Except I am not getting this clear.

Antichristian: So this is the kind of love you preach why blame us?

Achorladey: That's not the kind of LOVE I preach. You might check again.

Antichristian: Note: Hypocrisy is when you drink but forbid drinking to everyone else!

Achorladey: When someone CONDEMNS SOMEONE and still EAT with THEM, is that HYPOCRISY?
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 9:00pm On May 24
achorladey:


Antichristian: It portrays Him as being merciful to those who believe in Him and follows His Prophet.

Achorladey: Fine.

Is Allah only MERCIFUL to ONLY those who BELIEVE in HIM? Please note the word "ONLY".

Allah created all of us. He gives sustainance to us all that's why many non-believers are rich, have good health, etc. That's a kind of mercy!
Allah is merciful to all of us in this world but in the hereafter there's only mercy for the believers.

achorladey:

Antichristian: Whoever fights the Lord's Army is bound to perish.

Achorladey: Ok, who are the LORD'S ARMY here?

The believers are the Lord's Army.

achorladey:

Antichristian: We have many massacres authorised by Yahweh in the OT before He repented. Reply if you need 1000 words on some killings of the LORD perpetrated by Moses and Joshua.

Achorladey: I am aware of the the accounts of MOSES and JOSHUA very well and it's equally documented in the Qur'an too.
Kindly avail us with the verses where Moses and Joshua were killing mercilessly even kids and non-living things weren't spared.

achorladey:

Antichristian: Love is present everywhere in the Qur'an.

Achorladey: Interesting will find time to take a STATISTICS on LOVE and words relating to LOVE and see how they compare with DISBELIEVER, torment hell as contained in the Qur'an.

I think the challenge should be on the number of times "sword" is mentioned in the Bible vs the Qur'an!

achorladey:

Antichristian: But the love is of brotherhood.

Achorladey: Fine, your brotherhood here will mean what?

Religious brotherhood!

achorladey:

Antichristian: 2 Corinthians 6:14. The NIV translation says, “Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

Achorladey: 2 Corinthians 6:14 DOES not say DO NOT LOVE UNBELIEVERS. Except I am not getting this clear.

Kindly paste the next 3 verses after this here make we analyse am.

achorladey:

Antichristian: So this is the kind of love you preach why blame us?

Achorladey: That's not the kind of LOVE I preach. You might check again.

Nothing to check! The love a tiger has for a goat na just to chop am.

achorladey:

Antichristian: Note: Hypocrisy is when you drink but forbid drinking to everyone else!

Achorladey: When someone CONDEMNS SOMEONE and still EAT with THEM, is that HYPOCRISY?

Eating with them while your aim is to convert them.

Paul calls unbelievers darkness. How can light dine with darkness?
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 9:12pm On May 24
femmyapson:

Its a good thing you know you are a fool..
psalm 14:1

Psalm 78:65 says:
Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, like a strong man shouting because of wine.

And this is the Lord you said called me a fool.

You know Jesus turned water in to wine in that wedding! Your Lord was asleep, so he just woke up after drinking wine. Wine talks nonsense!

Matthew 5:22
but whosoever shall. say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by achorladey: 10:56pm On May 24
AntiChristian:


Allah created all of us. He gives sustainance to us all that's why many non-believers are rich, have good health, etc. That's a kind of mercy!
Allah is merciful to all of us in this world but in the hereafter there's only mercy for the believers.



The believers are the Lord's Army.


Kindly avail us with the verses where Moses and Joshua were killing mercilessly even kids and non-living things weren't spared.



I think the challenge should be on the number of times "sword" is mentioned in the Bible vs the Qur'an!



Religious brotherhood!



Kindly paste the next 3 verses after this here make we analyse am.



Nothing to check! The love a tiger has for a goat na just to chop am.



Eating with them while your aim is to convert them.

Paul calls unbelievers darkness. How can light dine with darkness?

Antichristian: Allah created all of us. He gives sustainance to us all that's why many non-believers are rich, have good health, etc. That's a kind of mercy!
Allah is merciful to all of us in this world but in the hereafter there's only mercy for the believers.


Achorladey: At least you agree God shows mercy to to NON-BELIEVER. Very good

Antichristian: but in the HEREAFTER there's only mercy for the believers.

Achorladey: When HEREAFTER comes God will do his THING. Then you and I will WITNESS who actually obtained it and those who did not. Your ONLY believers get comma since you cannot on your OWN determine what completely makes ONE tick the BOX as BELIEVER.

This mercy still carries LOVE I guess?

Antichristian: The believers are the Lord's Army.

Achorladey: Define the "BELIEVERS".

Antichristian: Kindly avail us with the verses where Moses and Joshua were killing mercilessly even kids and non-living things weren't spared

Achorladey: I stated clearly I am aware of that as captured in the Qur'an as well. One interesting aspect of this is in the QUR'AN you have RULES of engagement in JIHAD. Yes/No. Before MOSES and JOSHUA engaged in the killings they carried out do they follow the rules or they were KILLING MERCILESSLY as you POSIT.

Antichristian: I think the challenge should be on the number of times "sword" is mentioned in the Bible vs the Qur'an!

Achorladey: When I am done with my research concerning LOVE and words related to LOVE as it relates to TORMENT, HELL and DISBELIEVER I will let you know.

Antichristian: Religious brotherhood!

Achorladey: when you show MERCY to some not part of the RELIGIOUS BROTHERHOOD, is it a show of LOVE? Does it carry the sense of LOVE?

Antichristian: Kindly paste the next 3 verses after this here make we analyse am.

Achorladey: Here it is.......


And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:“I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” 17 Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.”

Antichristian: Nothing to check! The love a tiger has for a goat na just to chop am

Achorladey: You are on your OWN concerning the ABOVE. I don't want to believe that's the mindset God HAVE about those HE EXTENDS MERCY to DESPITE the FACT that they DON'T BELIEVE in HIM. I hope you get to see the point made.

Antichristian: Eating with them while your aim is to convert them.

Achorladey: Interesting point which means EATING with them will not make you an HYPOCRITE and the FOOD itself does not bring CONTAMINATION.

Antichristian: Paul calls unbelievers darkness. How can light dine with darkness?

Achorladey: what does LIGHT do to DARKNESS?

From your statement here "Eating with them while your aim is to convert them" what is happening in that SENSE, and what will happen to DARKNESS on the LONG RUN?
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by mignone(f): 11:28pm On May 24
Xavfra:




See ...I might not be able to show you inciting verses in your Koran....

But you can't relate this to Christianity.....

You call us hypocrites and I agree in this case because we have failed to kill of you who are non Christians....at least by now Naija would be ablaze ..... You cannot compare Islam with Christianity....

You guys praticalise the violence of your Koran....but Christians just end binding and casting....

This isn't the first time you are showing me this....

But Islam itself preaches violence and it's adherents live up to it unlike their Christian counterparts who preach violence too but refuse to live up to it......infact it is almost rare to hear a Christian make biblical allusions in order to justify their acts of violence
It's not even about Christians believing in violence but not living up to it now. The fact is dt in Bible times and centuries after, nations fought in wars to defend themselves, conquer their enemies or acquire more territories. There's no point here. Christianity isn't a religion but a tranquil, 'free of strife' way of life.
Pls desist from arguing with anyone.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by Xavfra(m): 11:43pm On May 24
mignone:

It's not even about Christians believing in violence but not living up to it now. The fact is dt in Bible times and centuries after, nations fought in wars to defend themselves, conquer their enemies or acquire more territories. There's no point here. Christianity isn't a religion but a tranquil, 'free of strife' way of life.
Pls desist from arguing with anyone.




Why should I desist from doing so...
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 12:11am On May 25
achorladey:


Antichristian: but in the HEREAFTER there's only mercy for the believers.

Achorladey: When HEREAFTER comes God will do his THING. Then you and I will WITNESS who actually obtained it and those who did not. Your ONLY believers get comma since you cannot on your OWN determine what completely makes ONE tick the BOX as BELIEVER.

A believer is one who believes in Islamic monotheism and obeys the regulation of Islam as far as beliefs, actions (things forbidden and permitted), etc.
achorladey:


This mercy still carries LOVE I guess?

Allaah calls Himself Rabb. This means He is the cherisher and sustainer of all that exists.

achorladey:

Antichristian: The believers are the Lord's Army.

Achorladey: Define the "BELIEVERS".


Already defined.

achorladey:

Antichristian: Kindly avail us with the verses where Moses and Joshua were killing mercilessly even kids and non-living things weren't spared

Achorladey: I stated clearly I am aware of that as captured in the Qur'an as well. One interesting aspect of this is in the QUR'AN you have RULES of engagement in JIHAD. Yes/No. Before MOSES and JOSHUA engaged in the killings they carried out do they follow the rules or they were KILLING MERCILESSLY as you POSIT.

It is actually as I posited it. You may request for these verses. You will have to spend a day going through them all in red.
I wonder how you guys missed those blood!

achorladey:

Antichristian: I think the challenge should be on the number of times "sword" is mentioned in the Bible vs the Qur'an!

Achorladey: When I am done with my research concerning LOVE and words related to LOVE as it relates to TORMENT, HELL and DISBELIEVER I will let you know.

No need to inform me.

achorladey:

Antichristian: Religious brotherhood!

Achorladey: when you show MERCY to some not part of the RELIGIOUS BROTHERHOOD, is it a show of LOVE? Does it carry the sense of LOVE?

It's called fishing! Fishers of men!

achorladey:

Antichristian: Kindly paste the next 3 verses after this here make we analyse am.

Achorladey: Here it is.......

And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:“I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” 17 Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.”


This was from Paul separating humans in to two. Believers/unbelievers, Christians/Belial, temple of God/Temple of idols.

achorladey:

Antichristian: Nothing to check! The love a tiger has for a goat na just to chop am

Achorladey: You are on your OWN concerning the ABOVE. I don't want to believe that's the mindset God HAVE about those HE EXTENDS MERCY to DESPITE the FACT that they DON'T BELIEVE in HIM. I hope you get to see the point made.

I'm still missing the point made. Whether you worship Allaah or not He provides for you. He cures and blesses whoever He wills on Earth.

achorladey:

Antichristian: Eating with them while your aim is to convert them.

Achorladey: Interesting point which means EATING with them will not make you an HYPOCRITE and the FOOD itself does not bring CONTAMINATION.

Jesus ate with sinners. How many did he convert to Christianity? There was a woman Jesus called her tribe/race dogs because they were disbelievers. He was even reluctant to give healing till he saw the lady's faith which he wasn't aware of beforehand.

How many did Jesus told to accept him as personal Lord and savior!

achorladey:

Antichristian: Paul calls unbelievers darkness. How can light dine with darkness?

Achorladey: what does LIGHT do to DARKNESS?

It depends on the kind of darkness and light. The sun comes and the night becomes day. No torch light can do this.

achorladey:

From your statement here "Eating with them while your aim is to convert them" what is happening in that SENSE, and what will happen to DARKNESS on the LONG RUN?

If a torch tries to illuminate the night na just waisted effort. It's power gets exausted and it becomes darker than darkness itself.

I believe in Allaah as my only Lord and Muhammad and Jesus as His slaves and Messengers.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by mignone(f): 12:30am On May 25
Xavfra:





Why should I desist from doing so...
It's not worth it really, most of these ppl just like arguing blindly/ignorantly&sometimes deliberately debating d truth to get one provoked.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by Xavfra(m): 3:24am On May 25
mignone:

It's not worth it really, most of these ppl just like arguing blindly/ignorantly&sometimes deliberately debating d truth to get one provoked.



Ohkay....
Although I don't really understand you....
(If you wish you can explain better cos I'm kinda confused on your stance).
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by femmyapson(m): 5:26am On May 25
AntiChristian:


Psalm 78:65 says:
Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, like a strong man shouting because of wine.

And this is the Lord you said called me a fool.

You know Jesus turned water in to wine in that wedding! Your Lord was asleep, so he just woke up after drinking wine. Wine talks nonsense!

Matthew 5:22
but whosoever shall. say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Read the verse before all you qoute here and the verse after what you qoute here....
what you wrote here is all meaningless.
combining old testament as the continuation of new testament....its d same as extracting a sentence in chapter 2 of a random book as a continuation of a chapter 7 of the same book(like who does that?)
Bobo Pls dont quote me again....you lack common sense jare...
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by achorladey: 10:25am On May 25
AntiChristian:


A believer is one who believes in Islamic monotheism and obeys the regulation of Islam as far as beliefs, actions (things forbidden and permitted), etc.


Allaah calls Himself Rabb. This means He is the cherisher and sustainer of all that exists.



Already defined.



It is actually as I posited it. You may request for these verses. You will have to spend a day going through them all in red.
I wonder how you guys missed those blood!



No need to inform me.



It's called fishing! Fishers of men!



This was from Paul separating humans in to two. Believers/unbelievers, Christians/Belial, temple of God/Temple of idols.


I'm still missing the point made. Whether you worship Allaah or not He provides for you. He cures and blesses whoever He wills on Earth.



Jesus ate with sinners. How many did he convert to Christianity? There was a woman Jesus called her tribe/race dogs because they were disbelievers. He was even reluctant to give healing till he saw the lady's faith which he wasn't aware of beforehand.

How many did Jesus told to accept him as personal Lord and savior!



It depends on the kind of darkness and light. The sun comes and the night becomes day. No torch light can do this.



If a torch tries to illuminate the night na just waisted effort. It's power gets exausted and it becomes darker than darkness itself.

I believe in Allaah as my only Lord and Muhammad and Jesus as His slaves and Messengers.


Antichristian: A believer is one who believes in Islamic monotheism and obeys the regulation of Islam as far as beliefs, actions (things forbidden and permitted), etc.

Achorladey: Thank you. This doesn't remove the FACT that only God DECLARE who is QUALIFIED and has OBEYED regulations as far as beliefs and actions in order to enjoy ETERNAL BLESSING or CONDEMNATION when that day comes.

Antichristian: Allaah calls Himself Rabb. This means He is the cherisher and sustainer of all that exists.

Achorladey: Very good. All that exists includes BELIEVERS and DISBELIEVERS, ANIMALS PLANTS, Allah knows that even BELIEVERS do SIN just as DISBELIEVERS. The fact that he CHERISHES and SUSTAINS both not only CARRIES mercy but LOVE.

Antichristian: Already defined.

Achorladey: Yes and noted

Antichristian: It is actually as I posited it. You may request for these verses. You will have to spend a day going through them all in red.
I wonder how you guys missed those blood!

Achorladey: I stated clearly I am aware of that as captured in the Qur'an as well. One interesting aspect of this is in the QUR'AN THERE IS RULES of engagement in JIHAD. Yes/No?

Before MOSES and JOSHUA engaged in the killings they CARRIED OUT do they follow the rules or they were KILLING MERCILESSLY as you POSIT?

This is not a case of you GUYS MISSED the BLOOD

Antichristian: No need to inform me.

Achorladey: No problem

Antichristian:It's called fishing! Fishers of men!

Achorladey: interesting: Are the MEN CAUGHT killed or shown MERCY and LOVE?

Antichristian: This was from Paul separating humans in to two. Believers/unbelievers, Christians/Belial, temple of God/Temple of idols.

Achorladey: That has not ruled out the question RAISED EARLIER. The VERSE DID NOT SAY DON'T LOVE UNBELIEVERS. I hope you get the direction I am headed.

Antichristian: I'm still missing the point made. Whether you worship Allaah or not He provides for you. He cures and blesses whoever He wills on Earth.

Achorladey: Thank you meaning His LOVE and MERCY reigns SUPREME over BELIEVERS and DISBELIEVERS on EARTH.

Antichristian: Jesus ate with sinners. How many did he convert to Christianity?

Achorladey: Yes JESUS ate with SINNERS. Even if Christ CONVERT just 12 or 11 that LITTLE FEW spread into millions and billions. You agree?

At least the Qur'an too stated that BELIEVERS can sit with DISBELIEVERS in discussion but should not join DISBELIEVERS in making JEST of the beliefs of BELIEVERS when the DISCUSSION spirals into that AREA.



Antichristian: There was a woman Jesus called her tribe/race dogs because they were disbelievers.

Achorladey: Good. Did the woman AGREE or DISAGREE?

Antichristian: He was even reluctant to give healing

Achorladey: And Jesus Christ gave REASONS for DOING SO. This account shows another wonderful thing about God's love and MERCY as well. I hope you get to discern that.

Antichristian: till he saw the lady's faith which he wasn't aware of beforehand.

Achorladey: Perhaps Jesus Christ was using that means to see through HER HEART the more and why she WILL INSIST on getting SOMETHING from Those who REGARD them as DOGS.

Antichristian: How many did Jesus told to accept him as personal Lord and savior!

Achorladey: John 3:16 have you FORGOTTEN. If it's not in the Qur'an it's documented in the BIBLE.

Acts 2:36

New International Version
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both LORD and MESSIAH."

New Living Translation
“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both LORD and MESSIAH!”

English Standard Version
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both LORD and CHRIST, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

And the Qur'an states clearly AMONG all THOSE regarded as PROPHETS or MESSENGER he is the ONE CLOSEST to ALLAH. Same person the Qur'an refers as the WORD and was to "BE" and came to BEING.

The reason why the LEADERS of the Jewish religion sort to KILL HIM thinking he was making BLASPHEMOUS utterances.

Antichristian: It depends on the kind of darkness and light. The sun comes and the night becomes day. No torch light can do this.

Achorladey: The LIGHT that illuminate you as a BELIEVER is it ORIGIN from MEN(TORCHLIGHT) or ALLAH?

You sound funny Here though. The LIGHT from ALLAH is more powerful than the SUN and you want to COMPARE that to a TOUCH. At least humans can still STEAL a GLANCE or GAZE from the SUN. You get the point?

The light that came from GOD that illuminates all MEN. Do you Know it?

Antichristian:If a torch tries to illuminate the night na just waisted effort. It's power gets exausted and it becomes darker than darkness itself.

Achorladey: The LIGHT in BELIEVERS cannot be compare to a TORCHLIGHT And the LIGHT is SHINING in the DARKNESS, but the DARKNESS has not OVERPOWERED it. You know why? Simple, check it SOURCE.

Antichristian: I believe in Allaah as my only Lord and Muhammad and Jesus as His slaves and Messengers.

Achorladey: Good for you. Why not (JESUS and MUHAMMAD) after all Jesus is closest to ALLAH....... pulling your legs anyway.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 3:44pm On May 25
femmyapson:

Read the verse before all you qoute here and the verse after what you qoute here....
what you wrote here is all meaningless.
combining old testament as the continuation of new testament....its d same as extracting a sentence in chapter 2 of a random book as a continuation of a chapter 7 of the same book(like who does that?)
Bobo Pls dont quote me again....you lack common sense jare...

You can just run away as you said before.

You can quote John 3:16 without looking at the verses before and after!

It's evident who lacks common Sense here.

Mr. Bolt, bolt!
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by femmyapson(m): 4:55pm On May 25
AntiChristian:

You can just run away as you said before.
You can quote John 3:16 without looking at the verses before and after!
It's evident who lacks common Sense here.
Mr. Bolt, bolt!
tongue
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by AntiChristian: 4:58pm On May 25

Achorladey: I stated clearly I am aware of that as captured in the Qur'an as well. One interesting aspect of this is in the QUR'AN THERE IS RULES of engagement in JIHAD. Yes/No?

Before MOSES and JOSHUA engaged in the killings they CARRIED OUT do they follow the rules or they were KILLING MERCILESSLY as you POSIT?

This is not a case of you GUYS MISSED the BLOOD

Can you tell us the rule of engagement in Numbers Chapter 31:7-12 and 17-18


Achorladey: interesting: Are the MEN CAUGHT killed or shown MERCY and LOVE?

Of what love is it when missionaries change people's names to Christian names to get Western education? Muslim ladies in hijab are forced to put off their Hijab and accept Jesus.
Even some Hausas are being deceived with food/materials to accept Jesus.

Well it is negative love Sha! May we not accept such love!


Achorladey: That has not ruled out the question RAISED EARLIER. The VERSE DID NOT SAY DON'T LOVE UNBELIEVERS. I hope you get the direction I am headed.

Do not yoke equally means what?
And Paul meant all are idol worshippers after Christians.

The hatred is evident.


Achorladey: Yes JESUS ate with SINNERS. Even if Christ CONVERT just 12 or 11 that LITTLE FEW spread into millions and billions. You agree?

At least the Qur'an too stated that BELIEVERS can sit with DISBELIEVERS in discussion but should not join DISBELIEVERS in making JEST of the beliefs of BELIEVERS when the DISCUSSION spirals into that AREA.

Jesus made a mistake in appointing the 12 deciples. He had to come and appoint Paul again when the other deciples have failed.

So Paul the last disciple wrote more than half of the NT, and the other 11 disciples wrote far less than him. I wonder how Paul's letter became Bible.

There's a marked difference between Christianity and Paulanity!

Achorladey: Good. Did the woman AGREE or DISAGREE?
Achorladey: And Jesus Christ gave REASONS for DOING SO. This account shows another wonderful thing about God's love and MERCY as well. I hope you get to discern that.
Achorladey: Perhaps Jesus Christ was using that means to see through HER HEART the more and why she WILL INSIST on getting SOMETHING from Those who REGARD them as DOGS.

The text is clear and stop justifying racism!
If I call you a dog now you'll turn wild!

The woman had no choice as she was desperate. She argued and won against Jesus.

Jesus was not sent to the dogs but to a selected few!
Compare the following verses.
Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Luke 11:40
You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?

Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."


Achorladey: John 3:16 have you FORGOTTEN. If it's not in the Qur'an it's documented in the BIBLE.

Of cos it can't be in the Qur'an! We only have one Lord. He is far from having son/wife like us humans. And everyone is a slave to Allaah!


Acts 2:36
New International Version
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both LORD and MESSIAH."
Paul said this. He never met Jesus on real life. Was he present when he was crucified? So how did God made Jesus Yahweh (LORD) and Messiah?


And the Qur'an states clearly AMONG all THOSE regarded as PROPHETS or MESSENGER he is the ONE CLOSEST to ALLAH. Same person the Qur'an refers as the WORD and was to "BE" and came to BEING.

This is cherry picking! The son of Mary called himself a slave and messenger of Allah in the Qur'an.

Adam too was created with the word Be and he was.


Achorladey: Good for you. Why not (JESUS and MUHAMMAD) after all Jesus is closest to ALLAH....... pulling your legs anyway.

All Prophets and messengers are close to Allaah. From Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elias, Elisha, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon,....Jesus and Muhammad.
Re: Why Do Muslims Like To Use Force In Everything? by achorladey: 8:30pm On May 25
AntiChristian:


Can you tell us the rule of engagement in Numbers Chapter 31:7-12 and 17-18



Of what love is it when missionaries change people's names to Christian names to get Western education? Muslim ladies in hijab are forced to put off their Hijab and accept Jesus.
Even some Hausas are being deceived with food/materials to accept Jesus.

Well it is negative love Sha! May we not accept such love!



Do not yoke equally means what?
And Paul meant all are idol worshippers after Christians.

The hatred is evident.



Jesus made a mistake in appointing the 12 deciples. He had to come and appoint Paul again when the other deciples have failed.

So Paul the last disciple wrote more than half of the NT, and the other 11 disciples wrote far less than him. I wonder how Paul's letter became Bible.

There's a marked difference between Christianity and Paulanity!


The text is clear and stop justifying racism!
If I call you a dog now you'll turn wild!

The woman had no choice as she was desperate. She argued and won against Jesus.

Jesus was not sent to the dogs but to a selected few!
Compare the following verses.
Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Luke 11:40
You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?

Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."



Of cos it can't be in the Qur'an! We only have one Lord. He is far from having son/wife like us humans. And everyone is a slave to Allaah!


Paul said this. He never met Jesus on real life. Was he present when he was crucified? So how did God made Jesus Yahweh (LORD) and Messiah?



This is cherry picking! The son of Mary called himself a slave and messenger of Allah in the Qur'an.

Adam too was created with the word Be and he was.



All Prophets and messengers are close to Allaah. From Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elias, Elisha, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon,....Jesus and Muhammad.


Antichristian: Can you tell us the rule of engagement in Numbers Chapter 31:7-12 and 17-18

Achorladey: How did Numbers 31: 7 start......And they warred against the Midianites, just as the LORD COMMANDED Moses, and they killed all the males..........

I hope you can SEE that they are following the COMMANDS of SOMEONE. Moses and Joshua didn't go about KILLING MERCILESSLY.

Antichristian: Of what love is it when missionaries change people's names to Christian names to get Western education?

Achorladey: You called it NEGATIVE LOVE as far as MERCY or LOVE is INVOLVED no wahala.

Antichristian: Muslim ladies in hijab are forced to put off their Hijab and accept Jesus. Even some Hausas are being deceived with food/materials to accept Jesus.

Achorladey: LOVE and MERCY CARRIED OUT they are CAUGHT not to get KILLED infact they did fine things you tagged NEGATIVE LOVE.

Antichristian: Well it is NEGATIVE love Sha! May we not accept such love!

Achorladey: the question previously is are they CAUGHT and KILLED. The answer I got is NEGATIVE LOVE and the scenario drawn from above says THEY ARE NOT KILLED.

Antichristian: Do not yoke equally means what?
And Paul meant all are idol worshippers after Christians. The hatred is evident.

Achorladey: the HATRED is missing not in anywhere EVIDENT at all. Acts 17: 16-28. When you read tell me the HATRED in that ACCOUNT.
Now let me explain what UNEVEN YOKE means

Can you use a CATTLE and DOG to plough your FIELDS of grain? No is the answer because the animals yoked together are UNEVEN. Does that mean the COW hates the DOG? No? A cow eats grass and DOG consume flesh and dog can go into eating FAECES which a CATTLE will not dare TOUCH. That the cow is aware of DOGS Eating FAECES still will not make the COW hate the Dog. I hope you get the POINT.

Antichristian: Jesus made a mistake in appointing the 12 deciples. He had to come and appoint Paul again when the other deciples have failed.

Achorladey: At least I know the QUR'AN confirm that Jesus had disciples that were true to his words and testify to the great things he did while on EARTH. This same DISCIPLES were used to aid Paul's conversion to CHRISTIANITY. So how THEY FAIL is a HEAD SCRATCHER for me and that Jesus making mistakes is something else.

Antichristian: So Paul the last disciple wrote more than half of the NT, and the other 11 disciples wrote far less than him. I wonder how Paul's letter became Bible.

Achorladey: Meaning? I can't seem to get the sense behind this point. The fact remains Jesus Christ appoint Paul and send him to the people of the NATIONS. The commission he was GIVEN made him cover so many places.

Antichristian: There's a marked difference between Christianity and Paulanity!

Achorladey: Bring the DIFFERENCE out but remember Paul is still known as a CHRISTIAN not PAULANITY.

Antichristian: The text is clear and stop justifying racism!

Achorladey: I can only laugh. The point is made. My post there has no RACIST connotation at all. I believe you are not saying Jesus is RACIST. That will be another laughable matter.

Antichristian: If I call you a dog now you'll turn wild!

Achorladey: Of what DIFFERENCE will it make to me since I don't see myself as a DOG. It will only be YOUR point of VIEW. Name calling is common in Nairaland. So you won't be the first to do so.

Antichristian: The woman had no choice as she was desperate. She argued and won against Jesus.

Achorladey: No it tells us what FAITH is all about and that GOD REWARDS those who EARNESTLY seek him. You seem not to get the numerous lesson behind it.

Antichristian: Jesus was not sent to the dogs but to a selected few!

Achorladey: RECORDS shows he DID so many wonderful things with the DOGS. You agree.

Antichristian: Of cos it can't be in the Qur'an! We only have one Lord. He is far from having son/wife like us humans. And everyone is a slave to Allaah!

Achorladey: As long as I know you don't know the Beginning and the end of GOD I leave you to that. The whole and Whole of ALLAH is not in QUR'AN. I believe I am correct on that. And the fact the Quran made reference to the GOSPEL and the Jewish scriptures says it all. Even in the QUR'AN it was made CLEAR the way ALLAH thinks is far far DIFFERENT from the way HUMANS think.

Antichristian: Paul said this. He never met Jesus on real life. Was he present when he was crucified? So how did God made Jesus Yahweh (LORD) and Messiah?

Achorladey: You SIMPLY don't have an IDEA of what you are saying HERE. When you Know who said that scripture and relate it back to the four gospel account you will see how he was MADE LORD and CHRIST.

Antichristian: This is cherry picking! The son of Mary called himself a slave and messenger of Allah in the Qur'an. Adam too was created with the word Be and he was.

Achorladey: What I said is clear enough. Adam is not referred to as the WORD. Jesus was referred to that CLEARLY.

Antichristian: All Prophets and messengers are close to Allaah. From Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elias, Elisha, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon,....Jesus and Muhammad.

THE CLOSEST to ALLAH is JESUS CHRIST. I believe there is a REASON that account is written in the QUR'AN.

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