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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by castrokins(m): 2:28pm On Mar 07, 2020
Wait, Are You Onye Nkuzi?


Gnaeusmagnus:
The problem is, they won't listen

If South Africa wants to be proseprous, they have to increase their manufacturing power. This recession came about because they got too dependent on exporting raw materials, and less dependent on exporting manufactured stuff.

Modifed

Part of the problem is that the arphateid government refused to improve vocational and technical education among the black majority. Because they did not want them to get stronger than the white minority. This meant that as a result, when arphateid came down, SA was not really ready for the global market.

SA could have been an industrial superpower on the level of Japan, China and even Germany. Racism failed them.

The ANC government when they took over, made matters worse. Because there was a high demand for welfare from the poor black majority, they immeidately put their economy on 'sell raw materials, earn money, share the money' mode. Chinese exports wiped out vital parts of their economy like the steel industry. At the end of the day, SA became a resource dependent economy.

A big lesson for Nigeria too.
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by Nobody: 2:29pm On Mar 07, 2020
castrokins:
Wait, Are You Onye Nkuzi?



Are you Bubu?
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by joepepsy(m): 2:29pm On Mar 07, 2020
My first child is 10 years old idiot! You people reason like slowpoke in that country, calling me a toddler, everybody in this forum must be a child except you. illiterate.
pasol4real:

You were still a toddler then so u wud not know
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by HabuD: 2:30pm On Mar 07, 2020
She was not only invited by the south african government but was also appointed HEAD of the economic advisory committee of the country. This is something this myopic nigerian government failed to take advantage of but were rather blackmailing GEJ these past 4+yrs

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by gwafaeziokwu: 2:30pm On Mar 07, 2020
solmusdesigns:


Recession means economy contrasting instead of growing, meaning your quarterly economic growth is negative, in Nigeria the numebr one thing funding our economy is GDP largely backed by crude oil sales, and in SouthAfrica its tourism... when oil price suddenly declined Nigeria suffered recession, and when tourism declined in south africa their economy contrasted

MR OLODO its not rocket science

Your ignorance is really irritating. Tourism is not the mainstay of south African economy. Where will you place Mining,manufacturing, retail and communications.

Like you erroneously asserted in your previous post, xenophobic attacks and consequently decline in tourism is not why south Africa is in recession. Their economy has been going south since Ramaphosa won the presidency. Manufacturing nosedived leading to loss of jobs. This loss of jobs was blamed on the foreigners by ignorant SouthAfricas, who blamed other blacks for taking their jobs. Coupled with the preexisting prejudice against Nigerians as a result of the criminal elements among them, the whole thing spiralled out of control.

Finally, Nigeria did not enter recession as a result of fall in oil prices. We entered into recession because our manufacturing sector was comatose. We weren't the only oil economy in the world. We simply weren't bringing anything to the international money market. Then to worsen the matter, BuBu decided to play ludo with dollar artificial scarcity and all the dumb policies he implemented during his body odour initial gra gra days.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by switspin(f): 2:31pm On Mar 07, 2020
oilPUSSY:
Where is Kemi Adeosun, the yoruba version of Ngozi Okonjo Iwela ?
She is currently serving (NYSC)


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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by Basher8583: 2:31pm On Mar 07, 2020
fairfora:
That's your opinion, which can't influence me in anyway, now or in the future...Nigeria wasn't this bad sush useless leaders we have today until early 80s. Have you heard of an erstwhile war-torn Rwanda? Go there and you would reason differently about Nigerian and African leaders. Just go there on vacation. South Africa is even too far. Ordinary ghana is getting it right. Go to cotonou, you cant spend more than 20k to and fro on transport, accommodation and feeding if you're resident in Lagos. Just spend a night and come back. You'd feel sorry for Nigerian populace.

Those countries you are mentioning are not even as big as Niger state or Oyo state in size and population.
Note... Countries with low population are easier to manage.
Imagine Lagos alone that the population of Igbos far supercede that of Abia, Imo and Anambra join.

Besides the model of governance Rwanda is using if it was to be used in Nigeria you will be the first person to complain.
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by seunmsg(m): 2:34pm On Mar 07, 2020
edoairways:

And what has the current minister achieved ?

What the current minister has achieved is not the subject of this thread. This thread is about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala and her audio appointment as head of South Africa economic advisory council. That woman couldn’t achieve anything as head of economic management team when there was an unprecedented boom in the price of crude oil, it will be a disaster bringing her back to manage our economy at this point in time. Kemi Adosun took us out of recession, Ngozi should help SA out of their recession.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by Nobody: 2:37pm On Mar 07, 2020
Basher8583:


Those countries you are mentioning are not even as big as Niger state or Oyo state in size and population.
Note... Countries with low population are easier to manage.
Imagine Lagos alone that the population of Igbos far supercede that of Abia, Imo and Anambra join.

Besides the model of governance Rwanda is using if it was to be used in Nigeria you will be the first person to complain.
Hmmm, what would you say of south Sudan...more populated than Nigeria? There are other countries I could use as a model or case study in Africa. What of the Central African Republic...is the population also much and why are they not being easy to govern or managed?
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by 0m0nnakoda: 2:38pm On Mar 07, 2020
Ngozi Okonjo Iweala conducted herself whist in office in a way to maintain good personal relationships with bodies like the World Ba so that she would get some kind of landing afterwards.

If you understand that you understand her tenure.


The main challenge when she took over was diversification from crude oil.
She was lucky that she had over 4 years of historically high oil prices.

Did we achieve diversification?


What happened to petrol subsidy between 2011 and 2015 ?under her watch Government funds were diverted from the CBN to PDP

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by pasol4real(m): 2:41pm On Mar 07, 2020
joepepsy:
My first child is 10 years old idiot! You people reason like slowpoke in that country, calling me a toddler, everybody in this forum must be a child accept you, illiterate.
Apologies for calling you a toddler was just trying to be nice . If u weren’t a toddler then u must be a dumb head n an ignoramus to have written that trash.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by Nobody: 2:44pm On Mar 07, 2020
fairfora:
That's your opinion, which can't influence me in anyway, now or in the future...Nigeria wasn't this bad sush useless leaders we have today until early 80s. Have you heard of an erstwhile war-torn Rwanda? Go there and you would reason differently about Nigerian and African leaders. Just go there on vacation. South Africa is even too far. Ordinary ghana is getting it right. Go to cotonou, you cant spend more than 20k to and fro on transport, accommodation and feeding if you're resident in Lagos. Just spend a night and come back. You'd feel sorry for Nigerian populace.
..... I travel more than you can imagine ! Come ghana and here dem on side of the story , cotonou is now in disarray because of border closure the so called Rwanda that you are talking about only revolves at the Country's Capital, South Africa is in disarray too, So what's new in Africa ?.... You people think Nigeria is the only country that have BAD LEADERSHIP. Stay in some African countries for at least TWO Years or more before you Pass Verdict

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by AppDevt: 2:45pm On Mar 07, 2020
Correcto:
Just shut up if you know nothing about the economy. She warned about this earlier as if she was a prophet


Mrs Ngozi started the Sovereign Wealth Fund, a company she put 1 billion dollars and got Nigerians from Havard to run it as a profitable venture for “ future generations “

They call it Future generations savings . The place is still run well and in Abuja . This government has borrowed money from there .

She brought “you win “ to encourage young entrepreneurs and was on merit .
She kept saying we should save , but the governors headed by Oshiomhole took her to court saying “ they want to share the money” , and they kept sharing the excess crude funds against her wish .

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by APCNig: 2:45pm On Mar 07, 2020
SpecialAdviser:
Great. I really wished Buhari swallowed the humble pie and appointed this woman into his cabinet.

Everything cannot be politics of bitterness. Good people that can help your government should be considered irrespective of party affiliation.

So that she can come and share money again. 16 years in government, zero infrastructure.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by AppDevt: 2:47pm On Mar 07, 2020
[quote author=johnmartus post=87238977]She put Nigeria in to a recession then. The evil being called okonjo iwella continue working for whites to make Africa country poor. [


/Mrs Ngozi started the Sovereign Wealth Fund, a company she put 1 billion dollars and got Nigerians from Havard to run it as a profitable venture for “ future generations “

They call it Future generations savings . The place is still run well and in Abuja . This government has borrowed money from there .

She brought “you win “ to encourage young entrepreneurs and was on merit .
She kept saying we should save , but the governors headed by Oshiomhole took her to court saying “ they want to share the money” , and they kept sharing the excess crude funds against her wish .

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by edoairways: 2:47pm On Mar 07, 2020
seunmsg:


What the current minister has achieved is not the subject of this thread. This thread is about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala and her audio appointment as head of South Africa economic advisory council. That woman couldn’t achieve anything as head of economic management team when there was an unprecedented boom in the price of crude oil, it will be a disaster bringing her back to manage our economy at this point in time. Kemi Adosun took us out of recession, Ngozi should help SA out of their recession.
Was there recession in the first place? There have been argument by some economist on whether Nigeria had recession. Some are of the opinion that the country neither had it since they were skeptical about it
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by Righteousness89(m): 2:48pm On Mar 07, 2020
johnmattew:
she was a huge asset during Obasanjo's tenure...not Jonathan

she was conniving with IMF/World Bank for our economy downfall
Like I said, you don't seem to know the intricacies of government... Okonji Iwela was a huge Asset to the Jonathan government and to Nigeria it was just unfortunate that there was so much propagandas against the government..
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by AppDevt: 2:49pm On Mar 07, 2020
[quote author=Sirjamo post=87239462]We had her for eight years, what did she do? I cannot point to a single legacy of Madame Ngozi. [/


Mrs Ngozi started the Sovereign Wealth Fund, a company she put 1 billion dollars and got Nigerians from Havard to run it as a profitable venture for “ future generations “

They call it Future generations savings . The place is still run well and in Abuja . This government has borrowed money from there .

She brought “you win “ to encourage young entrepreneurs and was on merit .
She kept saying we should save , but the governors headed by Oshiomhole took her to court saying “ they want to share the money” , and they kept sharing the excess crude funds against her wish .

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by 0m0nnakoda: 2:49pm On Mar 07, 2020
gwafaeziokwu:


Your ignorance is really irritating. Tourism is not the mainstay of south African economy. Where will you place Mining,manufacturing, retail and communications.

Like you erroneously asserted in your previous post, xenophobic attacks and consequently decline in tourism is not why south Africa is in recession. Their economy has been going south since Momphasa won the presidency. Manufacturing nosedived leading to loss of jobs. This loss of jobs was blamed on the foreigners by ignorant SouthAfricas, who blamed other blacks for taking their jobs. Coupled with the preexisting prejudice against Nigerians as a result of the criminal elements among them, the whole thing spiralled out of control.

Finally, Nigeria did not enter recession as a result of fall in oil prices. We entered into recession because our manufacturing sector was comatose. We weren't the only oil economy in the world. We simply weren't bringing anything to the international money market. Then to worsen the matter, BuBu decided to play ludo with dollar artificial scarcity and all the dumb policies he implemented during his body odour initial gra gra days.


We entered recession BECAUSE of oil prices.
Do not mix it up.

Manufacturing was never that big a contributor to growth.

Oil prices are important in Nigeria because government spending is the largest single driver of GDp and government borrowing determines interest
The oil price crash IMMEDIATELY impacted exchange rates and produced sharp inflation as a consequence.
Nigeria has always been a major importer so you manufacturing theory makes no sense.
What changed in the manufacturing sector in 2015 that was not happening in 2014 or 2013?
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by joepepsy(m): 2:51pm On Mar 07, 2020
Low live.
pasol4real:

Apologies for calling you a toddler was just trying to be nice . If u weren’t a toddler then u must be a dumb head n an ignoramus to have written that trash.
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by CSTR2: 2:55pm On Mar 07, 2020
Basher8583:


You are such a bigotted coward. So you cannot answer that simple question. Is her achievement so minuscule and disgraceful for you that you can't answer the question with confidence?
If I descend on you eh.

Compare the standard of living, macro economic and economic indices, strength of the naira, inflation rate, poverty rate, Sovereign wealth fund creation, foreign reserve, in 2014 and compare with 2020.

The difference in those is what Ngozi did.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by kotv: 2:56pm On Mar 07, 2020
gwafaeziokwu:

Finally, Nigeria did not enter recession as a result of fall in oil prices. We entered into recession because our manufacturing sector was comatose. We weren't the only oil economy in the world. We simply weren't bringing anything to the international money market. Then to worsen the matter, BuBu decided to play ludo with dollar artificial scarcity and all the dumb policies he implemented during his body odour initial gra gra days.


Also, the governors ignoring and fighting Ngozi's suggestion to save also contributed to the recessio.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by Nobody: 2:56pm On Mar 07, 2020
igbokwenu90:
..... I travel more than you can imagine ! Come ghana and here dem on side of the story , cotonou is now in disarray because of border closure the so called Rwanda that you are talking about only revolves at the Country's Capital, South Africa is in disarray too, So what's new in Africa ?
Lool. Hmmmm. I was in cotonou on the 2nd of this month, till thursday. My younger brother, a medical doctor lectures in one of the Rwandan universities and I've visited him a couple of times so, I can tell of there I've been to. What you said about cotonou isn't true, south africa too. Do you think Nigerian govt is fine with the border closure economically? Do you realise how much they used to make from idiroko and seme borders before? Why did you think the customs comptroller general queried his people for not meeting targets? The way Nigerian port serves african sub continent, so is benin republic's. Instead of Nigeria routing their goods through Benin port, they do so via Lagos port now and that doesn't stop Benin from serving other countries because our port charges and duties are the highest in the region. We, through our manufacturer are executing a project for Moov, one of the telecoms providers in cotonou and I've been going there steadily since 2017. From your post, i can tell who you are and it's better I don't reply you again. You don't deserve my precious time

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by CSTR2: 2:56pm On Mar 07, 2020
Thonypadua:
And the political experty can't name what his godmother achieved during her tenure.
You bought bag of rice for N18000.
That is what Ngozi did.

That is economics 101 for dullards.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by AppDevt: 2:59pm On Mar 07, 2020
0m0nnakoda:
The tribal bias is shameful
What exactly did she achieve as finance minister

ONE THING PLEASE?




How much was dollar when she was there ?
The economy was very good , people were not starving ; she worked hand in hand with minister of agriculture,


I will say only 3 of her legacies , she had over 50

Mrs Ngozi started the Sovereign Wealth Fund, a company she put 1 billion dollars and got Nigerians from Havard to run it as a profitable venture for “ future generations “

They call it Future generations savings . The place is still run well and in Abuja . This government has borrowed money from there .

She brought “you win “ to encourage young entrepreneurs and was on merit . So many hi bless youths with great ideas were given seed funding and were monitored very well from start to finish .

She kept saying we should save , but the governors headed by Oshiomhole took her to court saying “ they want to share the money” , and they kept sharing the excess crude funds against her wish .
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by NGpatriot: 2:59pm On Mar 07, 2020
It beats me why they praise their useless and incompetent people, especially okonjo who colluded with Jona to steal our security fund and gave it to Dasuki to share with their cronies.

Okonjo and Jona were practically borrowing hundreds of billions every month to pay salary up a few days before PMB.

When oil was selling for $77, okonjo declared austerity measures, imagine her action with oil selling for $27, probable auction off Nigeria.

SA's economy is inside trash, they are in a recession while Nigeria's economy is full steam ahead as the largest economy in Africa.

SA can have that useless and incompetent woman, she can teach them how to steal money for sharing, she can teach them how not to diversify and instead declare austerity.

Good riddance.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by Nobody: 3:01pm On Mar 07, 2020
oilPUSSY:
Where is Kemi Adeosun, the yoruba version of Ngozi Okonjo Iwela ?



Helinues and Yarimo will know grin

Cc lzaa gmbuharii sarrki afamed

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by AppDevt: 3:03pm On Mar 07, 2020
kotv:


Also, the governors ignoring and fighting Ngozi's suggestion to save also contributed to the recessio.

The governors headed by Oshiomhole took her to court , they wanted to “share” the money , and they won the case against her wish and kept sharing the money.

She is a big advocate of saving the excess crude funds and diversification of resources .
Her key word was Let is invest and save , but they refused .

She still struggled and got the “Sovereign Wealth funds” for future generations. She made sure she established that with 1 billion dollars .

“ You win “ was also a big one from her
Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by googi: 3:04pm On Mar 07, 2020
Can someone educate us on ONE country Okonjo has saved or brought back from financial disaster. Better still, mention one private financial corporate business that has ever employed her.

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by LZAA: 3:04pm On Mar 07, 2020
immhotep:

Helinues and Yarimo will know grin

Cc lzaa gmbuharii sarrki afamed
Sai nyscgrin

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Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Meets Ramaphosa, Advisory Council Over South African Economy by NGpatriot: 3:05pm On Mar 07, 2020
FG borrows N473bn to pay salaries – Okonjo-Iweala

Wednesday, May 6, 2015

The federal government has borrowed 473 billion naira to meet up with recurrent expenditure including paying of salaries while it is yet to release funds for capital projects.

According to Reuters, Nigeria has already used half the borrowing allowance it has budgeted for and has not released any funds for capital expenditure so far this year, as lower oil prices eat into its revenues, the country’s finance minister said on Tuesday.

“We have serious challenges,” Finance Minister Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala said in an emailed statement. “Things have been tough since the beginning of the year and they are likely to remain so till the end of the year.”

The borrowed money has been spent to cover overhead, including salaries, the minister said.


https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/05/06/fg-borrows-n473bn-to-pay-salaries-okonjo-iweala/





By the time the useless woman left office, she's trashed our economy so bad that she was borrowing hundreds of billions every month to pay FG worker's salary.

Sad..

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