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Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Kobojunkie: 6:17pm On Dec 28, 2010
Pharoh:

So what are they now regulating then if the electoral commission has the final say about election results? In Nigerian there are tribunals and courts to resolve election disputes but in the case of ivory coast the constitutional council is responsible for that. The electoral commission only conducts election and hands over the results to the constitutional council and if there are disputes the council will take appropriate measures simple. they could order a re-run or do s they seem fit. they have investigated and resolved the mistakes so everyone should accept that as they are the final authority about elections in that country.
Are you now suggesting that the constitutional council has power of the courts in Ivory Coast?
IF, there are disputes, again yes, but in this case, where did the disputes come from? You keep mentioning this and I keep pointing you back to what the constitution really says of such cases. Yet you keep IGNORING that to assert your view as the way it ought to be instead. Even in the case of disputes, the constitutional council can annul or order a do-over but it is NOT given power to TAMPER with the results in anyway.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Faeb: 6:25pm On Dec 28, 2010
A country that declares half its population to be foreigners, not just that, but all Northerners, really deserves to be invaded.
It is so despicable and disgusting! How can black people impose apartheid on themselves and some clowns here are justifying it? How?

Abeg, lets roll in the tanks. If Gbagbo's ears are blocked, bombs can reopen them and missiles can cause morality and intelligence to re-engage.

Gbagbo easily wins the fool of the year award.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Kobojunkie: 6:27pm On Dec 28, 2010
johndoe200:

Wow in your world regulators have no ENFORCEMENT powers ? If the regulator can enforce it's decisions, then it must therefore have the final word in a dispute with the bodies it regulates. This is obvious to all.
Enforcement now means TAKE OVER? WOW  . . . I guess the dictionary ought to be informed then.

There is no dispute that the enforcers in this case do have final word in a dispute[b]**[/b], the problem here is there was barely any dispute. Instead, again, what happened was the Council took it on itself to invalidated votes from regions that gave majority support to the other candidate (note this was not done in cooperation with the constitutionally suggested INDEPENDENT electoral commission) and decide the winner at the end of that exercise.

[b]**[/b]the constitution states specifically what ought to take place in the case of a dispute

johndoe200:

What the west and it's proxies are doing is just sheer bullying. I watched the interview with Gbagbo and he clearly stated that what people should be concerned with is who really won the elections.
Ok, who really did win the election? According to recent happenings, he did, by the actions of the constitutional council, without the involvement of the INDEPENDENT electoral commission.

johndoe200:

The duty of ANNOUNCING the winner of the election is what the commission has, after that aggrieved parties can go to the regulators, judiciary etc.
As to why the regulators took the actions they did, they have not given reasons, but I am sure they have their reasons.
a) Was Gbagbo, the same one who you claim in the interview you watched, asked  that people focus on learning who really won the election, ever an aggrieved party in all this?
b) If your answer is a NO, who was?
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by OchiAgha2(m): 6:34pm On Dec 28, 2010
Why should Nigeria be involved in another African nation's affairs, when our own country is going up in flames? I don't know about others, but this Jos crisis is becoming more alarming. How long do you think it will take for it to spread? They are already using car bombs now!
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Pharoh: 6:35pm On Dec 28, 2010
Kobojunkie:

Are you now suggesting that the constitutional council has power of the courts in Ivory Coast?
IF, there are disputes, again yes, but in this case, where did the disputes come from? You keep mentioning this and I keep pointing you back to what the constitution really says of such cases. Yet you keep IGNORING that to assert your view as the way it ought to be instead. Even in the case of disputes, the constitutional council can annul or order a do-over but it is NOT given power to TAMPER with the results in anyway.


There was disputes already because the result was announced from the hotel where quattara was lodging instead of the electoral commissions office and a day late to the set deadline which makes the announced results invalid according to the constitutional council.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Pharoh: 6:39pm On Dec 28, 2010
Ochi_Agha:

Why should Nigeria be involved in another African nation's affairs, when our own country is going up in flames? I don't know about others, but this Jos crisis is becoming more alarming. How long do you think it will take for it to spread? They are already using car bombs now!

Don't mind them since it is exactly the same issue affecting both crisis, southern Ivorians do not want settlers to rule over them and in Jos also the indigenes do not want to give any political relevance to the northern settlers. I wonder why Ecowas is not saying anything about the Jos crisis or only a simple condemnation will suffice in our own case.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Kobojunkie: 6:40pm On Dec 28, 2010
Pharoh:

There was disputes already because the result was announced from the hotel where quattara was lodging instead of the electoral commissions office and a day late to the set deadline which makes the announced results invalid according to the constitutional council.


For once answer the particular question asked rather than continue to fish around the place for reasons to support you,apparently, do not even believe to be the case. A dispute is not the same as an irregularity.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Gbawe: 8:37pm On Dec 28, 2010
Pharoh:

Don't mind them since it is exactly the same issue affecting both crisis, southern Ivorians do not want settlers to rule over them and in Jos also the indigenes do not want to give any political relevance to the northern settlers. I wonder why Ecowas is not saying anything about the Jos crisis or only a simple condemnation will suffice in our own case.

You keep saying this but Ouattara , according to all indices , is Ivorian. He is Ivorian by birth, naturalisation and marriage. You appear to be shifting the goal post like the Politicans causing this impasse .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alassane_Ouattara

While serving as Prime Minister, Ouattara also carried out presidential duties for a total of 18 months, including the period from March 1993 to December 1993, when Houphouët-Boigny was ill.[4] Houphouët-Boigny died on December 7, 1993, and Ouattara announced his death to the nation, saying that "Côte d'Ivoire is orphaned".[5][6] A brief power struggle ensued between Ouattara and Henri Konan Bédié, the President of the National Assembly, over the presidential succession; Bédié prevailed and Ouattara resigned as Prime Minister on December 9.[7] Ouattara then returned to the IMF as Deputy Managing Director, holding that post from July 1, 1994[1][2] to July 31, 1999.[2]

[edit] 1995 electionPrior to the October 1995 presidential election, in a move that was viewed as being intended to prevent Ouattara's potential presidential candidacy, the National Assembly of Côte d'Ivoire approved an electoral code which barred candidates if either of their parents were of a foreign nationality and if they had not lived in Côte d'Ivoire for the preceding five years. The Rally of the Republicans (RDR), an opposition party formed as a split from the ruling Democratic Party of Côte d'Ivoire (PDCI) in 1994, sought for Ouattara to be its presidential candidate despite the electoral code. In late June 1995, RDR Secretary-General Djéni Kobina met with Ouattara, at which time, according to Kobina, Ouattara said "I'm ready to join you".[8] The party nominated Ouattara as its presidential candidate on July 3, 1995[9] at its first ordinary congress.[10] The government would not change the electoral code, however,[8] and Ouattara declined the nomination.[11][12] The RDR boycotted the election, along with the Ivorian Popular Front (FPI) of Laurent Gbagbo, leaving the PDCI's candidate, incumbent president Henri Konan Bédié, to win an easy victory.[8]

[edit] President of the RDRWhile serving as Deputy Managing Director at the IMF, in March 1998 Ouattara expressed his intention to return to Côte d'Ivoire and take part in politics again.[13] After leaving the IMF in July 1999, he was elected President of the RDR on August 1, 1999 at an extraordinary congress of the party,[14] as well as being chosen as its candidate for the next presidential election.[15] He said that he was eligible to stand in the election, pointing to documents which he said demonstrated that he and his parents were of Ivorian birth. He was accused of forging these papers, however, and an investigation was begun.[16][17] President Bédié described Ouattara as a Burkinabe and said that Houphouët-Boigny "wanted Alassane Ouattara to concern himself only with the economy".[18] Ouattara's nationality certificate, issued in late September 1999,[19] was annulled by a court on October 27.[19][20] An arrest warrant for Ouattara was issued on November 29, although he was out of the country at the time; he nevertheless said that he would return by late December.[21] On December 24, the military seized power, ousting Bédié. Ouattara returned to Côte d'Ivoire after three months in France on December 29, hailing Bédié's ouster as "not a coup d'état", but "a revolution supported by all the Ivorian people".[22][23]

A new constitution, approved by referendum in July 2000, controversially barred presidential candidates unless both of their parents were Ivorian,[24] and Ouattara was disqualified from the 2000 presidential election.[25] The issues surrounding this were major factors in the Civil war in Côte d'Ivoire, which broke out in 2002.

When asked in an interview about Ouattara's nationality, Burkinabé President Capt. Blaise Compaoré responded, "For us things are simple: he does not come from Burkina Faso, neither by birth, marriage, or naturalization. This man has been Prime Minister of Côte d'Ivoire."

President Gbagbo affirmed on August 6, 2007 that Ouattara could stand in the next Ivorian presidential election.[26] Ouattara was designated as the RDR's presidential candidate at its Second Ordinary Congress on February 1–3, 2008; he was also re-elected as President of the RDR for another five years. At the congress, he invited the former rebel New Forces, from whom he had previously distanced himself, to team up with the RDR for the election.[27]

The RDR and the PDCI are both members of the Rally of Houphouëtistes, and while Ouattara and Bédié will run separately in the first round, each has agreed to support the other if only the other makes it into a potential second round.[27]
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Nobody: 11:38pm On Dec 28, 2010
Alassane Ouattara is a bona fide Ivorian since his father is Ivorian and he was born in Cote'd Ivoire. His mother is from Burkina Faso however.

So in what way does he not qualify to run for the presidency? undecided
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Kobojunkie: 1:06am On Dec 29, 2010
kalokalo:

Alassane Ouattara is a bona fide Ivorian since his father is Ivorian and he was born in Cote'd Ivoire. His mother is from Burkina Faso however.

So in what way does he not qualify to run for the presidency? undecided

The council never really disqualified him as a candidate.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Dede1(m): 1:54am On Dec 29, 2010
What is the cause of this recent political infatuation UN, European Union and copycat African Union seemed to have on Alassane Ouattara? Whenever the UN or European Union shows political fancy on any African running for a position such as presidency, the African must have shown a pedigree as a qualified porter.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by Beaf: 1:56am On Dec 29, 2010
kalokalo:

Alassane Ouattara is a bona fide Ivorian since his father is Ivorian and he was born in Cote'd Ivoire. His mother is from Burkina Faso however.

So in what way does he not qualify to run for the presidency? undecided

He has been disqualified as not being Ivorian enough in 1995 under Konan Bédié's "Ivorité" policy. General Robert Guéi took over and maintained the same apartheid policy. Gbagbo's people killed Guéi and Gbagbo continued the same apartheid policy, even though it led to a costly war.

The Ivorité discriminatory policy is behind Ivory Coasts problems and has spilt a lot of blood. The policy effectively rules all Northerners as 2nd class citizens; a watered down version was enshrined in their electoral law and only recently expunged; according to that law, you aren't Ivorian if one of your parents has foreign nationality or if a person hasn't lived in Ivory Coast continuosly fot the past five years.

. . .All the above just to exlude opponents and keep filthy loot. Talk of oudoing Hitler in West Africa.
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by kcjazz(m): 2:36am On Dec 29, 2010
As much as am against stubborn Gbagbo, I really think ECOMOG invading IVC is a bit too quick. The nations closer to IVC should contribute Armies at least less than Nigeria. Personally, I think its time for Nigeria to rethink this "Africa as a centerpiece of our foreign policy" strategy since we are never appreciated. Come on Ghana, show some muscle wink
Re: We Can Solve Our Problems: Ivorians Tells Nigeria by dinggle: 9:40am On Dec 29, 2010
1. Simply put Nigeria has no business talking about military intervention in any country.
2. We didn't have a free and fair election and no country came with military intervention.
3. Ghana should take Nigeria's role they have proven over and over that they can hold credible election to the pride of their people and Ivorians need to learn from Ghana and not from Nigeria.

4. Ivorians should have gone a step forward to say, "Nigerians we don't wanna learn from you, till your election right"

5. No doubt Gbagbo should step down, but Nigeria should not have any say in it period!

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