bennyrazz:
Is there no man of God in Nigeria, America, Italy, Spain etc I don't intend to bash leadership of the church in Nigeria but my intention is to challenge them, how many church denominations do we have in this country? Probably 10,000 or more

We all know that there is God but this is the time for our General overseers, Reverends, Bishops to prove to the whole world that the raw power of God is in them. But where are they? Hiding and busy doing virtual churches. imagine you closing down the house of God because of Corona virus What nonsense!!! Go to the hospital, heal the sick, raise the dead because Jesus did it. This will promote the kingdom of God beyond Nigeria, this will glorify the name of Jesus all over the world. Medicine has failed, Scientists are failing, what are you doing as a man of God? Prove to the unbelievers that Jesus will never fail to heal them if only they confess him.

Listen, if a man called by God can truly go to where corona virus patients are and he can demonstrate the power of God by healing them in the name of Jesus, do you know what that will do to the church in Nigeria? It will be all over the News, People that don't believe in Jesus would believe, alot of people would get born again.

For it is written in the book of Mark 16:17-20

17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

They will lay hands on the sick and the sick shall recover, Pastor, General Overseers, Bishops stop hiding under virtual churches, go and prove to the world that Jesus Heals. Prove to the world that truly you are called by God, afterall Elijah proved to the world that he was a man called by God. Prove your own, let the whole world see it and glorify God in heaven.

@Myndd44
@lalasticlala

hupernikao:


Okay.
Please can I ask first if are you a Christian?

bennyrazz:
if am not, i wont be posting

hupernikao:


Okay, so, i can take that as meaning you are a Christian.

Now, the reason i asked is because of the scripture you quote.

Mark 16:17
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

If you read well, he said this signs shall follow them that believe. He didnt specifically mention any "Man of God" and there is no where in the NT that you will see such specifically ascribed to a certain "Man of God". It is for believers.

So, my question will thus be: What have you specifically as a believer do concerning healing this period. If you are a believer, that scripture is for you too. If all you see is a "Man of God" performing things only, then am sorry, you may have been taught wrongly or exposed to wrong doctrines.

Else, we should quit reading scriptures for others and not see ourselves. See yourself in that verse as you are there, then ask, what are you doing or have you done, what should you do in this situation. Your answers to this will help you to see others in better light.

So, Bro. What you asked pointed directly to you too and if you are careful to answer this as applied to you then you should do the same to other brethren you may end up tarnishing because of how you feel.

bennyrazz:
you are very right. But Apostle Paul and Peter where leaders of the church in those days and they did all these things. They were at the forefront of every battle the church faced. You and I can heal the sick cuz it is clearly stated in that Bible verse quoted above. But we want our Christian leaders to prove themselves by destroying this Global pandemic. Not proving themselves through seed, tithes and offerings

But we want our Christian leaders to prove themselves by destroying this Global pandemic.

hupernikao:


Kindly stay on track. Discussion here is not tithes and offerings.

Secondly, who are the "we" in the . It is good to speak from your point only.

To your response. It is obvious why the Apostles were at forefront in the early church. They were the ones Jesus gave direct instructions to. Today those instructions are written (NT) and we (Christians) all have access to it. Hence, you can read yourself and know and you know that instruction is also for you. So, if you feel your Pastor is doing it well, why cant you act since it seems you may know more than him. You have this same access to the miraculous. What have you done with it.

I am sure you would have questioned the Holyghost when Joseph was instructed to take baby Jesus to Egypt to avoid Herod's killing. You would have asked: Man of God "Joseph" or "baby of God" Jesus, why are you running away, arent you of God with power, stay and kill Herod. SHOW US PROVE, as you asked.

Bro, see, the wisdom of God, even if you are quarantined on top of Burj Khalifa (the tallest building in the world) and enabled with Galileo telescope to view, you wont still find it.

Hence, what a serious Christian should be doing in this period, is to pray for his Pastor, for God's wisdom, pray for the church, and its local church, for the government and health workers for preservation of life and if there is need for clarity, ask in all humility and honor not to be accusing his own BODY.

bennyrazz:
i agree discussions here is not tithe and offering, but i still repeat, once it comes to tithe, offerings, seed, vows and pledges they device all manners of schemes to collect the money. Now let them device a scheme to defeat this global pandemic. See i'm not an anti-tither or offering. (I do pay) i just want them to prove to the world that Jesus heals. I use the term "we" for those that share in my sentiments. Since you are not still understanding let me break it down for you.

The anointing that flows or the spirit that operates in a Pastor whom is called to serve in the vineyard is different from that of an average christian. A true born again christian can pray from morning till night for common headache to go or fever, the headache will never leave until maybe after a few days but a Pastor led by the spirit, called by God will require just maybe 1 minute of prayers and the headache is gone, hope you understand? Our roles in the body of christ as Christians is different from that of a Pastor. The Pastor's role, the Prophet's role is clearly defined in the Bible. I just want the name of God to be glorified.

OtemAtum:
First of all, you have to be aware that there was no Jesus who did a miracle. It's nothing but fiction. Secondly, you should know that there is no pastors who has ever cured anyone. They are all performing drama. They can do nothing through Jesus Christ who strengthens them.

Lastly, be aware that Jehovah the originator of both Judaism and Christianity is currently in a spiritual cage, because this is the age of science, therefore all gods of all religions must be encaged. Read Otem Erectus 226.

hupernikao:


Kindly stay on track. Discussion here is not tithes and offerings.

Secondly, who are the "we" in the . It is good to speak from your point only.

To your response. It is obvious why the Apostles were at forefront in the early church. They were the ones Jesus gave direct instructions to. Today those instructions are written (NT) and we (Christians) all have access to it. Hence, you can read yourself and know and you know that instruction is also for you. So, if you feel your Pastor is doing it well, why cant you act since it seems you may know more than him. You have this same access to the miraculous. What have you done with it.

I am sure you would have questioned the Holyghost when Joseph was instructed to take baby Jesus to Egypt to avoid Herod's killing. You would have asked: Man of God "Joseph" or "baby of God" Jesus, why are you running away, arent you of God with power, stay and kill Herod. SHOW US PROVE, as you asked.

Bro, see, the wisdom of God, even if you are quarantined on top of Burj Khalifa (the tallest building in the world) and enabled with Galileo telescope to view, you wont still find it.

Hence, what a serious Christian should be doing in this period, is to pray for his Pastor, for God's wisdom, pray for the church, and its local church, for the government and health workers for preservation of life and if there is need for clarity, ask in all humility and honor not to be accusing his own BODY.

onlyfacts:


As much as you may try to redirect the attention from pastors to individual readers of the Bible or Christians, just know one thing, Europe and America where prominent continents for Christianity in the past but they lost their relevance. Atheism is the dominant belief there now and it started like this.

Global pandemics of black death in the Middle Ages, amongst others in 1820,1920 etc came and left and exposed the church.

To whom great power is given, great works is expected. To whom great responsibility is given, great accomplishment and accountability is expected. Now judge for yourself who has greater responsibility in healing here, pastors or individual members? Jesus our leader will never send his disciples to do anything he himself will not do or has not done. He is a leader and led by example. Key word is lead by example!

Just note come end of this pandemic pastors will lose more credibility, is that what you desire?

OtemAtum:
First of all, you have to be aware that there was no Jesus who did a miracle. It's nothing but fiction. Secondly, you should know that there is no pastors who has ever cured anyone. They are all performing drama. They can do nothing through Jesus Christ who strengthens them.

Lastly, be aware that Jehovah the originator of both Judaism and Christianity is currently in a spiritual cage, because this is the age of science, therefore all gods of all religions must be encaged. Read Otem Erectus 226.

bennyrazz:
bro, loud it, loud it. A lot of Pastors will lose their credibility and i wouldnt want to see that. It will have negative impact on the church

bennyrazz:
you can create your own thread for this

hupernikao:


Mr Otem,
I am not sure th OP refer to people like you. You can look on and exercise your knowledge of what you believe in else where or create a post to display this your extraordinary wisdom. We already have enough distraction Sir.

onlyfacts:


It's the simple, logical and plain truth bro. If they fail Christians who have faith in God and them as his anointed men because they are all scared of COVID-19, them their credibility is almost totally gone!

They should JUST preach the word instead and leave healing for the hospitals...

hupernikao:


Okay.
Please can I ask first if are you a Christian?

bennyrazz:
This is a big challenge of their faith and the faith we have in them as God's Ambassadors on earth. So if God's Ambassador on earth cannot do anything, it only points us to one bitter truth "they are not God's Ambassadors or they were formerly God's Ambassadors but they have lost their roles in the plan of God" and they are still dwelling on past glory

CAPSLOCKED:


THIS IS NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM, THIS IS ABOUT TRUTH AND LIFE.

WE JUST NEEDED ONE PANDEMIC TO EXPOSE THE INEFFICIENCY OF PRAYERS AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

SINCE THE DAY I WAS BORN I'VE HEARD ABOUT PASTORS AND HOW THEY FIGHT WITCHES, AND CURE ALL MANNER IF DISEASES. SOME EVEN WENT AHEAD TO BRING BACK DEAD PEOPLE TO LIFE. THEY HAVE CLAIMED THERE IS NOTHING THEY CANNOT DO THROUGH "CHRIST" WHO HAS GIVEN THEM DOMINION AND AUTHORITY OVER EVERYTHING.

NOW WE'RE FACING A REALISTIC WORLD SITUATION AND THEY'RE ALL HIDING? NO SINGLE PRIEST OR NATIVE DOCTOR IS ABLE TO REPLICATE THE MAGICS AND DELIVERANCE THEY'VE BEEN DOING IN THEIR CHURCHES AND SHRINES?

I FIND IT HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW RELIGION CONTINUES TO THRIVE WHEN ALL HUMANS HAVE SAME BRAINS IN THEIR HEADS, SUPPORTED BY THE INTERNET, AND OF COURSE, ALL OF RELIGION'S OWN LOOPHOLES.

OtemAtum:

I am a human being like anyone else, so I can comment anywhere in any thread I want.

hupernikao:


Sure you can comment but causing distraction is a different thing. You dont have to comment on every post especially if you have nothing to say on it. You can open your own post to create a new argument point. That is what is normal.

onlyfacts:


As much as you may try to redirect the attention from pastors to individual readers of the Bible or Christians, just know one thing, Europe and America where prominent continents for Christianity in the past but they lost their relevance. Atheism is the dominant belief there now and it started like this.

Global pandemics of black death in the Middle Ages, amongst others in 1820,1920 etc came and left and exposed the church.

To whom great power is given, great works is expected. To whom great responsibility is given, great accomplishment and accountability is expected. Now judge for yourself who has greater responsibility in healing here, pastors or individual members? Jesus our leader will never send his disciples to do anything he himself will not do or has not done. He is a leader and led by example. Key word is lead by example!

Just note come end of this pandemic pastors will lose more credibility, is that what you desire?

OtemAtum:
No, it is not distraction. Rather, I stated the truth about Jesus, the preachers and then Jehovah their god.
It's like asking a question: Which of these drink is the best? Sniper or Conc. Acid? Then I reply you by first letting you that both drinks are not potable because they are poisonous. That's the case with my reply up there. I didn't speak out of point.

hupernikao:


Okay, what i am saying too is that you should open a new post for this your truth and analogy of Sniper and Acid. You can even add pix of there bottles to drive home your points. That will be a cool thing to do in a new post.

hupernikao:


Jesus is your lord not your Pastor. Your Pastor is to help you discover more and guide you in God's way but Christ is your Light. Christ gave his word to us all, hence i am sure in your vicinity, you can prove his word as the OP said. What OP raised is not a Pastor thing but for all believers. Phillip went to Samaria by himself, he wasnt sent there. He exercise Christ authority there, he didnt call the Apostle to come and lead by example. He preached and wrought miracles. He was a common believer as at that period.

COVID will come and go, miracles and healing will still yet abound by the hands of Christians all over the world. There is no need calling out names or people. we should all do our own part. I am sure you have a church/pastor if you are a Christian, but have you spoken to him on this?

onlyfacts:


As much as you may try to redirect the attention from pastors to individual readers of the Bible or Christians, just know one thing, Europe and America where prominent continents for Christianity in the past but they lost their relevance. Atheism is the dominant belief there now and it started like this.

Global pandemics of black death in the Middle Ages, amongst others in 1820,1920 etc came and left and exposed the church.

To whom great power is given, great works is expected. To whom great responsibility is given, great accomplishment and accountability is expected. Now judge for yourself who has greater responsibility in healing here, pastors or individual members? Jesus our leader will never send his disciples to do anything he himself will not do or has not done. He is a leader and led by example. Key word is lead by example!

Just note come end of this pandemic pastors will lose more credibility, is that what you desire?

potent5:
I agree.
This is the time for the GOs, Bigshops, Reverends, etc. to prove the genuineness of their miracles over the decades they have been been sucking the poor dry with their fake claims.

OtemAtum:
First of all, you have to be aware that there was no Jesus who did a miracle. It's nothing but fiction. Secondly, you should know that there is no pastors who has ever cured anyone. They are all performing drama. They can do nothing through Jesus Christ who strengthens them.

Lastly, be aware that Jehovah the originator of both Judaism and Christianity is currently in a spiritual cage, because this is the age of science, therefore all gods of all religions must be encaged. Read Otem Erectus 226.

bennyrazz:
if am not, i wont be posting

bennyrazz:
Is there no man of God in Nigeria, America, Italy, Spain etc I don't intend to bash leadership of the church in Nigeria but my intention is to challenge them, how many church denominations do we have in this country? Probably 10,000 or more

We all know that there is God but this is the time for our General overseers, Reverends, Bishops to prove to the whole world that the raw power of God is in them. But where are they? Hiding and busy doing virtual churches. imagine you closing down the house of God because of Corona virus What nonsense!!! Go to the hospital, heal the sick, raise the dead because Jesus did it. This will promote the kingdom of God beyond Nigeria, this will glorify the name of Jesus all over the world. Medicine has failed, Scientists are failing, what are you doing as a man of God? Prove to the unbelievers that Jesus will never fail to heal them if only they confess him.

Listen, if a man called by God can truly go to where corona virus patients are and he can demonstrate the power of God by healing them in the name of Jesus, do you know what that will do to the church in Nigeria? It will be all over the News, People that don't believe in Jesus would believe, alot of people would get born again.

For it is written in the book of Mark 16:17-20

17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

They will lay hands on the sick and the sick shall recover, Pastor, General Overseers, Bishops stop hiding under virtual churches, go and prove to the world that Jesus Heals. Prove to the world that truly you are called by God, afterall Elijah proved to the world that he was a man called by God. Prove your own, let the whole world see it and glorify God in heaven.

@Myndd44
@lalasticlala