Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,194,375 members, 7,954,521 topics. Date: Friday, 20 September 2024 at 09:00 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / Jesus Is God. See (11264 Views)
Jesus Is God! See Evidenced / God Is A Good Loving God. See Proof / Wearing Of Trouser As A Woman Is Unacceptable By God,see Proof. (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) ... (8) (9) (10) (11) (12) (13) (14) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 5:14pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
freshboi88: Bros, why you dey deceive yourself and dodge the point. Genesis 49:3 Reuben,you are my firstborn.. the beginning of my procreative strength" ("the beginning of creation " Rev3:14, is Reuben the Originator of the Father's procreation strength?) Rev 3:14 Jesus. " the beginning of the creation of God" Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made..." Col 1:15 , Jesus "the firstborn of every creature" What is the point here? Revelation 3:14 " the beginning of the creation of God Or: Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made...' Rev 3:14 and Mark 13:19, both expressions MEAN the same thing= the first creation by God. (and Genesis 49:3) "the beginning of my procreative strength" gives SOLID PROOF that Freshboi88 claim for Revelation 3:14 "the Source the Originator is FRAUD. I ask you again, Bros: Based on your claim for Rev 3:14 , In Gen 49:3, (Deut 21:17) Is Reuben the Source /Originator of the Father's procreation strength? Reply is vital to this discussion. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 5:21pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Rozz: Please who is speaking to you in Revelation 3:5,11,12 &21. John 14:28 and John 20:17? Do you wholeheartedly believe what he says? |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Myer(m): 5:29pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: What do you know about the fruit of the spirit? You think it's by head knowledge? One thing i can assure you is that you like the pharisees have studied the bible, but instead of it to make you humble it made you proud, made you self-righteous. Made you full of hatred for everyone that's not a JW like you. I can imagine how years of indoctrination has done this to you. It has truly blinded you. You're no different from an extremist muslim. I guess we should thank God JW recruited you before ISIS. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 5:37pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
freshboi88: Bros, I don't mean to insult you. I apologize if you find it that way. Please,no vex. I will respond to your questions here. But let me know your views on this: In John 1:1, "the Word was with TOV Theon (the God)" Is "the Word" a person? Please respond,then we move forward. Shalom |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 6:05pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Myer: Well perhaps it's because i'm one of the dedicated followers of the guy from Nazareth who publicly denied his own mother and brothers simply because they're not ready to accept his line of thought! Matthew 12:46-49 When Jesus was here on earth, his ideas hurt many people who aren't obedient or those who hate orderliness! I was a Muslim and a soldier but i knew there is God, but who are his true worshipers? During a bloody battle between two armies, my colleague and i took a telescope to see what's happening in the opposing camps, we saw soldiers praying before the faceoff, both side were praying. From that very day i couldn't stop thinking about what i saw, if both sides are praying whose side will God be? Only Jehovah's Witnesses answered that thought provoking question for me, they claim they are soldiers of Christ but they don't make use of weapons, so i continue studying the Bible with them, that's what made me one of Jehovah's Witnesses today! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 6:11pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Janosky: The Word is a Spirit Being not a person. The source, origin and beginning of God's creation |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 6:20pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Janosky: I said comparing Reuben to Jesus is an insult to God.....first Reuben is born of man and not of the Holy Spirit. Secondly Jesus gave Reuben life....cos nothing was created without him so there's no basis for comparison Y are u dodging my question, if Nothing was made with out Jesus....doesn't it mean that Jesus cannot be created without Jesus. I have told u that the beginning of God's creation which u hold onto like slice bread is not definitive, u r only giving it Ur own interpretation. I have told u, that he been the beginning means that he is the source and the originator. And I provide proof in John 1:3 John 1:3 Nothing was made without him. So does it mean that Jesus was created through Jesus?.....Ansa this question |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 6:39pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
freshboi88: Only begotten son simply means the only creature DIRECTLY created by God! John 3:16 Proverbs 8:22 And God himself said "I will raise for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you (Moses) and i will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that i command him" Deuteronomy 18:18-19 compare to Act 3:22-23 So God compared Moses to Jesus Sir! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 7:00pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: John 3:16 has no correlation with what you are saying. So does proverbs 8:22. You are given those verses Ur own interpretation. Now John 1:3 God created [b]everything[/b]through him, and [b]nothing[/b]was created except through him. Scripture says God created everything through Jesus and Nothing was created except through him. Ask yourself what does everything mean? What bout Nothing?.....How come u are now saying there is one thing God created alone....are u not contradicting the everything stated in scripture? So if Jesus was created, it means Jesus was created through Jesus |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 7:43pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
freshboi88: I know the TRINITY doctrine will blur your senses! The everything includes Jesus himself shey? Well you gave your own interpretation and i gave mine, only begotten son means the one and only creature DIRECTLY created by God, apart from him nothing was made because Jesus is the first born meaning the first creature! Colossians 1:15-16 That's why God's word often separate Jehovah from everything under the control of Jesus! 1Corinthians 15:27-28 Sorry my guy, Jehovah's Witnesses are too much for common Churchgoers like you to disgrace as you think! Isaiah 54:17 Present the achievements of Trinity doctrine just as i've presented that of Jesus (Michael) after all Jesus himself said "Evil tree will not produce fine fruit, neither can good tree bear routine fruits" Matthew 7:16-18 So let's see the benefits of Trinity Jesus in the midst of trinitarians! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 8:28pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: I didn't give an interpretation I quoted scripture for you John 1:3 "God created everything through Jesus, without him nothing was made." This is not my interpretation, it's scripture Does Jesus belong to the Everything referred to in John 1:3? |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:28pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Myer: At least he is able to discern that the fruit is what Paul listed in the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23 And he is able to apply it to what he is seeing amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! I think that's commendable! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:30pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
freshboi88: Why not explain what (the only begotten son) means? |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:35pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
TATIME: Leave him joh! He wants to quote the Bible in support of his religion forgetting that even Muslims, Buddhists even Traditionalists will quote a passage to support what they believe. But what will they fail to do? Work in harmony with what they're quoting to derive benefits for all dedicated members of their group! Isaiah 48:17-18 |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 8:50pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
TATIME: Only begotten son simple refers to the uniqueness of Jesus, as the only one who shares the same Nature and Essence as The Father. In a clearer term, pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John highlights Jesus as uniquely God’s Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God’s sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son. So do you get the picture it has nothing to do with been created. I have explained, your turm John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and Nothing was created without him So according to Jehovah Witness Teaching, Jesus was created through Jesus 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Xtvafrica: 9:02pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
African Pastors That Can Raise The Dead - When Will They Start Using Their Powers on Corona Virus victims? Everywhere you go across Africa, there always seem to be a messiah who is capable of performing some incredible miracles, from curing the blind, healing the sick to raising the dead. When will these men start using their healing powers on Corona Virus victims? Why is the lack of standard hospitals across Africa still a problem in the midst of these powerful men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTFf6frgtBY |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 9:09pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
freshboi88: Your case is just like a student convincing himself that he's formula is excellent but not applicable anywhere, unable to solve the problems! 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 9:17pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
TATIME: Not even one single problem! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:27pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Mr Maximus69 Calm down and don't overwork yourself. The journey is still far, it is not a sprint race, so don't burn out early. We will both be here for long. By the way, I said "hope you will be ready to provide answers if you are questioned" because you have showed overtime here to avoid explaining scriptures you use howbeit, out of context or application. Hence depriving the verses of its true inspiration. I don't think I have asked for much for you to get worked up and display inherent but common wrong attitude among those who avoid being questioned on their doctrine. It will be good if you start working on such inherent outbursts. It can't help much far. I have told you emotions can show seal but don't translate to rightness or correctness of doctrine. And it is also sad how much you have tried to push words that aren't mine into my post context. That's lack of sincerity and honesty. You have kept mentioning your organization and I can't see anywhere I spoke against your organization irrespective of what they believe. You are the one who is here discussing scriptures and I have consistently questioned your motives for scripture manipulation. And your response has been emotional and sentimental. Why not face the facts of scriptures you quote or avoid quoting. It is sad that I can't ignore deliberate manipulation of verses without having to question you. I will be a bad student of the word if I do such. So sheath your sword, and let your pen speaks as you have been using it to lift scriptures out of its inspired meaning, you should be able to use same to defend your intentions. No personal issues, just the Word. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 9:35pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
TATIME: Y dont u answer my question oga. If doctrine has blinded you so much, u can't understand anything nymore. Let's take it one step at a time Is Jesus part of God's creature? 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:36pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Adakintroy2: If the truth can be some up in few sentences, God wouldn't have written 66 books spanning over 1000 years. If God used 66 books to communicate the truth, who am I to use few sentences. But when you start to find the inspired intention of the authors without adding personal revelation, then there lies the truth. As a text of the scriptures will not mean today, what it never meant when the author was inspired to write it. Hence, the singular truth is to find out the inspired intent of the author not our own interpretation and the foundation of interpreting any writing put together is that it must be contextual. Even if we don't know anything, we shouldn't lose sight of context in interpretation. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 9:37pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Who is talking bout solving problems here. Jesus has solved all my problems already. Now is Jesus part of God's creature? |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 9:38pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
hupernikao: Before Christ God's people have to struggle arguing with unbelievers about who knows the truth. But today the result is here, so God's Holy Spirit is defending the Bible! The fruit is here now, so just present the fruit and allow observers to see for themselves! You said i quote God's word out of context, of course that's what the Pharisees and Saddusees were saying about Jesus and his disciples. But there is no need for arguments today, go out and make disciples the way Jehovah's Witnesses have done, let people see the result of your teachings in the way and manner adherents of your teachings comport themselves! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 9:41pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
freshboi88: Keep asking and you will receive! Matthew 7:7 |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:41pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Well you are showing the same trait as his earlier life, and I am sure you will reach the later stage as he did sooner or later. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:42pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Ensure you hold to the result and stop quoting out of context, that can safe you well. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by freshboi88: 9:45pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Tis dude has been decimated. I noticed u avoided me. God created Jesus through Jesus Religion. You can't answer because u have no answer to that. I have exposed the lie in Jwit Jesus Creation story. All u need to do now is run to Ur elder on d kingdom hall, to come and answer the question |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Adakintroy2: 9:47pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
hupernikao: He who loves have fulfill all the scriptures. That's what you should have said. Now abide faith hope and love but the greatest is love. If their be knowledge they will cease. But love never fail. This are your line of thoughts. You don't need to |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 9:50pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
hupernikao: Not even you and all your cohorts can stop us from helping honest hearted and sincere people to see how God's word is undergoing fulfilment in our time! When the Christians received God's holy spirit, Peter boldly quoted the scriptures to help honest hearted observers! Act 2:14-21 But your ancestors the Pharisees were furious at the result of God's holy spirit, they were ordering them not to apply it to their group! Act 5:28 So not even you and all your cohorts can stop us from telling people what we've heard, seen and experienced in the midst of God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses)! Act 5:29-32 |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:51pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Ensure you hold to the result and stop quoting out of context, maybe that can save you well. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:52pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: You will have to calm down and buckle up o. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:55pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
Adakintroy2: Bro, I have asked you and please answer now. Does the bible teaches we ignore and embrace those who teaches wrong/false doctrine? Just show me where. If a so called Christian rise tomorrow and say Jesus never resurrected, where will your love be defined in this. In overlooking and accepting or in rebuking him. |
(1) (2) (3) ... (8) (9) (10) (11) (12) (13) (14) (Reply)
Rccg Sunday School Manual(23/07/2017) Rapture: Purpose And Qualification / Six Ways To Obtain Wisdom From God / Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Says The Bible Does Not Say Anything About Tattoos False
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 115 |