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Why We Do Not Support Cross Breeding. by phunkypalace(m): 8:17am On Apr 16, 2020
WHY WE DO NOT SUPPORT CROSS BREEDING.

This thread was supposed to have been shared a long time ago but there haven't been enough time and chance to put up a thread like this let alone focusing on this special topic.

Some folks on Twitter asked us to explain why it is bad to cross breed dogs and we are glad to observe that over the past few months some set of persons are actually interested in embracing responsible breeding and that is why such a question was asked.

The major excuse why people cross breed dogs is to tell you they are actually trying to create a new breed. Why this is infact a major and welcomed development from anyone that is honest enough, it is also a disaster waiting to happen from the ones filled with dishonesty who are solely in this field for profit and profit only.

Creating a breed is no child's play as it takes several years which in fact is closed to approximately 20 to 30 years before a breed can be said to be created, developed and perfected. After perfection comes recognition and registration from the separate breed clubs and the FCI. But we can boldly tell you nobody in Nigeria is actually ready to face the challenges and then especially the patience that comes with this process.

A case study of the German Shepherd Dog....In the 1890s, Max von Stephanitz was primarily interested in improving the German shepherding dogs because they were local and were the working dogs of his time. Stephanitz enjoyed attending dog shows and observed that there were many different types of shepherding dogs in use in Germany but there was no breed standardisation. He greatly admired those dogs with a wolf-like appearance and prick ears who also were intelligent, had sharp senses and willingness to work and believed that he could create a better working dog that could then be used throughout Germany.

Max Von Stephanitz had a special goal which was to create a working dog. He knew the specifications he needed to achieve this and he went after specific traits which were dogs:

a wolf-like appearance and prick ears,
who also were intelligent, had sharp senses
and willingness to work.

He didn't just wake up one day to breed a mastiff to a hound, to breed a Lhasa to a Doberman because he knew what he wanted. Now in this present age, only few people are ready to achieve this long term goal in the canine world and we are so sure non exist in this part of the world and that's because majority are after the money and this has created a whole lot of adulterated dogs in the canine community.

Max bought his first dog named Hektor Linksrhein in 1899 and changed his name to Horand von Grafrath. Horand was used as the primary breeding stud by Stephanitz and other breeders and is the foundation of the German Shepherd breed as we know it. The English Kennel Club honoured the breed with it's own register in 1919 which is exactly 20 years after Horand was gotten.

During those years, Max culled some dogs as a result of unbalanced temperament, he removed some who were not showing willingness to work which is the major reason he was trying to develop that special breed, Max never sold any of these dogs to innocent people but he only gave them to breeders who were aligned with his goal and also retained a lot of them because he needed to keep records of the gene pool. There were dogs that were shot and killed because they became a monster and they were not going to fit in, they won't tell us that but we are very sure that happened.

But in this part of the world someone wakes up one day and breeds a German Shepherd to a Lhasa, they breed a Caucasian to a Rottweiler and sell off all the offspring into new homes without retaining any. That is a disaster waiting to happen especially for first time dog owners. They sell these dogs without considering the difficulty in predicting the temperament of these dogs, they sell off the puppies without considering the possibility of congenital health issues.

You ask them what they are trying to achieve with such result and they come up with the flimsy excuse that all dogs were created as a result of cross breeding. While this might be true in some cases, we can as well say it is still a lie because only few dogs were created from cross breeding and some of them have not been recognized fully as a breed. It might come as a surprise to some people that with the popularity of the Boerboel breed, it has not yet been recognized by the FCI and even not recognized by some Kennel Clubs in the world.

So basically we do not support cross breeding because:

1. Each and every breed has it's own purpose. The sole reason why a German Shepherd was bred is different from why an American Pitbull Terrier was bred. It doesn't make any sense cross breeding a working dog to a game dog which was solely bred for dog fighting. What do you expect from the offspring?

2. Destruction of bloodlines.

Since a German Shepherd is known to be a working dog, breeders do everything in their power to breed and uphold that standard so the bloodline of working dogs can be preserved, same goes for the Norman bloodline of the APBT which is generally preserved as a game dog. Once you breed these two together, both bloodline gets destroyed automatically because an irresponsible breeder has just shattered the works of several breeders from years back from a single breeding. That means they have to start all over again.

3. Congenital health issues.
Many congenital health issues, such as hip dysplasia, eye diseases, epilepsy and kidney disease, are found across multiple breeds. This means these conditions are still likely to show up in crossbred puppies if both parents are carriers of one or more of the same genetic problems.

If you are going to be a BREEDER, please be a responsible one and not a MILLER. At the same time make sure you do not turn blind eyes to errors in your breeding programme. We call that Kennel Blindness.

Thank you for reading.

For further enquiries, please do not hesitate to reach out on any of our platform, I'll be more than willing to help.

Twitter: @ignite_GSD
Instagram: @ignitegsd
Facebook: @ignitegsd
Tel/Whatsapp: +2348062682135

You will always be proud of your dog.

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Re: Why We Do Not Support Cross Breeding. by Gabrokpara001(m): 9:33am On Apr 16, 2020
phunkypalace:
WHY WE DO NOT SUPPORT CROSS BREEDING.

This thread was supposed to have been shared a long time ago but there haven't been enough time and chance to put up a thread like this let alone focusing on this special topic.

Some folks on Twitter asked us to explain why it is bad to cross breed dogs and we are glad to observe that over the past few months some set of persons are actually interested in embracing responsible breeding and that is why such a question was asked.

The major excuse why people cross breed dogs is to tell you they are actually trying to create a new breed. Why this is infact a major and welcomed development from anyone that is honest enough, it is also a disaster waiting to happen from the ones filled with dishonesty who are solely in this field for profit and profit only.

Creating a breed is no child's play as it takes several years which in fact is closed to approximately 20 to 30 years before a breed can be said to be created, developed and perfected. After perfection comes recognition and registration from the separate breed clubs and the FCI. But we can boldly tell you nobody in Nigeria is actually ready to face the challenges and then especially the patience that comes with this process.

A case study of the German Shepherd Dog....In the 1890s, Max von Stephanitz was primarily interested in improving the German shepherding dogs because they were local and were the working dogs of his time. Stephanitz enjoyed attending dog shows and observed that there were many different types of shepherding dogs in use in Germany but there was no breed standardisation. He greatly admired those dogs with a wolf-like appearance and prick ears who also were intelligent, had sharp senses and willingness to work and believed that he could create a better working dog that could then be used throughout Germany.

Max Von Stephanitz had a special goal which was to create a working dog. He knew the specifications he needed to achieve this and he went after specific traits which were dogs:

a wolf-like appearance and prick ears,
who also were intelligent, had sharp senses
and willingness to work.

He didn't just wake up one day to breed a mastiff to a hound, to breed a Lhasa to a Doberman because he knew what he wanted. Now in this present age, only few people are ready to achieve this long term goal in the canine world and we are so sure non exist in this part of the world and that's because majority are after the money and this has created a whole lot of adulterated dogs in the canine community.

Max bought his first dog named Hektor Linksrhein in 1899 and changed his name to Horand von Grafrath. Horand was used as the primary breeding stud by Stephanitz and other breeders and is the foundation of the German Shepherd breed as we know it. The English Kennel Club honoured the breed with it's own register in 1919 which is exactly 20 years after Horand was gotten.

During those years, Max culled some dogs as a result of unbalanced temperament, he removed some who were not showing willingness to work which is the major reason he was trying to develop that special breed, Max never sold any of these dogs to innocent people but he only gave them to breeders who were aligned with his goal and also retained a lot of them because he needed to keep records of the gene pool. There were dogs that were shot and killed because they became a monster and they were not going to fit in, they won't tell us that but we are very sure that happened.

But in this part of the world someone wakes up one day and breeds a German Shepherd to a Lhasa, they breed a Caucasian to a Rottweiler and sell off all the offspring into new homes without retaining any. That is a disaster waiting to happen especially for first time dog owners. They sell these dogs without considering the difficulty in predicting the temperament of these dogs, they sell off the puppies without considering the possibility of congenital health issues.

You ask them what they are trying to achieve with such result and they come up with the flimsy excuse that all dogs were created as a result of cross breeding. While this might be true in some cases, we can as well say it is still a lie because only few dogs were created from cross breeding and some of them have not been recognized fully as a breed. It might come as a surprise to some people that with the popularity of the Boerboel breed, it has not yet been recognized by the FCI and even not recognized by some Kennel Clubs in the world.

So basically we do not support cross breeding because:

1. Each and every breed has it's own purpose. The sole reason why a German Shepherd was bred is different from why an American Pitbull Terrier was bred. It doesn't make any sense cross breeding a working dog to a game dog which was solely bred for dog fighting. What do you expect from the offspring?

2. Destruction of bloodlines.

Since a German Shepherd is known to be a working dog, breeders do everything in their power to breed and uphold that standard so the bloodline of working dogs can be preserved, same goes for the Norman bloodline of the APBT which is generally preserved as a game dog. Once you breed these two together, both bloodline gets destroyed automatically because an irresponsible breeder has just shattered the works of several breeders from years back from a single breeding. That means they have to start all over again.

3. Congenital health issues.
Many congenital health issues, such as hip dysplasia, eye diseases, epilepsy and kidney disease, are found across multiple breeds. This means these conditions are still likely to show up in crossbred puppies if both parents are carriers of one or more of the same genetic problems.

If you are going to be a BREEDER, please be a responsible one and not a MILLER. At the same time make sure you do not turn blind eyes to errors in your breeding programme. We call that Kennel Blindness.

Thank you for reading.

For further enquiries, please do not hesitate to reach out on any of our platform, I'll be more than willing to help.

Twitter: @ignite_GSD
Instagram: @ignitegsd
Facebook: @ignitegsd
Tel/Whatsapp: +2348062682135

You will always be proud of your dog.

Nice write up. This is a very sensitive topic I believe only mature minds can participate in. Your opinion about lack of willing breeders in Nigeria to actually work together to come up with a reputable breed is correct, but then what makes a breeder? In Nigeria here once one owns two dogs of the same breed they automatically term themselves a "BREEDER" please there is a different between being a breeder and a dog owner.

Now into this cross breeding topic there exist a difference between controlled breeding ( Someone who is truly a breeder will know this) this is what SA used in coming up with the boerboels that is now a very popular breed and it has been recognized by the most popular dog registry the AKC in 2015. Yes before AKC moved to recognize the breed BB were termed mutts, halfbreeds and other names but today you ll see some one here on NL posting " Buy your purebred boerboel puppies". It makes you wonder the definition of purebred because evidently boerboels are a cross of local SA dogs and mastiff type dog from EU same goes to all "PUREBRED" dogs today..now don't get me wrong we re still bordering round "controlled breeding"...You cited health issues as one of the reasons you re against cross breeding..have you ever wondered why local dogs re seemingly more healthy than our vaccinated and well feed "purebreds"? The answer= extensive Gene pools ..... mother nature didn't create dogs so humans ll start classifying some as purebred and crossbred...genes were suppose to be extensive to keep up with evolution and create more healthy dogs...now the genepool of "purebreds" is narrow and can even be said to be inbreeding that's why the pups are predictive in nature because the possibility of extension in the Gene has been eliminated thus narrowing down the known traits and subsequently known health issues.in humans this happens when nobody marries outside the family blood,you keep getting kids that look like the generations before but the downside is health issues...This is why local dogs ll hardly die of parvovirus because you cant even trace how many number of species make up the genepool some ll say basenji, mongrel,Africans, and so on.

Now where do I stand? Like I said it's a sensitive topic..in other to please human ego of mindling with how mother nature intended for things to be one can say "purebreds'" should be preserved...but don't eliminate the possibility of coming up with much improved breeds because I can bet you years from now more '" purebreds"' will spring up as a result of cross breeding and will be registered my best bet is the mast-weiler which is growing in popularity just like the BB did.

I challenge whoever claims to be a " Breeder" here in Nigeria to mirror what the south africans did and come up with our own indigenous "Nigerian mastiffs" for once let's think outside the box and stop being myopic....My 10 cents please you re entitled to your opinion as i am entitled to mine..no insults

Read up on the mast-weiler

https://www.dogbreedplus.com/dog_breeds/mastweiler.php

https://wagwalking.com/breed/english-mastweiler

https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/e/englishmastweiler.htm

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Re: Why We Do Not Support Cross Breeding. by BamBamK: 8:24pm On Apr 16, 2020
the mast-weiler is starting to grow in popularity n appeal...

just the instability in temperament gives me chills

Gabrokpara001:


Nice write up. This is a very sensitive topic I believe only mature minds can participate in. Your opinion about lack of willing breeders in Nigeria to actually work together to come up with a reputable breed is correct, but then what makes a breeder? In Nigeria here once one owns two dogs of the same breed they automatically term themselves a "BREEDER" please there is a different between being a breeder and a dog owner.

Now into this cross breeding topic there exist a difference between controlled breeding ( Someone who is truly a breeder will know this) this is what SA used in coming up with the boerboels that is now a very popular breed and it has been recognized by the most popular dog registry the AKC in 2015. Yes before AKC moved to recognize the breed BB were termed mutts, halfbreeds and other names but today you ll see some one here on NL posting " Buy your purebred boerboel puppies". It makes you wonder the definition of purebred because evidently boerboels are a cross of local SA dogs and mastiff type dog from EU same goes to all "PUREBRED" dogs today..now don't get me wrong we re still bordering round "controlled breeding"...You cited health issues as one of the reasons you re against cross breeding..have you ever wondered why local dogs re seemingly more healthy than our vaccinated and well feed "purebreds"? The answer= extensive Gene pools ..... mother nature didn't create dogs so humans ll start classifying some as purebred and crossbred...genes were suppose to be extensive to keep up with evolution and create more healthy dogs...now the genepool of "purebreds" is narrow and can even be said to be inbreeding that's why the pups are predictive in nature because the possibility of extension in the Gene has been eliminated thus narrowing down the known traits and subsequently known health issues.in humans this happens when nobody marries outside the family blood,you keep getting kids that look like the generations before but the downside is health issues...This is why local dogs ll hardly die of parvovirus because you cant even trace how many number of species make up the genepool some ll say basenji, mongrel,Africans, and so on.

Now where do I stand? Like I said it's a sensitive topic..in other to please human ego of mindling with how mother nature intended for things to be one can say "purebreds'" should be preserved...but don't eliminate the possibility of coming up with much improved breeds because I can bet you years from now more '" purebreds"' will spring up as a result of cross breeding and will be registered my best bet is the mast-weiler which is growing in popularity just like the BB did.

I challenge whoever claims to be a " Breeder" here in Nigeria to mirror what the south africans did and come up with our own indigenous "Nigerian mastiffs" for once let's think outside the box and stop being myopic....My 10 cents please you re entitled to your opinion as i am entitled to mine..no insults

Read up on the mast-weiler

https://www.dogbreedplus.com/dog_breeds/mastweiler.php

https://wagwalking.com/breed/english-mastweiler

https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/e/englishmastweiler.htm
Re: Why We Do Not Support Cross Breeding. by Gabrokpara001(m): 8:42pm On Apr 16, 2020
BamBamK:
the mast-weiler is starting to grow in popularity n appeal...

just the instability in temperament gives me chills


Yes they have overprotective aggression and very dominant...just like the rott but with proper training they re excellent guard dogs
Re: Why We Do Not Support Cross Breeding. by BamBamK: 2:29pm On Apr 17, 2020
that proper training gan gan na issh

Gabrokpara001:


Yes they have overprotective aggression and very dominant...just like the rott but with proper training they re excellent guard dogs

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