kingzizzy:


I dont want to dwell on Adaka Boro, the man wanted to take his Ijaw ethnic group out Nigeria, thats his business. Im not Ijaw.

In terms of secession in Nigeria. I still hold that Nigeria was the creation of the British. Like any marriage, either spouse can seek divorce and leave at any time. I do not know anyone in the world who supports 'forced marriage'. Any of the ethnic groups who were forced into Lugard colonial project reserve the right to opt out at any time, either individually or collectively.

In the case of marriage, this is a union of two people who mutually agreed and signed a legal document to be together, yet they have right of divorce.

In the case of Nigeria, nobody agreed to come together, nobody agreed to be a 'Nigerian' and nobody ever willingly gave up their sovereignty. Constitutional conferences held since the 50's up until the recent one held in 2014 were all about establishing the parameters of being together. There has never been any formal agreement where the various ethnic groups formally came together and willingly agreed to give up their sovereignty and name to Nigeria.

Because of this, Nigeria still remains a colonial figment that has no legitimacy same as it had no legitimacy when Lugard created it in 1914.

A sovereign National conference or a referendum is long over due.

Saying that the constitution does not recognise secession or referendum is irrelevant. The sovereignty of the people is more important than the constitution.

The question to be asked is, did those currently agitating to secede from Nigeria enter at any time, any formal agreement to give up their sovereignty and become Nigerians? If yes, when and where did this happen?

If no, then Nigeria is holding them captive and Ojukwu was right to secede with his people.

In marriages where divorce is permitted, the rules and procedure for divorce are spelt out from the beginning and not after the wedding has been done and the marriage in force. In the case of Nigeria all other tribes wanted the allowance, terms and procedures for divorce to be spelt out and agreed upon as binding before wedding ceremony came on October 1 1960, but Igbos refused and insisted that they were sure the marriage was going be blissful despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary, thus they did not allow us agree to divorce in case of failure of the marriage. So the marriage was contracted with the agreement that none of the partners must later mention divorce in future. As if that was not bad enough the same Igbos, six years later, added a new law that the mention of divorce was punishable by death. But just a year later the same Igbos who insisted that it was all going to be a bed of roses and therefore prevented the inclusion of divorce and it's procedure in the agreement began asking for divorce, and rather than first apologizing for having misled and deceived others with their initial false hopes followed by a passionate plea that the agreement be reviewed to include divorce by consent, they chose to just bamboozle everyone again into accepting their new thought. That was arrogance which no one tolerates.
Are we at the mercy of their whims and caprices? Do they have the monopoly of tossing others around?
The point being made is not that a union is indissoluble but that as of now in Nigeria it is practically impossible for any tribe to get out either through constitutional review or even violently due to the elitist stranglehold on the polity for their own personal interest. And that the Igbos who laid the foundation for this difficulty in getting out are the very ones pointing accusing fingers.
How on earth did a people believe that a country of over 400 tribes with different and sometimes antagonizing cultures would be a bed of roses? Funny enough they were led into that belief by an anthropologist who should have known better by virtue of his profession.

PhysicsMHD:




lol, what?


Most of this speech sounds not merely wrong, but nearly comical. I have no doubt this bizarre speech played no part in their decision to stay.

Here are some better reasons:


“This New Nation called Nigeria, should be an estate of our great grandfather, Uthman Dan Fodio. We must ruthlessly prevent a change of power. We use the minorities in the North as willing tools, and the South, as conquered territory and never allow them to rule over us, and never allow them to have control over their future.” ---Sir Ahmadu Bello, Sardauna of Sokoto in THE PARROT of October 12, 1960



“The conquest to the sea is now in sight. When our god-sent Ahmadu Bello said some years ago that our conquest will reach the sea shores of Nigeria, some idiots in the South were doubting its possibilities. Today have we not reached the sea? Lagos is reached. It remains Port-Harcourt. It must be conquered and taken.” --- Mallam Bala Garuba in WEST AFRICAN PILOT, December 30, 1964.


^^^^

someone verify the authenticity of these quotes. West African Pilot, for example was probably biased but I doubt these statements would have been fabricated out of nowhere, especially the first one, which was in 1960, before open dissent and antagonism. . .

''...which was in 1960, before open dissent and antagonism. . .''? Open dissent and antagonism between the 3 principal regions in nigeria started way back since the time Lugard put the 3 together to make one. I urged you to read more the autobiography of people like Awolowo, Sardauna, and Zik especially, the key actors from the 3 principal regions.
Even this accusation you have put forward here against the north has at a time come from other 2 regions. It's just like the issue of secession in question, every region has at a time threatened secession. Only the eastern region had attempted to make there own threat a really after few years of independence.

DocHMD:


But you support the launching of military warheads in yorubaland (lagos) to kill Biafra Women and Children before Ore?

So Ojukwu should have folded his arms and continue to allow bombs and mortars come in from yorubaland to kill his people unchallenged. The Biafran march to lagos was legitimate, it may have failed but it remains legitimate.

No. Actually, all Igbos who were in Lagos during the war were more than protected by Yorubas; go and read history.
Rather, it was Biafra that first blew us Casino Cinema at Yaba- killing dozens of innocent civilians. To me, trying to march into Yoruba land was the nadir of the Biafran armies. Had it been they tried to attack -in an isolated manner- Gowon or whoever, it would have been treated at such. But, they had the temerity to attempt to march through a Yoruba land and with such arrogance as you're putting up here for justification shows well that the Yorubas were very very right in using all possible means to stop the senseless war and castrate a generation of your kinds that would have been glad if they were being considerate with them.
Write this down today, if we find ourselves in such position again, we will use the same method again especially a set of people who doesn't know how to appreciate the magnanimity of others! Write it down again; if you provoke a war, we would NEVER EVER be magnanimous to your senselessness and if you try poo in our terrain, we'd be more over-reaching than Awo was. Sorry, blackmails don't work with us.

Olabestonic001:


No. Actually, all Igbos who were in Lagos during the war were more than protected by Yorubas; go and read history.
Rather, it was Biafra that first blew us Casino Cinema at Yaba- killing dozens of innocent civilians. To me, trying to march into Yoruba land was the nadir of the Biafran armies. Had it been they tried to attack -in an isolated manner- Gowon or whoever, it would have been treated at such. But, they had the temerity to attempt to march through a Yoruba land and with such arrogance as you're putting up here for justification shows well that the Yorubas were very very right in using all possible means to stop the senseless war and castrate a generation of your kinds that would have been glad if they were being considerate with them.
Write this down today, if we find ourselves in such position again, we will use the same method again especially a set of people who doesn't know how to appreciate the magnanimity of others! Write it down again; if you provoke a war, we would NEVER EVER be magnanimous to your senselessness and if you try poo in our terrain, we'd be more over-reaching than Awo was. Sorry, blackmails don't work with us.

You are being dishonest to yourself and it's a tragedy against your very self. We both know the FIRST SHOT of the war was fired against Biafra by Lt Walbe (if my memory stands with me) on the orders of Lagos HQ. That shot resulted in ore invasion and other Biafran agression against lagos in order to defend themselves.

You cannot habour a sniper in your house to kill people in my compound and expect me not to invade your house in defense if you can not deal with that sniper.

This is the pure truth, and it is duty of all good men and women to protect this historical facts from revisionists like you.

DocHMD:


You are being dishonest to yourself and it's a tragedy against your very self. We both know the FIRST SHOT of the war was fired against Biafra by Lt Walbe (if my memory stands with me) on the orders of Lagos HQ. That shot resulted in ore invasion and other Biafran agression against lagos in order to defend themselves.

You cannot habour a sniper in your house to kill people in my compound and expect me not to invade your house in defense if you can not deal with that sniper.

This is the pure truth, and it is duty of all good men and women to protect this historical facts from revisionists like you.

Your own version of truth! It is a Treason to try to secede from Nigeria. Nnamdi Azikwe ensured we put that in our constitution.
Now, why can't the Biafran soldiers organize a crack team to invade only the military HQ in Lagos? Or does it mean they must always turn everything to rough? Did USA begin to kill many Pakistanis so that she can kidnap/kill Osama Bin Laden? No. She sent a crack team to bring him down! If Ojukwu was that smart, why couldn't he have organize such a sophisticated crack team to take on the HQ? Why couldn't he have localized the fight on the HQ? Why attempt to cause the blood of the Yorubas to flow so that he can 'deal' with the HQ? Were you expecting them to spill Yorubas blood without a reply? Unless you want to be damned dishonest, Ojukwu led an aggression on a people and he was hit too hard that the psychology has never left till today. That's just the simple truth.
More so, his invasion was a follow-up to 'help invade Yoruba land' when her people were not witnessing a bloodbath. He was trying to say " well, since my people are fighting a bloody war, and you guys seems not to be fighting, I must kill some of you Yorubas so that you'll know that the war is real. Maybe if I do that, they'll understand my pains". That's what I can hear him saying as he approved the invasion of the Yoruba lands. To him, he opined that the Yorubas were weaklings who can be used as a pawn in his bloody war! Till date, most of you guys still have that very foolish notions. What you all don't know is that it's far easier to under-estimate the Yorubas because of their timid look but having an encounter with them can be too much to handle. That's where most of you guys are missing it.
Taking the Yorubas for a ride will always spell doom for anyone who does that.

Olabestonic001:



Your own version of truth! It is a Treason to try to secede from Nigeria. Nnamdi Azikwe ensured we put that in our constitution.
Now, why can't the Biafran soldiers organize a crack team to invade only the military HQ in Lagos? Or does it mean they must always turn everything to rough? Did USA begin to kill many Pakistanis so that she can kidnap/kill Osama Bin Laden? No. She sent a crack team to bring him down! If Ojukwu was that smart, why couldn't he have organize such a sophisticated crack team to take on the HQ? Why couldn't he have localized the fight on the HQ? Why attempt to cause the blood of the Yorubas to flow so that he can 'deal' with the HQ? Were you expecting them to spill Yorubas blood without a reply? Unless you want to be damned dishonest, Ojukwu led an aggression on a people and he was hit too hard that the psychology has never left till today. That's just the simple truth.
More so, his invasion was a follow-up to 'help invade Yoruba land' when her people were not witnessing a bloodbath. He was trying to say " well, since my people are fighting a bloody war, and you guys seems not to be fighting, I must kill some of you Yorubas so that you'll know that the war is real. Maybe if I do that, they'll understand my pains". That's what I can hear him saying as he approved the invasion of the Yoruba lands. To him, he opined that the Yorubas were weaklings who can be used as a pawn in his bloody war! Till date, most of you guys still have that very foolish notions. What you all don't know is that it's far easier to under-estimate the Yorubas because of their timid look but having an encounter with them can be too much to handle. That's where most of you guys are missing it.
Taking the Yorubas for a ride will always spell doom for anyone who does that.

The truth remains that you haboured killers in your compound which also made you culpable. Ojukwu was justified to have invaded. Simple!

If yorubas are all these things you say they are, they won't have emirates on their lands and would have chased the hausa vandals back to sokoto in 1966. They wouldn't have been beheaded by female warriors from dahomey. Strong people don't keep foreign emirate. Even the Igalas a minority have muslims but don't have Emirates.

If there is a any majority group that has bragging right it is the Igbos who have never been conquered by any Indigenous African group.

DocHMD:


The truth remains that you haboured killers in your compound which also made you culpable. Ojukwu was justified to have invaded. Simple!

If yorubas are all these things you say they are, they won't have emirates on their lands and would have chased the hausa vandals back to sokoto in 1966. They wouldn't have been beheaded by female warriors from dahomey. Strong people don't keep foreign emirate. Even the Igalas a minority have muslims but don't have Emirates.

If there is a any majority group that has bragging right it is the Igbos who have never been conquered by any Indigenous African group.

Yes. And they were so weak that they roundly and soundly reduce the egos of you guys!
What do you even know about conquests? You mean all those village square battles, right? All those hamlets facing each other, ba? Those are not wars! Never! Igbos have fought only 2 wars all their lives- Aba women riots and the Civil war- and they lost both. Otherwise, tell me which war (s) you've ever fought apart from those. Kindly, don't mention battles- mention wars.
Again, its foolish to even mention Ilorin (a place of grinding metal) was ever conquered. Its one of such foolish rants by you lost low-self esteem tribe. The Ilorin people decided to embrace Alimi and his goons due to oppression from the Oyo empire; nothing more.
And, you can never discard the facts that your forbears thought they were 'something' in the art of war till the Yorubas used one of her smallest trick in her war archive to reduce your Biafra to rubble. Till tomorrow, you and your people still fear our dexterity at war and are always wishing us evil. But, evil will always go back to those who wished it even as it went on Ojukwu and his goons who thought they could push the war on us but ended up sacrificing his dear people for lacking understanding of excusing us from his madness. Kanu also wished evil on us but he is now in a cage and he has sacrificed more than 50 of his co-evil wishers.
Guy, be warned that to wish, conjure, imagine or plan evil on the Yoruba race will always boomerang! We are those whom GOD has blessed and those who wished us evil will always pay with their blood. We don't wish Igbo evil but we know they wished us evil always by their utterances. They wished we should loose 3 Million people too (despite that being an off-shoot of their folly). But, the more you wish us evil, the more shall we escape it and the more shall you fall into your scheming. Till Igbo nation stop wishing Yoruba evil (as you all have been showing), Igbo nation will NEVER be free! It shall continue to wallow in the pains of demonic scheming.

Olabestonic001:



Yes. And they were so weak that they roundly and soundly reduce the egos of you guys!
What do you even know about conquests? You mean all those village square battles, right? All those hamlets facing each other, ba? Those are not wars! Never! Igbos have fought only 2 wars all their lives- Aba women riots and the Civil war- and they lost both. Otherwise, tell me which war (s) you've ever fought apart from those. Kindly, don't mention battles- mention wars.
Again, its foolish to even mention Ilorin (a place of grinding metal) was ever conquered. Its one of such foolish rants by you lost low-self esteem tribe. The Ilorin people decided to embrace Alimi and his goons due to oppression from the Oyo empire; nothing more.
And, you can never discard the facts that your forbears thought they were 'something' in the art of war till the Yorubas used one of her smallest trick in her war archive to reduce your Biafra to rubble. Till tomorrow, you and your people still fear our dexterity at war and are always wishing us evil. But, evil will always go back to those who wished it even as it went on Ojukwu and his goons who thought they could push the war on us but ended up sacrificing his dear people for lacking understanding of excusing us from his madness. Kanu also wished evil on us but he is now in a cage and he has sacrificed more than 50 of his co-evil wishers.
Guy, be warned that to wish, conjure, imagine or plan evil on the Yoruba race will always boomerang! We are those whom GOD has blessed and those who wished us evil will always pay with their blood. We don't wish Igbo evil but we know they wished us evil always by their utterances. They wished we should loose 3 Million people too (despite that being an off-shoot of their folly). But, the more you wish us evil, the more shall we escape it and the more shall you fall into your scheming. Till Igbo nation stop wishing Yoruba evil (as you all have been showing), Igbo nation will NEVER be free! It shall continue to wallow in the pains of demonic scheming.

Your effusions have no bearing. Let me outline some factoids very clearly

1) yorubas can never claim victory over Igbos in the civil war. Historical facts have it that only the world powers can. British naval ships and Russian.fighter jets enforced the blockade on Biafra which led to the ceasefire. Not some ragtag ground fighters who were kidnapped on the streets and bustops of ojota and Ipaja by hausa soldiers and forced to the war fronts.

2.) That yoruba warriors were beheaded by ladies from dahomey.

3.) That Illorin, Offa are yoruba towns conquered and taken by the Fulani caliphate till today.

4). Igbos have fought wars Arochukwu, Ekumeku (the longest pre-colonial war against british on African soil).

5.) That Igbo seccesion (Igbos are free already, they live better than you do economically) from nigeria is not dependent on yorubas. They are not siamese twin. Just that those who stand on their way will be called out and challenged as usual, yoruba or otherwise.

6.) yoruba can NEVER secceed from nigeria sucessfully, their ports already belong to the north and they have enough muslims subservient to the north and ready to truncate any attempt to run away with Seaports and airport that belong to the north and built with proceeds from groundnuts other products not indigenous to yorubaland.

These are factoids you can only fight but they'll stand stubborn staring at us forever.

DocHMD:


Your effusions have no bearing. Let me outline some factoids very clearly

1) yorubas can never claim victory over Igbos in the civil war. Historical facts have it that only the world powers can. British naval ships and Russian.fighter jets enforced the blockade on Biafra which led to the ceasefire. Not some ragtag ground fighters who were kidnapped on the streets and bustops of ojota and Ipaja by hausa soldiers and forced to the war fronts.

2.) That yoruba warriors were beheaded by ladies from dahomey.

3.) That Illorin, Offa are yoruba towns conquered and taken by the Fulani caliphate till today.

4). Igbos have fought wars Arochukwu, Ekumeku (the longest pre-colonial war against british on African soil).

5.) That Igbo seccesion (Igbos are free already, they live better than you do economically) from nigeria is not dependent on yorubas. They are not siamese twin. Just that those who stand on their way will be called out and challenged as usual, yoruba or otherwise.

6.) yoruba can NEVER secceed from nigeria sucessfully, their ports already belong to the north and they have enough muslims subservient to the north and ready to truncate any attempt to run away with Seaports and airport that belong to the north and built with proceeds from groundnuts other products not indigenous to yorubaland.

These are factoids you can only fight but they'll stand stubborn staring at us forever.

Those are not facts but an IPOD conjecture!
What's Arochukwu war? Who knows that hamlet battle?
State facts and stop IPOD wild imagination.
Yorubas send you back from Ore. Advised (without any gun), the food blockade. We are your nightmare ALWAYS!

And then, The North had "Ground nuts Pyramids".

You have a toddler-level logical reasoning. There is no correlation between Awolowo anti-Biafra stance and Ojukwu's "involvement with Boro's protest which is wrongly branded secession

Deadlytruth:

Awolowo could not have trusted Ojukwu as per sincerity in fighting for secession because just 15 months before he declared his own secession he had thwarted and nearly killed Isaac Adaka Boro for the same "offence" of attempting to secede from Nigeria. And guess what! Ojukwu's sabotage of the Niger Delta Republic's secession was born out of his earlier belief in Zik's fraudulent One-Nigeria philosophy. Awolowo obviously reasoned that Ojukwu's crushing of Isaac Boro's NDR made him a disciple of Zik so his overnight metamorphosis into a secessionist was too sudden to be trusted as coming from a genuine conviction than a mere ego trip.

Wow, so I'm not alone in knowing this...yet when it's raised some people want to burst an artery

Good Luck to Nigerians!

Hmm

Uchek:
You have a toddler-level logical reasoning. There is no correlation between Awolowo anti-Biafra stance and Ojukwu's "involvement with Boro's protest which is wrongly branded secession

Look into the mirror.
It takes a logic toddler like yourself not to know the value of hindsight. So Awolowo should have discountenanced Ojukwu's hypocrisy provided by hindsight to just follow him sheepishly

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This is Azikiwe begging, threatening civil war and trying to convince the north not to secede from the Nigerian colony of Britain

They also begged the north to join an independent nigeria

Understand history before you begin to make noise about secession

Maybe because i'm not a fan of wars but anyday anytime,i will choose the man that ask for a secession through peaceful means than the one that pushed for war and in the end,ran away and the secession dream died a natural death.

I just don't get Nigerians....u choose Zik but will continue to insult a great leader he is....I have thought over n over about Zik n I realize that the guy is one of those who was different n wanted one Nigeria by all means possible...yet d unity he wanted is bin insulted by all