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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 3:12pm On May 21
Exmilitant:
if your lack of belief was induced by religion and its vagaries. I'll understand. But it is ingrained in every man to want to reverence a higher being.. One of my professors is a acclaimed atheist yet he pours libations and prays to Odin the one eyed god. (he is a seadog) how do you explain that?

Customs and traditions give us comfort. They allow us have some grounding for what we consider our place in the universe. They can be practically anything. If indeed your professor is an atheist then I will guess he is merely following the the tradition of the confraternity but has no belief in Odin as a god. I will also guess that he is not doing it out of reverence for a higher being since he doesn't believe in one.

On a general note, I can acknowledge that the idea of a higher being will appeal to us as an intuitive species because we grow up in a world where we have parents who look after us until we are self sufficient. Extending that idea to the universe is an intuitive leap that is not hard to come about. Yet when you do grow up and look around you find that the universe is indifferent to your existence. You can cry from morning till night for the sun to stop pounding you with heat, the sun will still rise the next morning to continue to pound you with unrelenting heat. So what did we do when we saw we could not placate universal forces with cries and sacrifices? We innovated and modified our environment. That is the realisation of every adult. Nobody is coming to give you breast to suck when you cry, you have to go out and work. Same here with our universe, there is no universal breast to suck, we are right now on our own and universe doesn't give a single damn about us. So pour your libations and sacrifice your sleep, your cries are going into an uncaring void. Instead wake up and take your fucking destiny into your own hands.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by sagenaija: 7:21pm On May 21
What Does the Death of Christians Tell Us About Islam?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXBTNDLz1II
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by Exmilitant(m): 7:36pm On May 21
Talking about the universe Lordreed, have you ever noticed the regularities in nature? Einsten called them reason incarnate. Flew wrote, 'the regularities are mathematically precise, universal and tied together'. How did nature come about so arranged and precise? there sure is an intelligent mind behind everything.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 8:51pm On May 21
Exmilitant:
Talking about the universe Lordreed, have you ever noticed the regularities in nature? Einsten called them reason incarnate. Flew wrote, 'the regularities are mathematically precise, universal and tied together'. How did nature come about so arranged and precise? there sure is an intelligent mind behind everything.

I don't accept the proposition that an intelligence is behind it. As far as we have investigated they follow the phyical laws of nature. when hydrogen and oxygen meet they combine to form water, there is no body instructing it to do so. They combine that way because the physical laws dictate what may or may not occur. If there was an intelligence as you propose would the intelligence be able to form water by combining the elements argon and oxygen instead?
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by Exmilitant(m): 5:44am On May 22
LordReed:


I don't accept the proposition that an intelligence is behind it. As far as we have investigated they follow the phyical laws of nature. when hydrogen and oxygen meet they combine to form water, there is no body instructing it to do so. They combine that way because the physical laws dictate what may or may not occur. If there was an intelligence as you propose would the intelligence be able to form water by combining the elements argon and oxygen instead?
Let me ask this well worned question: how did the universe/life come about?
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 9:49am On May 22
Exmilitant:
Let me ask this well worned question: how did the universe/life come about?

I asked you a question you didn't answer it.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by MrPRevailer(m): 11:08am On May 22
LordReed:


Atheism doesn't involve belief, it is a lack of belief in gods.

Is it until fire burns your bombom?

May God have mercy on you oo. Chia! sad

Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 11:26am On May 22
MrPRevailer:


Is it until fire burns your bombom?

May God have mercy on you oo. Chia! sad

LoL is it you that wants to burn my bum with fire?
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by AntiChristian: 11:33am On May 22
MrPRevailer:


Is it until fire burns your bombom?

May God have mercy on you oo. Chia! sad

Matthew 26:39
New International Version
Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed,

New Living Translation
He (Jesus) went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying,

English Standard Version
And going a little farther he (Jesus) fell on his face and prayed, saying,

Pray not to Jesus but only to whom Jesus prayed to!

Even Jesus remembers his God during distress
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by Exmilitant(m): 11:50am On May 22
LordReed:


I don't accept the proposition that an intelligence is behind it. As far as we have investigated they follow the phyical laws of nature. when hydrogen and oxygen meet they combine to form water, there is no body instructing it to do so. They combine that way because the physical laws dictate what may or may not occur. If there was an intelligence as you propose would the intelligence be able to form water by combining the elements argon and oxygen instead?
physical laws sir, has an intelligent mind behind it. You question is off the track since i was the first to mention the regularities in nature. I then acknowledge the fact that a designer must be behind such precise and perfect order in nature. Water contained oxygen and hydrogen. a brilliant mind has made it so- for sustainance of all life on earth. Don't turn the table around on me.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 1:07pm On May 22
Exmilitant:
physical laws sir, has an intelligent mind behind it. You question is off the track since i was the first to mention the regularities in nature. I then acknowledge the fact that a designer must be behind such precise and perfect order in nature. Water contained oxygen and hydrogen. a brilliant mind has made it so- for sustainance of all life on earth. Don't turn the table around on me.

Can this so called brilliant mind alter it so that water is now made of argon and oxygen is the simple question.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by Exmilitant(m): 1:14pm On May 22
LordReed:


Can this so called brilliant mind alter it so that water is now made of argon and oxygen is the simple question.
I CAN turn off my a/c if i feel like it is mine.. GOD sir, can...
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 1:24pm On May 22
Exmilitant:
I CAN turn off my a/c if i feel like it is mine.. GOD sir, can...

Have you witnessed such a thing happen?
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by Exmilitant(m): 1:53pm On May 22
LordReed:


Have you witnessed such a thing happen?
what are you getting at sir? God has so design the universe that everything knows its place and season. It was because of these perfection in the universe that learned men like, Newton, Einsten, Heisenberg and Flew acknowledged an intelligent designer. Argon mixed with oxygen will spell catastrophy for all life... Not part of GOD's plan. No i have never witnessed nor heard-tell anywhere.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 2:46pm On May 22
Exmilitant:
what are you getting at sir? God has so design the universe that everything knows its place and season. It was because of these perfection in the universe that learned men like, Newton, Einsten, Heisenberg and Flew acknowledged an intelligent designer. Argon mixed with oxygen will spell catastrophy for all life... Not part of GOD's plan. No i have never witnessed nor heard-tell anywhere.

So how do you know your intelligent designer can do it?
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 3:10pm On May 22
LordReed:


I can and will because the existence of a so called first cause is still entirely speculative and has no practical application.
False. An application can seen in the thousands of miracles that happen in churches and other places of Christian worship.



Even if you manage to succeed in convincing me that such a first cause exists, you are still left with showing me how you know what it wants or demands from me. In the event you cannot then the question becomes why should I care?
You shouldn't care. I think the question should be why do you care? You think about this God a lot for a Being who is nonexistent. What other nonexistent thing do you spend as much time and intellectual resources on

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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 3:29pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
False. An application can seen in the thousands of miracles that happen in churches and other places of Christian worship.

What is a miracle, can you give a definition so we can examine your claim?


You shouldn't care. I think the question should be why do you care? You think about this God a lot for a Being who is nonexistent. What other nonexistent thing do you spend as much time and intellectual resources on

I also think a lot about the characters in the videogames I play or the science fiction stories I read, it doesn't signify I think they are real.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 6:03pm On May 22
LordReed:


What is a miracle, can you give a definition so we can examine your claim?
An extraordinary event with welcome consequences triggered by prayer, worship, praises, or some other religious activity.



I also think a lot about the characters in the videogames I play or the science fiction stories I read, it doesn't signify I think they are real.
Classical atheist response. But patently false.
Are you honestly going to say you expend intellectual power on videogame characters. Haba.

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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 6:11pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
An extraordinary event with welcome consequences triggered by prayer, worship, praises, or some other religious activity.

Define extraordinary event and give examples.



Classical atheist response. But patently false.
Are you honestly going to say you expend intellectual power on videogame characters. Haba.

Indeed I do. Look up the damage calculation for Atlas Prime's landslide ability. Also look up the Lord of the Rings as metaphor or the philosophy of the Matrix movies.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 6:20pm On May 22
LordReed:


Define extraordinary event and give examples.
Something beyond the ordinary. An example will be the changing of SS genotype to AA after a simple prayer.

Another example will be the the instant healing of a paralysed man after the laying on of hands.




Indeed I do. Look up the damage calculation for Atlas Prime's landslide ability. Also look up the Lord of the Rings as metaphor or the philosophy of the Matrix movies.
The number of threads you've created about God and religion compared to the number of threads you've created about those characters tell me otherwise.

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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 6:24pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
Something beyond the ordinary. An example will be the changing of SS genotype to AA after a simple prayer.

Another example will be the the instant healing of a paralysed man after the laying on of hands.

So if any of these things happen without prayer or any religious activity is it still a miracle?




The number of threads you've created about God and religion compared to the number of threads you've created about those characters tell me otherwise.

Because Nairaland is the only place people discuss topics of interest?
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 6:30pm On May 22
LordReed:


So if any of these things happen without prayer or any religious activity is it still a miracle?
Yes





Because Nairaland is the only place people discuss topics of interest?
For you, most probably.

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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 6:36pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
Yes

If miracles can occur without prayer or any religious activity then why did you define miracle as An extraordinary event with welcome consequences triggered by prayer, worship, praises, or some other religious activity?





For you, most probably.

Because you know me? Stop kidding yourself.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 6:40pm On May 22
LordReed:


If miracles can occur without prayer or any religious activity then why did you define miracle as An extraordinary event with welcome consequences triggered by prayer, worship, praises, or some other religious activity?






Because you know me? Stop kidding yourself.
If its not triggered by prayer it does not make it less of a miracle.


I know your kind.

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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 6:49pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
If its not triggered by prayer it does not make it less of a miracle.

You didn't answer the question, why did you define miracle as something brought about by prayer and other religious activity if that is the case?


I know your kind.

Just like I know you are not exposed and are closed minded. You probably live in some backwater town where people think toilets with running water is heaven.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 7:17pm On May 22
LordReed:


You didn't answer the question, why did you define miracle as something brought about by prayer and other religious activity if that is the case?
I modify my definition then to include some other factor.



Just like I know you are not exposed and are closed minded. You probably live in some backwater town where people think toilets with running water is heaven.
As usual.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 7:19pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
I modify my definition then to include some other factor.

So define miracle.



As usual.

Don't start what you can't finish.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 7:29pm On May 22
LordReed:


So define miracle.
An extraordinary occurrence with with welcome consequences.




Don't start what you can't finish.
undecided

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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 7:36pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
An extraordinary occurrence with with welcome consequences.




undecided

So since these things can happen without any religious act, how do we determine god is the cause?
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by ThothHermes: 7:54pm On May 22
LordReed:


So since these things can happen without any religious act, how do we determine god is the cause?
Because He gave conditons under which miracles MUST occur.

...And these signs shall follow them that believe, AMONG OTHER conditions.

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Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by Exmilitant(m): 7:57pm On May 22
LordReed:


So how do you know your intelligent designer can do it?
you won't lead me by the ropes, get at your meaning.
Re: Comparing The Deaths Of Ravi Zacharias And Muhammad by LordReed(m): 8:01pm On May 22
ThothHermes:
Because He gave conditons under which miracles MUST occur.

...And these signs shall follow them that believe, AMONG OTHER conditions.

But you just said they can occur without any religious act, you are now going back to religious acts. Can you choose which it is and stick with it?

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