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History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by naijatvnet(m): 10:48pm On May 25, 2020
HISTORY OF IKWERRE, EKPEYE, OGBA PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE
BY Prof. ERIC AMADI

Published by: @naijatvnet, Naijatv.net

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Professor ERIC C. AMADI is an astute Professor in the Rivers State University , Port Harcourt, Nigeria. He holds B.A Ed(Uniport) B.Ed Hons. Unical; M.Ed(Uniport) and P.hD in Educatioal Management and Planning(Uniport). His research area hinges on inclusive education that would lead to development. Currently, he is in the Department of Educational Management, Rivers State University, Port Harcourt Nigeria in Africa
Current institution: Rivers State University
Current position: Former Head Of Department Educational Foundations Senior Lecturer/World Researcherormer.
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Majority of the Ikwerre settlements have their roots traceable from the old Benin Empire.” Iwhnurọhna people descended from the ancient Bini Kingdom.
The name of the grand ancestor is Akalaka. Their relations in Rivers State are Ekpeye and Ogba people.
The reigning Oba of Benin when Akalaka, the ancestor of Ihruọha (later called Iwhnurọhna) fled was Oba Ewuare (Ogwaro).
Akalaka, a member of the Benin royal family, fled in the 13th century on allegation of plotting assassination of the Oba.
He died in 1462.
Iwhnurọhna his third son settled east of the Sombrero River by 1538 AD, as detailed below.
Chief N.M.T. Solomon (2004), native of Ikodu Ubie in Ekpeyeland, in his narrative draws heavily from the now authenticated written historical records delivered by various informed sources including “Eketu (Weber) of Ubeta, assumed to have lived for over two hundred (200) years as the oldest man in all Ekpeye, Ogba and Iwhnurọ hna (or Ikwerre), at that time (and) was asked to narrate the history and customs of Ekpeye people” as unfolded in his lifetime. Here is what he said, which has been validated by the accounts of the current generation through responses to our questionnaires and direct interviews thereby increasing our level of confidence on the data: Ekpeye, born in Benin, was the first of the three sons of Akalaka. While in Ndoni, he married a second wife to gain the love and favour of the people.
The new wife gave birth to a son, which he named Ogba. Akalaka was still in Ndoni when his first wife, the mother of Ekpeye, gave birth to his third son called Ihruoha (Ikwerre). Similar historical fact by J.N. Olise (1971) averred that: “Akalaka, a member of the Benin royal family, fled with his wife from Benin to Ndoni, a community located close to the River Niger, to save the life of his new born baby (Ekpeye) …

While at Ndoni, Akalaka took a second wife. … Akalaka had two sons, Ekpeye – born to him by his Benin wife, and Ogba – born to him by his Ndoni wife. According to F.E. Otuwarikpo (1994): ” After the death of Akalaka in 1462 AD, his two sons, Ekpeye and Ogba had conflict, which compelled Ogba, the younger son, to move northwards where he founded Ohiakwo (Obigwe) and settled with his family. Ekpeye who remained at Ula-Ubie had seven sons – Ubie, Akoh, Upata, Igbuduya, Ekpe, Awala and Asa.
The last three sons – Ekpe, Awala and Asa crossed to the other side of Sombreiro River (present day Ikwerreland and settled there since 1538 AD.” He added that: “Ekpe migrated to present day Rumuekpe and spread through Elele (Alimini), Ndele, Rumuji and part of Ibaa. Awala migrated to present day Isiokpo …” Amadi-Nna (1993) also said Akalaka migrated with his half brother called Ochichi from the area of Benin Empire.
Ochichi sons were Ele (Omerele, now Elele), Elu (Elumuoha, now Omerelu), Egbe (Egbeda) and Mini (Alimini, Isiokpo). The crucial point here, which is of great importance in tracing the joint origin of the ancestors of the Old Ahoada Division (in the Governor Diete-Spiff administration), is the mention of the number of children that Akalaka had, namely: Ekpeye, Ogba and Ihru ọ ha (Ikwerre). It is noteworthy that the pedigree and name of Ikwerre people, Iwhnurọhna, obviously took its root from this original name – Ihruọha. Chief Solomon therefore establishes a very vital historical link, which has been missing in literature on Ikwerre origin that would assume more significance in the discourses of Ikwerre genealogy in the future – the fact that Akalaka was the direct father of Ihru ọha (Ikwerre). Iwhnurọhna, in Ikwere parlance, means the face of the community (town, city or village). Nigerian colonial history records that the name “Ikwerre” was given by the colonial administration when they wanted to acquire the Rebisi waterfront to build the wharf. Using an Ibo interpreter to talk to the illiterate Rebisi (Port Harcourt) chiefs, they asked them: Would you permit us to use the waterfront to build the wharf for ships to berth?
And they answered: A KWERULEM , meaning – “We have agreed.”

What the white-man was hearing was “Ikwerre,” so he recorded it in the official gazette that the IKWERRE PEOPLE have agreed for the colonial administration to build the wharf. And since it was the official record of government, the name Ikwerre became the name of the Iwhnurohna people in all official documentations till date.
Similar cases of Anglicization of native names in the NigerDelta region by the colonial administration are Benin for Bini, Okrika for Wakrike, Degema for Udekema, Abonnema for Obonoma, Brass for Gbara sni, Bonny for Ibani, Pepple for Perekule, Ahoada for Ehuda, etc Even so, “… there were dissenting voices, … who believed that Ikwerre origins lay outside Igbo land, … in the Benin Kingdom of old.
It is, therefore, obvious that the interminable debate about Ikwerre origins and migrations including the repudiation of the Igbo tradition is not a phenomenon of the post-civil war period. The controversy, as it were, is not necessarily the product of the present political realities wherein groups which hitherto were seen to have cultural affinities now find themselves in different states or administrative systems.” — K.O. Amadi (1993)

The Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention, a cultural organization of Ikwerre people, in a paper presented to the Human Right Violation Commission headed by Rtd. Justice Chukwudifu
Oputa on 10 October 2001, said: “Ikwerre ethnic nationality is not and has never been a sub-group of any other tribe in Nigeria including Ndi-Igbo. There is no doubt that the advent of the British and later regionalization put Ndi-Igbo at the helm of affairs in Eastern Nigeria. This brought Ndi-Igbo into Ikwerre land. In course of time, the Igbo took advantage of their position in the then Eastern Regional Government to grab land in Ikwerre and occupy political positions such as the mayor of Port Harcourt. In the process, Ikwerre along with other minority groups were marginalized and driven to the
background.” Professor Godwin Tasie noted that in 1913 the Rt Rev Herbert Tugwell, the Anglican Bishop on the Niger, undertook an experimentation tour of Ikwerre towns and villages assumed to be Ibo-speaking to test the Union Ibo Bible Nso being introduced in Iboland. “Tugwell discovered from the tests he carried out that although the Ikwerre were often regarded as Ibo… the Union Ibo Bible translation, surprisingly, was not easily understood by the Ikwere.” This is obviously why Igbo vernacular was compulsorily introduced and taught in all schools in Ikwerre land before the Nigerian Civil War to the assimilation (i.e. destruction) of the Ikwere language.
This also obviously led to the Rumuomasi Declaration in 1965. ” … in their meeting at Rumuomasi in 1965 the Ikwerre had, under the umbrella of a highly promising new
body that was to get the Ikwerre together as a people of new and clearer vision, they had declared themselves as a people of the distinct identity of Ikwerre Ethnic Nationality – not Ibo, not Ijo, not anything else but Ikwerre, Iwhnurọhna.
This was the historic Rumuomasi Declaration of 1965 (G.O.M. Tasie, 2000).
The full implication is that Ikwere people began to assert themselves forcefully as an ethnic nationality of their own and not Ibos or Ijos, and efforts were made to revert to the original Ikwere names for families, villages, communities and landmarks.
For instance, there was the change from Umuola to Rumuola, Umuoro to Rumuoro , Umukrushi to Rumuokwurusi , just to name a few.


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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by chatinent: 11:11pm On May 25, 2020
I read Ikwerre people were cowardly people for having betrayed Igbos by denying them.
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by naijatvnet(m): 11:14pm On May 25, 2020
chatinent:
I read Ikwerre people were cowardly people for having betrayed Igbos by denying them.

Betrayed Igbos how? Can you elaborate this?
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by RedboneSmith(m): 3:12pm On May 26, 2020
I'd really be interested in seeing something written about the origin of the Ikwerres before 1970 or so.

I recently saw something written in the 1940s by an Ogba man and it turns out he didn't even say that Akalaka (Krakra) came from Benin. He mentioned somewhere unidentified called Ogbo. shocked People have been rewriting history to align with current interests.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Ekwutox: 3:59pm On May 26, 2020
Ironically if this Eric Amadi were to commit a heinous crime and it shows on front page, nobody and i mean nobody would call out bini people but would blame igbos for his crime.

Let them make more efforts in changing their Igbo like names to bini names.

E.g since Nwike is now wike

Ụmụ is now rumu

Obigbo is now oyigbo

Then Amadi should be the ramadi, ramad or even ramadion let it sound more bini like.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by naijatvnet(m): 7:28pm On May 26, 2020
Ekwutox:
Ironically if this Eric Amadi were to commit a heinous crime and it shows on front page, nobody and i mean nobody would call out bini people but would blame igbos for his crime.

Let them make more efforts in changing their Igbo like names to bini names.

E.g since Nwike is now wike

Ụmụ is now rumu

Obigbo is now oyigbo

Then Amadi should be the ramadi, ramad or even ramadion let it sound more bini like.


You cannot tell a grown up man to accept he came from where he said he didn't come from. Fact

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Ekwutox: 8:35pm On May 26, 2020
naijatvnet:



You cannot tell a grown up man to accept he came from where he said he didn't come from. Fact

No body is dragging where you came from with you but don't share the same name and language with an ethnic group that you are not part of.

That's my own.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by samuk: 8:46pm On May 26, 2020
Ekwutox:
Ironically if this Eric Amadi were to commit a heinous crime and it shows on front page, nobody and i mean nobody would call out bini people but would blame igbos for his crime.

Let them make more efforts in changing their Igbo like names to bini names.

E.g since Nwike is now wike

Ụmụ is now rumu

Obigbo is now oyigbo

Then Amadi should be the ramadi, ramad or even ramadion let it sound more bini like.

Benin also bears Amadi and Okoro
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by naijatvnet(m): 8:59pm On May 26, 2020
Ekwutox:


No body is dragging where you came from with you but don't share the same name and language with an ethnic group that you are not part of.

That's my own.

Anyone can bear any name they wish to, it is a personal experience. I believe their contact and trade relations with the igbos during the time in discuss would have influenced the language and names of the Ikwerre people hence it's similar igboid status
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Nobody: 9:02am On May 27, 2020
Ekwutox:


No body is dragging where you came from with you but don't share the same name and language with an ethnic group that you are not part of.

That's my own.
what if the names originally belongs to them, and it's just d other way round
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by RedboneSmith(m): 10:11am On May 27, 2020
Emmydann:
what if the names originally belongs to them, and it's just d other way round


They cannot claim to come from Benin and at the same time own those names. Those names are not Benin names.

It's either they came from Benin and then dropped their Benin names and culture and picked up Igbo ones. Or they are originally of Igbo stock, but decided it was in their best interest to cut ties with their Igbo 'relatives' and cultivate ties with Benin. It's either one or the other. Can't eat your cake and have it.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by naijatvnet(m): 12:05pm On May 27, 2020
RedboneSmith:



They cannot claim to come from Benin and at the same time own those names. Those names are not Benin names.

It's either they came from Benin and then dropped their Benin names and culture and picked up Igbo ones. Or they are originally of Igbo stock, but decided it was in their best interest to cut ties with their Igbo 'relatives' and cultivate ties with Benin. It's either one or the other. Can't eat your cake and have it.

Can you remember the British assimilation and association theory during the colonial rule? Well you may note that in the old Eastern Nigeria, the Igbos and Ikwerres were in the same region and had close trade and social relationship which I think would have caused the adopting of Igbo names by most Ikwerre and Ekpeye people. But truth is that a grown up man decides his origin and not the other way round

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by RedboneSmith(m): 12:14pm On May 27, 2020
naijatvnet:


Can you remember the British assimilation and association theory during the colonial rule? Well you may note that in the old Eastern Nigeria, the Igbos and Ikwerres were in the same region and had close trade and social relationship which I think would have caused the adopting of Igbo names by most Ikwerre and Ekpeye people. But truth is that a grown up man decides his origin and not the other way round

I'm not interested in the decision they make. Good for them, really.

I only wanted to respond to the assession that the name and culture borrowing could have gone the other way, that is from Ikwerre to Igbo. It's not a logical assession.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by RedboneSmith(m): 12:17pm On May 27, 2020
naijatvnet:


Can you remember the British assimilation and association theory during the colonial rule? Well you may note that in the old Eastern Nigeria, the Igbos and Ikwerres were in the same region and had close trade and social relationship which I think would have caused the adopting of Igbo names by most Ikwerre and Ekpeye people. But truth is that a grown up man decides his origin and not the other way round

By the way, the theory that it was under Colonial Rule that the Igboid elements crept into Ikwerreland also doesn't hold water. However the Igbonization happened (that is, if there was Igbonization to start with sef and the people weren't always of Igboid stock) it predated the colonial period.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Ekwutox: 2:14pm On May 27, 2020
Emmydann:
what if the names originally belongs to them, and it's just d other way round

The name cannot originally belong to them. The ikwerre people are just a tribe that pulled out of the larger Igbo nation, there are so many tribes in the Igbo nation that bear Amadi especially in Imo State.

Besides they claim they were colonized by igbos as a result bearing their names, so they are just language thiefs.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Nobody: 2:46pm On May 27, 2020
RedboneSmith:



They cannot claim to come from Benin and at the same time own those names. Those names are not Benin names.

It's either they came from Benin and then dropped their Benin names and culture and picked up Igbo ones. Or they are originally of Igbo stock, but decided it was in their best interest to cut ties with their Igbo 'relatives' and cultivate ties with Benin. It's either one or the other. Can't eat your cake and have it.
So what's d bone of contention here They are not IBO they said....u can't force it on dem
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by RedboneSmith(m): 4:06pm On May 27, 2020
Emmydann:
So what's d bone of contention here They are not IBO they said....u can't force it on dem

*sigh*

You made a suggestion that maybe the Igbo learnt their names from Ikwerre. I replied that that is illogical, since according to their claim they came from Benin. You cannot be from Benin and claim that you gave Adaeze and Ihuoma to Igbo people. The only names Bini descendants could have given Igbo people was Odion and Nosakhare. So, it must be the other way around, that is, Ikwerre taking up Igbo names.

You turn around to tell me about forcing them to be "IBO"? Where in my comment did I suggest I was forcing any identity on anybody?

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by IDENNAA(m): 5:35pm On May 27, 2020
Emmydann:
So what's d bone of contention here They are not IBO they said....u can't force it on dem

Nobody is forcing any Igbo identity of Ikwerre. However, Ikwerre were the ones that claimed that they were originally from Bini and are actually Bini people and not the obvious Igboid everyone sees them as. The problem, however, arises when there is not a single tradition or culture that links you to Bini...nada! Lmao! Its actually embarrassing, even for the people whom you want to belong to, the Bini. They see that you are apparently Igbo and Igbo all through! Again , we are no forcing Igbo on you but neither can you stop us from writing aggressively to bring your low self esteem to the fore.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by naijatvnet(m): 1:06pm On May 30, 2020
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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by AreaFada2: 9:23am On May 31, 2020
samuk:


Benin also bears Amadi and Okoro
Okoro in Benin even means boy but most commonly used as Prince. Son of the Oba.

Okoro N'okhua is crown prince. Before he is invested as Edaiken.

Amadi is a common name. Both are still regular surnames in Benin.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Nobody: 10:02am On May 31, 2020
naijatvnet:


Anyone can bear any name they wish to, it is a personal experience. I believe their contact and trade relations with the igbos during the time in discuss would have influenced the language and names of the Ikwerre people hence it's similar igboid status

Okay, but what puzzles me is, if they said Benin was their own ancestral land, they should begin to assimilate with their ancestral lands.

For example, the Illorin or Kwara people of Yoruba, had long been with the Fulani and even began to assimilate their culture, but still held Yoruba names, the minute they knew their origins and were definite about them, they began to assimilate to their cultural status.

No body would disturb Ikwere or any other tribe that has the same cultural affinity with Igbo's if they weren't acting like their kin.

Are the Igbo's saying Edo or Ijaw, or Isoko, or any other tribe is Igbo.

Even though Ibibios, and Efik are more in closer ties with the Igbo's we respect them for their identity and we don't call them Igbo's, or forcefully tell them you're Igbo's.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by AreaFada2: 12:02pm On May 31, 2020
Eberejesus111:


Okay, but what puzzles me is, if they said Benin was their own ancestral land, they should begin to assimilate with their ancestral lands.

For example, the Illorin or Kwara people of Yoruba, had long been with the Fulani and even began to assimilate their culture, but still held Yoruba names, the minute they knew their origins and were definite about them, they began to assimilate to their cultural status.

No body would disturb Ikwere or any other tribe that has the same cultural affinity with Igbo's if they weren't acting like their kin.

Are the Igbo's saying Edo or Ijaw, or Isoko, or any other tribe is Igbo.

Even though Ibibios, and Efik are more in closer ties with the Igbo's we respect them for their identity and we don't call them Igbo's, or forcefully tell them you're Igbo's.
Remember that Ikwerre have no contiguity with Edo or Benin land. When you are totally cut off from original cultural home and other cultures super imposed, it's easy to asssume an almost different Identity. Not to mention mixing with a large Igbo people.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by RedboneSmith(m): 12:12pm On May 31, 2020
AreaFada2:

Remember that Ikwerre have no contiguity with Edo or Benin land. When you are totally cut off from original cultural home and other cultures super imposed, it's easy assume an almost different Identity. Not to mention mixing with a large Igbo people.


Let's also keep in mind that in that same Rivers State, with no contiguity with Edo-speaking lands, are three tiny groups that have maintained their Edoid languages: Degema, Epie and Engenni. Three very tiny groups. They have kept their Edoid languages.

Yet a relatively large group like Ikwerre, larger by far than all three groups combined, succumbed to this "Igbo onslaught" that we don't even have historical evidence for.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by IDENNAA(m): 1:37pm On May 31, 2020
AreaFada2:

Okoro in Benin even means boy but most commonly used as Prince. Son of the Oba.

Okoro N'okhua is crown prince. Before he is invested as Edaiken.

Amadi is a common name. Both are still regular surnames in Benin.

Well, it didn't just stopped there. Ikwerre is undeniably very Igboid. They can claim whatever ancestry that suits them but that Bini story is very sad. I have no doubt that Ikwerre's are relatives to the Igbo north of them , who broke off and morphed into a unique society. All these other ones wey dem dey yarn na dust
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Nobody: 3:13pm On May 31, 2020
AreaFada2:

Remember that Ikwerre have no contiguity with Edo or Benin land. When you are totally cut off from original cultural home and other cultures super imposed, it's easy assume an almost different Identity. Not to mention mixing with a large Igbo people.


So in essence what you're trying to say boss, is Ikwerre are from Benin but assimilated to the Igbo group and now want to go back to Benin.
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by AreaFada2: 5:24pm On May 31, 2020
RedboneSmith:


Let's also keep in mind that in that same Rivers State, with no contiguity with Edo-speaking lands, are three tiny groups that have maintained their Edoid languages: Degema, Epie and Engenni. Three very tiny groups. They have kept their Edoid languages.

Yet a relatively large group like Ikwerre, larger by far than all three groups combined, succumbed to this "Igbo onslaught" that we don't even have historical evidence for.
Well, maybe what made Ikwerre relatively large is mixing with a large Igbo ethnic group. Perhaps whereas Degema and others may have lived more remotely and were able to preserve their Edoid features more easily.
In the same way Yoruba today deny that Edo people ever lived in decent numbers in Lagos and Eastern Yorubaland.

As we know the large Yoruboid culture easily swallowed Edo culture in Yorubaaland. If not for Lagos Royal family and Lagos aristocracy like Obanikoro, Eletu Odibo and others who managed to keep their Edo awareness, they would have said Edo or Benin never ventured into Yorubaaland. Some still say anyway.

Oba of Lagos has still incurred the wrath of Yoruba people by openly flaunting his Benin origin.

Even in Warri here, it's the monarchy and aristocracy that kept Benin links alive.

Yet, monarchy and aristocracy do not move to another place without hundreds of people following them either concomitantly or subsequently.

What Igbo and Yoruba have in common is size. Ability to assimilate smaller groups almost beyond recognition.

In Colonial and post colonial era it became easier to tag along bigger tribes for political relevance. Considering that Benin and the British had an easy relationship that marginalised Benin greatly. Benin suffered marginalisation from 1897. Igbo from 1967-1970.

If not for Biafra war, many Ikwerre would probably have preferred keeping the Edo links under wraps.

At the end only the Ikwerre can determine where they want to belong.
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by AreaFada2: 6:02pm On May 31, 2020
Eberejesus111:


So in essence what you're trying to say boss, is Ikwerre are from Benin but assimilated to the Igbo group and now want to go back to Benin.
I believe a significant number of Ikwerre are Benin. Obviously due to location over the centuries they have mixed with a large number of Igbo.
From what we read and hear mostly, I believe Ikwerre want to be seen as now having a distinct identity. Not go back to or move to anywhere.

From what we read it's some Igbo people who swear at others and disparage those that disagree with the identity they want to give others.

Looking from outside, I believe Ikwerre see themselves as having a distinct identity now.

The English migrated from Germany and Denmark largely. They acknowledge this. But they have not said they are moving back to Germany and Denmark.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Nobody: 10:26pm On May 31, 2020
AreaFada2:

I believe a significant number of Ikwerre are Benin. Obviously due to location over the centuries they have mixed with a large number of Igbo.
From what we read and hear mostly, I believe Ikwerre want to be seen as now having a distinct identity. Not go back to or move to anywhere.

From what we read it's some Igbo people who swear at others and disparage those that disagree with the identity they want to give others.

Looking from outside, I believe Ikwerre see themselves as having a distinct identity now.

The English migrated from Germany and Denmark largely. They acknowledge this. But they have not said they are moving back to Germany and Denmark.

Good so not to cause confusion, then they should begin a cultural reformation. Like the name change and all more vigorously. Rather than sharing language affinities with similar counterparts.

As you said the English came out from Germany and Denmark, but you don't see them calling themselves Malsrov, Naim, or Olia...and their cultures have been so differentiated that you can see the difference. I believe this is what the Igbos are trying to pass across.
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by AreaFada2: 1:52am On Jun 01, 2020
Eberejesus111:


Good so not to cause confusion, then they should begin a cultural reformation. Like the name change and all more vigorously. Rather than sharing language affinities with similar counterparts.

As you said the English came out from Germany and Denmark, but you don't see them calling themselves Malsrov, Naim, or Olia...and their cultures have been so differentiated that you can see the difference. I believe this is what the Igbos are trying to pass across.

Well, I do not think it's Igbo or Benin who have to pass anything across to Ikwerre as to how to structure anything. Be it culture or language or anything.
Obviously their current and still evolving (like every other) culture happened by virtue of what fate gave them. In terms of ethnic mixes and where they found themselves.

As for Germany and England only novices won't know their cultural and linguistic affinities. Reformation began in Germany and England became the biggest protestant/Anglican nation.

Check out English/German names:

Gerald/Gerhard
Ana/Anja
Bernard/Bernd
Judith/Jutta
Charles/Karl or Carl
George/Georg or Joerg or Juergen
William/Wilhelm
Roger/Ruediger.

And many more.

I deliberately avoid most Biblical names to reduce influence of religion on their uniformity/similarity across languages.

I have never heard the Germans instructing the English to remove German origin names from their language. grin cheesy

Especially now that the British voted to leave Europe in Brexit vote. cheesy grin
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by samuk: 10:53am On Jun 01, 2020
Eberejesus111:


Good so not to cause confusion, then they should begin a cultural reformation. Like the name change and all more vigorously. Rather than sharing language affinities with similar counterparts.

As you said the English came out from Germany and Denmark, but you don't see them calling themselves Malsrov, Naim, or Olia...and their cultures have been so differentiated that you can see the difference. I believe this is what the Igbos are trying to pass across.

Why do the Igbos always get offended when Anioma and Ikwerre say they are not Igbo, don't Igbo have enough numbers already that they want to forcibly swallow up others around them.

Population doesn't necessarily leads to greatness, Israel is highly regarded and influential in the world today not because of their landmass or population size.

The Fulani that are probably the most influential ethnic group in Nigeria today are a fraction of Igbo in population. Rather than forcing igboness and insulting those that don't want to be identified as Igbo, you guys should be making more effort to advance to a position that people would want to force themselves to be Igbo. You can't just wish and pronounce Igboness on people, they have to be comfortable with it.

Why do the Igbos think that most Anioma and Ikwerre will rather identify with Benin ancestry rather than Igbo, what is so special about Benin that Anioma and Ikwerre people would want to deny their Igbo ancestry if they were Igbo to begin with.

Igbo is an umbrella body created to unite formerly independent tribes due to similarities in culture, language and closeness of common boundaries. Those independent tribes have to be comfortable enough to buy into the project.

Unfortunately, the Nigeria civil war and seperation of south south from east did enormous damage to the Igbo project before it could take concrete root, the Yoruba umbrella project was more successful because they became the part of Nigeria that triumphed over Biafra.

The Nigeria civil war took off the shine and prestige of wanting to be Igbo, why would anyone want to be part of defeated Igbo nation when they can be independent.

The incentive is no longer there. The Anioma and Ikwerre people don't have to be part of a larger Igbo nation to advance themselves politically, socially and economically.

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Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Nobody: 11:00pm On Jun 01, 2020
samuk:


Why do the Igbos always get offended when Anioma and Ikwerre say they are not Igbo, don't Igbo have enough numbers already that they want to forcibly swallow up others around them.

Population doesn't necessarily leads to greatness, Israel is highly regarded and influential in the world today not because of their landmass or population size.

The Fulani that are probably the most influential ethnic group in Nigeria today are a fraction of Igbo in population. Rather than forcing igboness and insulting those that don't want to be identified as Igbo, you guys should be making more effort to advance to a position that people would want to force themselves to be Igbo. You can't just wish and pronounce Igboness on people, they have to be comfortable with it.

Why do the Igbos think that most Anioma and Ikwerre will rather identify with Benin ancestry rather than Igbo, what is so special about Benin that Anioma and Ikwerre people would want to deny their Igbo ancestry if they were Igbo to begin with.

Igbo is an umbrella body created to unite formerly independent tribes due to similarities in culture, language and closeness of common boundaries. Those independent tribes have to be comfortable enough to buy into the project.

Unfortunately, the Nigeria civil war and seperation of south south from east did enormous damage to the Igbo project before it could take concrete root, the Yoruba umbrella project was more successful because they became the part of Nigeria that triumphed over Biafra.

The Nigeria civil war took off the shine and prestige of wanting to be Igbo, why would anyone want to be part of defeated Igbo nation when they can be independent.

The incentive is no longer there. The Anioma and Ikwerre people don't have to be part of a larger Igbo nation to advance themselves politically, socially and economically.

Okay, good analysis, one thing you have to know is no one is forcing this tribes or Igbos arent even being annoyed as you said, when they say they are not Igbos.

As I said, I liked your point when you said that the Igbos should place themselves for worldwide recognition. Don't worry is already here. Let me end it like that.
Re: History Of Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba People In Rivers State By Prof. Eric Amadi by Omahjasper(m): 7:43pm On Aug 15, 2022
naijatvnet:



You cannot tell a grown up man to accept he came from where he said he didn't come from. Fact
you can't tell the day you where born except your mother tells u, and u cannot tell the name of ur great-grandfathers father except you where told, so trace ur originality According to ur behavior, ur name, culture and other way of life � and not in times of of allowing brainwashed politician drag you to unknown and unrelated destination like Amadi or ramadi, remedy.
So some one from 70's cannot tell you the origin of ikwerre except he is not political brainwashed like some others, Benin or no Benin Igbo bu Igbo....

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